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  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 29, 2020

    @Chyanne Waters.8719 said:

    @trixantea.1230 said:
    This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria.

    LOL its GW2 version of GW1 factions not WoW'S lame version of Kung Fu Panda

    I don't think MoP was lame.
    If anything, Kung Fu Panda is the lame part of the comparison.

  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I saw some folks commenting about things they'd like in the expansion, including player housing. I know the devs have had some turnover and may not recall the old CDI's, so here's the original Guild Hall community discussion thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/cdi/CDI-Guilds-Guild-Halls
    It included a number of side discussions on what personal housing features might be desired. Might be a useful resource for newer devs, though it is very long.

    These current forums have also had some meaty discussions on the topic. No need to start from scratch if you guys are in fact considering a housing system for EoD :)

  • Zizekent.2398Zizekent.2398 Member ✭✭
    edited September 2, 2020

    PPl saying "This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria", when its literally based on GW Factions, and it was long before MoP, wow fanboys needs to learn that WoW didnt created the things on MMOs.

  • Malavian.4695Malavian.4695 Member ✭✭✭

    Well, my personal take on it is that the two dragons shown are the Water Dragon on top which sleeps beneath Kaineng city where it was frozen in place by the Jade Sea eruption. The other dragon on the bottom is the Ice Dragon. The only motivation I have for Jormag the Ice Dragon is destroy Primordus. They are polar opposites. She clearly has been injured or bested before by Primordus and he is listed as the most powerful of all the dragons. I could only see her motivated to try and kill him. Possibly with the assistance of the Water dragon. Now, either that's in partnership or by her taking it's magic. Either way after she intends to destroy Primordus while he still struggles to awaken following Balthazars attack. I think she is only interested in having her voice near to Aurene so she can better discern how to use as many types of magic energy as possible. As for the preview, well clearly the first voice is that of the one entering the scene and remarking on it. That would lead me to believe that they are foreign to the area such as Aurene would be. Then the encountered dragon confuses that notion by saying "No Kunaveng..." So...confused.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zizekent.2398 said:
    PPl saying "This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria", when its literally based on GW Factions, and it was long before MoP, wow fanboys needs to learn that WoW didnt created the things on MMOs.

    They also look completely different.
    The only place that somewhat looked like Pandaria was/is Shing Jea.

    However, Pandaria technically is older than Cantha.
    It's being mentioned 2002 by Chen (the Panda Brewmaster mercenary), four years prior to factions' release in 2006.

  • When do you think EoD will come out?

    I would like it to come out for the Chinese New Year which is February 11, 2021, it would be great to celebrate it with the Lunar New Year in the Monastery as well as in Linde.

    Or what are your speculations?

  • @angelica.7406 said:
    When do you think EoD will come out?

    I would like it to come out for the Chinese New Year which is February 11, 2021, it would be great to celebrate it with the Lunar New Year in the Monastery as well as in Linde.

    Or what are your speculations?

    End 2021 around. Why? Because :

    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    But I didn't include any Vision Past or delay... it's very optimized^^

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2020

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:
    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    That's a very optimistic view.

    I'd say we get the vision we are allegedly getting next at the end of Septembre and then an episode every three months.
    That'd place episode 8 somewhere in Autumn 2021.
    If we get not epilogue, the expansion got launch in time for the Yule festivities in Decembre 2021.
    If we get an epilogue, the expansion would launch two to three months into 2022 (possibly overlapping with Chinese New Year in February).

    And I hope they take the time to make it good instead of the low quality of Season 5.

  • @Kalythsu.8350 said:

    @angelica.7406 said:
    When do you think EoD will come out?

    I would like it to come out for the Chinese New Year which is February 11, 2021, it would be great to celebrate it with the Lunar New Year in the Monastery as well as in Linde.

    Or what are your speculations?

    End 2021 around. Why? Because :

    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    But I didn't include any Vision Past or delay... it's very optimized^^

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:
    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    That's a very optimistic view.

    I'd say we get the vision we are allegedly getting next at the end of Septembre and then an episode every three months.
    That'd place episode 8 somewhere in Autumn 2021.
    If we get not epilogue, the expansion got launch in time for the Yule festivities in Decembre 2021.
    If we get an epilogue, the expansion would launch two to three months into 2022 (possibly overlapping with Chinese New Year in February).

    And I hope they take the time to make it good instead of the low quality of Season 5.

    It makes me sad to know your answers, but okay, it's your speculation, i hope it is not in autumn, it would be a long wait. I would like them to launch it at the beginning of the year, however I prefer that they do a good job.

  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:
    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    That's a very optimistic view.

    I'd say we get the vision we are allegedly getting next at the end of Septembre and then an episode every three months.
    That'd place episode 8 somewhere in Autumn 2021.
    If we get not epilogue, the expansion got launch in time for the Yule festivities in Decembre 2021.
    If we get an epilogue, the expansion would launch two to three months into 2022 (possibly overlapping with Chinese New Year in February).

    And I hope they take the time to make it good instead of the low quality of Season 5.

    Given the recent world events and the delay from Covid, the fact that a studio who is usually pretty candid about details in general, specifically stated 2021 as the release date... I'm going to say that 2021 is pretty assured. Not saying it couldn't be December, but I doubt they would say 2021 as confidently as they have if they had even the slightest hesitation of it being postponed to 2022.

