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What is your biggest fear as ranger player with the release of PoF?

For me, I fear that soulbeast might be too simplistic in PvE and therefore boring to play after a short time.
I don't care about competitiveness in raids or PvP or damage meters, I want to enjoy the open world and events, maybe some WvW here and there. And I think it is rewarding when you get better results by using a more skillful playstyle.

Don't get me wrong, neither vanilla ranger nor druid have been complex to play. But after playing the demos it looks like soulbeast is even less complex than those. Even with all the choices we have with pets, we are still limited to a few new skills in combat (and most of them are less than impressive). Might also be related to the clunkiness of the missing pet swap in beastmode which rather motivates me to simply stay in it than trigger all those cooldowns for unsure profit (as it just takes too long). Other new specializations feel way deeper (scourge for example, but also holosmith with the heat mechanic), I'm not sure if soulbeast can keep me playing ranger in PoF.

So what are you worried about the most?

Comments

  • my biggest fear already happend , soulbeast is the worst when the trailer said cripper them from range iknow it was bad and when i play it during the beta my fear was confirm, soulbeast is rely on sic em and once its going to be nerf soulbeast will offer you nothing , first stance are kitten , animation is ashame from my point of view the only why that this class is going to prograss is changeing game devloper to one who actully play the class. i mean we need power spec and we got acolbo spec , when they buff rengete there will be no reasone to take soulbeast to high lvl contant since its not apower and the condi dmg will be left behing necro, rengete and maybe firebrand
    enjoy play druid for the next 2 years at least

  • anduriell.6280anduriell.6280 Member ✭✭✭✭

    My biggest fear is that with the inherent power creep PoF will bring souldbeast is not up to the task and the class will be back to where ranger wasn't wanted in any game mode.
    I still remember when if you were a ranger you would be automatically kicked from the party.

  • @anduriell.6280 said:
    My biggest fear is that with the inherent power creep PoF will bring souldbeast is not up to the task and the class will be back to where ranger wasn't wanted in any game mode.
    I still remember when if you were a ranger you would be automatically kicked from the party.

    it is happining get ready for druid time

  • Skuzz.6580Skuzz.6580 Member ✭✭✭

    My biggest fear is logging in the 23th, unlocking Dolyak Stance and still see it not apply it's effect to the user..

    Also a sidenote: Soulbeast is amazing and the stances are very neat utility skills

  • Meta condi build is still by far the best DPS for PvE and Raid.

  • I'm worried that we will suck at Power DPS.

    However, they have no excuses this time. Baseline at launch, their excuse was that we are a pet class with strong buffs. Okay. Then we were a healer with more buffs. Whatever. Now we don't have the pet anymore, what's their excuse?

    Dagger MH was looking underwhelming in beta, Dagger OH always sucked, but I guess they intend us to remain Sword/Axe and Torch/Axe instead of Dagger/Dagger.? Talk about bland.

    The ONE pet with a Beastmode skill that heals allies, doesn't get the Supportive Beastmode? Instead, pets which gain outgoing healing.... don't have any heals? Is that a joke?

  • @Skuzz.6580 said:
    Seriously.. downvoting a personal opinion that is different than your own? I guess that's what this forum has turned into..

    @Aomine.5012 said:

    @Skuzz.6580 said:
    My biggest fear is logging in the 23th, unlocking Dolyak Stance and still see it not apply it's effect to the user..

    Also a sidenote: Soulbeast is amazing and the stances are very neat utility skills

    Can you tell me why you think Stance is such a neat idea because they're actually acting exactly like shout but this time only affect yourself unless you waste your grandmaster spot?

    Press this bottom, remove some conditions. (Oh, and with cast time too)
    Press this bottom, grant yourself some stability.
    Press this bottom, oh you get some boons like fury and protection.
    Press this bottom, oh you get some might.
    Press this bottom, you do slightly more damage.

    How's it any different front shouts?
    Don't get me started it doesn't even affect your pet in most case.

