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  • I rather have no grind

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    except for the skyscale they did it right to a point, they needs to ether change or remove the facet from the griffon but other then that it's fine.
    the skyscale simply needs to change completely, for what we need to do just to get trough the first part i expect it to actually fly without restrictions.

    the truth is harsh, my opinions are too.

  • Tere.4759Tere.4759 Member ✭✭✭

    I did the Griffon mount and it wasn't bad at all. Now the skyscale is awful but the griffon was easy, pricey but easy.

  • The XP grind on the underwater skimmer (latest example) was a mere 500,000 ish.
    If that's a grind, you're doing it wrong. Took me less than an hour gameplay.

    What is really out of wack is WHERE you get the most XP from.
    You're doing events to get XP with boosters and whatnot? I'll pass you quickly.
    Adventures!
    Supply runs for example. Get gold (takes what, 2 to 5 minutes depending) gives you close to 100k xp.
    Do 5, maybe 6, be done in under an hour.

    It simply shows that events are not rewarded properly.

  • Parasite.5389Parasite.5389 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tuna Bandit.3786 said:
    The XP grind on the underwater skimmer (latest example) was a mere 500,000 ish.

    you're a fair bit off with that figure, it was 2,000,000xp

  • Atomos.7593Atomos.7593 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 9, 2020

    @KAipurge.2147 said:
    I guarantee the next expansion will have a new mount that makes all those other listed ones that you spent all your time grinding for obsolete.

    Just noticed this part. I'm not entirely certain that the next expansion will have new mounts since we already have most of the different "types" of mounts such as flying, land and underwater now. If there is a new collection I'm not thinking that it will necessarily be a boring grind full of fetch quests. The collections like the griffon and skyscale might have been made by different teams. I think the underwater skimmer collection got the balance more right between story, fetch quests and event participation. For that reason, I won't say that future collections will necessarily be a fetch quest grind since if this team is different they seem to have found the balance better.

  • Roller beetle is obscenely easy. Skyscale and Griffon are... not easy.

  • artharon.9276artharon.9276 Member ✭✭
    edited September 9, 2020

    I find both grinding for skimmer's ability and gold for griffon disrespectful for the time I put into this game. but like you guys mention, doable. skyscale on the other hand not just grindy but also tied to a very nice story. only problem is time gated materials and insane amount of map currency grinding. some stuff like jumping puzzles is also exaggerated and unnecessary. It's so gosh darn repetitive I failed following the story.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @artharon.9276 said:
    I find both grinding for skimmer's ability and gold for griffon disrespectful for the time I put into this game. but like you guys mention, doable. skyscale on the other hand not just grindy but also tied to a very nice story. only problem is time gated materials and insane amount of map currency grinding. some stuff like jumping puzzles is also exaggerated and unnecessary. It's so gosh darn repetitive I failed following the story.

    You could buy skips for the JPs, which I did. Making the special food to end the task instantly. And we have ways of buying the older currencies now. In particular with eternal ice. Its far easier than you folks are making it out to be. And you can buy x5 of each in dragonfall. And if you have all the nodes, its also a lot free currency daily for looting your own home. So no, absolutely nearly no grind is needed if you have patience.. And eternal ice is super easy to get in huge amounts. And you dont need the skyscale, like the griffon, its a luxury/dedication mount. Not something you need right here.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @KAipurge.2147 said:
    The world trek-ing the figure out where the clues lead was enough but tacking the extra XP requirement after all of that is just too much.

    My first impulse was also, "Oh no, that sounds like a lot of grinding." But it quickly changed to, "Hey, it's actually fun to visit those old places, do some content I hadn't touched in years and just enjoy the scenery."