    With covid and the voice acting fiasco, they're still saying 2021. So I'd imagine they've made a lot more headway than the purely artistic teaser would imply.

    They're pretty skilled at pushing out detailed maps and art aesthetics quickly so I'd imagine the most development time will be going into presumed new elite specs/whatever feature they decide to add as the highlight for the expansion. Even the story they're generally pretty quick with.

    Depending on the team size, which we don't have any solid information on, they could have people rotating between living story episodes or have a much larger team working on the expansion in general. I don't remember how many people they have at the studio or the associated roles, but I believe it was 400 or so before the layoffs? So presumably still 200 people or so? Could be wrong on that.

    The content we get now feels like it's made by significantly fewer. So either they've shifted a lot to other projects or they've shifted them off to the expansion. It really doesn't feel like they were working on this "all along" and lied about it, it seems like they quickly shifted gears at some point and started on it. So I'm going to assume they've got a pretty large team working on it.

    Anyway, that's all beside the point. I don't think August/September is unrealistic. I wouldn't be surprised to see it in December but once you approach October you start getting into the long string of the most popular festival content. Releasing in early fall would be ideal in terms of release spacing and would align with the anniversary.

    Of course I'd love to be wrong and have this thing be out much earlier in 2021, but unless they've completely shifted this living season around and cut it short we're only halfway there.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 7, 2020

    @Bast.7253 said:
    Given the recent world events and the delay from Covid, the fact that a studio who is usually pretty candid about details in general, specifically stated 2021 as the release date... I'm going to say that 2021 is pretty assured. Not saying it couldn't be December, but I doubt they would say 2021 as confidently as they have if they had even the slightest hesitation of it being postponed to 2022.

    There have been so many game that got confident release dates, only to be delayed later.
    The most prominent example these days is Halo Infinite.
    I wouldn't be surprised of Arenanet suddenly announced a delay.

    The content we get now feels like it's made by significantly fewer. So either they've shifted a lot to other projects or they've shifted them off to the expansion.

    That's because it is created by less people per episode.
    Before, they had three development teams, now they have four. The additional team will most likely have been assembled by siphoning the people of the other teams, effectively making each team smaller.

    It really doesn't feel like they were working on this "all along" and lied about it, it seems like they quickly shifted gears at some point and started on it. So I'm going to assume they've got a pretty large team working on it.

    I doubt they had any plans on how to continue the story after War Eternal.
    War Eternal also felt like a final chapter to me, with all masteries being used and the final story instance summarizing the story by giving mini bosses based on all prior major antagonists.
    Between War Eternal and the announcement at the PAX, we didn't know the story would go on.
    If they had planned anything beyond it, we would have gotten a trailer (or at least a hint) at the end of the chapter, like they did in Season 2 and 3.
    My theory is that they started even just thinking of Season 5 some time between War Eternal and PAX.

  • Zok.4956Zok.4956 Member ✭✭✭

    @Bast.7253 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:
    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    That's a very optimistic view.

    I'd say we get the vision we are allegedly getting next at the end of Septembre and then an episode every three months.
    That'd place episode 8 somewhere in Autumn 2021.
    If we get not epilogue, the expansion got launch in time for the Yule festivities in Decembre 2021.
    If we get an epilogue, the expansion would launch two to three months into 2022 (possibly overlapping with Chinese New Year in February).

    And I hope they take the time to make it good instead of the low quality of Season 5.

    Given the recent world events and the delay from Covid, the fact that a studio who is usually pretty candid about details in general, specifically stated 2021 as the release date... I'm going to say that 2021 is pretty assured. Not saying it couldn't be December, but I doubt they would say 2021 as confidently as they have if they had even the slightest hesitation of it being postponed to 2022.

    I am pretty sure, that they have internally an estimated release date and a latest release date. And that they will release the game in the worst case at the latest release date and will ship all the things, that they have until then (without telling us, what was planned and is not finished/shipped).

    Remember the Gen. 2 legendary weapons of HoT? I am pretty sure a full set was planned for the HoT release, but it took much longer than estimated, so they shipped HoT only with 3 legendary weapons and not a full set. And said, that the remaining ones will be delivered later.

    Depending on the team size, which we don't have any solid information on, they could have people rotating between living story episodes or have a much larger team working on the expansion in general. I don't remember how many people they have at the studio or the associated roles, but I believe it was 400 or so before the layoffs? So presumably still 200 people or so? Could be wrong on that.

    Between 200-270 remained after the lay-offs and it was said, that these will not work on other "side projects", but will focus exclusively on GW2. So a lot of people hoped, that we would get more content (per month/quarter etc...) for GW2 than what we got before the lay-offs when (most of) the company worked on several unannounced side-projects.

    The content we get now feels like it's made by significantly fewer. So either they've shifted a lot to other projects or they've shifted them off to the expansion. It really doesn't feel like they were working on this "all along" and lied about it, it seems like they quickly shifted gears at some point and started on it.

    During the announcements of the Season 5 / Saga, Anet said, that the Saga is the way how Anet wants to deliver new content instead of an Expansion and that they are not working on an Expansion and that they are not planning to (at that time).

    And still, we only got half an Saga-episode every two month. The amount of content we got every two months never felt like the whole company was working on the Saga.

