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I'm all for giving a rental service in WvW (since Anet doesn't want to remove the damn mount -- might as well let everyone have it) - no additional skills though while riding it.If they want a mount full-time in that mode or in PvE in general, it should remain locked behind the PoF expansion. Same thing with Gliding and HoT.

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@"Halbarz.3854" said:To be honest Gw2 is already one of the most consumer-friendly games on the market. In my opinion, it is too much even.

The warclaw is a must for wvw these days like or not, so making part of F2P would be great.In PvE it has little to no use, you can maybe run faster to a meta event but it would give people a taste of what's to come when they buy PoF.

I don't buy these kind of arguments as an "old" GW2 player that have been playing WvW and PvE since before HoT came out (which added Gliding later into WvW), I would say that Gliding is more important in WvW as you can down faster to daily like Ruins and so on. Most reason people where kiled where from fall damage in both WvW and PvE content.

New player need to learn how to build to compensate for Warclaw and that is even useful for players with Warclaw as you can get dismounted and it takes time get out-of-combat, in those situation leaning to use swiftness and superspeed among other tools until they get access to Warclaw will also teach new players from becoming easy targets later on.

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@Kurrilino.2706 said:Isn't the whole idea of expansions to generate a huge amount of income to make it through the drought until next expansion?????

Why would they give expansion stuff away for free.I mean we are talking what ? $29? I got thousands of hours out of those $29. There is no other hobby that comes close to that ratio.If you want to play a game, pay for it. What's wrong with you people?

I can't believe you guy make me defend A-Net for once

People can just tag (wishlist) on Steam when there will be a sale for GW2 and expansion, so there is no real reason go on about how GW2 need to change just for a group of Steam people would be willing to pay for anything. If something is listed on wishlist, then they will also get a mail when there is an offer on games that they have interest in. It is worse for us that have to be online on forum or check regular on site for any offer...when we are not playing for a short duration.

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No. Raptor is tied into PoF lore as well.

Honestly, I think mounts should just stay a PoF thing. It's one of the main draws to purchase the expansions.

However, if any mount should be allowed for F2P accounts, it is the Warclaw. It would also solve the "make the Warclaw more viable in PvE" and the "core Tyria mount" arguments too. ~~The mount could technically be obtainable by anyone who can join WvW as well, so players could even get it before they hit level 10. ~~

Edit: I didn't know you had to be level 60 on a F2P account to do WvW.

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I have seen a number of threads and some complaints in game from veteran and new players alike grinding through the lower levels. Some one beelines to an event on their raptor, skyscale, beetle, whatever. They do their attack dismount and murder everything before the newbie can manage to tag a single mob let alone arrive to the site of the even before it is completed or nearly completed. I'd argue that for balance's sake SOMETHING has to be done but we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. The core maps were absolutely not designed with mounts in mind, yet here they are, but I'm not sure I agree with restricting their use and taking away a player's freedom to use them in starter areas, especially after already completing the map a few times on foot.

I do believe the solution is to either provide mount rental in these starter areas (and maybe allow the purchase of a basic one for gems after the rental period) or alternatively?

Introduce the basic Moa as a f2p mount. Maybe it runs about as fast as a person with the quickness or superspeed boon. No masteries for it or real special abilities, but maybe a double jump of some sort at absolutely most (at the cost of both its adrenaline bars,) just slightly higher than the raptor's for clearing obstacles but absolutely no long distance leaping. The idea would be for it to be something juuuust barely fast enough to help them keep up with the veteran players while not outclassing the raptor or jackal. It also wouldn't exactly help them cheese any of the vistas, POIs, etc either, just get around a little bit quicker.

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Playing through Core zones, completing heart quests and story lines, ought to generate enough experience to level toons. The rushing events on mounts usually refers to more open content (daily events, escort events) that aren't really required to level. Can these mounted rider be annoying and selfish? Absolutely, but they don't prevent players from completing enough content to level.

Rental mounts are not needed and could dis-incentivize players from working toward current mounts.

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I don't think they should, Core Tyria was designed with no mounts I think it's fine as is. Yes it can be hard to keep up with other players during an event but there's not many events where you need to travel long distances.Besides the expansions are pretty cheap at €30 for both and given the sheer amount of content they each have It is definitely worth it.

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I think the thing that makes the "core" experience feel slow is that there's like 15 hearts and 30 POIs to do per map (as opposed to, say, 0-5 hearts in recent maps), more so than anything to do with your movement speed. You're spending a lot of time on a single starter map, then hours on the next map in the level band, &c., interspersed with personal story, even though it doesn't take a lot of time to get anywhere because you do have ample waypoints.

