1 dodge in WVW is just.... terrible

[scerevisiae.1972]

@Zhaid Zhem.6508 said:Sigil of energy, food +40% endurance regen, runes of firework or Adventurer. + all the mirage cloaks.If you complain about how condibunker mirage, even power ones, is terrible to play in wvw, try pvp.Trailblazer/dire/etc mirages are still cancer in wvw, but yes, you need gimmicks, everything in WvW is about gimmicks ; infuz, food, runes with +25% BD or CD, etc. If you can't have a dodge every ~6 seconds average, you're doing it bad.

thing is, i tried a double greatsword, double energy sigil + sigil of stamina mirage, 40% energy regen food and with all mirage mirror utilities and it still SUCKS HARD in WVW.

by comparison, you can run a flamethrower or bomb kit scrapper and press literally 1 button (shredder gyro) and autoattack and consistently top DPS meters as well as be super survivable because of constant, self-renewing 10K+ barrier. i don't resent scrappers being able to do this though, because engies were garbage in WVW for years before the well changes.

mirage however was below average when it had 2 dodges and yet was nerfed to 1 dodge when it's a dodge-based specialisation. so so bad.

[Salt Mode.3780]

Lol condi mirage is a dismissible class when it comes to condi application, the bulk of the condi application is mostly on clone staff IH which btw can be dodge and avoided. The biggest issue with condi mirage in wvw and roaming in general is tht they dont have any good engage now what does that mean? It simply means u stay u die u run they cant chase u.

U talk about dueling, mesmers were made to duel tht was their selling point. The fact of the matter is at this current age of gw2 power mesmers do not have the sustain to out sustain any other power builds. Its mostly u miss a burst u r as good as dead. Not to mention clones has always been a gimmicky form of dmg now tht they die super quick to AoE.

Now lets compare the condi classes tht can chase u down: Rangers, Thieves, Rev to some extent, Guards (mostly condi DH cuz trapper runes fun af) r the classes tht can chase u and lock u down. FYI all these condi classes will def fck u up harder then mirage can. Maybe not condi guard but they r on the higher end of burst.

Also fact tht there r soo many condi cleanses in the game i mean FFS sigil of cleansing cleans 3 condi on weapon swap lol.

Now mirage in general the dodge timer is a fixed 8 sec even with food and vigor. We all know the devs dont listen to their playerbase why is this even being continued lol.

[lare.5129]

I think thats one dodge is very good, or may be to big gift for mesmer. We need some exclusive view and ELITARE for our mesmer, and some good nerf is decease population of that class.Do we want see mesmer on each 5th group on meta blob ? No. We already have perfect classes. So as foe me this way to out mesmer is ok.

[Salt Mode.3780]

I dont know what kind of bubble you are in but whatever you are smoking i would like some 2....mesmer is by far the least perfect class and i would rather them scrap the whole class and remake.

[Arolandis.8360]

Even now I still think 1 dodge is the worst thing they did to the spec. I would've rather of had Ambush nerfs or something., because 1 dodge just 'feels' awful. No class should only have 1 dodge.

Edit: imo if they're going to keep a nerf this huge on the class, they should revert other previous nerfs.

[Salt Mode.3780]

Dont forget its a 1 dodge on a fixed 8 second timer with food and vigor lel on a class tht is suppose to rely on dodges cuz all its usable traits calls for it. Clearly the dev team don't play their game enough to know what to balance or chance or have any clue how they should balance this has been apparent with the current classes dominating the meta right now.

[Dadnir.5038]

@Salt Mode.3780 said:Dont forget its a 1 dodge on a fixed 8 second timer with food and vigor lel on a class tht is suppose to rely on dodges cuz all its usable traits calls for it. Clearly the dev team don't play their game enough to know what to balance or chance or have any clue how they should balance this has been apparent with the current classes dominating the meta right now.

Can't help it, ANet designed the some mirage skills to leave a bundle on the floor that make the mirage dodge. So instead of removing this cluncky thing that created the imbalanced number of dodge in the first place they chose to remove half the endurance bar... Bundle forever! I don't know who in the dev team have a bundle fetish but I'm pretty sure he/she was responsible for revenant's ventarii/salvation and mirage's design.