    My guess is, that they internally decided end of 2019 / beginning of 2020 to make an expansion. And that all the (bigger) things that were planned for the Saga are now delayed and will be included in the Expansion.

    So I'm going to assume they've got a pretty large team working on it.

    We actually do not know if Anet is only working on the Saga (a little bit) and on the Expansion (a lot), or if they are again working on unannounced side-projects.

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  • @Kalythsu.8350 said:

    @angelica.7406 said:
    When do you think EoD will come out?

    I would like it to come out for the Chinese New Year which is February 11, 2021, it would be great to celebrate it with the Lunar New Year in the Monastery as well as in Linde.

    Or what are your speculations?

    End 2021 around. Why? Because :

    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    But I didn't include any Vision Past or delay... it's very optimized^^

    If Episode 7 and Episode 8 are released in February and April of 2020, will they be including a time travel machine? :wink:

  • Bast.7253Bast.7253 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zok.4956 said:

    @Bast.7253 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:
    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    That's a very optimistic view.

    I'd say we get the vision we are allegedly getting next at the end of Septembre and then an episode every three months.
    That'd place episode 8 somewhere in Autumn 2021.
    If we get not epilogue, the expansion got launch in time for the Yule festivities in Decembre 2021.
    If we get an epilogue, the expansion would launch two to three months into 2022 (possibly overlapping with Chinese New Year in February).

    And I hope they take the time to make it good instead of the low quality of Season 5.

    Given the recent world events and the delay from Covid, the fact that a studio who is usually pretty candid about details in general, specifically stated 2021 as the release date... I'm going to say that 2021 is pretty assured. Not saying it couldn't be December, but I doubt they would say 2021 as confidently as they have if they had even the slightest hesitation of it being postponed to 2022.

    I am pretty sure, that they have internally an estimated release date and a latest release date. And that they will release the game in the worst case at the latest release date and will ship all the things, that they have until then (without telling us, what was planned and is not finished/shipped).

    Remember the Gen. 2 legendary weapons of HoT? I am pretty sure a full set was planned for the HoT release, but it took much longer than estimated, so they shipped HoT only with 3 legendary weapons and not a full set. And said, that the remaining ones will be delivered later.

    Depending on the team size, which we don't have any solid information on, they could have people rotating between living story episodes or have a much larger team working on the expansion in general. I don't remember how many people they have at the studio or the associated roles, but I believe it was 400 or so before the layoffs? So presumably still 200 people or so? Could be wrong on that.

    Between 200-270 remained after the lay-offs and it was said, that these will not work on other "side projects", but will focus exclusively on GW2. So a lot of people hoped, that we would get more content (per month/quarter etc...) for GW2 than what we got before the lay-offs when (most of) the company worked on several unannounced side-projects.

    The content we get now feels like it's made by significantly fewer. So either they've shifted a lot to other projects or they've shifted them off to the expansion. It really doesn't feel like they were working on this "all along" and lied about it, it seems like they quickly shifted gears at some point and started on it.

    During the announcements of the Season 5 / Saga, Anet said, that the Saga is the way how Anet wants to deliver new content instead of an Expansion and that they are not working on an Expansion and that they are not planning to (at that time).

    And still, we only got half an Saga-episode every two month. The amount of content we got every two months never felt like the whole company was working on the Saga.

    My guess is, that they internally decided end of 2019 / beginning of 2020 to make an expansion. And that all the (bigger) things that were planned for the Saga are now delayed and will be included in the Expansion.

    So I'm going to assume they've got a pretty large team working on it.

    We actually do not know if Anet is only working on the Saga (a little bit) and on the Expansion (a lot), or if they are again working on unannounced side-projects.

    That is the biggest question for me. 200-270 people seems like a lot, especially what they're rolling out now. (Which is probably made by much smaller teams.) So are the remaining people going ham on the expansion or did they shift 100 or more people over to other projects?

    I can understand the studio wanting to diversify their product, I just wish they'd go all out with this expansion. Obviously throwing more bodies at something isn't going to result in a better product, but knowing that full resources and attention are being focused on it would be ideal. Especially given how the past couple of seasons have gone and the significance of the location of this expansion and what it means to the people that have wanted it for such a long time.

    Hoping for an awesome teaser tomorrow for the fractal and some exciting other news with the patch. I'd have to imagine it's more than just a fractal though I don't think it will come with a vision or an episode. I'm wondering if they saved the Legendary Armory for the expansion or if that's something that could be coming with this patch.

  • Kichwas.7152Kichwas.7152 Member ✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:

    @angelica.7406 said:
    When do you think EoD will come out?

    I would like it to come out for the Chinese New Year which is February 11, 2021, it would be great to celebrate it with the Lunar New Year in the Monastery as well as in Linde.

    Or what are your speculations?

