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Decap engi is probably the most degen class rn

Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

Core, scrapper and holo. Doesn’t matter the variation becuz all they do is knockback with about x8 the knockback of other side noders.

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  • I noticed quite recently the actually insane amount of soft and hard crowd control a scrapper can put out. Couldn't even name which skill the guy used 'cause I don't really know engi well, all I know is that I was being pushed the whole time, and when I wasn't, he was blocking and dazing with the shield. There's no damage, it just moves you.

    On the positive side, these kind of players seem quite vulnerable to a competent +1, which means if you consume their cooldowns just a little bit some rev\thief\degenerate mesmer can pierce through them very quick.

  • Zeesh.7286Zeesh.7286 Member ✭✭✭

    Yea. All it needs to do is come in knockback and decap your point and gg.. it can leave and go plus in the team or decap mid because it's also tanky :)

    B A L A N C E

  • Teb.6980Teb.6980 Member ✭✭

    The main offenders are battering ram, remote mine, and OF COURSE (and what makes them so kitty tough) is that overtuned scrapper trait with no ICD which gives a hefty barrier per every CC handed out
    And obviously flashbang grenade which never was in-tune with the game philosophy, [however there's many more specs which dump in damage with CC, particularly condi bursts]

    So imagine having to hit said engi at the start of combat, but oop, you're dazed, but oop, you're blinded, and big oof it has a barrier. But oop you just got knocked back and 3 buffs got removed off your sorry n00b kitty because you haven't rerolled into some kitten OP abuse spec yet

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2020

    You don't interact with it and just avoid it. Yes, you avoid pvp in a pvp game mode.

    Seems to be a theme with this meta, and why it's not fun. Please delete remote mines knockback(not used in pve), rework the symbols aoe trait(not used in pve), reduce system shockers barrier by 50% in wvw/pvp and rework stone heart(not used in pve)

  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:
    You don't interact with it and just avoid it. Yes, you avoid pvp in a pvp game mode.

    Seems to be a theme with this meta, and why it's not fun. Please delete remote mines knockback(not used in pve), rework the symbols aoe trait(not used in pve), reduce system shockers barrier by 50% in wvw/pvp and rework stone heart(not used in pve)

    So just because a skill is not used in PvE is a reason to kill it entirely?
    Remove the knockback from throw mine and it becomes useless....

    They would have to massively increase the damage of the skill then and even then it wouldn't be really worth it anymore. Throw mine basically works like something between a trap and a preparation, but the actual pressure the skill would put on an area would be minimal, since it just deals damage in a single instance, meaning the maximum power coefficien they could give it would be 2,0....

    Agree that they should reduce the barrier in PvP/WvW from system shocker, tho. Pretty weird that they didn't do that right at the implementation of this trait.

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hhmm, it seems cancer, can i have the build

  • Can someone explain what to do against a Decap Engi?

  • Dawdler.8521Dawdler.8521 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Syiic.3724 said:
    Can someone explain what to do against a Decap Engi?

    I'm not an sPvP expert, but I would say kill him and cap the point.

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  • @Syiic.3724 said:
    Can someone explain what to do against a Decap Engi?

    Honestly, either gank him in 2/3 v1 or leave. The boon removal on throw mine make them immune to stab. Another stupid design like unblocable : "Hey how about having a skill which counters its counter." sure, that's sounds great.

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 8, 2020

    @Syiic.3724 said:
    Can someone explain what to do against a Decap Engi?

    leave him, if he wants to play this boring kitten let him afk on a node, alone, for 10minutes
    if he moves away from the node decap his kitten, walk up to him, stun him, flip him off and leave him too. Show him where his place is.
    afk, on a node, alone.

  • aelska.4609aelska.4609 Member ✭✭✭

    Dunno, I found it to be quite interactive tbh

    (More honestly it is more meme potential than a problem if you don't do like me. Ignore and go on other nodes. I'd have expected it to be fixed in small balance patch if anet dev team didn't get killed in Jormag's landing.)

  • How about this candidate? A Movespeed Decap Daredevil.
    Entirely pacifistic, braindead-friendly build that does nothing but zips about decapping empty points thus forcing enemy team to spend more time capping them back or allocate players to guard them all.