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@Jagblade.4627 said:I have seen a number of threads and some complaints in game from veteran and new players alike grinding through the lower levels. Some one beelines to an event on their raptor, skyscale, beetle, whatever. They do their attack dismount and murder everything before the newbie can manage to tag a single mob let alone arrive to the site of the even before it is completed or nearly completed. I'd argue that for balance's sake SOMETHING has to be done but we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

This same thing happened before mounts.

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@Shiyo.3578 said:No, and the game shouldn't be F2P to begin with.

without F2P i would never have played this game and payed money for it. F2P is a good thing for the player and the company.

@"casualkenny.9817" said:The base raptor, with the short jump, no mob grab, and no boosted dmg, or an equivalent or slightly weaker mount ....

You feel that that's giving too much? The whole point of ftp accs is try-b4-u-buy advertising.

can only talk for myself but i think i would have dropped gw2 if mounts were a thing back then. so that "advertising" would have backfired on me.

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@Caliboom.3218 said:Personally, I think F2P players should be able to get a basic horse mount. No engage, no special abilities, just being able to get faster to wherever they want.

At that point, they might as well just increase the overall movement rate across the board, but then that would also mean increasing the movement rate for mounts so we'd be back where we started... only faster.

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@Caliboom.3218 said:Personally, I think F2P players should be able to get a basic horse mount. No engage, no special abilities, just being able to get faster to wherever they want.

At that point, they might as well just increase the overall movement rate across the board, but then that would also mean increasing the movement rate for mounts so we'd be back where we started... only faster.

Make it unlockable by having to do a collection or by reaching level 20, or something like that...Problem solved, I guess? Raptor and Jackal would still be faster anyway because of their special abilities.

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@Caliboom.3218 said:Personally, I think F2P players should be able to get a basic horse mount. No engage, no special abilities, just being able to get faster to wherever they want.

Sounds like extra work for no reason other than to benefit F2P; bad business decision ... makes more sense just to give them the Raptor for nothing if you suggest this.

Honestly, there is almost no good reason to give F2P players free anything. The whole idea is that F2P is a carrot ... if just start slipping them other parts of the meal, the incentive becomes less to pay for a whole meal. Mounts were never necessary to play the game and not part of the core GW2 ... I see no reason to just start doling out the free stuff for ... what? The Op actually GIVES the reason this SHOULDN'T happen ... F2P shouldn't feel like they are getting a 'complete' game. That's the whole point.

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@"casualkenny.9817" said:The base raptor, with the short jump, no mob grab, and no boosted dmg, or an equivalent or slightly weaker mount ....

You feel that that's giving too much? The whole point of ftp accs is try-b4-u-buy advertising.

can only talk for myself but i think i would have dropped gw2 if mounts were a thing back then. so that "advertising" would have backfired on me.

i don't even know if you mean that you dislikes mounts, or that you would have disliked having base raptor in core map as a ftp player because abc, or something else.

i'm assuming its #2, because #1 is redundant, though it matches your phrasing better.

@everyone else

to me, ftp gw2 is nothing more than 90's shareware, horse or no horse. You play for a bit, then either quit due to all the play restrictions, or buy the full game. i feel like my opinion differs greatly from some of the other posters here.

i can say for sure that if i hadn't gotten 3 others to play it with me, i wouldn't have bought the game (and got them to buy it too). except that they have all quit now

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@casualkenny.9817 said:

@casualkenny.9817 said:The base raptor, with the short jump, no mob grab, and no boosted dmg, or an equivalent or slightly weaker mount ....

You feel that that's giving too much? The whole point of ftp accs is try-b4-u-buy advertising.

can only talk for myself but i think i would have dropped gw2 if mounts were a thing back then. so that "advertising" would have backfired on me.

i don't even know if you mean that you dislikes mounts, or that you would have disliked having base raptor in core map as a ftp player because abc, or something else.

i'm assuming its #2, because #1 is redundant, though it matches your phrasing better.

with access to a raptor i would have missed 99% of the game, seeing a pretty dull and narrow image and left before even trying to get immersed. core tyria is a lore place and meant to be visited slowly to show its beauty. there is no real challenge in these maps except stuff that is made for lvl 80s like dungeons or world bosses and this content isn't done a lot before lvl 80 anyways. but NPCs talking, special places and stuff is all gone when you woosh across the map and never knew it existed, because it isn't that usual for a MMORPG to have a vivid map, i for example started with metin2 where NPCs had exactly zero lore or use outside of your personal progression.you need to consider the expectations to the game, it might be "i want good fights" and nothing more because the last game had nothing more. then there is a raptor and you pass at light speed by everything interesting and find a map with pretty low mob density compared to your last game with a lot of 1v1 focus, say "meh" and quit.without the raptor you see the other aspects and it might just keep you long enough to get how this game works and like it, at least enough to play on.

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