    End 2021 around. Why? Because :

    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    But I didn't include any Vision Past or delay... it's very optimized^^

    If Episode 7 and Episode 8 are released in February and April of 2020, will they be including a time travel machine? :wink:

    I was wondering about that... :bleep_bloop:

    I hope we can find out relatively soon some of the extremely basic things like:

    Will it have a new profession? (presume no)
    Will it have a new race? (almost 100% chance of no, but worth pondering anyway since people have been asking for Tengu as far back as Factions of GW1)
    Will it have new elite specs (presume yes)
    Will it have new mount types (solid maybe on my guess)
    Will it have new weapons (presume no as they've not added any since launch)
    If it has a new profession or race, would it give another character slot as well? (since I don't think we'll get either, this question is likely moot)

    I'm also itching to see enough of a trailer preview to be able to guess as to whether or not they will resort to cheap ethnic stereotypes like Eye of the North did (GW2 base game has it too, but only because it was stuck with what EotN did with Norn and Asura) or whether it will avoid that like Factions, Nightfall and Path of Fire all managed to do. This has been becoming important to me as I see some of the things people are asking for being racist ethnic stereotypes... ArenaNet has usually managed to avoid that, but it's still a concern as the dev team has been in flux a lot over the years and I get worried each time the reigns of control get passed around that somebody with a D&D past might creep in...

    Just say no to butt-flaps.

  • TheUndefined.1720TheUndefined.1720 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2020

    I'm surprised there aren't more responses to this! I'm super excited to go back to Cantha. I know my hopes are sky high (Heroes Mastery, Ritualist, Kurzicks/Luxons, new band of NPC's to run around with), but either way the GW2 team always surprises me with their beautiful art and creativity - writing on the other hand....... got way better in PoF :D

    So here's my little bit of speculation. I've watched this trailer... more times than I should've. I keep going back and forth on who "they" are in the line "they need me." At first I thought, easy - Aurene and mortals, but then, why would Kunavaang(sp) be opposed to that ("it doesn't have to be this way"). So then I heard that the voice reading the line is a totally new character from the voice actor - which nixxed Aurene and other dragons we've seen.

    I have to say, I'm definitely on the 'mother' bandwagon. I've since changed my opinion on who 'they' are. It's not mortals at all, it's the dragons. The dragons need this new character. The new character keeps relating how it's easy to forget what an ending is, and seeing as how there's an ending on the horizon, this new character is sympathizing with the ones who don't know what an ending really means, 'immortals' - dragons.

    I think that's why Kunavaang is so opposed to this plan, 'it doesn't have to be this way.' Meaning, this new character doesn't need to intervene, the motions are already going, Aurene is set up to take the lead and it looks like Kunavaang is onboard with that, maybe. Still, who would want to take the side of destructive, insane, evil elder dragons? Well, who could ONLY take up their side? Their mother.

    As for future speculation after dragons, I -really- hope we either delve deeply into the mysteries of Tyria (one of the reasons why GW1 was so attractive to me, each expansion brought new cultures, lore, and secrets to uncover) or we travel to a totally new space in the mists. I know we've been kinda dealing with the mists for a while with Kralk, but he left things in a huge disarray, not to mention the human's deities also kinda abandoned their duties there too. I keep thinking back to GW1 Utopia expansion (yes I know it was hacked and slashed into EotN and GW2, but still...) and I got the feeling that we were going to uncover some secret past the human deities had. Maybe that Utopia was a previously abandoned human settlement, maybe the previous pantheon before the current ones are still out there.

    Either way, super excited for the expansion, and I hope there's a lot more features to help casual players like me (Heroes, please..... just give it to me D:)

    Thanks for the trailer!

  • @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Zizekent.2398 said:
    PPl saying "This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria", when its literally based on GW Factions, and it was long before MoP, wow fanboys needs to learn that WoW didnt created the things on MMOs.

    They also look completely different.
    The only place that somewhat looked like Pandaria was/is Shing Jea.

    However, Pandaria technically is older than Cantha.
    It's being mentioned 2002 by Chen (the Panda Brewmaster mercenary), four years prior to factions' release in 2006.

    Ye, but it isnt even was playable/explorable territory, and wow players really needs to stop comparing their game to different mmos, and really needs to learn that wow didn't created the MMORPG genre.

  • Please, gw2 really needs a better specs trailers, for the marketing, just look Fr Hn*r classes trailers, i know, gw2 and that game are completely different, but would be better with a better trailer for the classes/specs

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zizekent.2398 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Zizekent.2398 said:
    PPl saying "This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria", when its literally based on GW Factions, and it was long before MoP, wow fanboys needs to learn that WoW didnt created the things on MMOs.

    They also look completely different.
    The only place that somewhat looked like Pandaria was/is Shing Jea.

    However, Pandaria technically is older than Cantha.
    It's being mentioned 2002 by Chen (the Panda Brewmaster mercenary), four years prior to factions' release in 2006.

    Ye, but it isnt even was playable/explorable territory, and wow players really needs to stop comparing their game to different mmos, and really needs to learn that wow didn't created the MMORPG genre.

    The trailer Sunqua Peak somewhat reminds me of The Jade Forest on Pandaria.
    And just like Sunqua Peak is the first peak we will have on how Cantha could look like, so is said Jade Forest the first place most people see on Pandaria.
    It might not mean anything, but it's a nice little parallel.

  • Well, don't know what the planning to release, but if it's in anyway similar to factions, it's not going to be similar to WoW: MoP in any way possible. I mean, I still remember Kaineng City. A place to hate, a place to love. It was a city so massive that covered more than one game zone. I mean, the main hub was just a plaza in that city, and the first two or three zones are just the city itself and some ninja weird cult constant ambushes. I remember how it was not just big, but also tall, as a fantasy/asian version of a Warhammer 40k Hive city.
    Also, If I recall correctly, there was racism and some hate over rival gangs, some ninja cults, assassins and slayers, and a throne and something about the emperor of Cantha being petrified or something. Can't remember much despite that city, but factions was not at all similar to MoP, so if they take the same lore we had on factions, it will be nothing like it. Of course they could just say "dragons did stuff" and remake everything, but... Well I just hope to have some of factions back.

