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Impossible for new players to get in a new raid! All require 150+ LI and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training! Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What the hell is going on?Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

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I feel your pain, I have been lucky enough to end up in 2 guilds doing raid and fractal training and luckily I get a spot by signing up in time. As a new player you have to face the toxicity and elitism of other players who have had their training in PvE already, it's not a welcoming experience, especially in pugs as you always get toxic players complaining about your performances. Life is tough for new players nowadays and ArenaNet should step up to fix this issue before it goes out of control. I would be glad to share my knowledge in PvE with new players without being judgemental. This is the way!

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@Touchme.1097 said:I feel your pain, I have been lucky enough to end up in 2 guilds doing raid and fractal training and luckily I get a spot by signing up in time. As a new player you have to face the toxicity and elitism of other players who have had their training in PvE already, it's not a welcoming experience, especially in pugs as you always get toxic players complaining about your performances. Life is tough for new players nowadays and ArenaNet should step up to fix this issue before it goes out of control. I would be glad to share my knowledge in PvE with new players without being judgemental. This is the way!

I'm a tryhard and made plat2 then drop gold2 to farm gear but i think thats the max i can get from pvp! I reach t4 fractals! In 3 weeks all! But in raids its almost impossible even tho when i pug w1 and some random bosses i top the dps chart with exotics! Other dont even look at me with my 5 LI but they ask 250LI+!I will give up as i peaked all the game things and raids are unreachable!Its hard to find guild that take you serious with 2000 ap! Sorry but thats the truth in this game! There is no help for newcomers and i think new players should stay away from this game and let the elite play with elite and die in elite fashion!

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The groups that you see requiring LI are those trying to do clears. They're not intended for new players as they would slow things down and even possibly cause a wipe. Those players are free to create their own LFG with specifications that all are welcome. There are also training guilds/discords which will help teach players new to raids.

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Unless you make your own group with like minded people then you will always get a pretty heavy dose of needing KP or "L2p".

I am a fairly experienced in raids. Not god tier by no means but what I have found is that just because you learn something one way does not mean that is the way it is ran by the next group. You will be judged constantly. Everyone will be running arcdps (not really but assume so) and watching your performance. Giving you tips on how to do your rotation. Just assume when your a healer if someone dies its automatically your fault. Even if they didn't know the mechanics or made a mistake. You must prove yourself.

When you decide to partake in raids this is the agreement that you sign up for. Either you have tough enough skin to brave the flames and let the words roll off your back or you will get upset and quit. You may think its dumb but so is waiting 15 min for a specific class to join so you can clear something 2 min faster and that happens. So normal logic does not always apply.

If you want change, you have to be the one willing to take the first step. There is more than enough content to teach you what you need to know to command your own group. Or you can be like me and roam the LFG looking and waiting for things that I want to do. I am at the mercy of people making groups or needing more. I choose this just as you choose to be restricted by KP and armor requirements.

So you can let this dictate you or you can control it. The choice is yours. Here is a funny story to leave you with. I joined a group we 1 shot the whole wing. No one died no mistakes. I asked if we were doing more. The commander replied we are! but your not because you suck! and kicked me. I laughed so hard tears came to my eyes. Sure they could have been serious but I took it as a joke. This game and life is about how you react to it. Don't get upset do it as how you feel it should be done. Good luck!

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@"Excursion.9752" said:Unless you make your own group with like minded people then you will always get a pretty heavy dose of needing KP or "L2p".

I am a fairly experienced in raids. Not god tier by no means but what I have found is that just because you learn something one way does not mean that is the way it is ran by the next group. You will be judged constantly. Everyone will be running arcdps (not really but assume so) and watching your performance. Giving you tips on how to do your rotation. Just assume when your a healer if someone dies its automatically your fault. Even if they didn't know the mechanics or made a mistake. You must prove yourself.

