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  • ShadowCatz.8437ShadowCatz.8437 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    @Halbarz.3854 said:
    To be honest Gw2 is already one of the most consumer-friendly games on the market. In my opinion, it is too much even.

    The warclaw is a must for wvw these days like or not, so making part of F2P would be great.
    In PvE it has little to no use, you can maybe run faster to a meta event but it would give people a taste of what's to come when they buy PoF.

    I don't buy these kind of arguments as an "old" GW2 player that have been playing WvW and PvE since before HoT came out (which added Gliding later into WvW), I would say that Gliding is more important in WvW as you can down faster to daily like Ruins and so on. Most reason people where kiled where from fall damage in both WvW and PvE content.

    New player need to learn how to build to compensate for Warclaw and that is even useful for players with Warclaw as you can get dismounted and it takes time get out-of-combat, in those situation leaning to use swiftness and superspeed among other tools until they get access to Warclaw will also teach new players from becoming easy targets later on.

  • @Kurrilino.2706 said:
    Isn't the whole idea of expansions to generate a huge amount of income to make it through the drought until next expansion?????

    Why would they give expansion stuff away for free.
    I mean we are talking what ? $29? I got thousands of hours out of those $29. There is no other hobby that comes close to that ratio.
    If you want to play a game, pay for it. What's wrong with you people?

    I can't believe you guy make me defend A-Net for once

    People can just tag (wishlist) on Steam when there will be a sale for GW2 and expansion, so there is no real reason go on about how GW2 need to change just for a group of Steam people would be willing to pay for anything. If something is listed on wishlist, then they will also get a mail when there is an offer on games that they have interest in. It is worse for us that have to be online on forum or check regular on site for any offer...when we are not playing for a short duration.

  • firedragon.8953firedragon.8953 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    No. Raptor is tied into PoF lore as well.

    Honestly, I think mounts should just stay a PoF thing. It's one of the main draws to purchase the expansions.

    However, if any mount should be allowed for F2P accounts, it is the Warclaw. It would also solve the "make the Warclaw more viable in PvE" and the "core Tyria mount" arguments too. The mount could technically be obtainable by anyone who can join WvW as well, so players could even get it before they hit level 10.

    Edit: I didn't know you had to be level 60 on a F2P account to do WvW.

  • Excursion.9752Excursion.9752 Member ✭✭✭✭

    No, Buy the game. That is a perk to owning PoF.

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  • I have seen a number of threads and some complaints in game from veteran and new players alike grinding through the lower levels. Some one beelines to an event on their raptor, skyscale, beetle, whatever. They do their attack dismount and murder everything before the newbie can manage to tag a single mob let alone arrive to the site of the even before it is completed or nearly completed. I'd argue that for balance's sake SOMETHING has to be done but we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. The core maps were absolutely not designed with mounts in mind, yet here they are, but I'm not sure I agree with restricting their use and taking away a player's freedom to use them in starter areas, especially after already completing the map a few times on foot.

    I do believe the solution is to either provide mount rental in these starter areas (and maybe allow the purchase of a basic one for gems after the rental period) or alternatively?

    Introduce the basic Moa as a f2p mount. Maybe it runs about as fast as a person with the quickness or superspeed boon. No masteries for it or real special abilities, but maybe a double jump of some sort at absolutely most (at the cost of both its adrenaline bars,) just slightly higher than the raptor's for clearing obstacles but absolutely no long distance leaping. The idea would be for it to be something juuuust barely fast enough to help them keep up with the veteran players while not outclassing the raptor or jackal. It also wouldn't exactly help them cheese any of the vistas, POIs, etc either, just get around a little bit quicker.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Playing through Core zones, completing heart quests and story lines, ought to generate enough experience to level toons. The rushing events on mounts usually refers to more open content (daily events, escort events) that aren't really required to level. Can these mounted rider be annoying and selfish? Absolutely, but they don't prevent players from completing enough content to level.

    Rental mounts are not needed and could dis-incentivize players from working toward current mounts.