  • Elric.4713Elric.4713 Member ✭✭✭

    If anyone at Arena Net reads this, now that we are heading for another continent please do not repeat the mistake as with POF and Icebrood Saga and make the maps disconnected.

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  • Aomine.5012Aomine.5012 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2020

    @Kichwas.7152 said:

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:

    @angelica.7406 said:
    When do you think EoD will come out?

    I would like it to come out for the Chinese New Year which is February 11, 2021, it would be great to celebrate it with the Lunar New Year in the Monastery as well as in Linde.

    Or what are your speculations?

    End 2021 around. Why? Because :

    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    But I didn't include any Vision Past or delay... it's very optimized^^

    If Episode 7 and Episode 8 are released in February and April of 2020, will they be including a time travel machine? :wink:

    I was wondering about that... :bleep_bloop:

    I hope we can find out relatively soon some of the extremely basic things like:

    Will it have a new profession? (presume no)
    Will it have a new race? (almost 100% chance of no, but worth pondering anyway since people have been asking for Tengu as far back as Factions of GW1)
    Will it have new elite specs (presume yes)
    Will it have new mount types (solid maybe on my guess)
    Will it have new weapons (presume no as they've not added any since launch)
    If it has a new profession or race, would it give another character slot as well? (since I don't think we'll get either, this question is likely moot)

    I'm also itching to see enough of a trailer preview to be able to guess as to whether or not they will resort to cheap ethnic stereotypes like Eye of the North did (GW2 base game has it too, but only because it was stuck with what EotN did with Norn and Asura) or whether it will avoid that like Factions, Nightfall and Path of Fire all managed to do. This has been becoming important to me as I see some of the things people are asking for being racist ethnic stereotypes... ArenaNet has usually managed to avoid that, but it's still a concern as the dev team has been in flux a lot over the years and I get worried each time the reigns of control get passed around that somebody with a D&D past might creep in...

    At this point, chance of getting a new race is next to impossible and not really practical in business prospective too.
    There's just way too many armours/ back item/ weapons they need to deal with if they add in completely new model character.

    Idrc what game-changing system they'd add this time, I just want something new and big to spice up my love for GW2 again, and hope it doesn't take exactly one year, but instead half a year.

    But with global pandemic and the decline in GW2 development team, my hope is kinda slim.

    Btw the reason why Anet has trouble adding new weapon in this game is 100% because of cosmetic feature of this game.
    There's just way too many weapon skins for each type of weapons , so every new weapon they add, they have to make like 500 more skins.

    For 99% of other MMOs , this is not the case because they just release a new weapon type by adding 1~5 new weapon skin, and there's no "theme skins" for all types of weapons like GW2 does. (For example, when they release an iceborne weapon, they have to add it to add 17 weapons)

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2020

    @Aomine.5012 said:
    For 99% of other MMOs , this is not the case because they just release a new weapon type by adding 1~5 new weapon skin, and there's no "theme skins" for all types of weapons like GW2 does. (For example, when they release an iceborne weapon, they have to add it to add 17 weapons)

    It's not the case for GW2 either.
    There haven't been Aquatic weapon skins in "theme" sets for years.

    Arenanet can easily introduce, for example, Javelins without making skins for all the older Black Lion sets.
    The crafting skins, most of which are recolours anyway, and the three fractal colours would suffice for the start.
    In the case of Javelins, it might even be easier to just shrink existing spear models to make "new" skins.

    Afaik, GW1 didn't add skins for new weapon types to older sets either.

  • Aomine.5012Aomine.5012 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Aomine.5012 said:
    For 99% of other MMOs , this is not the case because they just release a new weapon type by adding 1~5 new weapon skin, and there's no "theme skins" for all types of weapons like GW2 does. (For example, when they release an iceborne weapon, they have to add it to add 17 weapons)

    It's not the case for GW2 either.
    There haven't been Aquatic weapon skins in "theme" sets for years.

    Arenanet can easily introduce, for example, Javelins without making skins for all the older Black Lion sets.
    The crafting skins, most of which are recolours anyway, and the three fractal colours would suffice for the start.
    In the case of Javelins, it might even be easier to just shrink existing spear models to make "new" skins.

    Afaik, GW1 didn't add skins for new weapon types to older sets either.

    Well, you do have the point.
    One thing Anet can do is make Aquatic weapons become land weapon on some of the Espec. (With totally new skill set ofc)
    I always love spear theme weapon, why's it water exclusive?
    Just make it a land weapon already for some espec. It'd be super awesome and probably easier to implant.

  • I would love to see player housing AND romance. Thus, your player could romance an NPC (there would be quite a few to choose from). Once at a certain romance level, that NPC would maintain your player housing, including planting and harvesting crops and harvesting any player housing nodes. You would need to equip your girlfriend/wife or boyfriend/husband with harvesting tools. At a certain point, you can marry the NPC.

    Both Housing and Romance would require a series of quests (for Romance, not stupid, expensive quests that require months of grind. SImple ones like getting flowers or some other gifts, conversation choices, etc.).