    I also like you contributing to this topic by writing your own fear.. ooh wait, you prefer to bash on people rather than contribute yourself..

    As for if I can tell you why I think Stances are neat utility skills, it is simple. They give uncounterable effects (Stance effects), its a bloody STANCE why should a Stance buff everyone around you? This is why the Grandmaster trait is actually well thought out.. I guess you rather join the bandwagon and say they are kitten, I understand.

    Just taking Dolyak stance as an example, I hope you realise that this is now our #1 defensive utility skill we have access to? Just to name one.
    "Don't get me started it doesn't even affect your pet in most case. ": This only confirms my assumptions that you have no clue what you are talking about.. The whole Soulbeast class was designed with the thought in mind that you AND your pet would become 1 entity. So why would stances be applied to your pet?? That goes against the design philosophy.
    The trait Leader of the pack is just brilliantly designed lore wise when you think about it. But i guess I'm alone on this one since all I ever get when being positive about things is negative reactions and downvotes..

    stance suck right now period no matter what you going to say look at the top rangers who did some "good" soulbeast videos no one use stance for reason only bear stance and that came from mercy.

  • Core Pets still not being updated and some of the new pets having the same fate with about a year or two before something is tweaked or addressed. Polar Bear's 45-second F2 and Jungle Stalker's F2 with a 3s cast time to name a couple. Not to mention the cooldown on Sand Lion's F2 is a bit high or could have been the perfect opportunity to justify the cooldown and offer us a pet that could provide allies with a Barrier.

    Would have been sick to have a feline with defensive support AND give us access to the new mechanic.

    PET PRECISION & DPS DATA (DPS outdated)
    Back in Black... Desert Online.

  • Getting crushed by a buffed maul outside of that nothing really.

  • Skuzz.6580Skuzz.6580 Member ✭✭✭

    @BadSanta.6527 said:

    @Skuzz.6580 said:
    Seriously.. downvoting a personal opinion that is different than your own? I guess that's what this forum has turned into..

    @Aomine.5012 said:

    @Skuzz.6580 said:
    My biggest fear is logging in the 23th, unlocking Dolyak Stance and still see it not apply it's effect to the user..

    Also a sidenote: Soulbeast is amazing and the stances are very neat utility skills

    Can you tell me why you think Stance is such a neat idea because they're actually acting exactly like shout but this time only affect yourself unless you waste your grandmaster spot?

    Press this bottom, remove some conditions. (Oh, and with cast time too)
    Press this bottom, grant yourself some stability.
    Press this bottom, oh you get some boons like fury and protection.
    Press this bottom, oh you get some might.
    Press this bottom, you do slightly more damage.

    How's it any different front shouts?
    Don't get me started it doesn't even affect your pet in most case.

    I also like you contributing to this topic by writing your own fear.. ooh wait, you prefer to bash on people rather than contribute yourself..

    As for if I can tell you why I think Stances are neat utility skills, it is simple. They give uncounterable effects (Stance effects), its a bloody STANCE why should a Stance buff everyone around you? This is why the Grandmaster trait is actually well thought out.. I guess you rather join the bandwagon and say they are kitten, I understand.

    Just taking Dolyak stance as an example, I hope you realise that this is now our #1 defensive utility skill we have access to? Just to name one.
    "Don't get me started it doesn't even affect your pet in most case. ": This only confirms my assumptions that you have no clue what you are talking about.. The whole Soulbeast class was designed with the thought in mind that you AND your pet would become 1 entity. So why would stances be applied to your pet?? That goes against the design philosophy.
    The trait Leader of the pack is just brilliantly designed lore wise when you think about it. But i guess I'm alone on this one since all I ever get when being positive about things is negative reactions and downvotes..

    stance kitten right now period no matter what you going to say look at the top rangers who did some "good" soulbeast videos no one use stance for reason only bear stance and that came from mercy.