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  • Solanum.6983Solanum.6983 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't think they should, Core Tyria was designed with no mounts I think it's fine as is. Yes it can be hard to keep up with other players during an event but there's not many events where you need to travel long distances.
    Besides the expansions are pretty cheap at €30 for both and given the sheer amount of content they each have It is definitely worth it.

  • ASP.8093ASP.8093 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2020

    I think the thing that makes the "core" experience feel slow is that there's like 15 hearts and 30 POIs to do per map (as opposed to, say, 0-5 hearts in recent maps), more so than anything to do with your movement speed. You're spending a lot of time on a single starter map, then hours on the next map in the level band, &c., interspersed with personal story, even though it doesn't take a lot of time to get anywhere because you do have ample waypoints.

  • Atomos.7593Atomos.7593 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Just make mount access purchasable on the GS, but certainly don't start handing out game features for nothing.

    Interesting idea. Maybe even a temporary access purchasable on the gem store for cheap so f2p players can get an idea of how useful the mounts are.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jagblade.4627 said:
    I have seen a number of threads and some complaints in game from veteran and new players alike grinding through the lower levels. Some one beelines to an event on their raptor, skyscale, beetle, whatever. They do their attack dismount and murder everything before the newbie can manage to tag a single mob let alone arrive to the site of the even before it is completed or nearly completed. I'd argue that for balance's sake SOMETHING has to be done but we're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    This same thing happened before mounts.

  • @Shiyo.3578 said:
    No, and the game shouldn't be F2P to begin with.

    without F2P i would never have played this game and payed money for it. F2P is a good thing for the player and the company.

    @casualkenny.9817 said:
    The base raptor, with the short jump, no mob grab, and no boosted dmg, or an equivalent or slightly weaker mount ....

    You feel that that's giving too much? The whole point of ftp accs is try-b4-u-buy advertising.

    can only talk for myself but i think i would have dropped gw2 if mounts were a thing back then. so that "advertising" would have backfired on me.

  • NO,f2p players should not get raptor for free

  • No.

    F2p needs some incentive to become part of the player base. The entire map of Tyria can be completed with zero mounts or gemstore perks.

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  • How about no.

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  • Nope.. Why should they

  • Personally, I think F2P players should be able to get a basic horse mount. No engage, no special abilities, just being able to get faster to wherever they want.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Caliboom.3218 said:
    Personally, I think F2P players should be able to get a basic horse mount. No engage, no special abilities, just being able to get faster to wherever they want.

    At that point, they might as well just increase the overall movement rate across the board, but then that would also mean increasing the movement rate for mounts so we'd be back where we started... only faster.

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  • @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Caliboom.3218 said:
    Personally, I think F2P players should be able to get a basic horse mount. No engage, no special abilities, just being able to get faster to wherever they want.

    At that point, they might as well just increase the overall movement rate across the board, but then that would also mean increasing the movement rate for mounts so we'd be back where we started... only faster.

    Make it unlockable by having to do a collection or by reaching level 20, or something like that...Problem solved, I guess? Raptor and Jackal would still be faster anyway because of their special abilities.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2020

    @Caliboom.3218 said:
    Personally, I think F2P players should be able to get a basic horse mount. No engage, no special abilities, just being able to get faster to wherever they want.

    Sounds like extra work for no reason other than to benefit F2P; bad business decision ... makes more sense just to give them the Raptor for nothing if you suggest this.

    Honestly, there is almost no good reason to give F2P players free anything. The whole idea is that F2P is a carrot ... if just start slipping them other parts of the meal, the incentive becomes less to pay for a whole meal. Mounts were never necessary to play the game and not part of the core GW2 ... I see no reason to just start doling out the free stuff for ... what? The Op actually GIVES the reason this SHOULDN'T happen ... F2P shouldn't feel like they are getting a 'complete' game. That's the whole point.

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  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2020

    If they just need speed to reach events then how about an NPC at core map portals who gives an X minute running speed buff, like the speed buff NPCs in the cities.

