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Stop calling 1000g weapon sets content
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Like I have the gold but why would I dump 70+ gold each weapon plus the time gate to acquire the new lodestones. 50 orich ingots 10 ecto per lodestone.
I legit bought the mark and pact black lion entire sets for less then 1000g and you get 14 tickets back like 560g back and you then think hey complete the new set for 20 AP and 12 AGs is somehow worthy of our gold.
I know alot will do these but just another set I'll skip because you think making these new weapons expensive instead of shaft hilt 4g inscription 5 ectos or something reasonable adds to your game. Well it doesn't
WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.
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I might of did math wrong and triples the cost but hey don't do math in your head when annoyed
WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.
I heard that this set will be upgraded in the future, that maybe a better reason to make them.
Aurora Glade Diamond Legend [VV]
Ultimate Dominator
If only the weapon set(s) looked any good, I would at least feel motivated to get the achievement. But the way they look (plus the things you already mentioned) only makes it an expensive chore and nothing else. :-/
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No more LW episodes, only Expansions and Side Stories, please!
I agree they don't look good right now, other than the sword which is decent, however as I previously said, if they are upgraded in future they may look much better.
Aurora Glade Diamond Legend [VV]
Ultimate Dominator
The main problem I have with these collections is that Arenanet locked another mastery point behind these stupidly grindy collections.
That's just another mastery point I will never get.
well what would you use your gold for? goes up and up and no other good way to spend it
Yeah, and I usually do them until the stormcaller w/e one's were 1000g then I did the math right on this one but in my head was like you need 3 ingots and just was like 1000g again but it's not it's like 350g. I still think 10-12g per weapon or under 200g a set is fair but 350g or 1000g like stormcaller is just a pointless money sink. And I'm good at making gold so I imagine it's worse for others or newer players. I just think they need to tone down the gold sink on these but well see
WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.
This is what we call an optional material sink. Material sinks like these are necessary for the game.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
It would be far more optional if there wasn't a mastery point locked behind it.
The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.
disclaimer: you don't need mastery point behind weapon collection to max masteries
atm i have only the tengu and i think one in whisper in the dark and still i have 349 with 9 spare mastery point, 1point for party guardian, 7 more are coming through dragon mission and more as there will be some more story chapter/episode/whatever most likely new success too which will cover the 17 point i need to max the mastery
And the higher you price it more opt out which then asks why and on top most include a MP. These type of sinks bring nothing extra imo. Legendarys and certain things sure. Lets throw a new weapon set together and add massive time gates and material/gold sink. My point is if I who has little issue making gold is skipping these things then the price is just unrealistic for the value of the skins again imo.
Everything is optional Swagger so that's an easy defense just no need to price out many players for no good reason
WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.
yes it not cheap and not for everyone as many other things.
I put 10 g for each and forget about it. After few years I will get it. Want asap ? pay more.
it ok. It not needed do all if you don;t want.
Btu remember what 1000g weapon sets is content. Otherwise you should rethink you wait form mmo game at all??
want solid balance ? - play chess.
Well, there will be lots of options for mastery points. Nobody has to get that one. And the weapons are optional as well... Self imposed issue here.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
Well you don’t need the weapons. The mp is a just a bonus. There will be plenty of other mps available. Don’t stress out over mp and optional sinks.
What ways would make obtaining the weapons more reasonable for you?
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
Closer in price to what the old exotic weapon sets. Like Mordant or the Bjora ones with etrite off the top of my head. 8 10 12g type exotics. Still expensive since we salvage of mf them but not this trend of insane mats needed like stormcaller or these w the timegate aren't so bad but still 20g each for exotics again. Then sometimes anet decides we cant mf a few sets that I had sitting in my bank. That's all reasonable gold wise or collection types would work not tied directly to mass amounts of liquid gold.
WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.
So far it's far less option than both HoT+LS3 and PoF+LS4 had at this point. IBS is just way, way, way more grindy. Honestly, i wouldn't expect the future LS chapters to suddenly change that.
The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.
Hows the mastery economy now? Do you need all previous masteries in Ibs to max out the ibs trees?
I'm not interested in the dragon slayer weapons. I don’t care about the skins, and I don’t care about the AP for the collection. Yet the resources needed to craft them play a big part in the reward structure for the new chapter, which is a bit annoying. The prismaticite crystals serve no other purpose (so far), are account bound and have no merchant value. I'm looking forward to the day my material storage runs over and I have to decide whether or not to reserve storage space for the crystals, just in case. Potentially the next hatched chili.