    Top rangers? Aah wait, you must be a PvP player.. I forgot that PvP is in this game.. I play PvE, so that's where I base my things on.
    I always like these type of comment "look at the top rangers", like we can't have our own opinions but instead have to follow the bandwagon!!! And what players are you referring to? or are you just making something up? (not that it matters what they think, I personally still think stance's give the ranger nice utility possibilities)

  • Skuzz.6580Skuzz.6580 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2017

    @Aomine.5012 said:

    @Skuzz.6580 said:
    Seriously.. downvoting a personal opinion that is different than your own? I guess that's what this forum has turned into..

    @Aomine.5012 said:

    @Skuzz.6580 said:
    My biggest fear is logging in the 23th, unlocking Dolyak Stance and still see it not apply it's effect to the user..

    Also a sidenote: Soulbeast is amazing and the stances are very neat utility skills

    Can you tell me why you think Stance is such a neat idea because they're actually acting exactly like shout but this time only affect yourself unless you waste your grandmaster spot?

    Press this bottom, remove some conditions. (Oh, and with cast time too)
    Press this bottom, grant yourself some stability.
    Press this bottom, oh you get some boons like fury and protection.
    Press this bottom, oh you get some might.
    Press this bottom, you do slightly more damage.

    How's it any different front shouts?
    Don't get me started it doesn't even affect your pet in most case.

    I also like you contributing to this topic by writing your own fear.. ooh wait, you prefer to bash on people rather than contribute yourself..

    As for if I can tell you why I think Stances are neat utility skills, it is simple. They give uncounterable effects (Stance effects), its a bloody STANCE why should a Stance buff everyone around you? This is why the Grandmaster trait is actually well thought out.. I guess you rather join the bandwagon and say they are kitten, I understand.

    Just taking Dolyak stance as an example, I hope you realise that this is now our #1 defensive utility skill we have access to? Just to name one.
    "Don't get me started it doesn't even affect your pet in most case. ": This only confirms my assumptions that you have no clue what you are talking about.. The whole Soulbeast class was designed with the thought in mind that you AND your pet would become 1 entity. So why would stances be applied to your pet?? That goes against the design philosophy.
    The trait Leader of the pack is just brilliantly designed lore wise when you think about it. But i guess I'm alone on this one since all I ever get when being positive about things is negative reactions and downvotes..

    I actually took my time explaining why Stance is not neat by explaining their functionality case by case, because they're almost identical to Guardian's / Warrior/ Ranger's own shouts and Warrior's Stance.

    Your original post just simply stated: "Hey, SBeast is awesome and Stances are so neat!" without explaining your reasoning to back up those claim.

    You could have just explain your reasoning about why you think it's neat instead of throwing those pointless sarcasm to me, which I didn't do it to you in the first place. How do you interpreted my post as bashing your post in the first place is beyond me. All I said is if you could explain why you think it's neat.

    Sigh..
    Talking about reading between the lines....
    You did not contribute to THIS topic, you instead just replied to a SIDENOTE I posted after I contributed my "biggest fear" to this topic.
    Also, I am by no means being sarcastic with that sidenote.. that is legitimately how I feel about soulbeast and the stances.
    And this is the beauty of an oppinion, I don't have to actually explain it to anyone, it is simply what I feel.

  • BadSanta.6527BadSanta.6527 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2017

    @Skuzz.6580 said:

    @BadSanta.6527 said:

    @Skuzz.6580 said:
    Seriously.. downvoting a personal opinion that is different than your own? I guess that's what this forum has turned into..

    @Aomine.5012 said:

    @Skuzz.6580 said:
    My biggest fear is logging in the 23th, unlocking Dolyak Stance and still see it not apply it's effect to the user..

    Also a sidenote: Soulbeast is amazing and the stances are very neat utility skills

    Can you tell me why you think Stance is such a neat idea because they're actually acting exactly like shout but this time only affect yourself unless you waste your grandmaster spot?

    Press this bottom, remove some conditions. (Oh, and with cast time too)
    Press this bottom, grant yourself some stability.
    Press this bottom, oh you get some boons like fury and protection.
    Press this bottom, oh you get some might.
    Press this bottom, you do slightly more damage.