When you decide to partake in raids this is the agreement that you sign up for. Either you have tough enough skin to brave the flames and let the words roll off your back or you will get upset and quit. You may think its dumb but so is waiting 15 min for a specific class to join so you can clear something 2 min faster and that happens. So normal logic does not always apply.

If you want change, you have to be the one willing to take the first step. There is more than enough content to teach you what you need to know to command your own group. Or you can be like me and roam the LFG looking and waiting for things that I want to do. I am at the mercy of people making groups or needing more. I choose this just as you choose to be restricted by KP and armor requirements.

So you can let this dictate you or you can control it. The choice is yours. Here is a funny story to leave you with. I joined a group we 1 shot the whole wing. No one died no mistakes. I asked if we were doing more. The commander replied we are! but your not because you suck! and kicked me. I laughed so hard tears came to my eyes. Sure they could have been serious but I took it as a joke. This game and life is about how you react to it. Don't get upset do it as how you feel it should be done. Good luck!

I run arcdps myself and i can say i top dps in all raid bosses i've made or 2nd place! So those 250 LI dont mean anything! Internet is full of mechanics and how do you run bosses in 4-5 lines to read! I feel like this stupid things should not be able to be linked! Its not a player ability to play a game! And we all saw that some bosses can be made 6-man so 4 leeched in that case? So there is a surplus of LI out there in the world as some player leeched their way thru it!

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@dani.5680 said:Impossible for new players to get in a new raid! All require 150+ LI and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training! Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What the hell is going on?Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

Your numbers arent right mate. You can make an ascended armor set within a week (even faster)Also... some raid encounters like vale guardian, bandit trio,escort, keep construct, twisted castle, cairn, mo, samarog, ca are fairly easy and all new raiders can learn and do it very easily. That is 9 easy LI per week (assuming u dont do other bosses that are also easy but need more focus on mechs). 250 LI can be earned in 28 weeks assumung u earn atleast these 9 li per week... a year is...52 weeks? Lol anyways u also get better each as weeks pass and even with more trainings ( guild runs/ your own runs/ random lfg trains) you can do more and more bosses and get more LI per week which lets u reach 250 li faster. Also if u think u are a good enough player u can join 150-250 li groups and ask them if they give u a chance! Most people in raids are nice as long as u do ur role properly! (Ppl dont like to carry u)I started like 7 months ago and im now at 550 li +... it wasnt easy as i didnt had any guilds to help me out. But i went to the training area and learned my class as a dps role. Then joined groups each week and got my first LIs as weeks passed until after 3 months i had 250 li.( always pugs )The thing is u shouldnt take what everyone says seriously and move on and dont give up if u really wanna raid easily. Just keep on getting better and one day you will earn ur 250th li

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@"Excursion.9752" said:Unless you make your own group with like minded people then you will always get a pretty heavy dose of needing KP or "L2p".

I am a fairly experienced in raids. Not god tier by no means but what I have found is that just because you learn something one way does not mean that is the way it is ran by the next group. You will be judged constantly. Everyone will be running arcdps (not really but assume so) and watching your performance. Giving you tips on how to do your rotation. Just assume when your a healer if someone dies its automatically your fault. Even if they didn't know the mechanics or made a mistake. You must prove yourself.

When you decide to partake in raids this is the agreement that you sign up for. Either you have tough enough skin to brave the flames and let the words roll off your back or you will get upset and quit. You may think its dumb but so is waiting 15 min for a specific class to join so you can clear something 2 min faster and that happens. So normal logic does not always apply.

If you want change, you have to be the one willing to take the first step. There is more than enough content to teach you what you need to know to command your own group. Or you can be like me and roam the LFG looking and waiting for things that I want to do. I am at the mercy of people making groups or needing more. I choose this just as you choose to be restricted by KP and armor requirements.

So you can let this dictate you or you can control it. The choice is yours. Here is a funny story to leave you with. I joined a group we 1 shot the whole wing. No one died no mistakes. I asked if we were doing more. The commander replied we are! but your not because you suck! and kicked me. I laughed so hard tears came to my eyes. Sure they could have been serious but I took it as a joke. This game and life is about how you react to it. Don't get upset do it as how you feel it should be done. Good luck!