    The XP were quickly acquired, too. I redid Hero Challenges and small events at the Crystal Desert, then hopped to Thunderhead Keep and collected Volatile Magic across the map. Took me merely an evening to finish the new Skimmer mastery.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Anet, this is what happens when you keep on handing out candies

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  • @LucianDK.8615 said:

    @artharon.9276 said:
    I find both grinding for skimmer's ability and gold for griffon disrespectful for the time I put into this game. but like you guys mention, doable. skyscale on the other hand not just grindy but also tied to a very nice story. only problem is time gated materials and insane amount of map currency grinding. some stuff like jumping puzzles is also exaggerated and unnecessary. It's so gosh darn repetitive I failed following the story.

    You could buy skips for the JPs, which I did. Making the special food to end the task instantly. And we have ways of buying the older currencies now. In particular with eternal ice. Its far easier than you folks are making it out to be. And you can buy x5 of each in dragonfall. And if you have all the nodes, its also a lot free currency daily for looting your own home. So no, absolutely nearly no grind is needed if you have patience.. And eternal ice is super easy to get in huge amounts. And you dont need the skyscale, like the griffon, its a luxury/dedication mount. Not something you need right here.

    thanks for the tips, I actually learned the eternal ice and dragonfall vendor tricks halfway through my grind and it was ok. good scientific approach to ease the pain yet I still believe repetitive elements shouldn't be overshadowing the digital bond we make with our growing skyscale. they made something similar when aurene was a baby and you were her caretaker. I see this situation a missed opportunity but I appreciate anet's effort to make skyscales not just mounts but partially our digital children like tamogatchis.

  • Mutisija.5017Mutisija.5017 Member ✭✭✭

    i personally think the work you need to do for the mounts is reasonable.
    sure, there is little grindiness, but it never really goes overboard (except maybe for the money you need for griffon), and is really well within what falls under "just putting effort into getting it". it definitely makes you work for them, but isnt that the point of earning nicer things in game?

    none of the mounts you have to work for are required to play the game. they all are basically nice extra reward for those who do put extra time and effort into the game. they are nice to have, and definitely makes moving around less tedious, but you do not need them. i really cannot think of many ways to reduce the grinding without either basically handing them out for everyone who bothers to click few buttons, or just switching one type of grinding into another type of grinding.

    only part of the collections i find unnecessary is the amount of money you need to pour into griffon. the only reason why i got past that part within reasonable time, is that i happened to get lucky with black lion chest. basically i got some valuable dye i didnt really want, so just i sold it to cover the griffon costs.

  • MokahTGS.7850MokahTGS.7850 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't agree that the griffon or the skyscale is grindy. I am a casual player (1-2 hours a day) and have both the griffon and the skyscale. Playing the game gets you what you need. Granted, starting from scratch would take you longer, but it's not bad. The most annoying parts are the time gate and the 250 map currency requirements. The time gates are basically just annoying and serve no purpose. The currency is to get people playing those maps...good design? No. Hard to do? Also no.

  • Only complaint I have is that the skyscale makes the springer completely obsolete. I really like the mount, but let's be honest here. The skyscale is infinitely better at climbing heights than the springer could ever be. cannonball attack is still good for breakbar damage though.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 9, 2020

    @jiggle puff.9347 said:
    Only complaint I have is that the skyscale makes the springer completely obsolete. I really like the mount, but let's be honest here. The skyscale is infinitely better at climbing heights than the springer could ever be. cannonball attack is still good for breakbar damage though.

    I hear you, the Springer is completely overshadowed now. Only use ive had for it is in those few hearts needing a stomp. Like the garden in sandswept isles.
    And I rarely use raptor or jackal, just too satisfying to use the beetle. And far faster.

  • Adry.7512Adry.7512 Member ✭✭✭

    @KAipurge.2147 said:
    I have been an avid Guild wars player since guild wars 1. Over time the mount unlocking in this game has become worse and worse to the point where even just unlocking the new mastery for one of the oldest mounts in the game has become a grind with the XP requirement. The world trek-ing the figure out where the clues lead was enough but tacking the extra XP requirement after all of that is just too much. I could understand if all the mounts were always of use but so many replace others making them useless that making such a grind for a mount that would be useless after another one releases that does its job better makes no sense to me. There are MMO players from Super grindy MMO's like WoW and BDO even saying that they would rather do crazy grindy things in those games than deal with the way guild wars 2 handles mount grinding.