    How's it any different front shouts?
    Don't get me started it doesn't even affect your pet in most case.

    I also like you contributing to this topic by writing your own fear.. ooh wait, you prefer to bash on people rather than contribute yourself..

    As for if I can tell you why I think Stances are neat utility skills, it is simple. They give uncounterable effects (Stance effects), its a bloody STANCE why should a Stance buff everyone around you? This is why the Grandmaster trait is actually well thought out.. I guess you rather join the bandwagon and say they are kitten, I understand.

    Just taking Dolyak stance as an example, I hope you realise that this is now our #1 defensive utility skill we have access to? Just to name one.
    "Don't get me started it doesn't even affect your pet in most case. ": This only confirms my assumptions that you have no clue what you are talking about.. The whole Soulbeast class was designed with the thought in mind that you AND your pet would become 1 entity. So why would stances be applied to your pet?? That goes against the design philosophy.
    The trait Leader of the pack is just brilliantly designed lore wise when you think about it. But i guess I'm alone on this one since all I ever get when being positive about things is negative reactions and downvotes..

    stance kitten right now period no matter what you going to say look at the top rangers who did some "good" soulbeast videos no one use stance for reason only bear stance and that came from mercy.

    Top rangers? Aah wait, you must be a PvP player.. I forgot that PvP is in this game.. I play PvE, so that's where I base my things on.
    I always like these type of comment "look at the top rangers", like we can't have our own opinions but instead have to follow the bandwagon!!! And what players are you referring to? or are you just making something up? (not that it matters what they think, I personally still think stance's give the ranger nice utility possibilities)

    Wow man are you for real? First I'm pve mostly and if you think soulbeast stance good then, goodlucky mate but want to hear the truth you want to play Druid over soul beast for pve.Spirits are way better then stance and if you play power then you better take six em and strengthe of the pac . Dagger ain't worth to talk about and the machine is gimmic bit comon. Your mad becuse you got 3 dislike, well that because you talk kitten , if icome to necro form and say that reaper is an awesome as it is for dps yeah I'll get dislike as well because it is not true and that the same here want to hear the truth ? Well the truth is that ireno kitten us hard this time

  • Unknown.3976Unknown.3976 Member ✭✭✭

    If there were major issues with soulbeast, it wasn't really apparent during the beta. Yes, the dagger, visuals and stances are dull but there's nothing spec-breaking at this point. My biggest fear would be probably be the main hand dagger being boring to wield.

    As for druids, it will still have a place in the upcoming meta, unless anet fixes the FB's terrible terrible healing coefficients + unreasonably long CDs. Druids will be meta becuz no other specs could fulfill the druids' role, so anet better beef up other healing/support specs so that rangers could be freed up to play as soulbeast.

  • Skuzz.6580Skuzz.6580 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2017

    @BadSanta.6527 said:

    @Skuzz.6580 said:

    @BadSanta.6527 said:

    @Skuzz.6580 said:
    Seriously.. downvoting a personal opinion that is different than your own? I guess that's what this forum has turned into..

    @Aomine.5012 said:

    @Skuzz.6580 said:
    My biggest fear is logging in the 23th, unlocking Dolyak Stance and still see it not apply it's effect to the user..

    Also a sidenote: Soulbeast is amazing and the stances are very neat utility skills

    Can you tell me why you think Stance is such a neat idea because they're actually acting exactly like shout but this time only affect yourself unless you waste your grandmaster spot?

    Press this bottom, remove some conditions. (Oh, and with cast time too)
    Press this bottom, grant yourself some stability.
    Press this bottom, oh you get some boons like fury and protection.
    Press this bottom, oh you get some might.
    Press this bottom, you do slightly more damage.

    How's it any different front shouts?
    Don't get me started it doesn't even affect your pet in most case.

    I also like you contributing to this topic by writing your own fear.. ooh wait, you prefer to bash on people rather than contribute yourself..