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  • casualkenny.9817casualkenny.9817 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2020

    @casualkenny.9817 said:
    The base raptor, with the short jump, no mob grab, and no boosted dmg, or an equivalent or slightly weaker mount ....

    You feel that that's giving too much? The whole point of ftp accs is try-b4-u-buy advertising.

    can only talk for myself but i think i would have dropped gw2 if mounts were a thing back then. so that "advertising" would have backfired on me.

    i don't even know if you mean that you dislikes mounts, or that you would have disliked having base raptor in core map as a ftp player because abc, or something else.

    i'm assuming its #2, because #1 is redundant, though it matches your phrasing better.

    @everyone else

    to me, ftp gw2 is nothing more than 90's shareware, horse or no horse. You play for a bit, then either quit due to all the play restrictions, or buy the full game. i feel like my opinion differs greatly from some of the other posters here.

    i can say for sure that if i hadn't gotten 3 others to play it with me, i wouldn't have bought the game (and got them to buy it too). except that they have all quit now

  • @casualkenny.9817 said:

    @casualkenny.9817 said:
    The base raptor, with the short jump, no mob grab, and no boosted dmg, or an equivalent or slightly weaker mount ....

    You feel that that's giving too much? The whole point of ftp accs is try-b4-u-buy advertising.

    can only talk for myself but i think i would have dropped gw2 if mounts were a thing back then. so that "advertising" would have backfired on me.

    i don't even know if you mean that you dislikes mounts, or that you would have disliked having base raptor in core map as a ftp player because abc, or something else.

    i'm assuming its #2, because #1 is redundant, though it matches your phrasing better.

    with access to a raptor i would have missed 99% of the game, seeing a pretty dull and narrow image and left before even trying to get immersed. core tyria is a lore place and meant to be visited slowly to show its beauty. there is no real challenge in these maps except stuff that is made for lvl 80s like dungeons or world bosses and this content isn't done a lot before lvl 80 anyways. but NPCs talking, special places and stuff is all gone when you woosh across the map and never knew it existed, because it isn't that usual for a MMORPG to have a vivid map, i for example started with metin2 where NPCs had exactly zero lore or use outside of your personal progression.
    you need to consider the expectations to the game, it might be "i want good fights" and nothing more because the last game had nothing more. then there is a raptor and you pass at light speed by everything interesting and find a map with pretty low mob density compared to your last game with a lot of 1v1 focus, say "meh" and quit.
    without the raptor you see the other aspects and it might just keep you long enough to get how this game works and like it, at least enough to play on.

  • Kichwas.7152Kichwas.7152 Member ✭✭✭

    No.

    I feel mounts changed the game negatively.

    I personally wish they were not available to be used outside of Path of Fire and content that comes after it.

    The lack of mounts was a feature for Guild Wars. So many things that took time and practice to do or reach can now be skipped in seconds with a mount. Heart of Thorns in particular - once extremely challenging locales that forced you to learn to get better, are now trivial.

    Before mounts, there was more of a sense of moving around the game.
    The layout of PoF zones is just different - things where done to accentuate the use of mounts. The layout of prior zones was more crammed in because of their lack. Mounts made everything before PoF too small...

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  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kichwas.7152 said:

    Before mounts, there was more of a sense of moving around the game.
    The layout of PoF zones is just different - things where done to accentuate the use of mounts. The layout of prior zones was more crammed in because of their lack. Mounts made everything before PoF too small...

    I never really understood this point. Just because a player has mounts doesn't mean that he/she must use them in pre-PoF zones.

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  • dusanyu.4057dusanyu.4057 Member ✭✭✭

    if you want mounts get PoF it's not that darn expensive and honestly you don't need mounts in the core maps

  • SLOTH.5231SLOTH.5231 Member ✭✭✭

    NO just NO. You guys already get the core game free. You guys seem to forget some of us actually had to pay for the game like 8 years ago. No more free rides.

  • Any mmo sucks without mounts, period. I could not stand this game at launch. Mounts are part of the mmo experience. I came back after HOT launched and that experience, no mounts had me quit again lol. That map is one of the worst experiences in gaming...on foot. Once I had all my mounts, the game is amazingly fun now, including HOT.