    And I know what people will say to this already. They will make the same tired excuses for why Anet decided to handle mount unlocks such as Griffon, Rollerbeetle, SKyscale, and even the new MASTERY(which isn't even a new mount)for the skimmer. I guarantee the next expansion will have a new mount that makes all those other listed ones that you spent all your time grinding for obsolete.

    and then there are those that have them saying that you don't need them whilst they fly away leaving you behind in map runs because the Original 4 mounts cant keep up with the newer ones thus the game tries to force you into participating in the long boring several day time gated rng based grind for the newer mounts.

    I respectfully disagree.

  • Just going to pitch in here. As some said, revisiting some of the pof maps is actually pretty fun. I did some hearts which I never bothered with, not only did I get xp but some new mini's as well and getting some pof masteries and achievements. The key for the skimmer new ability is whacking out some buffs, like guild hall exp buff, food, utilities, banners. Heck, even use that 20% exp enrichment, to really maximize it. Then pick whichever map you want to spend time one, to really speed up on getting exp, dragon fall map is a very good one, constant events going.

  • Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What mount grind?

  • castlemanic.3198castlemanic.3198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I remember speeding through the skyscale collection to make sure I was caught up with everyone doing all the world bosses and such (I'm really glad they reduced the daily reset thing on most achievements). same with the roller beetle, I knew it was gonna get harder to accomplish if I didn't speed through it on the day of release. The griffon caught me by surprise because i heard about the griffon before i even finished PoF's main story, the people who run the monthlies on these collections are absolute saints. And hopefully as more people join the game, these somewhat tedious collections will become easier for people to finish without much hassle.

    Really though, the worst part of getting the mounts is trying to find groups for all the champions you need to beat. I don't think that's 'grind' per se, but it is something of a gate, especially for people who can't play at any time of day and are restricted because of their work hours etc. (that's why the skyscale food thing is a godsend)

    All in all, i don't think they're difficult or grindy, but it can be a lengthy process. Oh except for the goldsink for griffon and the 250 mats for the skyscale, THOSE are grinds and not fun.

    Whataboutism is disingenuous at best. If you join a debate and provide little to no proof when the other side provides lots of evidence, you can't then declare yourself the winner of that debate. I won't engage with bad faith arguments.

  • Taril.8619Taril.8619 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @jiggle puff.9347 said:
    Only complaint I have is that the skyscale makes the springer completely obsolete. I really like the mount, but let's be honest here. The skyscale is infinitely better at climbing heights than the springer could ever be. cannonball attack is still good for breakbar damage though.

    @LucianDK.8615 said:
    I hear you, the Springer is completely overshadowed now. Only use ive had for it is in those few hearts needing a stomp. Like the garden in sandswept isles.
    And I rarely use raptor or jackal, just too satisfying to use the beetle. And far faster.

    Yeah, for the most part, you only need 3 mounts in this game. Skyscale, Griffon and Roller Beetle.

    Skyscale can climb better than Springer (Though, for things designed for the Springer, it can jump up faster than Skyscale can ascend)

    Griffon can traverse maps the best of any mount (Use Skyscale to get high enough to bypass terrain by just flying above it with Griffon)

    Roller Beetle is the fastest for open and relatively flat maps (Though, there are so very few of those outside of Central Tyria, everywhere else is made out of cliffs and rocks...)

    Of course, now Skimmer enters the ring of relevance by being usable underwater, which cannot be bypassed by Skyscale/Griffon like its floating above water ability could (Though, currently, there's little in game that actually makes this particularly relevant. Only a few PoI's and WP's at the bottom of some oceans and lakes...)