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @paShadoWn.5723 said:
    How about this candidate? A Movespeed Decap Daredevil.
    Entirely pacifistic, braindead-friendly build that does nothing but zips about decapping empty points thus forcing enemy team to spend more time capping them back or allocate players to guard them all.

    Not even close

  • @aelska.4609 said:
    Dunno, I found it to be quite interactive tbh

    (More honestly it is more meme potential than a problem if you don't do like me. Ignore and go on other nodes. I'd have expected it to be fixed in small balance patch if anet dev team didn't get killed in Jormag's landing.)

    Bro that was me. I was playing core guard too. The decap engi was the ranked 3 NA lol. I was 1400~ player lol. (matchmaking sucks)

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @aelska.4609 said:
    Dunno, I found it to be quite interactive tbh

    (More honestly it is more meme potential than a problem if you don't do like me. Ignore and go on other nodes. I'd have expected it to be fixed in small balance patch if anet dev team didn't get killed in Jormag's landing.)

    Look at that name, lol. The dude knows he's playing a stupid build. This is the type of stuff balance patches every 2 weeks are supposed to fix, btw.

    I actually don't blame people for playing decap eng since everyone just plays builds that spam AOE on the node and live forever(hi base guardian) anyways. Counter cheese with bigger cheese.

  • Norbe.7630Norbe.7630 Member ✭✭✭

    engi is op, too op, too fast

    https://streamable.com/k0sdsc

    Why So Serious?

  • Kodama.6453Kodama.6453 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Norbe.7630 said:
    engi is op, too op, too fast

    https://streamable.com/k0sdsc

    That was a 2v1.... Yeah, people can die quickly when outnumbered. But this isn't really a good argument for engineer being too strong.

  • Norbe.7630Norbe.7630 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 9, 2020

    @Kodama.6453 said:

    @Norbe.7630 said:
    engi is op, too op, too fast

    https://streamable.com/k0sdsc

    That was a 2v1.... Yeah, people can die quickly when outnumbered. But this isn't really a good argument for engineer being too strong.

    but if you watched carefully, i mean do engis dont even need to jump from that fence while the other class must jump?

    Why So Serious?

  • this has been around for years

    Te lazla otstara.

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Poledra Val.1490 said:
    To be blunt Engineer as a class right now is utterly busted, its beyond my understanding why Anet does not balance this entire class properly.

    Not true, considering all elites and core specs, core engi is the worst of all of them, funny enough its elites can make up for all that and pull themselves to top tier list.

    Tbh they have to overkill holo and kinda nerf scrapper to slowly buff core to bring all 3 of them up together, otherwise one or another elite will end up busted with any attempt of buffing core

    That’s not true at all decap core engi is good enough to play in ats or ranked at a fairly high level and as such is leaps and bounds ahead of core specs like mes war rev and ele

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dantheman.3589 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Poledra Val.1490 said:
    To be blunt Engineer as a class right now is utterly busted, its beyond my understanding why Anet does not balance this entire class properly.

    Not true, considering all elites and core specs, core engi is the worst of all of them, funny enough its elites can make up for all that and pull themselves to top tier list.

    Tbh they have to overkill holo and kinda nerf scrapper to slowly buff core to bring all 3 of them up together, otherwise one or another elite will end up busted with any attempt of buffing core

    That’s not true at all decap core engi is good enough to play in ats or ranked at a fairly high level and as such is leaps and bounds ahead of core specs like mes war rev and ele

    I was not aware of this build, do you know how is it like?

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Dantheman.3589 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Poledra Val.1490 said:
    To be blunt Engineer as a class right now is utterly busted, its beyond my understanding why Anet does not balance this entire class properly.

    Not true, considering all elites and core specs, core engi is the worst of all of them, funny enough its elites can make up for all that and pull themselves to top tier list.

    Tbh they have to overkill holo and kinda nerf scrapper to slowly buff core to bring all 3 of them up together, otherwise one or another elite will end up busted with any attempt of buffing core

    That’s not true at all decap core engi is good enough to play in ats or ranked at a fairly high level and as such is leaps and bounds ahead of core specs like mes war rev and ele

    I was not aware of this build, do you know how is it like?