    This game has lost MANY paying customers due to lack of mounts. Every last person I brought to the game has quit and they often state how it sucks getting around on foot while everyone else is blasting by you on mounts. I say, don't worry, after you do a series of foolish collections/hurdles/pay gates/etc, you too will have a mount and then you will be entitled to make posts about not allowing mounts for the peons just because you no-life'd your way into mounts.

    Make them pay (I believe in supporting this great game), but get them a basic mount from the get go.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Skiravor.1257 said:
    Any mmo sucks without mounts, period. I could not stand this game at launch. Mounts are part of the mmo experience. I came back after HOT launched and that experience, no mounts had me quit again lol. That map is one of the worst experiences in gaming...on foot. Once I had all my mounts, the game is amazingly fun now, including HOT.

    Debatable. It comes down to player preferences.

    This game has lost MANY paying customers due to lack of mounts.

    Source?

    Every last person I brought to the game has quit and they often state how it sucks getting around on foot while everyone else is blasting by you on mounts.

    They really quit over that? They likely were F2P players then, and if they were unwilling to buy the expansions like everyone else did, well..

    I say, don't worry, after you do a series of foolish collections/hurdles/pay gates/etc, you too will have a mount and then you will be entitled to make posts about not allowing mounts for the peons just because you no-life'd your way into mounts.

    It takes 8 hours of gameplay to unlock raptor, skimmer, springer, and sand jackal. Griffon and beetle have collections but they’re not all that time-consuming. Skyscale collections take slightly longer.

    Make them pay (I believe in supporting this great game), but get them a basic mount from the get go.

    Mounts are an expansion feature. The first mount being awarded before even completing the first story episode of PoF.

  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    This game has lost MANY paying customers due to lack of mounts.

    Source?

    For me, its the six people I brought to this game. One person, I even bought the game for as he was a starving student. They all left citing these same things. When I see video's about gw2 being worth it in 2019/2020, etc. I often see comments about this in the responses.

    Your opinion is your own, you feel you are the defender of the game, I get it. I disagree with you. Anet makes some decent decisions for its very small player base of veterans, but otherwise, they don't make good decisions for bringing in new players which is why they are practically being forced to go steam. Then the published numbers from steam will tell a more true tale.

    Takes 8 hours?...................................................................

    How much gold? Does that 8hrs take that into account as well? Of course not. You being disingenuous only supports the viewpoints of the small percentage of veterans who enjoy their elite status.

  • @Skiravor.1257 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    This game has lost MANY paying customers due to lack of mounts.

    Source?

    Takes 8 hours?...................................................................

    How much gold? Does that 8hrs take that into account as well? Of course not. You being disingenuous only supports the viewpoints of the small percentage of veterans who enjoy their elite status.

    8 hours sounds quite a lot for those actually and is probably due to the raptor T3 requirement on springer/skimmer

    gold? needed currency for all 4 basic mounts is 25 gold + 300 trade contracts. if you skip the jackal it is just 5 gold + 100 trade contracts. it's not a lot. most players will have spare 5 gold, maybe after selling some mats from their storage maybe already in their pockets. at lvl 80 you should almost always have 5 gold available.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 17, 2020

    @Skiravor.1257 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    This game has lost MANY paying customers due to lack of mounts.

    Source?

    For me, its the six people I brought to this game. One person, I even bought the game for as he was a starving student. They all left citing these same things. When I see video's about gw2 being worth it in 2019/2020, etc. I often see comments about this in the responses.

    The game has hundreds of thousands of players. Six people is fairly far from “many”.

    Your opinion is your own, you feel you are the defender of the game, I get it. I disagree with you. Anet makes some decent decisions for its very small player base of veterans, but otherwise, they don't make good decisions for bringing in new players which is why they are practically being forced to go steam. Then the published numbers from steam will tell a more true tale.

    The only part of my post that I made that was opinion would be what constitutes time-consuming. There have been players are have called anything which they could not obtain right away as being “time-consuming” or a “grind”.