    Though, this redundancy is nothing new. We had it with initial mounts, what with Jackal and Raptor sharing the same general use (Jackal is just very slightly faster is all), as well as mounts doing much of what Gliders did too (Mounts prevent death by falling with their extra health bar. Mounts can also give you extra jump distance to make it across gaps. The only thing that Gliders have going for them right now is they can be used while in combat and some HoT/LW3 maps have Updrafts they can use)

    @skarpak.8594 said:
    first off: do daily adventures in their respective region if you are in trouble of exp. i "grinded" the 2 million exp needed for the new skimmer mastery in less then 30 mins by doing the first 7 or 8 adventures in path of fire. bonus points if you got some free exp booster flying arround...100k+ exp per gold reward in adventures.

    You can also do the daily HP's too. The ones in each zone that require you to fight a Veteran reset each day and they give TONS of experience.

    To the point where last character I leveled up to 80, I started doing the HP's at level 70 and had leveled up to 80 before I'd even finished grabbing half of the HP's in PoF...

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  • keenedge.9675keenedge.9675 Member ✭✭✭

    The 'large grind' mounts are meant to be prestige items that people have already earned. Changing that now would be unfair.

    I did ALL of PoF without a griffon, it was still fun. Don't get fixated on the the neighbor's escalade - enjoy YOUR life.

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  • Hesione.9412Hesione.9412 Member ✭✭✭

    @skarpak.8594 said:

    @KAipurge.2147 said:
    I have been an avid Guild wars player since guild wars 1. Over time the mount unlocking in this game has become worse and worse to the point where even just unlocking the new mastery for one of the oldest mounts in the game has become a grind with the XP requirement. The world trek-ing the figure out where the clues lead was enough but tacking the extra XP requirement after all of that is just too much. I could understand if all the mounts were always of use but so many replace others making them useless that making such a grind for a mount that would be useless after another one releases that does its job better makes no sense to me. There are MMO players from Super grindy MMO's like WoW and BDO even saying that they would rather do crazy grindy things in those games than deal with the way guild wars 2 handles mount grinding.

    And I know what people will say to this already. They will make the same tired excuses for why Anet decided to handle mount unlocks such as Griffon, Rollerbeetle, SKyscale, and even the new MASTERY(which isn't even a new mount)for the skimmer. I guarantee the next expansion will have a new mount that makes all those other listed ones that you spent all your time grinding for obsolete.

    and then there are those that have them saying that you don't need them whilst they fly away leaving you behind in map runs because the Original 4 mounts cant keep up with the newer ones thus the game tries to force you into participating in the long boring several day time gated rng based grind for the newer mounts.

    first off: do daily adventures in their respective region if you are in trouble of exp. i "grinded" the 2 million exp needed for the new skimmer mastery in less then 30 mins by doing the first 7 or 8 adventures in path of fire. bonus points if you got some free exp booster flying arround...100k+ exp per gold reward in adventures.

    second: you don't know what grind is. here, i tell you about the BDO mount grind.
    first off, you need search for t5 horses in the openworld which will take a while. you need 2 females and 1 male, as females can breed only once and males can breed twice.
    before breeding, you need to get it to level 30, else the chances to get higher tier horse are like in the 1% region...and arround 27% on level 30. straight leveling to 30 can take 47 hours plus of AFK riding in a town for a single horse.
    now you can breed your horse, if you are lucky, you get 2 t6...if not, do the whole thing again. don't forget you need males and females. now do the whole thing again like a pyramid all the way up to t8. you are looking at arround 750 hours of gameplay already for a single t8 if you aren't lucky and win one in a event or straight up pay to win hundreds of euros so you get one from a box.