    As for if I can tell you why I think Stances are neat utility skills, it is simple. They give uncounterable effects (Stance effects), its a bloody STANCE why should a Stance buff everyone around you? This is why the Grandmaster trait is actually well thought out.. I guess you rather join the bandwagon and say they are kitten, I understand.

    Just taking Dolyak stance as an example, I hope you realise that this is now our #1 defensive utility skill we have access to? Just to name one.
    "Don't get me started it doesn't even affect your pet in most case. ": This only confirms my assumptions that you have no clue what you are talking about.. The whole Soulbeast class was designed with the thought in mind that you AND your pet would become 1 entity. So why would stances be applied to your pet?? That goes against the design philosophy.
    The trait Leader of the pack is just brilliantly designed lore wise when you think about it. But i guess I'm alone on this one since all I ever get when being positive about things is negative reactions and downvotes..

    stance kitten right now period no matter what you going to say look at the top rangers who did some "good" soulbeast videos no one use stance for reason only bear stance and that came from mercy.

    Top rangers? Aah wait, you must be a PvP player.. I forgot that PvP is in this game.. I play PvE, so that's where I base my things on.
    I always like these type of comment "look at the top rangers", like we can't have our own opinions but instead have to follow the bandwagon!!! And what players are you referring to? or are you just making something up? (not that it matters what they think, I personally still think stance's give the ranger nice utility possibilities)

    Wow man are you for real? First I'm pve mostly and if you think soulbeast stance good then, goodlucky mate but want to hear the truth you want to play Druid over soul beast for pve.Spirits are way better then stance and if you play power then you better take six em and strengthe of the pac . Dagger ain't worth to talk about and the machine is gimmic bit comon. Your mad becuse you got 3 dislike, well that because you talk kitten , if icome to necro form and say that reaper is an awesome as it is for dps yeah I'll get dislike as well because it is not true and that the same here want to hear the truth ? Well the truth is that ireno kitten us hard this time

    • Good is not the same as "neat"
    • I never talked about dagger main-hand, I could care less about Dagger
    • I will never play druid over soulbeast, because I want to play what I like, and not what the "META.."demands
    • What is holding you back from using Sic'Em along side a stance skill?? ( Sic'Em + One Wolf Pack is actually the superior dps combination we will have in PoF, Strenght of the pack does literally nothing unique for us anymore, since the stability we can get easy acces to from Dolyak Stance)
    • I'm not the one that is mad, it seems you are mad about soulbeast.. but hey, that's your reason as is it my opinion that I like Soulbeast and the stances.

    So don't agree with me? thats fine, but no point discussing over it, it is MY opinion, as you guys have yours.
    Anet did something unique for us this time around which I can't wait to play more of upcoming weekend.

  • Aomine.5012Aomine.5012 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 18, 2017

    @Substance E.4852 said:
    -Dagger gets no updates at all. Same for the craptacular offhand.
    -Greatsword Maul now applies "Attack of Opportunity" after skill resolution. (can't self buff)
    -Sic Em reduced to 10% damage bonus.
    -All the low "pure damage" pet skills in BM largely ignored or only buffed by 10%.
    -Deadeye will make Longbow look like kitten. Will see a squad slot that we never got to have in WvW.
    -People will do proper golem testing to find that Cranger is still better than condi Soulbeast
    And finally...
    -All this will be apparent on Day 1 and we'll get completely frozen out while they deal with Firebrand, Spellbreaker, Weaver, and Scourge bugs and issues. Eventually, everyone will just go back to using Druid and Cranger and all forget how mediocre Soulbeast is.

    Ideally, none of this will happen but I absolutely expect Sic Em to get nerfed and was only in the beta because of an oversight. Everything else was so underwhelming and the complete lack of hints from Anet on how they're buffing up the classes for release makes me doubt many of the issues will be addressed in a timely manner, if at all.