I run arcdps myself and i can say i top dps in all raid bosses i've made or 2nd place! So those 250 LI dont mean anything! Internet is full of mechanics and how do you run bosses in 4-5 lines to read! I feel like this stupid things should not be able to be linked! Its not a player ability to play a game! And we all saw that some bosses can be made 6-man so 4 leeched in that case? So there is a surplus of LI out there in the world as some player leeched their way thru it!

There is a wide range or skill levels in this game and players learn at different rates. You're also neglected that those low-man runs are by very experienced players and it's not something you would see in a pug nor something to be expected. You also need to be aware that just because a raid has been done with X number of players, this doesn't mean that the remaining leached. Dungeons can be done solo so does this mean that four players leached?

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@dani.5680 said:Impossible for new players to get in a new raid! All require 150+ LI and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training! Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What the hell is going on?Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

Your numbers arent right mate. You can make an ascended armor set within a week (even faster)Also... some raid encounters like vale guardian, bandit trio,escort, keep construct, twisted castle, cairn, mo, samarog, ca are fairly easy and all new raiders can learn and do it very easily. That is 9 easy LI per week (assuming u dont do other bosses that are also easy but need more focus on mechs). 250 LI can be earned in 28 weeks assumung u earn atleast these 9 li per week... a year is...52 weeks? Lol anyways u also get better each as weeks pass and even with more trainings ( guild runs/ your own runs/ random lfg trains) you can do more and more bosses and get more LI per week which lets u reach 250 li faster. Also if u think u are a good enough player u can join 150-250 li groups and ask them if they give u a chance! Most people in raids are nice as long as u do ur role properly! (Ppl dont like to carry u)I started like 7 months ago and im now at 550 li +... it wasnt easy as i didnt had any guilds to help me out. But i went to the training area and learned my class as a dps role. Then joined groups each week and got my first LIs as weeks passed until after 3 months i had 250 li.( always pugs )The thing is u shouldnt take what everyone says seriously and move on and dont give up if u really wanna raid easily. Just keep on getting better and one day you will earn ur 250th li

How can you make full ascended in 1 week? please share it!

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@dani.5680 said:Impossible for new players to get in a new raid! All require 150+ LI and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training! Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What the hell is going on?Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

Your numbers arent right mate. You can make an ascended armor set within a week (even faster)Also... some raid encounters like vale guardian, bandit trio,escort, keep construct, twisted castle, cairn, mo, samarog, ca are fairly easy and all new raiders can learn and do it very easily. That is 9 easy LI per week (assuming u dont do other bosses that are also easy but need more focus on mechs). 250 LI can be earned in 28 weeks assumung u earn atleast these 9 li per week... a year is...52 weeks? Lol anyways u also get better each as weeks pass and even with more trainings ( guild runs/ your own runs/ random lfg trains) you can do more and more bosses and get more LI per week which lets u reach 250 li faster. Also if u think u are a good enough player u can join 150-250 li groups and ask them if they give u a chance! Most people in raids are nice as long as u do ur role properly! (Ppl dont like to carry u)I started like 7 months ago and im now at 550 li +... it wasnt easy as i didnt had any guilds to help me out. But i went to the training area and learned my class as a dps role. Then joined groups each week and got my first LIs as weeks passed until after 3 months i had 250 li.( always pugs )The thing is u shouldnt take what everyone says seriously and move on and dont give up if u really wanna raid easily. Just keep on getting better and one day you will earn ur 250th li

How can you make full ascended in 1 week? please share it!

You buy the time gated materials.

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@dani.5680 said:Impossible for new players to get in a new raid! All require 150+ LI and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training! Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What the hell is going on?Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?

if they ask for 150LI its not a training run so its whole point of not accepting people with no/ lower LI. it takes 6 week to get them not 1 year.guilds are not adapted for training, if your EU i'd personally recommand discord communities suck as crossroad inn or RTI. they provide trainin 3 to 7 day a week depending on commanders available.