    ...now that you have a t8, that doesn't mean it has all the skills. it took me arround 8 horses to get one with sprint, drift, instant accel and s instant accel without any pay to win involved (basically the fastest way to travel for horses, everything else is borderline trash) and that being said, i was extremly lucky with it. learning s instant accel is in the 0,1% chance somewhere as on level up its not guaranteed at all that your horse even learns a skill. i got a horse with 8 skills or so out of 20.

    now if you want to have a dream horse, you need certain skills, so if you don't pay to win this, you are looking at even more hours spend and getting a courser without paytowin is nearly impossible. upgrading that courser then to t9 literally takes millions of silver. i think a single try with a 1% chance at the start is somewhere in the 500.000.000 silver. depending on your gear you are either farming 30.000.000 to 80.000.000 silver per hour.

    usually people try for a awakend courser for 20 tp 40 trys till it pops.

    sure, you can buy one at the marked for 12.000.000.000. have fun straigh up farming at the grindspot of your choice for 150-250 hours straight. thats without being contestet and killed by other players which also want to farm there.
    btw, the quality in horses are insane. you ride with a bad t5 from on side of the map to the other in like 1 hour or so. with a t8 with the mentioned skills it takes like 15 to 20 mins. with a really fast awakend you are even faster.

    so don't even remotly take the word grind again in your mouth in the gw2 context. you get 2 millions exp in less then 30 mins. deal with it.

    Adding to your points by talking about another game.

    I remember grinding rep in WoW - maximum number of ways to get rep each day, diminishing returns from activities as rep level went up combined with even more rep xp needed - (vanilla, BC, WoTLK, Cata), grinding trades, grinding gear.

    GW2 is the opposite of grindy.

  • @skarpak.8594 said:

    -snip-

    so don't even remotly take the word grind again in your mouth in the gw2 context. you get 2 millions exp in less then 30 mins. deal with it.

    Lol hello fellow BDO sufferer - you clearly know what's up. You forgot to mention they're releasing a higher tier of horse beyond the t9 "dream" horse, which I'm not even going to bother looking at until I have about another 200 hours of solid money grinding under my belt there.

    I think the biggest thing GW2 players don't know is how permanent and durable everything you grind in GW2 is. Mastery is account wide, forever. Every new character you make benefits from every single one of your masteries from the moment of creation. Unlocked dyes are yours to use forever, without even consuming a transmutation charge. There is no such thing as an RNG gear drop or gear enhance - every improvement you choose to make is a 100% sure thing, and it remains yours forever until you change your mind. I actually think this is a two-edged sword for ANet; because the game rarely does anything (outside of massive and sometimes unwelcome balance shifts) to invalidate player progress, it's incredibly safe to just walk away from the game for long periods of time. On the other hand, there's no other game I can think of that is as easy to come back to and still enjoy the fruits of everything you've built up over time.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again to anyone who will listen: GW2 is the single most generous player experience out there, for a title of this scale.

    As for the original topic of the thread, I think others have already covered ways to get the 2 million skimmer mastery xp done quickly. I realize raw speed isn't everything for everybody, but the point is there are options out there. Even playing more casually, you can build those points doing a huge variety of tasks in PoF maps, and you can seek out a few of the higher-yield activities if you care to ask or look it up.

  • Atomos.7593Atomos.7593 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LucianDK.8615 said:

    @jiggle puff.9347 said:
    Only complaint I have is that the skyscale makes the springer completely obsolete. I really like the mount, but let's be honest here. The skyscale is infinitely better at climbing heights than the springer could ever be. cannonball attack is still good for breakbar damage though.

    I hear you, the Springer is completely overshadowed now. Only use ive had for it is in those few hearts needing a stomp. Like the garden in sandswept isles.
    And I rarely use raptor or jackal, just too satisfying to use the beetle. And far faster.

    I still use the jackal sometimes for the sand portals. But I can't even remember the last time I used the raptor, after getting the roller beetle. The beetle is just way more fun to me. I think that the raptor's speciality was supposed to be in jumping across chasms, but there are so few of them and you can get past them with a flying mount anyway.