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @misterman.1530 said:
    I would love to see player housing

    How'd you handle housing though?
    Like FF14 with the plots on limited copies of the same maps?
    Or like ArcheAge with limited plots in the Open world?
    Or would you just like for Arenanet to massively improve on home instances?

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @misterman.1530 said:
    I would love to see player housing

    How'd you handle housing though?
    Like FF14 with the plots on limited copies of the same maps?
    Or like ArcheAge with limited plots in the Open world?
    Or would you just like for Arenanet to massively improve on home instances?

    Fractal instance islands so everyone can have their own house.

  • Aomine.5012Aomine.5012 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 12, 2020

    @misterman.1530 said:
    I would love to see player housing AND romance. Thus, your player could romance an NPC (there would be quite a few to choose from). Once at a certain romance level, that NPC would maintain your player housing, including planting and harvesting crops and harvesting any player housing nodes. You would need to equip your girlfriend/wife or boyfriend/husband with harvesting tools. At a certain point, you can marry the NPC.

    Both Housing and Romance would require a series of quests (for Romance, not stupid, expensive quests that require months of grind. SImple ones like getting flowers or some other gifts, conversation choices, etc.).

    Hhahahaha romance.
    They used to have a simple love / forcity/ charming option back then with little to no impact.

    I'd rather they just add an ingame marriage system like many other MMO , and people can join the hosts' wedding.
    It'd spice up some activities.

  • Still waiting for expansion that would take somewhere new, with new stories, not this nostalgia trip :/

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2020

    @KrivukasLT.3507 said:
    Still waiting for expansion that would take somewhere new, with new stories, not this nostalgia trip :/

    Depending on how they design it, Cantha may feel like "somewhere new", rather than a "nostalgia trip".
    Kryta felt completely new, not like a nostalgic return to GW1's Kryta.
    Ascalon also felt like a completely new place.

  • Aomine.5012Aomine.5012 Member ✭✭✭

    @KrivukasLT.3507 said:
    Still waiting for expansion that would take somewhere new, with new stories, not this nostalgia trip :/

    I mean all the places we visit actually feel like new places...
    Those maps are nothing alike compare to GW1

    Plus on top of expansion, in living story, we already visit various new places GW1 never visted.

  • Kalythsu.8350Kalythsu.8350 Member ✭✭
    edited September 15, 2020

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:

    @angelica.7406 said:
    When do you think EoD will come out?

    I would like it to come out for the Chinese New Year which is February 11, 2021, it would be great to celebrate it with the Lunar New Year in the Monastery as well as in Linde.

    Or what are your speculations?

    End 2021 around. Why? Because :

    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    But I didn't include any Vision Past or delay... it's very optimized^^

    If Episode 7 and Episode 8 are released in February and April of 2020, will they be including a time travel machine? :wink:

    Sorry xD 2021! 2021 XD

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:
    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    That's a very optimistic view.

    I'd say we get the vision we are allegedly getting next at the end of Septembre and then an episode every three months.
    That'd place episode 8 somewhere in Autumn 2021.
    If we get not epilogue, the expansion got launch in time for the Yule festivities in Decembre 2021.
    If we get an epilogue, the expansion would launch two to three months into 2022 (possibly overlapping with Chinese New Year in February).

    And I hope they take the time to make it good instead of the low quality of Season 5.

    Impossile because in the Ends of Dragons trailer, say release 2021, not 2022^^

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:
    Impossile because in the Ends of Dragons trailer, say release 2021, not 2022

    Someone here never heard of delays.

  • @Kalythsu.8350 said:

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:

    @angelica.7406 said:
    When do you think EoD will come out?

    I would like it to come out for the Chinese New Year which is February 11, 2021, it would be great to celebrate it with the Lunar New Year in the Monastery as well as in Linde.

    Or what are your speculations?

    End 2021 around. Why? Because :

    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    But I didn't include any Vision Past or delay... it's very optimized^^

    If Episode 7 and Episode 8 are released in February and April of 2020, will they be including a time travel machine? :wink:

    Sorry xD 2021! 2021 XD

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:
    Episode 5 october 2020
    Episode 6 december 2020
    Episode 7 february 2020
    Episode 8 : April 2020
    Expansion : September 2021

    That's a very optimistic view.

    I'd say we get the vision we are allegedly getting next at the end of Septembre and then an episode every three months.
    That'd place episode 8 somewhere in Autumn 2021.
    If we get not epilogue, the expansion got launch in time for the Yule festivities in Decembre 2021.
    If we get an epilogue, the expansion would launch two to three months into 2022 (possibly overlapping with Chinese New Year in February).

    And I hope they take the time to make it good instead of the low quality of Season 5.

    Impossile because in the Ends of Dragons trailer, say release 2021, not 2022^^

    Hmm...I just watched the teaser (trailer), and I don't see or hear any mention of a date. Though, the News Blog does definitely state the release is in 2021.

  • @trixantea.1230 said:
    This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria.

    As someone who never played the original Guild Wars and knows nothing of Cantha...this was my first gut reaction as well. Yeah, I eventually played MoP when I returned to WoW 2 years ago, and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be...but the China inspiration was way too on the nose. It was pretty, and I do love the mythologies and landscapes of China, Japan, and other parts of the world, but the Asian influence was hitting me brutally over the head way too much. It felt very..."gross". I hope Cantha is not like Pandaria, and is its own unique take on an Asian culture. Is it more like China? Japan? Something else? Sounds like China based on the music. It makes me VERY worried, as a GW2 player who would be going into this blind.