    I’m not necessarily defending the game; I’m simply disagreeing with you.

    Takes 8 hours?...................................................................

    Yes. I played PoF the minute it went live and had the jackal about an hour before daily reset. I was also making it my focus to obtain the mounts right away so I was doing every event that I could find and tagging as many enemies as I could.

    How much gold? Does that 8hrs take that into account as well? Of course not. You being disingenuous only supports the viewpoints of the small percentage of veterans who enjoy their elite status.

    It’s 25G for all four. Hardly an issue. That’s about an hour of farming if you didn’t already have it and not counting any earned while unlocking the mounts.

  • Atomos.7593Atomos.7593 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I found there are only 4 mounts needed for the PoF onward maps. Raptor (to unlock the springer), springer (for vertical exploration), skimmer (to get through brandstorms and quicksand), and jackal (for sand portals/bridges). All of these are easy and quick to unlock imo.

  • @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Skiravor.1257 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    This game has lost MANY paying customers due to lack of mounts.

    Source?

    For me, its the six people I brought to this game. One person, I even bought the game for as he was a starving student. They all left citing these same things. When I see video's about gw2 being worth it in 2019/2020, etc. I often see comments about this in the responses.

    The game has hundreds of thousands of players. Six people is fairly far from “many”.

    Please read my post about 6, as that is my personal friends I was trying to bring into this game from a gaming guild.

    Your opinion is your own, you feel you are the defender of the game, I get it. I disagree with you. Anet makes some decent decisions for its very small player base of veterans, but otherwise, they don't make good decisions for bringing in new players which is why they are practically being forced to go steam. Then the published numbers from steam will tell a more true tale.

    The only part of my post that I made that was opinion would be what constitutes time-consuming. There have been players are have called anything which they could not obtain right away as being “time-consuming” or a “grind”.

    I’m not necessarily defending the game; I’m simply disagreeing with you.

    Takes 8 hours?...................................................................

    Yes, many people forget what it was like starting this game. Its been a long time. Now Anet see the numbers and steam is clearly needed to try to bring in players. Hopefully, there will be something to keep them interested enough to grind up to what makes the game fun.

    I'll still be there, in verdant brink, reviving new players running around on foot getting smoked by...everything. lol

  • I'm all for giving people a free kitty mount, especially for WvW (and I don't even do PvP,) but I'm not going to be offended if they have it in PvE just because I paid for PoF. Like, mists, people, get over yourselves. Most of y'all are riding around on freaking dragons anyway. A cat's got nothing on that. They can't even properly compete with a raptor, arguably the most basic, entry level mount.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Skiravor.1257 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Skiravor.1257 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    This game has lost MANY paying customers due to lack of mounts.

    Source?

    For me, its the six people I brought to this game. One person, I even bought the game for as he was a starving student. They all left citing these same things. When I see video's about gw2 being worth it in 2019/2020, etc. I often see comments about this in the responses.

    The game has hundreds of thousands of players. Six people is fairly far from “many”.

    Please read my post about 6, as that is my personal friends I was trying to bring into this game from a gaming guild.

    When I asked for your source for you saying “the game has lost MANY paying customers due to lack of mounts“ those six were what you responded with.

  • casualkenny.9817casualkenny.9817 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2020

    @WorldofBay.8160 said:

    @casualkenny.9817 said:

    @casualkenny.9817 said:
    The base raptor, with the short jump, no mob grab, and no boosted dmg, or an equivalent or slightly weaker mount ....