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Join a guild which does regular raids and raid trainings. Most guilds that advtertise in map chat usually also put which content they run and many also run raids.

Impress with your ability and performance and believe me, any guild team would be very happy about well performing new players joining. It makes training and runs so much easier.

Or if you don't want to be bothered with LI or joining a guild, make your own and train up your own squad. You can then decide to not use LI or KP or any gating if you so desire.

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@Excursion.9752 said:You may think its dumb but so is waiting 15 min for a specific class to join so you can clear something 2 min faster and that happens. So normal logic does not always apply.If that was just about clearing something 2 mins faster, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's not dungeons, where it really worked like that. In Raids it's often more of a question of whether you clear at all.

So you can let this dictate you or you can control it. The choice is yours. Here is a funny story to leave you with. I joined a group we 1 shot the whole wing. No one died no mistakes. I asked if we were doing more. The commander replied we are! but your not because you suck! and kicked me. I laughed so hard tears came to my eyes. Sure they could have been serious but I took it as a joke.

And you probably should have treated it seriously and tried to find what you did wrong. Not dying, and the group oneshotting the boss does not mean you, personally, contributed to this. It's quite possible that the other 9 players lowmanned the run and just pulled you along, and just got tired of doing it. Pugs generally don't want to upset a working group (it's too much of a bother trying to fill the slot back), so if you did get kicked, usually this means something must have been really wrong there.

I have been on both sides of that equation, so i can tell you that quite often when you are inexperienced, but in a good group, you don't even see that you're doing badly and it's others that pull all the weight. On the other hand, once you get that experience, you will start noticing many errors you (and others) make that you were not even aware of before.

It's easy to say you got kicked out for no reason, but usually it's not what really happens.

Yes, that unfortunately does mean that Raids are not suitable for a vast majority of the game's population. Ironically (for probably the most casual MMORPG on the market) to an even greater degree than in other MMORPGs, due to you not being able to outgear the content eventually. That's however due to the content itself, not due to the people that run it.

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Just start your own LFG. Invite erveryone who request to come in and you will see why most pugs who are in for a clear run will have some requirements on it. I've done noob/everything goes raids and strikes without any requirements for two months. The first two weeks it was fun in some meme way. But the amount of ''i wanna play what i think is fun to me'' people let me give up this idea really soon. If you got your 3 bearbow Rangers, the only use GS 1 skill Mesmer, minion carrion Reaper and your friendly wanderers Dragon Hunter your patience will melt away pretty fast.

Or you can join a learning guild/community. Most of the raidoriented guilds i know do training/fun raids for new players or people who want to try out some raiding stuff. Most of those guilds will welcome anyone who wants to raid regular and show the will to learn and perform better with open arms because due to the lack of new challenging raids the raid community is decreasing more and more.

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Look for a guild that does training raids. I am in one as well, the guild master organizes beginner runs every monday. You don't need 1 year to get 150 LI. Even if you just run first 4 wings (which are easy for most part) it is 15 LI per week => so 2.5 months for 150 LI. If you run 5-7 on top of it, you get it even faster. Also, for newer wings people don't ask for LI but rather KPs, you can get those also in relative shot time.

I am not fan of LI requirements and elitism, on the other hand i know the pain of running raids with people that don't have proper builds, don't know mechanics etc. if you only have couple hours on monday to finish 4 wings you don't want to spend 1 hour on just 1 boss. I personaly find requirements for fractal CMs way worse and more gated than LIs actually.

edit: also, if i may add, i would suggest you to roll the classes that are always wanted in raids and hard to find (probably due to gear/experience restrictions) aka druid/mesmers. No matter meta those 2 were always wanted and get a spot despite not having enough LI.

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@dani.5680 said:Impossible for new players to get in a new raid!this is ok.