  • I rushed through the Griffon collection and by rushed, I mean rushed. I got the Griffon in less than two days or 48 hours because all the events I needed were available as I checked on them and was able to join in or at least I was able to start them myself. A lot of people helped during events too and there were even people creating squads to gather people for the events.

    I'm currently doing the Raising Skyscales collection and I don't mind the fact that I can't rush through this like I did with the Griffon. I actually enjoy seeing the progress I make every day. The timegate doesn't bother me either since it reminds me that I need to take a break from a video game and focus on something else. Granted I still rush through certain parts of the collection but that doesn't mean I want everything to be rushed. I was so happy to see my Skyscale hatch and I'm currently feeding it and seeing it grow every time I feed it is so cool. It doesn't feel grindy at all even if I'm already farming my currencies because I join meta trains and such. I want to have fun with these collections and the content they put out instead of feeling burnt out over grinding. I'm not gonna go and bring all my level-80 characters to the LS4 maps just to farm the hearts because I don't feel a connection to the Skyscale if I do. I actually haven't played on my other characters because I want my main to finish this collection first. I do understand OP's frustration because I, too, feel frustration sometimes but that's a part of these collections - and life in general.

  • Dante.1508Dante.1508 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 9, 2020

    @Noa.7490 said:
    Some people here seem to forget that not everyone can sink hours upon hours each day. For those people, grinding to get 250 resources can get really tedious, not to mention boring. Do you remember when we got the raptor in a snap because, hey, he likes you, keep it? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    Its taken me nearly a year to get those 250 and a couple still aren't complete yet.. thats how trickle feed they are given if you do them how Anet wants. I even have the home instance things.

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Noa.7490 said:
    Some people here seem to forget that not everyone can sink hours upon hours each day. For those people, grinding to get 250 resources can get really tedious, not to mention boring. Do you remember when we got the raptor in a snap because, hey, he likes you, keep it? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    Do you remember when you had long term goals in games?
    Gamers remember.

    Yes they were left in the dust when HoT arrived..

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cerioth.7062 said:
    What mount grind?

    Yeah, I did not perceive the Griffon or Skyscale collection as a grind, either (except for the time-gated feeding part in the latter, but that was corrected after two weeks). I actually enjoy traveling across Tyria, seeking out spots etc.

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dante.1508 said:

    @Noa.7490 said:
    Some people here seem to forget that not everyone can sink hours upon hours each day. For those people, grinding to get 250 resources can get really tedious, not to mention boring. Do you remember when we got the raptor in a snap because, hey, he likes you, keep it? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

    Its taken me nearly a year to get those 250 and a couple still aren't complete yet.. thats how trickle feed they are given if you do them how Anet wants. I even have the home instance things.

    I did it in about a week and a half by just focusing the easy hearts, mining, and Eternal Ice.

    And I'm the kind of player who has 3/10 Citadel Crasher right now because I hate most repetitive farming tasks and avidly avoid them.

  • Only took me 2 Dragonfall metas for skimmer's underwater, i also get good loots along the way so before you complaint, think "am i doing it wrong?"
    Another thing.......you don't have to re-grind....you can keep what you put time in to get........
    If something is tedious, its best to stop every now and then, you will get it eventually

  • Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Cerioth.7062 said:
    What mount grind?

    Yeah, I did not perceive the Griffon or Skyscale collection as a grind, either (except for the time-gated feeding part in the latter, but that was corrected after two weeks). I actually enjoy traveling across Tyria, seeking out spots etc.

    Yeah, same. I loved both mount collections!

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cerioth.7062 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Cerioth.7062 said:
    What mount grind?

    Yeah, I did not perceive the Griffon or Skyscale collection as a grind, either (except for the time-gated feeding part in the latter, but that was corrected after two weeks). I actually enjoy traveling across Tyria, seeking out spots etc.

    Yeah, same. I loved both mount collections!

