Anet made a huge mistake: Discard all the previous setup of Jormag and try to do a short story

[Slowpokeking.8720]

Jormag has such a rich setup in GW2 personal story, the Norn Racial story and the Sympathy not only told a chunk about Icebrood&Sons of Svanir menace, but also connected Norn, Jotun and other races together as Jormag's foe.

Including most of the Shiverpeak mountain maps have Icebrood influence. HoW is about Kodan fighting SoS.

So it already got a lot of stuff setup, all they need is continue the conflict and tie the plot up along with the GW1 setup.

But instead they just discard most of it and added a lot of Charr story, which shouldn't have anything to do with Jormag since it's Norn focused plus a good chance to add more about the Kodan and Jotun. If you want to tell about the Charr, Kralkatorrik should have been the dragon to do so. Even though Drakkar had shown up, it looks entirely different than the GW1 creature, the Ice Column Creature was not explained at all.

Now we got Primordus added as I've expected, pretty sure the plot will be superrushed with some WTF twists.

[White Kitsunee.4620]

Norn got ignored in their own story. :(

[Zola.6197]

Personally, I never had any interest in Jormag until this season. I really like the way they've portrayed Jormag, and the voice acting has been spot on.

I agree I would like more Norn content, but I don't think the mix with Charr stories is bad. I just wanted more. The saga announcement gave the impression this would be a sweeping epic that deep dives into Norn lore as well as Charr cultural issues. At this moment it seems we only got two episodes each for both races, and I certainly expected more than that. It still stands to see what Champions does. It could continue expanding on Norn lore, though I am doubtful as the shift seems to focus on Primordus as a threat.

[Tyson.5160]

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:Jormag has such a rich setup in GW2 personal story, the Norn Racial story and the Sympathy not only told a chunk about Icebrood&Sons of Svanir menace, but also connected Norn, Jotun and other races together as Jormag's foe.

Including most of the Shiverpeak mountain maps have Icebrood influence. HoW is about Kodan fighting SoS.

So it already got a lot of stuff setup, all they need is continue the conflict and tie the plot up along with the GW1 setup.

But instead they just discard most of it and added a lot of Charr story, which shouldn't have anything to do with Jormag since it's Norn focused plus a good chance to add more about the Kodan and Jotun. If you want to tell about the Charr, Kralkatorrik should have been the dragon to do so. Even though Drakkar had shown up, it looks entirely different than the GW1 creature, the Ice Column Creature was not explained at all.

Now we got Primordus added as I've expected, pretty sure the plot will be superrushed with some kitten twists.

I personally like what they done with the storyline for this saga. It’s interesting, rather then another repeat story of Zhaitan. Jormag wakes up, we get forces and kill it. This attempt of the Charr attempting to bend an Elder Dragon to their will, then turn around and corrupt the majority of them is a new story. Now we are having a truce with Jormag, which is another interesting twist.

Zhaitan ( War against a dragon)

Mordremoth (Saving our friends from a dragon)

Kralkatorrik ( Saving an Elder Dragon/ Replacing an Elder Dragon)

Jormag ( Stopping an army trying to enslave an Elder Dragon/ having a truce with an Elder Dragon)

They could have just repeated the same story line over and over for each dragon, like Zhaitan, but they are mixing the plot around which keeps it interesting.

[hugo.4705]

I can say the same with primordius and asura. They gonna kill it in 4 episodes and sweeping Utopia and depths of Tyria under a carpet. Gonna put some dwarves and woohoo, done. One of the biggest disapointment if so. No big threat deserves to be killed that fast. I smell it, and it stink.

[Slowpokeking.8720]

@Tyson.5160 said:

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:Jormag has such a rich setup in GW2 personal story, the Norn Racial story and the Sympathy not only told a chunk about Icebrood&Sons of Svanir menace, but also connected Norn, Jotun and other races together as Jormag's foe.

Including most of the Shiverpeak mountain maps have Icebrood influence. HoW is about Kodan fighting SoS.