  • @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Kalythsu.8350 said:
    Impossile because in the Ends of Dragons trailer, say release 2021, not 2022

    Someone here never heard of delays.

    For the moment no delay announced, I take the information given to me ;)

  • @Moyayuki.3619 said:

    @trixantea.1230 said:
    This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria.

    As someone who never played the original Guild Wars and knows nothing of Cantha...this was my first gut reaction as well. Yeah, I eventually played MoP when I returned to WoW 2 years ago, and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be...but the China inspiration was way too on the nose. It was pretty, and I do love the mythologies and landscapes of China, Japan, and other parts of the world, but the Asian influence was hitting me brutally over the head way too much. It felt very..."gross". I hope Cantha is not like Pandaria, and is its own unique take on an Asian culture. Is it more like China? Japan? Something else? Sounds like China based on the music. It makes me VERY worried, as a GW2 player who would be going into this blind.

    You are grossed out by Asia?

  • @Mortifera.6138 said:

    @Moyayuki.3619 said:

    @trixantea.1230 said:
    This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria.

    As someone who never played the original Guild Wars and knows nothing of Cantha...this was my first gut reaction as well. Yeah, I eventually played MoP when I returned to WoW 2 years ago, and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be...but the China inspiration was way too on the nose. It was pretty, and I do love the mythologies and landscapes of China, Japan, and other parts of the world, but the Asian influence was hitting me brutally over the head way too much. It felt very..."gross". I hope Cantha is not like Pandaria, and is its own unique take on an Asian culture. Is it more like China? Japan? Something else? Sounds like China based on the music. It makes me VERY worried, as a GW2 player who would be going into this blind.

    You are grossed out by Asia?

    No, that's not what I was saying. I was saying that WoW's use of Chinese culture, art, architecture, etc felt gross. It felt like a huge walking stereotype (though I do have to say that I fell in love with the mantis race and their storyline, and there were specific characters in MoP who grew on me).

  • Thornwolf.9721Thornwolf.9721 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 23, 2020

    @Moyayuki.3619 said:

    @trixantea.1230 said:
    This looks like GW2's version of Mists of Pandaria.

    As someone who never played the original Guild Wars and knows nothing of Cantha...this was my first gut reaction as well. Yeah, I eventually played MoP when I returned to WoW 2 years ago, and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be...but the China inspiration was way too on the nose. It was pretty, and I do love the mythologies and landscapes of China, Japan, and other parts of the world, but the Asian influence was hitting me brutally over the head way too much. It felt very..."gross". I hope Cantha is not like Pandaria, and is its own unique take on an Asian culture. Is it more like China? Japan? Something else? Sounds like China based on the music. It makes me VERY worried, as a GW2 player who would be going into this blind.

    It in guild wars 1 was much, much darker than mists of pandaria. It also was much more mature with how it handled its narrative; And the environments looked unique and different from one another. For example, Luxxons were basically pirates stranded on the jade sea which had become literal jade. They had adapted to the land-scape and had sea-weed constructs with pulsating magical cores, turtle cannon siege monsters as well moving cities. (Think the jawa's massive truck cart when they abduct the droids in star-wars. Looks a lot like that.) And thats scratching the tip of the iceberg with them, as the jade sea has thawed or partially thawed they might of adapted to land and sea now. (As well the ecosystem might of returned to whatever it was previously to the jade winds.)

    Kurzicks were more gothic, and vampiric in both appearance and culture. They were traditionalists who valued magic over technology or advancements in war-fare and were extremely strong martially. They too had various different forms of combat. For more information I REALLY suggest to everyone in this thread to watch the heralds video; A bit long but it will catch you up and get you up-to-date as well acquainted at the very least with what to expect. I highly doubt cantha has changed much, Isolationists never really adapt as quickly and since most of cantha was traditional (Outside of the luxons who likely, were treated as second class citizens based on the actual canthan's view of them) would likely stick to their roots. In fact it might be much darker than we originally remember due to the jade winds being reversed; Even partially and with the current state of tyria and the saturation of magic and their xenophobia I don't believe it will be like PoF. Im thinking it will be hostile, dark and gritty just like HoT was as the jungle wanted us dead more than the dragon did at times. I very well see us in the expansion having to deal with their customs and overcoming YEARS of stoked racial tensions between the humans there and the different species everywhere else. (Wouldn't mind a cult of the dragon with the emperor being at its head. Which then could explain where is god-tier power comes from.)

  • TheUndefined.1720TheUndefined.1720 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2020

    Btw, has anyone floated the idea of Jormag potentially being melted and that's the second water dragon in the expansion logo? GW2 writing team always finds a way to jam a rusty fork into any sort of soft story spot (which can be super tiresome after a while..........), so I'm assuming at the end of this story Jormag is either going to corrupt / wound / kill / something bad to Aurene. We'll get our usual bittersweet ending of kinda defeating Jormag but not really as usual, and I'm thinking we'll melt the dragon. I hope that's not the avenue they go, b/c any kind of emotional response isn't always good, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's how they go.

    Anyone else have any thoughts on a melted Jormag being the second water dragon?