    Druid was clearly made to be the healbot of Raids and got the attention it needed to fill that role. Soulbeast feels far more like a fun gimmick they came up with at the last minute with no real clear concept of what it's supposed to do or bring to a team.

    Druid being solid in PvP and Raids also really kills my smile and optimism. Those are the only two places anet really cares about class balance and as long as we can fall back on 2 year old content and succeed, SB isn't going to be high priority. Much like Cranger being in #4/5 made buffing power options irrelevant.

    Why do I feel like this is entirely the case here..
    It's not like Anet have time to fix those big issues within the short time frame of Expansion releasing period.
    All I need to do is pop the Doyak Stance and see if Anet actually does anything for SBeast.
    If a bug as simple as that is not even fixed, all the other issues you mentioned would most likely be there too.

    PS: According to my statistic , LB is already a pretty crappy weapon in PVE.
    It doesn't need Deadeye to ruin LB's position.

    Axe Warhorn: 15217
    Longbow (1000+ range + Predator): 16779
    Longbow (1000+ range + LtW): 14911
    Longbow (<500 range + Predator): 14797
    Longbow (<500 range + LtW): 12929

    You'd most likely grab Lead the Wind outside of Raid for the piercing, and most of the time you'd be within 0~700 range of the enemy, so the damage would be even lower than spamming axe from range. Axe also applies might to yourself and to your pet too, and have better aoe in general if you grab Hone Axe.
    (Barrage cd is too long) It also lock yourself out of off-hand, which either provide good dps through axe offhand or good boons through warhorn.

  • @Substance E.4852 said:
    -Dagger gets no updates at all. Same for the craptacular offhand.
    -Greatsword Maul now applies "Attack of Opportunity" after skill resolution. (can't self buff)
    -Sic Em reduced to 10% damage bonus.
    -All the low "pure damage" pet skills in BM largely ignored or only buffed by 10%.
    -Deadeye will make Longbow look like kitten. Will see a squad slot that we never got to have in WvW.
    -People will do proper golem testing to find that Cranger is still better than condi Soulbeast
    And finally...
    -All this will be apparent on Day 1 and we'll get completely frozen out while they deal with Firebrand, Spellbreaker, Weaver, and Scourge bugs and issues. Eventually, everyone will just go back to using Druid and Cranger and all forget how mediocre Soulbeast is.

    Ideally, none of this will happen but I absolutely expect Sic Em to get nerfed and was only in the beta because of an oversight. Everything else was so underwhelming and the complete lack of hints from Anet on how they're buffing up the classes for release makes me doubt many of the issues will be addressed in a timely manner, if at all.

    Druid was clearly made to be the healbot of Raids and got the attention it needed to fill that role. Soulbeast feels far more like a fun gimmick they came up with at the last minute with no real clear concept of what it's supposed to do or bring to a team.

    Druid being solid in PvP and Raids also really kills my smile and optimism. Those are the only two places anet really cares about class balance and as long as we can fall back on 2 year old content and succeed, SB isn't going to be high priority. Much like Cranger being in #4/5 made buffing power options irrelevant.

    i agree with you 100% i will also add that stance aint worth using and arenet need to think what they going to do with the elite skill second e spec that the elite aint worth using

  • Substance E.4852Substance E.4852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aomine.5012 said:
    It doesn't need Deadeye to ruin LB's position.

    I mostly meant that Deadeye will be an effective sniper pick class in WvW because they can combine extreme ranged damage, mobility, and glass in one build.

    Glass longbow actually hits pretty hard in WvW against the right targets (not frontline) but we can't kite around the zerg to hit the backline. Going full glass is also just asking to get 2 shotted by a thief looking for soft targets and they ALWAYS go for Rangers.

    We also don't have the vanilla thief's bag of tricks to avoid getting caught or ability to escape. The best a ranger can do is switch to greatsword and hope swoop and blocking can save them.

  • Lazze.9870Lazze.9870 Member ✭✭✭

    @BadSanta.6527 said:

    stance kitten right now period no matter what you going to say look at the top rangers who did some "good" soulbeast videos no one use stance for reason only bear stance and that came from mercy.