So it already got a lot of stuff setup, all they need is continue the conflict and tie the plot up along with the GW1 setup.

But instead they just discard most of it and added a lot of Charr story, which shouldn't have anything to do with Jormag since it's Norn focused plus a good chance to add more about the Kodan and Jotun. If you want to tell about the Charr, Kralkatorrik should have been the dragon to do so. Even though Drakkar had shown up, it looks entirely different than the GW1 creature, the Ice Column Creature was not explained at all.

Now we got Primordus added as I've expected, pretty sure the plot will be superrushed with some kitten twists.

I personally like what they done with the storyline for this saga. It’s interesting, rather then another repeat story of Zhaitan. Jormag wakes up, we get forces and kill it. This attempt of the Charr attempting to bend an Elder Dragon to their will, then turn around and corrupt the majority of them is a new story. Now we are having a truce with Jormag, which is another interesting twist.

Zhaitan ( War against a dragon)

Mordremoth (Saving our friends from a dragon)

Kralkatorrik ( Saving an Elder Dragon/ Replacing an Elder Dragon)

Jormag ( Stopping an army trying to enslave an Elder Dragon/ having a truce with an Elder Dragon)

They could have just repeated the same story line over and over for each dragon, like Zhaitan, but they are mixing the plot around which keeps it interesting.

You can do such thing with all the previous plot as well, with a far richer setup.

[Slowpokeking.8720]

@"Svennis.3852" said:Personally, I never had any interest in Jormag until this season. I really like the way they've portrayed Jormag, and the voice acting has been spot on.

I agree I would like more Norn content, but I don't think the mix with Charr stories is bad. I just wanted more. The saga announcement gave the impression this would be a sweeping epic that deep dives into Norn lore as well as Charr cultural issues. At this moment it seems we only got two episodes each for both races, and I certainly expected more than that. It still stands to see what Champions does. It could continue expanding on Norn lore, though I am doubtful as the shift seems to focus on Primordus as a threat.

Then you didn't pay much attention to the previous plot of Jormag. Most of its personality was hinted before.

[Zola.6197]

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:

@"Svennis.3852" said:Personally, I never had any interest in Jormag

until

this season. I really like the way they've portrayed Jormag, and the voice acting has been spot on.

I agree I would like more Norn content, but I don't think the mix with Charr stories is bad. I just wanted more. The saga announcement gave the impression this would be a sweeping epic that deep dives into Norn lore as well as Charr cultural issues. At this moment it seems we only got two episodes each for both races, and I certainly expected more than that. It still stands to see what Champions does. It could continue expanding on Norn lore, though I am doubtful as the shift seems to focus on Primordus as a threat.

Then you didn't pay much attention to the previous plot of Jormag. Most of its personality was hinted before.

No, they just didn’t seem that interesting until now.

[Slowpokeking.8720]

@"Svennis.3852" said:

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:

@"Svennis.3852" said:Personally, I never had any interest in Jormag

until

this season. I really like the way they've portrayed Jormag, and the voice acting has been spot on.

I agree I would like more Norn content, but I don't think the mix with Charr stories is bad. I just wanted more. The saga announcement gave the impression this would be a sweeping epic that deep dives into Norn lore as well as Charr cultural issues. At this moment it seems we only got two episodes each for both races, and I certainly expected more than that. It still stands to see what Champions does. It could continue expanding on Norn lore, though I am doubtful as the shift seems to focus on Primordus as a threat.

Then you didn't pay much attention to the previous plot of Jormag. Most of its personality was hinted before.

No, they just didn’t seem that interesting until now.

Everything was there, Jormag has always been the dragon with the most personality and one of the richest setup(beside Zhaitan and Mordremoth).

[Zola.6197]

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:

@"Svennis.3852" said:

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:

@"Svennis.3852" said:Personally, I never had any interest in Jormag

until

this season. I really like the way they've portrayed Jormag, and the voice acting has been spot on.