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2020

    @TheUndefined.1720 said:
    Anyone else have any thoughts on a melted Jormag being the second water dragon?

    We don't even know whether Selbbub actually is a water dragon, so it hardly makes sense to speculate in Jormag becoming a second one.
    All we know about Selbbub is that it's called the Deep-Sea Dragon because of its physical location.

  • TheUndefined.1720TheUndefined.1720 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2020

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @TheUndefined.1720 said:
    Anyone else have any thoughts on a melted Jormag being the second water dragon?

    We don't even know whether Selbbub actually is a water dragon, so it hardly makes sense to speculate in Jormag becoming a second one.
    All we know about Selbbub is that it's called the Deep-Sea Dragon because of its physical location.

    600px-EoD_Texture_Trans.png

    First time I'm hearing of "Selbbub," so thanks for the intro lol.

    In the logo, there's clearly two -water- dragons, both dragons have frilly webbed fins on their faces, so it really seems like a hint at 2 separate water dragons that I'm assuming will be in conflict since they're in the yin-yang position (one above / below - opposition as well as their coloring). I don't think Jormag is -the- water dragon. I think if the real water dragon is either in cahoots with the Canthans (Canthans kick out all other races, so does the water dragon kick out all aquatic races) OR the Canthans have subdued their water dragon problem into a deep slumber. This is all pure speculation. It just seems like we're getting duality in this logo, so I figure ice is just frozen water, melt it and you get that second dragon in the logo. I don't think I've seen anyone really talk about this yet, please correct me if I'm wrong.

    I'm also behind on Icebrood Saga b/c I'm a GW1 fussy stubborn player and it really irks me to see how GW2 writing team has handled that whole thing, so I might be missing some lore on Jormag that might be forshadowed in the saga. ;P

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 27, 2020

    @TheUndefined.1720 said:
    600px-EoD_Texture_Trans.png

    First time I'm hearing of "Selbbub," so thanks for the intro lol.

    In the logo, there's clearly two -water- dragons, both dragons have frilly webbed fins on their faces, so it really seems like a hint at 2 separate water dragons that I'm assuming will be in conflict since they're in the yin-yang position (one above / below - opposition as well as their coloring). I don't think Jormag is -the- water dragon. I think if the real water dragon is either in cahoots with the Canthans (Canthans kick out all other races, so does the water dragon kick out all aquatic races) OR the Canthans have subdued their water dragon problem into a deep slumber. This is all pure speculation. It just seems like we're getting duality in this logo, so I figure ice is just frozen water, melt it and you get that second dragon in the logo. I don't think I've seen anyone really talk about this yet, please correct me if I'm wrong.

    That's just the logo of the expansion, it doesn't need to mean anything.
    The PoF logo had no relevance to anything in PoF either.
    The HoT logo had nothing much to with the plot either, except for "Ohh, thorns."
    You could draw parallels between Trahearne sacrificing himself and Jesus dying (since the logo reminds me of Jesus' barbed crown), but that's as far as it impacts the content of HoT.

    For all you know it could just mean that Selbbub simply developed fins and gills to 'breath' in its sleep underwater.
    The lower part just looks like a slightly-distorted reflection to me (which is a common occurrence with watery surfaces) that is slowly being sucked up into a the wave (because we know that waves suck in water to get bigger).
    For me, that just looks like a purely artistic decision with no bearing on the story.

  • I only hope that they finally work in a real explanation for what drove Abaddon mad. I've been speculating that he maneuvered Shiro into that suicide attack for some reason. Now, it seems reasonable that he might have been committing a pre-emptive strike against the Deepsea Dragon. If it in turn struck back and made him insane at least we'd have SOME rationale behind all that happened.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 28, 2020

    @Malavian.4695 said:
    I only hope that they finally work in a real explanation for what drove Abaddon mad. I've been speculating that he maneuvered Shiro into that suicide attack for some reason. Now, it seems reasonable that he might have been committing a pre-emptive strike against the Deepsea Dragon. If it in turn struck back and made him insane at least we'd have SOME rationale behind all that happened.

    If being imprisoned in the realm of torment and drowning in his thirst for revenge against the other gods does not count as a real reason, then there will be no real reason for you.
    Using Shiro to defile Dwayna magic likely was part of his revenge.

    Not everything has to be retconned into being connected to the Elder Dragons.

  • Just take my money already.

  • I really, really hope if there are new elite specs the new engineer spec is focused on alchemy of some form.

    The most fun I've had in this game is with my smoll thief and my battle alchemist. I'd be beyond stoked if there was another spec that was dedicated to a more organic engineer.

  • @Butterfly Kingdom.8349 said:
    To celebrate the eighth anniversary of Guild Wars 2, we have a special surprise for you! In the land of Cantha, ancient voices reflect on Tyria’s history—and its future. Watch the teaser video now.

    Do we want a end to dragons?

  • Well if were going to Cantha maybe we get too have the Tengu as a new playable race. Or we go to too the Domain of the 4 winds before going to Cantha.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Telwyn.1630 said:
    Well if were going to Cantha maybe we get too have the Tengu as a new playable race. Or we go to too the Domain of the 4 winds before going to Cantha.

    I would not hold my breath on this one considering all the armors that will have to be modified for the new race.

    Consider that they dont even fix the old armor clipping for already existing races.