    You feel that that's giving too much? The whole point of ftp accs is try-b4-u-buy advertising.

    can only talk for myself but i think i would have dropped gw2 if mounts were a thing back then. so that "advertising" would have backfired on me.

    i don't even know if you mean that you dislikes mounts, or that you would have disliked having base raptor in core map as a ftp player because abc, or something else.

    i'm assuming its #2, because #1 is redundant, though it matches your phrasing better.

    with access to a raptor i would have missed 99% of the game, seeing a pretty dull and narrow image and left before even trying to get immersed. core tyria is a lore place and meant to be visited slowly to show its beauty. there is no real challenge in these maps except stuff that is made for lvl 80s like dungeons or world bosses and this content isn't done a lot before lvl 80 anyways. but NPCs talking, special places and stuff is all gone when you woosh across the map and never knew it existed, because it isn't that usual for a MMORPG to have a vivid map, i for example started with metin2 where NPCs had exactly zero lore or use outside of your personal progression.
    you need to consider the expectations to the game, it might be "i want good fights" and nothing more because the last game had nothing more. then there is a raptor and you pass at light speed by everything interesting and find a map with pretty low mob density compared to your last game with a lot of 1v1 focus, say "meh" and quit.
    without the raptor you see the other aspects and it might just keep you long enough to get how this game works and like it, at least enough to play on.

    Thanks for your full reply. I'll reply later (in this post) when I'm home from work

    edit: really sry, currently having an episode these few weeks and avoiding human contact

  • @Atomos.7593 said:
    I found there are only 4 mounts needed for the PoF onward maps. Raptor (to unlock the springer), springer (for vertical exploration), skimmer (to get through brandstorms and quicksand), and jackal (for sand portals/bridges). All of these are easy and quick to unlock imo.

    well those are actually all of the normal mounts.
    griffon is pretty much the final prize for being a hero in PoF and will make things easier (there are also 2 griffon mastery points but you get them via bond of faith and a combination of the basic mounts).
    roller beetle is made for the open desert of kourna but never necessary as it only extends speed but gives no new option as it is the only mount without any self-induced air time and thus cannot jump/fly anywhere. beetle doors usually only contain chests not worth it and other players can open them for you.
    the skyscale is the jack-of-all-trades, nowhere best (well, afk'ing in a hostile area ...) but no weakness either (well maybe the big ocean parts in orr where it'll eventually fall into the see)

  • Atomos.7593Atomos.7593 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @WorldofBay.8160 said:

    @Atomos.7593 said:
    I found there are only 4 mounts needed for the PoF onward maps. Raptor (to unlock the springer), springer (for vertical exploration), skimmer (to get through brandstorms and quicksand), and jackal (for sand portals/bridges). All of these are easy and quick to unlock imo.

    well those are actually all of the normal mounts.
    griffon is pretty much the final prize for being a hero in PoF and will make things easier (there are also 2 griffon mastery points but you get them via bond of faith and a combination of the basic mounts).
    roller beetle is made for the open desert of kourna but never necessary as it only extends speed but gives no new option as it is the only mount without any self-induced air time and thus cannot jump/fly anywhere. beetle doors usually only contain chests not worth it and other players can open them for you.
    the skyscale is the jack-of-all-trades, nowhere best (well, afk'ing in a hostile area ...) but no weakness either (well maybe the big ocean parts in orr where it'll eventually fall into the see)

    Those are the mounts that are needed. I was able to play on every map perfectly fine without griffon, roller beetle and skyscale. These 3 offer convenience but are not needed to be able to play in the maps from PoF onwards. Springer is a requirement for the PoF story and is therefore needed to keep progressing in it. Skimmer is necessary to go through brandstorms and quicksand, otherwise you will take heavy damage and die before you can reach destinations, etc.

  • @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    WvW doesn't unlock for Play4Free players until L60.
    Thus, I'm not sure access to the Warclaw will keep those players lamenting the loss of a Mount for leveling up, etc.

    You get mounts at level 80 (unless someone is helping you with there PoF-story).

    So you are complaining that this way the FTP may get the mount too early?

  • I am not. The post is in response to the suggestion regarding 'new' Play4Free players getting a Warclaw to help them level up.

  • Harak.8397Harak.8397 Member ✭✭✭

    We got mounts when the maps required them. It's not needed for the FTP experience, in fact it might even be detrimental as bolting around on a raptor might make them skip stuff like event triggers, etc. Regardless, not my monkey and not my circus but I don't think it's necessary. (and it's an incentive to get the expansion)

  • @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Kichwas.7152 said:

    Before mounts, there was more of a sense of moving around the game.
    The layout of PoF zones is just different - things where done to accentuate the use of mounts. The layout of prior zones was more crammed in because of their lack. Mounts made everything before PoF too small...