I agree I would like more Norn content, but I don't think the mix with Charr stories is bad. I just wanted more. The saga announcement gave the impression this would be a sweeping epic that deep dives into Norn lore as well as Charr cultural issues. At this moment it seems we only got two episodes each for both races, and I certainly expected more than that. It still stands to see what Champions does. It could continue expanding on Norn lore, though I am doubtful as the shift seems to focus on Primordus as a threat.

Then you didn't pay much attention to the previous plot of Jormag. Most of its personality was hinted before.

No, they just didn’t seem that interesting until now.

Everything was there, Jormag has always been the dragon with the most personality and one of the richest setup(beside Zhaitan and Mordremoth).Not really

[Tyson.5160]

@hugo.4705 said:I can say the same with primordius and asura. They gonna kill it in 4 episodes and sweeping Utopia and depths of Tyria under a carpet. Gonna put some dwarves and woohoo, done. One of the biggest disapointment if so. No big threat deserves to be killed that fast. I smell it, and it stink.

I guess that’s if Primordus dies. Jormag could be the one that bites the dust.

[Tyson.5160]

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:

@Tyson.5160 said:

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:Jormag has such a rich setup in GW2 personal story, the Norn Racial story and the Sympathy not only told a chunk about Icebrood&Sons of Svanir menace, but also connected Norn, Jotun and other races together as Jormag's foe.

Including most of the Shiverpeak mountain maps have Icebrood influence. HoW is about Kodan fighting SoS.

So it already got a lot of stuff setup, all they need is continue the conflict and tie the plot up along with the GW1 setup.

But instead they just discard most of it and added a lot of Charr story, which shouldn't have anything to do with Jormag since it's Norn focused plus a good chance to add more about the Kodan and Jotun. If you want to tell about the Charr, Kralkatorrik should have been the dragon to do so. Even though Drakkar had shown up, it looks entirely different than the GW1 creature, the Ice Column Creature was not explained at all.

Now we got Primordus added as I've expected, pretty sure the plot will be superrushed with some kitten twists.

I personally like what they done with the storyline for this saga. It’s interesting, rather then another repeat story of Zhaitan. Jormag wakes up, we get forces and kill it. This attempt of the Charr attempting to bend an Elder Dragon to their will, then turn around and corrupt the majority of them is a new story. Now we are having a truce with Jormag, which is another interesting twist.

Zhaitan ( War against a dragon)

Mordremoth (Saving our friends from a dragon)

Kralkatorrik ( Saving an Elder Dragon/ Replacing an Elder Dragon)

Jormag ( Stopping an army trying to enslave an Elder Dragon/ having a truce with an Elder Dragon)

They could have just repeated the same story line over and over for each dragon, like Zhaitan, but they are mixing the plot around which keeps it interesting.

You can do such thing with all the previous plot as well, with a far richer setup.

Maybe, but then it would take us another 10 years to deal with the Elder Dragons.

[Yasai.3549]

@"White Kitsunee.4620" said:Norn got ignored in their own story. :(

They took everything that could have been a Norn expansion and shoehorned Charr into it because people wanted a Charr focused story.

Like hell, people are asking about Charr focused story/ expansion, travelling to Charr homelands, knowing more about Charr origins, but what we get is Charr in Norn Disneyland messing things up left and right because they pointed at Commander and Aurene and be like "I want that"

[HotDelirium.7984]

@Tyson.5160 said:

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:Jormag has such a rich setup in GW2 personal story, the Norn Racial story and the Sympathy not only told a chunk about Icebrood&Sons of Svanir menace, but also connected Norn, Jotun and other races together as Jormag's foe.

Including most of the Shiverpeak mountain maps have Icebrood influence. HoW is about Kodan fighting SoS.

So it already got a lot of stuff setup, all they need is continue the conflict and tie the plot up along with the GW1 setup.

But instead they just discard most of it and added a lot of Charr story, which shouldn't have anything to do with Jormag since it's Norn focused plus a good chance to add more about the Kodan and Jotun. If you want to tell about the Charr, Kralkatorrik should have been the dragon to do so. Even though Drakkar had shown up, it looks entirely different than the GW1 creature, the Ice Column Creature was not explained at all.