    Just use battering ram, throw mine and offhand shield. It’s insanely high knockback uptime + it has the option to rip through stab, so even if it’s not great it’ll win the side node 1v1 just by decapping and keeping the enemy unable to do damage through the knockbacks

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dantheman.3589 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Dantheman.3589 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Poledra Val.1490 said:
    To be blunt Engineer as a class right now is utterly busted, its beyond my understanding why Anet does not balance this entire class properly.

    Not true, considering all elites and core specs, core engi is the worst of all of them, funny enough its elites can make up for all that and pull themselves to top tier list.

    Tbh they have to overkill holo and kinda nerf scrapper to slowly buff core to bring all 3 of them up together, otherwise one or another elite will end up busted with any attempt of buffing core

    That’s not true at all decap core engi is good enough to play in ats or ranked at a fairly high level and as such is leaps and bounds ahead of core specs like mes war rev and ele

    I was not aware of this build, do you know how is it like?

    Just use battering ram, throw mine and offhand shield. It’s insanely high knockback uptime + it has the option to rip through stab, so even if it’s not great it’ll win the side node 1v1 just by decapping and keeping the enemy unable to do damage through the knockbacks

    It seems cancer, i like it

  • Norbe.7630Norbe.7630 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 10, 2020

    @Bazsi.2734 said:

    @Norbe.7630 said:
    engi is op, too op, too fast

    https://streamable.com/k0sdsc

    It's a 2v1. All I can see on this video is someone running into a 2v1 and dying like an open world NPC... therefore irrelevant to the discussion whether engi specs are strong or not. Extra dishonesty points for not showing the damage breakdown at the end.

    longer video on how OP engi is :) enjoy
    (recorded at 60fps, played at 144fps)

    Why So Serious?

  • Tharan.9085Tharan.9085 Member ✭✭✭

    @Norbe.7630 said:

    @Bazsi.2734 said:

    @Norbe.7630 said:
    engi is op, too op, too fast

    https://streamable.com/k0sdsc

    It's a 2v1. All I can see on this video is someone running into a 2v1 and dying like an open world NPC... therefore irrelevant to the discussion whether engi specs are strong or not. Extra dishonesty points for not showing the damage breakdown at the end.

    longer video on how OP engi is :) enjoy
    (recorded at 60fps, played at 144fps)

    You are using scepter, IH and you're dodging offensive

  • I think decap anything might start becoming the new meta as thing shifts along.

    I've seen EU experimenting with a decap Druid that, while not the same level of stupidity of the engi builds, is pretty annoying to play against.

  • Norbe.7630Norbe.7630 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tharan.9085 said:

    You are using scepter, IH and you're dodging offensive

    Now you know why engis can be OP too
    glad i recorded that fight
    but at the start i forgot to record on how the engi is faster to decap its like 0.5 second from spawn to a point then starts decapping

    well anyway, i dont look at my toons when on a battle, i look at the enemies :)

    Why So Serious?

  • Dantheman.3589Dantheman.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Starbreaker.6507 said:
    I think decap anything might start becoming the new meta as thing shifts along.

    I've seen EU experimenting with a decap Druid that, while not the same level of stupidity of the engi builds, is pretty annoying to play against.

    I think na beat you too it. Someone played a knockback only druid in the mota, hence the mine cart memes because someone stood in a mine cart to stop them from decapping them followed by said person crying and accusing ppl of cheating

  • Bazsi.2734Bazsi.2734 Member ✭✭✭

    @Norbe.7630 said:

    @Bazsi.2734 said:

    @Norbe.7630 said:
    engi is op, too op, too fast

    https://streamable.com/k0sdsc

    It's a 2v1. All I can see on this video is someone running into a 2v1 and dying like an open world NPC... therefore irrelevant to the discussion whether engi specs are strong or not. Extra dishonesty points for not showing the damage breakdown at the end.

    longer video on how OP engi is :) enjoy
    (recorded at 60fps, played at 144fps)

    So you edited clips of you dying to an ele twice togheter with you killing said engi once. Nice troll.