So it's something you've got to work for but isn't a requirement for anything. Hmmmm, what could be the solution for such problem? If you want to do it, do it, if you don't wanna do it, don't cry about it, forget about it and don't do it.
Currently, the purely mathematical situation is like this:
zone, mastery points required/mastery points available
Core, 49/83
HoT, 144/198
PoF, 110/130
IBS, 63/58 (although it's actually 46/58 at the moment, since the last 17 points of the newest mastery track are currently locked)
At this moment though we're still 3 episodes short on IBS. The last episode supplied 6 total mastery points (4 easy ones, one locked behind the weapon collection, one behind a challenge that may be problematic for many). if the next 3 chapters all add 6 points each, and no new mastery tracks/tiers, IBS would end at 63/76. Which would put it at a margin comparable to PoF, but worse than for HoT and Core
That is pure math though. It doesn't include things like how easy to get/grindy each mastery point is. In that regard, previous cases had a lot more of low hanging fruit masteries. In IBS the emphasis was shifted far more towards heavy grind/costly/heavily time consuming ones.
Last chapter added more easy masteries though, so hopefully if they will keep it up, this may help. Still, in all previous cases i never really felt the need to wait for new, easy mastery points from future chapters. IBS is the first time i feel that.
And it's due to this that locking mastery points after the 1000g weapon collection feels especially jarring.
The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.
Agreed, this is not content.
may be people who think what 1000-5000g weapon collection it not content make wrong choose when start play mmo games?
currently play parallel few another mmo projects, and yes, the 1000g weapon collections is a true mmo game content.
One difference here we get +20 AP, on more games from that collections we have +20 stats, but "mind line" the same as should.
want solid balance ? - play chess.
It seems to me the MP is locked behind crazy RNG or, right now, buying weapons at a total cost, of ~2700g on the TP!
The Dragon Slayer weapons, that I think the OP was talking about, only award 20AP! better to ignore the weapons and keep the (decent) rewards for unlocking the recipes!
It's not not content. Just not the content that you (and maybe a lot of people) want.
You are 100 percent correct. The MP is locked behind you getting the volcanic stormcaller weapon box 16 times and seems very rare. I would imagine prices will go down as more drop but some 220g buy orders up there and makes that MP even more illogical being attached to that
WvW band wagoners ruin the game mode just like Karen's ruin these forums.
Yes, I'm sure the price for those weapons will drop over time. Still, one of the most bonkers ways of handing out mastery points so far! If the weapons box was guaranteed and you needed to do 16 missions (or even if you got 'shards' from each mission and you needed 2x or 3x for a weapon box). But low chance RNG. or the option of straight up buying a 'mastery' point is not good!
your math is wrong i'm afraid there is 1 mastery point in every single dragon mission so 7 are coming. you can see them but not take them untill the dragon mission is released. Same goes for the point you will earn by completing story line when more is released. Don't forget to include locked mastery poin if you want to compare to locked masteries. Don't let not released content become a tarir 2.0, just chill and wait for it to be released before panicking
Is that a better reason though?
I mean, for one thing, we've had so many of these upgrade-able sets recently htat for me they've completely lost any value. For another thing, even if they can be upgraded it's quite likely that the upgraded version won't actually require you to craft these. I mean, the Illuminated Boreal Weapons weapons required the earlier Boreal Weapons as one of their components but the Charged Stormcaller ones didn't require the Stormcaller weapons.
If anything the possibility that they'll bring out "better" versions in the future is a good reason to not craft these right now.
Fair enough, I sort of assumed those missions will come with later chapters, i forgot we're now on delayed release mode. Still, my point still stands - on all the previous expansions/LS-es i have never felt the need to wait for future releases in order to max out on currently available masteries. I was always able to max out on them before the next content hit (with the only exception being the raid mastery track, but that was not due to the lack of mastery points), and at every single point since ls3 started i was always several mastery points ahead of the available mastery tracks. In IBS i am way, way behind, and so far i have been unable to catch up not even once. That's because the nature of the mastery point achievements changed, there's far less easy ones, and far more grindy/timegated/costly ones. There's already way too much of those kinds of mastery achievements in IBS. We really don't need any more.