    I never really understood this point. Just because a player has mounts doesn't mean that he/she must use them in pre-PoF zones.

    Then new players don't really need mounts, and neither do F2P players? It's not like they're required for Core Tyria.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 20, 2020

    @Skiravor.1257 said:
    Yes, many people forget what it was like starting this game. Its been a long time. Now Anet see the numbers and steam is clearly needed to try to bring in players. Hopefully, there will be something to keep them interested enough to grind up to what makes the game fun.

    Let's inject some logic here. We were ALL new players and somehow, those of us that stayed and got PoF got our mounts. Also, many of us managed to play this game for many years without them. In otherwords, any appeal to players being 'new' is rather meaningless when talking about getting mounts. If mounts and how difficult they are to get is what prevents people from staying or picking up the game, those players are fickle and won't be interested in this game anyways.

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    Just step aside or you might end up in a heap

  • @casualkenny.9817 said:

    @WorldofBay.8160 said:

    @casualkenny.9817 said:

    @casualkenny.9817 said:
    The base raptor, with the short jump, no mob grab, and no boosted dmg, or an equivalent or slightly weaker mount ....

    You feel that that's giving too much? The whole point of ftp accs is try-b4-u-buy advertising.

    can only talk for myself but i think i would have dropped gw2 if mounts were a thing back then. so that "advertising" would have backfired on me.

    i don't even know if you mean that you dislikes mounts, or that you would have disliked having base raptor in core map as a ftp player because abc, or something else.

    i'm assuming its #2, because #1 is redundant, though it matches your phrasing better.

    with access to a raptor i would have missed 99% of the game, seeing a pretty dull and narrow image and left before even trying to get immersed. core tyria is a lore place and meant to be visited slowly to show its beauty. there is no real challenge in these maps except stuff that is made for lvl 80s like dungeons or world bosses and this content isn't done a lot before lvl 80 anyways. but NPCs talking, special places and stuff is all gone when you woosh across the map and never knew it existed, because it isn't that usual for a MMORPG to have a vivid map, i for example started with metin2 where NPCs had exactly zero lore or use outside of your personal progression.
    you need to consider the expectations to the game, it might be "i want good fights" and nothing more because the last game had nothing more. then there is a raptor and you pass at light speed by everything interesting and find a map with pretty low mob density compared to your last game with a lot of 1v1 focus, say "meh" and quit.
    without the raptor you see the other aspects and it might just keep you long enough to get how this game works and like it, at least enough to play on.

    Thanks for your full reply. I'll reply later (in this post) when I'm home from work

    you should really think about moving closer to your work, that is a pretty long way home you got :-)

  • Funny to me how cheap people can be you buy one expansion get the core game free plus the first expansion free, and get to play the game as much as you want for guess what FREE. But no you want a free mount to play with the free to try game.

  • pay $15 and help support the game

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shiyo.3578 said:

    @Firebeard.1746 said:
    I kinda feel like they should. GW2 didn't really feel complete for me until mounts were released. Obviously the masteries for it and other mounts should be gated behind PoF, but I feel anet isn't putting their best foot forward not letting players experience mounts at all at steam release. Perhaps it should be a leveling reward (like 10, 20 or 40).

    No, and the game shouldn't be F2P to begin with.

    This right here. The amount of gold seller spam (even with the restrictions) and people that join our guilds, play a week, and never show up again, has gone up exponentially since F2P became a thing. F2P should end at level 10, after that, buy the game.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], [RaW][TACO] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • @Firebeard.1746 said:
    I kinda feel like they should. GW2 didn't really feel complete for me until mounts were released. Obviously the masteries for it and other mounts should be gated behind PoF, but I feel anet isn't putting their best foot forward not letting players experience mounts at all at steam release. Perhaps it should be a leveling reward (like 10, 20 or 40).

    Nah

    Nothing says "buy the pof expansion" like wanting to move across maps faster