  • @Norbe.7630 said:

    @Bazsi.2734 said:

    @Norbe.7630 said:
    engi is op, too op, too fast

    https://streamable.com/k0sdsc

    It's a 2v1. All I can see on this video is someone running into a 2v1 and dying like an open world NPC... therefore irrelevant to the discussion whether engi specs are strong or not. Extra dishonesty points for not showing the damage breakdown at the end.

    longer video on how OP engi is :) enjoy
    (recorded at 60fps, played at 144fps)

    I like that hit at 0:58. My favourite "hit even though you're out of range".

  • Norbe.7630Norbe.7630 Member ✭✭✭

    @Bazsi.2734 said:
    So you edited clips of you dying to an ele twice togheter with you killing said engi once. Nice troll.

    i only edited to show the engi, but if you want the full game i can upload it, you wanna see the slowmo too on how OP the engi is?

    Why So Serious?

  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @TrollingDemigod.3041 said:

    @Norbe.7630 said:

    @Bazsi.2734 said:

    @Norbe.7630 said:
    engi is op, too op, too fast

    https://streamable.com/k0sdsc

    It's a 2v1. All I can see on this video is someone running into a 2v1 and dying like an open world NPC... therefore irrelevant to the discussion whether engi specs are strong or not. Extra dishonesty points for not showing the damage breakdown at the end.

    longer video on how OP engi is :) enjoy
    (recorded at 60fps, played at 144fps)

    I like that hit at 0:58. My favourite "hit even though you're out of range".

    its hard to say, camera at that angle can be REALLY deceptive

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Is this a Cuilan thread?

    Best Dressed Memser NA.

  • Shiyo.3578Shiyo.3578 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 14, 2020

    @Starbreaker.6507 said:
    I think decap anything might start becoming the new meta as thing shifts along.

    I've seen EU experimenting with a decap Druid that, while not the same level of stupidity of the engi builds, is pretty annoying to play against.

    The issue is that bunkers are too tanky and can delay you for to long while gaining points the entire time. Their only quick counter is decap cc builds as killing them takes far too long regardless of either players skill.

  • The typical decap engi is weak to decent condi pressure (think condi druid / rev / mirage) as well as being outnumbered. Tried this last night and it was great.

    Red = Dead...or someone runs away. Either way it's gone.
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  • Oh and petting zoo necros due to the meatshields soaking up the cc, and staff/sword spamming thieves (ya know, the cheese kinds)

    Red = Dead...or someone runs away. Either way it's gone.
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  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:
    The typical decap engi is weak to decent condi pressure (think condi druid / rev / mirage) as well as being outnumbered. Tried this last night and it was great.

    mirage is not good against decap engi, they generate too much barrier through hitting clones, and mirage lacks sustained damage to push them off

  • @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:
    The typical decap engi is weak to decent condi pressure (think condi druid / rev / mirage) as well as being outnumbered. Tried this last night and it was great.

    mirage is not good against decap engi, they generate too much barrier through hitting clones, and mirage lacks sustained damage to push them off

    Condi mirage is good. Ive only seen 2 real decap engis (Not FT or Nade but real decap engi) and they dont have many condi cleanses. They have some resistance (4 sec) and 1 maybe 2 small condi clears.

    Red = Dead...or someone runs away. Either way it's gone.
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  • Leonidrex.5649Leonidrex.5649 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:

    @Leonidrex.5649 said:

    @Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:
    The typical decap engi is weak to decent condi pressure (think condi druid / rev / mirage) as well as being outnumbered. Tried this last night and it was great.

    mirage is not good against decap engi, they generate too much barrier through hitting clones, and mirage lacks sustained damage to push them off

    Condi mirage is good. Ive only seen 2 real decap engis (Not FT or Nade but real decap engi) and they dont have many condi cleanses. They have some resistance (4 sec) and 1 maybe 2 small condi clears.

    I know, but I also know that you dont have to cleanse anything against condi mirage.
    you wait through confusion burst, and barriers outsustain any sustained damage mirage has.
    I played the matchup, I watched other play it. Mirage cant win unless serious big fuckups happen on engi side.

  • ArthurDent.9538ArthurDent.9538 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Is this a Cuilan thread?

    Drydude