[Leonidrex.5649]

@Dadnir.5038 said:

@"Salt Mode.3780" said:Dont forget its a 1 dodge on a fixed 8 second timer with food and vigor lel on a class tht is suppose to rely on dodges cuz all its usable traits calls for it. Clearly the dev team don't play their game enough to know what to balance or chance or have any clue how they should balance this has been apparent with the current classes dominating the meta right now.

Can't help it, ANet designed the some mirage skills to leave a bundle on the floor that make the mirage dodge. So instead of removing this cluncky thing that created the imbalanced number of dodge in the first place they chose to remove half the endurance bar... Bundle forever! I don't know who in the dev team have a bundle fetish but I'm pretty sure he/she was responsible for revenant's ventarii/salvation and mirage's design.

problem is that those "bundle" skills are fucking useless anyways. only good one is the healing skill and thats cuz its fast cast that heals most and gives vigor.

[Zraurum.8493]

After the nerf of the condi mirage, pvp ended for me last year, the community silently accepted this well enjoy one dodge

[Leonidrex.5649]

@Zraurum.8493 said:After the nerf of the condi mirage, pvp ended for me last year, the community silently accepted this well enjoy one dodge

not silently, people praised them to high heavens.now instead of fighting noodle with lots of dmg that when hit dies they fight holo/reapers that have more dmg and dont die even when hit

[Hackuuna.4085]

@scerevisiae.1972 said:

@Zhaid Zhem.6508 said:Sigil of energy, food +40% endurance regen, runes of firework or Adventurer. + all the mirage cloaks.If you complain about how condibunker mirage, even power ones, is terrible to play in wvw, try pvp.Trailblazer/dire/etc mirages are still cancer in wvw, but yes, you need gimmicks, everything in WvW is about gimmicks ; infuz, food, runes with +25% BD or CD, etc. If you can't have a dodge every ~6 seconds average, you're doing it bad.

thing is, i tried a double greatsword, double energy sigil + sigil of stamina mirage, 40% energy regen food and with all mirage mirror utilities and it still SUCKS HARD in WVW.

by comparison, you can run a flamethrower or bomb kit scrapper and press literally 1 button (shredder gyro) and autoattack and consistently top DPS meters as well as be super survivable because of constant, self-renewing 10K+ barrier. i don't resent scrappers being able to do this though, because engies were garbage in WVW for years before the well changes.

mirage however was below average when it had 2 dodges and yet was nerfed to 1 dodge when it's a dodge-based specialisation. so so bad.

One thing that really hurts 1 dodge in WvW is that energy sigil overfills endurance now. Being that you only have 1 dodge, you can't really afford to use it offensively, and losing a ton of energy on sigil swaps means you're at an even greater energy debt than before.

[XenesisII.1540]

@Zraurum.8493 said:After the nerf of the condi mirage, pvp ended for me last year, the community silently accepted this well enjoy one dodge

I mean.. every other class community has been bandwagon calling for mesmer nerfs since day one and now they've been shut up, the devs don't even want to work on mesmers, what is the mesmer community suppose to do now? reroll to a more useful/powerful class or move on...

[Mouse.7382]

@XenesisII.1540 said:

@Zraurum.8493 said:After the nerf of the condi mirage, pvp ended for me last year, the community silently accepted this well enjoy one dodge

I mean.. every other class community has been bandwagon calling for mesmer nerfs since day one and now they've been shut up, the devs don't even want to work on mesmers, what is the mesmer community suppose to do now? reroll to a more useful/powerful class or move on...

That probably is the goal. I detest it, as my mirage is my main. I truthfully do not see any positive changes to the class, until the xpac is released, with possibly new elites--and that is at least a year+ out.

I have already leveled/geared out 2 other professions as a placeholder (Healbrand & Teef). It does not feel the same, and I find myself playing less because of it. The ONLY time I have ever been wanted for cdps is CM100.

In MMOs....METAS come and go, and I get that...but the duration of the pendulum swings in this game is far too long--as bad as mesmer has been in relation to other classes up until this point is disheartening--but knowing that, mostly likely, the BUFFS that may come are way, will not be until the XPAC, and that is a long way away.

[XenesisII.1540]

@Mouse.7382 said:That probably is the goal. I detest it, as my mirage is my main. I truthfully do not see any positive changes to the class, until the xpac is released, with possibly new elites--and that is at least a year+ out.

I have already leveled/geared out 2 other professions as a placeholder (Healbrand & Teef). It does not feel the same, and I find myself playing less because of it. The ONLY time I have ever been wanted for cdps is CM100.