    I felt that the skyscale collection was a bit longer than it needed to be, but not to the point that I would like it to be adjusted. If anything, each step could have had a few less things to claim. /shrug

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @JekthAvid.1408 said:
    Roller beetle is obscenely easy. Skyscale and Griffon are... not easy.

    the griffon is still miles easier than skyscale though....

    the truth is harsh, my opinions are too.

  • The only part of the grind for the skyscale that I don’t like is only being able to craft things like the quartz crystal once a day. I understand that they want it to take time but if I have the mats I should be able to craft them. Other than that I don’t mind working to unlock something. I started this game during the shutdown and have found it less of a grind than the other games I play.

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Excursion.9752 said:
    Its just another I wanna skip the line threads... I guess we should all be able to login with a new character that is level 80 that is fully equipped with legendary everything, All mounts, all elite specs unlocked, full mastery unlocks, all maps fully complete, all titles available, all crafts maxed out, unlimited materials, unlimited gold, full wardrobe unlocks, with god mode enabled so we cant die just so we can complain about how there is nothing to do in this game. Seriously people go work for your stuff like everyone else.

    I apologize for being brash I'm just getting tired of the cutting corner threads that players are posting these days.

    if i wanted to work for something i better get paid for it, GW2 is supposed to be a game, not a job.

    the truth is harsh, my opinions are too.

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I dont mind grinding the mounts, to be fair rollerbeatle was quite fun on the other hand when i knew i couldnt do skyscale in 1 push i never really started. I hope you are right and they'll release a mount that makes skyscale obsolete and it's easier to get

  • @Laila Lightness.8742 said:
    I rather have no grind

    One of the most important thing in mmo's is reward system.
    There will be no rewarding without grind. I think this system is good, you can get raptor easily and if you dont want to grind for the rest then you dont deserve them

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LucianDK.8615 said:

    @jiggle puff.9347 said:
    Only complaint I have is that the skyscale makes the springer completely obsolete. I really like the mount, but let's be honest here. The skyscale is infinitely better at climbing heights than the springer could ever be. cannonball attack is still good for breakbar damage though.

    I hear you, the Springer is completely overshadowed now. Only use ive had for it is in those few hearts needing a stomp. Like the garden in sandswept isles.
    And I rarely use raptor or jackal, just too satisfying to use the beetle. And far faster.

    Springer still the best cc mount.

  • @LucianDK.8615 said:

    You do realize you can buy the foods needing quartz?

    I do realize that. If I had the extra money I would. It’s a matter of time gating that seems unnecessary to me. Why pay 4 to 6 gold for something I have needed mats for. That’s all

  • Druitt.7629Druitt.7629 Member ✭✭✭

    I hated the grind for the Skyscale and Beetle. The grind for the underwater ability was not bad at all. Just play the game, basically.

    And that's the thing that we need to distinguish: 2 million XP is not a grind. It is simply playing the game. You can choose to kill mobs (eat or drink something that boosts XP from kills first), you can choose to explore maps, you can do anything you would ALREADY be doing. If that's a grind, then the whole game is a grind.

    But when getting a mount depends on doing things that hardly anybody does, so ANet makes it part of the mount collection to force folks to do it, THAT is a grind. When you have to collect a specific object that's a rare drop, that's a grind. When you have to follow really obscure clues, that's a grind. You're forced to do things that you would ONLY do because of the mount collection.

    So yea, following a bunch of obscure clues to a couple dozen locations and collecting rare drops is a painful grind. But playing the game and gaining XP is NOT a grind. (At least no more than anything else.) I got most of my 2M XP by running around and exploring the map on a couple of characters, plus some experimenting with a couple of builds and killing lots of mobs. And magically, in two or three days, I got 2M XP.

  • Following clues (guides up within hours) is not a grind to many. It's fun exploration.
    I'm not sure what 'rare' drops were necessary for underwater Skimmer, or other Mounts, but I don't remember every step for every Mount.
    I do know I didn't have any issues with any 'rare' drops.