Balancing outliers

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@"RisenHowl.2419" said:

Weaver's still got damage, not particularly hard to learn. Start off in marauders and swap in berserker pieces as you get comfortable with the defensive cds

and rev does as much damage AND pushes boons like there is no tomorrow at the same time, has weapon swap and works in rage AND melee.

[urd.8306]

Fun thread. Good points of balancing issues being made and suddenly people de-railing it with "but we gotta nerf Necromancer first".

[Straegen.2938]

Necro is incredibly balanced otherwise they would dominate large scale meta.... oh wait.

Ever fight a bunker Condi Necro in small scale? Two health bars that require obscene amounts of damage to get through while they casually land tons of condi... dire and trailblazer needs to be deleted from the game. Elementalists these days aren't far behind.

[urd.8306]

And you condi cleanse them, kite them and kill them. Thanks for the statement.

[KrHome.1920]

@Straegen.2938 said:Necro is incredibly balanced otherwise they would dominate large scale meta.... oh wait.

Ever fight a bunker Condi Necro in small scale? Two health bars that require obscene amounts of damage to get through while they casually land tons of condi... dire and trailblazer needs to be deleted from the game. Elementalists these days aren't far behind.Obscene amounts of damage is a laughable statement. Maybe if you don't have one single condi cleanse equipped. Core necro has the lowest pressure in the game.

And you forgot boonbeasts, condi trapper druids, condi thieves no matter which spec they run and bunker scrapper. There exists even a bunker spellbreaker and a bunker condi berserker build. They all scale better with outnumbered situations as they avoid more damage than they facetank and they all have far better mobility than core necro. And none of these builds deals less damage than trailblazer core necro.

I think people focus their hate on core necro (even though this build is definitely killable, the fight is just a huge time sink) because they hit it and it just tanks the damage (which is intended class design), while the other bunker builds look like they are outplaying them, which is not the case. Pretty much every bunker build is easy to play.

[ArchonWing.9480]

@Straegen.2938 said:Necro is incredibly balanced otherwise they would dominate large scale meta.... oh wait.

Ever fight a bunker Condi Necro in small scale? Two health bars that require obscene amounts of damage to get through while they casually land tons of condi... dire and trailblazer needs to be deleted from the game. Elementalists these days aren't far behind.

Necro is strong in large scale (lots of pulsing AOE) for different reasons-- it's a different build entirely and most certainly not a bunker.

As for bunker necro in small scale, yes they are stupid, but usually in team fights, you can just bat the necro away with CC and kill everyone else, then simply outnumber the necro to death. This is usually why bringing a bunker to a team fight is a bad idea unless it's a support. But there are at least 5-6 more annoying things than them. But, small scale in general is kinda stupid anyways with all the bunker/mounts/mobility/run away so that's just the state of pve balance. in addition to anyone you actually fight is either caught off guard, doing dailies, or knows they have a decisive advantage over you before they will engage.

Oh ok, there's the 1% of players that actually wants to fight but then are forced away because they'll just get blobbed down.