    Dolyak Stance was bugged, you doofus. If not it would have been used.

  • My biggest fear is, that we have just more problems with balancing. If you enter pvp, there are:

    • weak thieves that try to burst you, but are impossible to catch with permanent dodge. So they try 3 burstattacks per minute and after 20 minutes they will kill you. There is no counter, because you cant hit one arrow or maul and you're just too slow.
    • Warrior have 20 seconds undying modes with mass of blocks, invulnerability, stability and resistance and have additionally nice leaps to catch you, nic knockdowns to stun you and nice burst to kill you.
    • Elementalist have mass of skills to activate. For each situation there might be a skill in there rotation. If they're played passive, they will kill you just running neaby you and farting there dmg+buff skills. Massive reflects and stability, nice healburst, but weak attacks. They wont kill you if you have enough heal, but there are builds that are impossible to kill by three zerks/condis for over 20 seconds.
    • Condi necros that will kill you just by moving near you. The only counterplay is to stay away for the whole fight. And this could be a long fight.
    • Guardians have very nice boon shares and are top in group support. With traps they can do instant an impossible high damage. With the right skills they can kill fractal bosses within seconds, while the rest of the group need minutes to do the same damage.

    And after pof there will be just more of this not-to-counter builds :( Just remember the dead eyes on the cliffs in pvp, killing you within seconds. Not as fast as the original thiefs, but high distance and protected by their camping position.

    ArenaNets balancing concept: Never change a ruined system

  • I do worry about main hand dagger being a bit weak, but other than that i think condi soul beast will be a strong in spvp and wvw roaming.

  • BadSanta.6527BadSanta.6527 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 19, 2017

    @Akumetsu.8591 said:
    I do worry about main hand dagger being a bit weak, but other than that i think condi soul beast will be a strong in spvp and wvw roaming.

    Condi set up will stay at it is so no need to worry just sad

  • Aomine.5012Aomine.5012 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 19, 2017

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  • @Aomine.5012 said:

    @Akumetsu.8591 said:
    I do worry about main hand dagger being a bit weak, but other than that i think condi soul beast will be a strong in spvp and wvw roaming.

    Condition "Ranger" is never strong in PVP.
    The sustain is very mediocre compare to other condition specs.

    Condition Soulbeast plays EXACTLY THE SAME as condition ranger , so I doubt anything would change.

    Condition Druid has some minor play in PVP but by no means very strong either.

    I disagree. Top tier PvP yes its not strong.

    I play condition druid in Plat, works fine.

  • @StickerHappy.8052 said:

    @Aomine.5012 said:

    @Akumetsu.8591 said:
    I do worry about main hand dagger being a bit weak, but other than that i think condi soul beast will be a strong in spvp and wvw roaming.

    Condition "Ranger" is never strong in PVP.
    The sustain is very mediocre compare to other condition specs.

    Condition Soulbeast plays EXACTLY THE SAME as condition ranger , so I doubt anything would change.

    Condition Druid has some minor play in PVP but by no means very strong either.

    I disagree. Top tier PvP yes its not strong.

    I play condition druid in Plat, works fine.

    i dont think there is any problome with condi, im just sad the soulbeast offer nothnig new

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 19, 2017

    i think sb will be great fun. the problem is that we always only get buffs for utilities. I'd like something that we can use. an elite that does something other than just plain boons or a minor dmg buff. i think people are forgetting that longbow soulbeast actually destroys deadeyes. we have the same range as them.. and our longbow can 1 hit them with rapid fire. the only way for them to counter us is if they successfully 1 hit us from stealth.
    that being said i really do want anet to take a look at all the old pets. they got nerfed to hard.
    ppl need to stop kitten. anet is most likely going to fix soulbeast in 1 way or another.