In MMOs....METAS come and go, and I get that...but the duration of the pendulum swings in this game is far too long--as bad as mesmer has been in relation to other classes up until this point is disheartening--but knowing that, mostly likely, the BUFFS that may come are way, will not be until the XPAC, and that is a long way away.

And then I have no doubt that new elite will get the same exact treatment as the last two mesmer elites, nerfed to the ground because clueless players who can't even handle the basic clones for the class will continue to complain.

So what's the point of even hoping for that to turn things around either. They're more willing to break a class to appease everyone else, instead of actually adjusting/fixing it, while saying they want to make as much specs as viable as possible, lol.

[Salt Mode.3780]

pretty much sums up the life of mesmer = intro to weird mechanics, OP builds made, nerf to the ground, wait till next expac. There is no buffs in between because its all nerfs.

[Zraurum.8493]

@XenesisII.1540 said:

@Zraurum.8493 said:After the nerf of the condi mirage, pvp ended for me last year, the community silently accepted this well enjoy one dodge

I mean.. every other class community has been bandwagon calling for mesmer nerfs since day one and now they've been shut up, the devs don't even want to work on mesmers, what is the mesmer community suppose to do now? reroll to a more useful/powerful class or move on...

I asked the developers to return everything as it was for which I received complete disregard, the rest did not even do that. I also suggested - if you destroy a class, give a scroll to reroll the class because some alternative will appear, if you are already making fatal changes unilaterally, then give me at least a choice. Personally, I stopped participating as a mesmer in pvp, as I am against the changes made, if the mesmer is cut in pvp, I'll just quit the game. What should the mesmer community do? Achieve that they return back not only the second dodge, but also everything that was before the fatal last nerf, namely the full condi build, or ignore any pvp events, as I do.Or you can silently agree to all nerfs and class changes for the worse, the community does it best

[Bigpapasmurf.5623]

As a dps mirage main before it became a one dodge meme, I still play it every once in a while despite.

I still see mesmers, however its uncommon I find any that are decent. DPS wise good ones are very rare. I am a roamer/small scale runner and out if all unique encounters, maybe like 8-ish percent are a mes of some sort. Out of those, maybe 85ish percent are not mirage.

If the would give the 2nd dodge back even as agrandmaster trait, id be happy to take it.

Note: may also be the server im on in what I see as I am on ebay.

[Aeolus.3615]

Probem with mesmer is that core or elite spec is tied to clones and powercreeo or gimmick builds, there isnt a decent tough on what class should do when classes are made.

Chrono could be tweaked and balanced towards alacrity or quickness depending the traits but never both at the same time, shield and wells needs something they are lacking.Wells feel underwhelming.

Mirage deserves the 1 dodge :=) its a build based more to play with ilusions than chrono :PIMO its F keys are the big problem of this spec.

[Every day pon.5386]

We don't see Mesmers running through mirrors and hiding in illusions anymore. Anet lost the Mirage development.

No chaining Mirrors, Clones, dodge movements.. What's a Mesmer to do? PvE professions are immersive, the GW2 standard! Live currently feels like a game of finding exploits that developers don't understand over following an archetype concept

[Pugsley.9627]

I think one dodge is quite a challenge to overcome. It makes wvw more exciting. I have found that I learned a lot more about taking damage when you want to and not just spamming dodge at the first sight of trouble has forced me to become a better player.

[Yoci.2481]

Good point, let all classes have that pleasant experience.

[Leonidrex.5649]

@Pugsley.9627 said:I think one dodge is quite a challenge to overcome. It makes wvw more exciting. I have found that I learned a lot more about taking damage when you want to and not just spamming dodge at the first sight of trouble has forced me to become a better player.

its how it is, there is a reason why huge advancements were always made during war, necessity is mother of invention.I sure as hell wasnt using my torch 4/SoM blind as pseudo dodge split sec before I get it before the dodge nerf, now I have to or else I flop dead

[Mouse.7382]

Im a gamblin' man, and my spidey sense would bet, dollars to donuts--no changes (good or bad) until EOD release

[Junkpile.7439]

Mirages seems to survive ok with one dodge. Some classes survive much worse with 2 dodges.

[Salt Mode.3780]

@Junkpile.7439 said:Mirages seems to survive ok with one dodge. Some classes survive much worse with 2 dodges.

it is not the class tht is the issue it is the player dont make this about other classes and think 1 dodge mirage is ok