The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.
Untrue gandarran field got 2 one insight and one for Shooting Stars achiv.
So its quite possible that later dragon response missions get more then 1 mastery point in them
so one + success
Always find it funny people claiming GW2 is special because of the "horizontal progression" instead of the "grind" of other MMOs.
Yet they seem to keep implementing grindy, progression-less junk like this. Is it just to try and devour a fraction of a fraction of the rampant gold in the economy? Or is this what they think players want? Evidently it's not the latter.
IMO it's not the 1000g [weapon collections] I'd say it's 1000g [skin collection] because let's be honest here you are not even gonna use the weapon just take the skin, some of the weapon stat is locked besides Ascended weapon is not that hard to get/craft.
If that amount of money needed that high I might as well just go progressing legendary stuffs which can actually be used, plus comfiness because you can swap rune/sigil/infusion/stat as you like.
It seems that i probably wasn't wrong after all, and those remaining 7 dragon response missions will be released only with the new chapters of the story.
The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.
same goes for the masteries.
no IBS, 63/58 is still wrong as you don't take in account how many mastery point will be released whenever the masteries 3 onward are released.
for the currently available i was able to unlock all with 9 spare mastery points so no need to do weapon collection
That's, actually, the most disappointing thing. The HoT masteries was the best, imo, since they were more about accomplishing. Those ones in Saga are just about "I know how to use TP for making gold, and I also have no other way to spend those money, yay".
I did say that it was at this point, with 3 last episodes (well, in reality 3/4th of the last episode) still unreleased.
To quote again what i said then:
Marked the relevant parts for better readability
So, again, currently it is 63/58 (with 17 points out of 63 locked), and, if the last 3 "parts" of the Champions episode also add 6 mastery points each (and there would be no new masteries added), we'll end at 63/76. I don't see where i was wrong with that
The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.
GW2 is special because of the "horizontal progression". Players can be sure that the max level never will be increased and that your "old" gear will never be useless/invalidated.
In a "vertical progression" system, an expansion etc. usually increases the max level and you have to grind for new gear with the higher level stats to be able to success in the new content with the higher max level.
However, every "progression" in an MMO does also mean some kind of "grind" or "challenge" else it would not feel as "progression".
GW2 has a lot of grind, just not for gear with BiS (best in slot) stats.
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Register and check your guild leaderboard to see who is the best in your guild and who finished achievements first.
They added a longterm grind goal with the icebrood infusion last patch. De we really need another one so soon after?
The milking is strong with this one it seems.
The only thing I feel like is worth adding here is that the Volcanic weapon set currently costs between 2500-3000g. This is content from now on.
No different than locking mastery points that I will never get behind stupid group only instanced content.
You can't get the other collection through effort (unlike the Dragon Slayer weapon set) but merely through sheer luck or for tons of gold. Had they put the Mastery Point behind the Dragon Slayer set, that would have been a fair trade.
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No more LW episodes, only Expansions and Side Stories, please!
Every time someone defends putting a mastery point behind a collection that is RNG but on the TP it's one step toward making mastery points in the gemstore.
Dragon Slayer set having a mastery point makes sense, as the items are accountbound (also non-RNG just grindy) and you cannot just buy your way through it. The only saving grace here is that there is likely an abundance of mastery points such that it (Volcanic Stormcaller collection) isn't required to max mastery points for actual masteries (as opposed to just getting all mastery points available).
Maybe some luckier people have gotten some but I still have not had one drop yet.
What I dont understand is why a mastery point is locked behind the achievement?
As most people already pointed out you dont need it to max the masteries. So why is it there?
Imagine someone grinding all 16 weapons, you surely won't do it for the mastery point. Neither will you spend 1000s of gold for a mastery point. You'll do it to get the skins.
So again, why is there a mastery point locked behind the achievement?
I tell you why: Because ANet knows some people have an urge to keep the achievement tabs clean.
It's a cheesy way of teasing their players.
Which doesn't really work, because the drop rate is so atrocious you not only have no chance of completing the achievement through drops, but also extremely small chance of being able to buy what you lack - the drop rate is so bad that some weapons are missing even from TP still. Which, by the way, puts their rarity well above the level of precursors.
In short, this doesn't tease the players. It only annoys them.
The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.