  • Like most I'm worried about balance. There are some things I hope get buffed, some I hope don't get nerfed, and others that I wonder if the tooltip is wrong or the skill is wrong. Dagger needs buffed for it to be competitive with anything, as do most of the animal skills when merged. Sic 'em and maul were a ton of fun and I hope they don't get nerfed too hard, and making pets full health with merging probably needs to be looked at. Tooltips are weird for a lot of beast skills too, like swoop being 1200 range when it for sure isn't

  • InsaneQR.7412InsaneQR.7412 Member ✭✭✭✭

    My biggest inherent fear is that gear you need for a good soulbeast build would be to difficult to get/to expensive. And sure there is the fear that they didnt fix traits and bugs.

  • That they screw up balancing for the new elite specs and i end up being stuck on a trash tier class as my main for another two years.

  • psizone.8437psizone.8437 Member ✭✭✭

    I only worry that they didn't listen to any of the extensive feedback during and after the demos.

  • My biggest fear is necros becoming meta in more ways than one.

  • HotHit.6783HotHit.6783 Member ✭✭
    edited September 21, 2017

    The absolute worst thing that could happen is Soulbeast is relevant, beast mode is too strong and Rangers stop being Rangers. That unless we dedicate ourselves to healing we're forced by the meta to eat our own companions.

  • @HotHit.6783 said:
    The absolute worst thing that could happen is Soulbeast is relevant, beast mode is too strong and Rangers stop being Rangers. That unless we dedicate ourselves to healing we're forced by the meta to eat our own companions.

    You aren't eating them you are melding with them, the soul is within you then you let them back out once you use your awesome soul beast skills. Not sure why everyone thinks they are going to go permanent soul beast.

  • Wizler.8192Wizler.8192 Member ✭✭✭

    My biggest fear is finding a sand shark, thinking I can tame it then getting my kitten kicked.

  • Downvoting would be my biggest fear.

    mhm, ok, sure, whatever you say, no after you, I insist, no really, please, be my guest,

  • My biggest fear is that it's going to be more condi trash that the ranger didn't need... oh wait...

  • Kam.4092Kam.4092 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 22, 2017

    I came to this forum, because Ranger is my other main. I main Necro. I guess both my mains will be bad now?... I was hoping Soulbeast would be a better Condition Ranger, with Dagger replacing Axe.

  • Listening to people badmouth Ranger, saying they don't bring anything to group play. Being not wanted, or not needed. "Oh it's a Ranger, kick him." That's a lot of fun.

  • @extremexhero.9178 said:

    @HotHit.6783 said:
    The absolute worst thing that could happen is Soulbeast is relevant, beast mode is too strong and Rangers stop being Rangers. That unless we dedicate ourselves to healing we're forced by the meta to eat our own companions.

    You aren't eating them you are melding with them, the soul is within you then you let them back out once you use your awesome soul beast skills. Not sure why everyone thinks they are going to go permanent soul beast.

    Melding and unmelding... Eating and pooping... Semantics. If player testing shows the majority that keeping your pet in your stomach results in higher DPS, that's the real fear. This fear doesn't really apply to PvP, as staying in Beastmode permanently would be foolish, and outside of raiding/fractals noone can make you stay in Beastmode.

  • FrouFrou.4958FrouFrou.4958 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 22, 2017

    My biggest fear is that despite me maining my ranger for all these years, SB will be so bad I end up switching completely to another class. I already cheated on my druid by playing a reaper and core warrior for the past month in WvW.. I hate to admit it but I have had more fun playing them than I have had with my druid in a long time.

    Froudo // Judge Legends [JDGE] // Seafarer's Rest

  • Skuzz.6580Skuzz.6580 Member ✭✭✭

    @FrouFrou.4958 said:
    My biggest fear is that despite me maining my ranger for all these years, SB will be so bad I end up switching completely to another class. I already cheated on my druid by playing a reaper and core warrior for the past month in WvW.. I hate to admit it but I have had more fun playing them than I have had with my druid in a long time.

    SB = ShortBow :D

  • This is even worse than I have ever expected... Holy kitten!