Now we got Primordus added as I've expected, pretty sure the plot will be superrushed with some kitten twists.

I personally like what they done with the storyline for this saga. It’s interesting, rather then another repeat story of Zhaitan. Jormag wakes up, we get forces and kill it. This attempt of the Charr attempting to bend an Elder Dragon to their will, then turn around and corrupt the majority of them is a new story. Now we are having a truce with Jormag, which is another interesting twist.

Zhaitan ( War against a dragon)

Mordremoth (Saving our friends from a dragon)

Kralkatorrik ( Saving an Elder Dragon/ Replacing an Elder Dragon)

Jormag ( Stopping an army trying to enslave an Elder Dragon/ having a truce with an Elder Dragon)

They could have just repeated the same story line over and over for each dragon, like Zhaitan, but they are mixing the plot around which keeps it interesting.

I would praise all of that if we got a few more lines of LORE and not speculation. What else is now happening with the spirits of the wild? The Kodan? Laranthir? The charr imperators etc. I heard there were a few lines that the pale tree is recovering but how many years later? They need to be a cit more concise.

[HotDelirium.7984]

@White Kitsunee.4620 said:Norn got ignored in their own story. :(

Its not a norn or charr story. Its the commander's story in THEIR territory... but since the aNnOunCemEnt of the SaGa did you not expect a CLEAR and CONCISE vision? lol

[Zola.6197]

@Yasai.3549 said:

@"White Kitsunee.4620" said:Norn got ignored in their own story. :(

They took everything that could have been a Norn expansion and shoehorned Charr into it because people wanted a Charr focused story.

Like hell, people are asking about Charr focused story/ expansion, travelling to Charr homelands, knowing more about Charr origins, but what we get is Charr in Norn Disneyland messing things up left and right because they pointed at Commander and Aurene and be like "I want that"

I liked pulling on the stories of multiple races, but it’s clear IBS was meant to be longer. Likely that meant we would’ve gotten a slower burn with multiple episodes focusing on the norn (and Charr) versus the brief foray we got. I am pretty sad about it.

[Slowpokeking.8720]

@Tyson.5160 said:

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:

@Tyson.5160 said:

@Slowpokeking.8720 said:Jormag has such a rich setup in GW2 personal story, the Norn Racial story and the Sympathy not only told a chunk about Icebrood&Sons of Svanir menace, but also connected Norn, Jotun and other races together as Jormag's foe.

Including most of the Shiverpeak mountain maps have Icebrood influence. HoW is about Kodan fighting SoS.

So it already got a lot of stuff setup, all they need is continue the conflict and tie the plot up along with the GW1 setup.

But instead they just discard most of it and added a lot of Charr story, which shouldn't have anything to do with Jormag since it's Norn focused plus a good chance to add more about the Kodan and Jotun. If you want to tell about the Charr, Kralkatorrik should have been the dragon to do so. Even though Drakkar had shown up, it looks entirely different than the GW1 creature, the Ice Column Creature was not explained at all.

Now we got Primordus added as I've expected, pretty sure the plot will be superrushed with some kitten twists.

I personally like what they done with the storyline for this saga. It’s interesting, rather then another repeat story of Zhaitan. Jormag wakes up, we get forces and kill it. This attempt of the Charr attempting to bend an Elder Dragon to their will, then turn around and corrupt the majority of them is a new story. Now we are having a truce with Jormag, which is another interesting twist.

Zhaitan ( War against a dragon)

Mordremoth (Saving our friends from a dragon)

Kralkatorrik ( Saving an Elder Dragon/ Replacing an Elder Dragon)

Jormag ( Stopping an army trying to enslave an Elder Dragon/ having a truce with an Elder Dragon)

They could have just repeated the same story line over and over for each dragon, like Zhaitan, but they are mixing the plot around which keeps it interesting.

You can do such thing with all the previous plot as well, with a far richer setup.

Maybe, but then it would take us another 10 years to deal with the Elder Dragons.

It's already there, just need to continue the plot.