All require 150+ LIthis is minimal require .. For most case you aslo req kp from each boss

and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training!yes, this is ok. 3 months only ? I farm it 2.5-3 years. Not joke. Now it realy do more easy.

Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What te hell is going on?I play from start, still nto have 150 li Currently 138. You want 150 per one week ??

Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!yes, good choose. You can make you own training giuld if someone interested do that not in weekends.

So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?most of players more that one ofc. This is mmo game.

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@dani.5680 said:Impossible for new players to get in a new raid!this is ok.

All require 150+ LIthis is minimal require .. For most case you aslo req kp from each boss

and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training!yes, this is ok. 3 months only ? I farm it 2.5-3 years. Not joke. Now it realy do more easy.

Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What te hell is going on?I play from start, still nto have 150 li Currently 138. You want 150 per one week ??

Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!yes, good choose. You can make you own training giuld if someone interested do that not in weekends.

So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?most of players more that one ofc. This is mmo game.

Tell this to the guy that said 150 LI in 7 weeks :D PLEASE!I doubt these players know you start with 0 Ap and a PTV 80 exotic gear only!

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My 2 cents,

  • Join multiple guilds with the same concept as yourself.
  • Make your own raid teams with close friends having the same concept as yourself.
  • In PUG, familiar with new wings by using Druid exotic gear will be fine. Seldom those hardcore care about healer's DPS.

Raid is a content which participated by 10 players, hence you don't expect to raid on daily like Fractals T4 or expect to form a party easily.For those hardcore players which require KP, ignore them.

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Do you really need full ascended for training? At least the training-groups/-communities I know are okay, if only weapons and trinkets are asc or don't care at all, as long as the performance isn't bad.As there is no gear-check in this game, guess even most LI-/KP-groups won't see the difference as long as your performance isn't too far behind other group-members.

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@dani.5680 said:Impossible for new players to get in a new raid!this is ok.

All require 150+ LIthis is minimal require .. For most case you aslo req kp from each boss

and all training require ascended so you are in a farming space of over 3 months for ascended gear just to get in the training!yes, this is ok. 3 months only ? I farm it 2.5-3 years. Not joke. Now it realy do more easy.

Then 1 year to get those 150 LI! What te hell is going on?I play from start, still nto have 150 li Currently 138. You want 150 per one week ??

Most of training guilds take you on weekends if they are free, if not, not!yes, good choose. You can make you own training giuld if someone interested do that not in weekends.

So as a new player you have to farm 1year to be in a LFG? Thats stupid isn't it?most of players more that one ofc. This is mmo game.

Tell this to the guy that said 150 LI in 7 weeks :D PLEASE!I doubt these players know you start with 0 Ap and a PTV 80 exotic gear only!

I am unsure what the argument here is?

AP don't matter when LI and/or KP are demanded.

Fresh level 80 boosted toons have PVT gear yes, but then again why would access for a fresh boosted toon, which a player likely has no experience on, be significant for the supposedly most challenging pve group content? I'd assume at least a very tiny amount of preparation and getting to know your character should be expected, especially given that some of the pve endgame stat combinations (berserker for power is dirt cheap, viper is not that far behind) are not that hard to come by.

Changing gear from fresh boosting a character is actually a good step to show which players have at least spent some time in trying to get ready for challenging content.

@Schimmi.6872 said:Do you really need full ascended for training? At least the training-groups/-communities I know are okay, if only weapons and trinkets are asc or don't care at all, as long as the performance isn't bad.As there is no gear-check in this game, guess even most LI-/KP-groups won't see the difference as long as your performance isn't too far behind other group-members.

It usually isn't and would be a red flag for any one wanting to join such a training because it screams inexperienced raid lead.

Exotic is fine for most trainings and having players with ascended weapons and trinkets is just a nice bonus. Trinkets especially are useful since their acquisition is rather easy via living world episodes and the stats available on them are free select-able.

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