darren.1064 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Stop lowering the skill floor and ceiling. Raise them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiden The Beast.3016 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Buff TEEF ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl.8924 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 @darren.1064 said:Stop lowering the skill floor and ceiling. Raise them. Its more complicated then that. Some classes need e literal overhal for that. Seems like thief is gonna need a overhaul cause folks aren't done complaining about it.God knows it would be nice to see folks not angry about thief getting nerfed into the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I highly doubt you can get lower in "skill floor" after HoT and PoF were released though, I mean, you can't really go lower than 0, unless you will count the negative axis in this."Skill ceiling", what is that? Since when GW2 had something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah Salazar.5430 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 By nerfing some classes you buff other ones as thay will be played more often ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 @"Noah Salazar.5430" said:By nerfing some classes you buff other ones as thay will be played more often ;)And then you nerf those because they are the new "OP" classes!Ohi Renegade didn't see you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Let's do as we're doing and keep nerfing other classes to inadvertently buff the others to the point that the nerfed classes are no longer fun to play, oh wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundermarch.5643 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Depending of what's up but why not as long as it dont allow one shot build or bunker meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuickFox.3826 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I disagree. A year ago everything was overpowered. The overall nerfing has been a good thing. I'm not getting one-shot anymore in sPvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 @TheQuickFox.3826 said:I disagree. A year ago everything was overpowered. The overall nerfing has been a good thing. I'm not getting one-shot anymore in sPvP.You cannot say everything is OP. If everything is OP, nothing is. What you want to say is that you prefer higher TTK. And the issue is not the game play now requires lower skill level. It now defaults to AOE and CC spam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuickFox.3826 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 @otto.5684 said:@TheQuickFox.3826 said:I disagree. A year ago everything was overpowered. The overall nerfing has been a good thing. I'm not getting one-shot anymore in sPvP.You cannot say everything is OP. If everything is OP, nothing is. What you want to say is that you prefer higher TTK. And the issue is not the game play now requires lower skill level. It now defaults to AOE and CC spam.Well, I mean that damage was high in comparison to defense/health. And I indeed prefer a higher time to kill.Nerfing is an instrument and it should be kept in the toolbox for when it it appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 @TheQuickFox.3826 said:@otto.5684 said:@TheQuickFox.3826 said:I disagree. A year ago everything was overpowered. The overall nerfing has been a good thing. I'm not getting one-shot anymore in sPvP.You cannot say everything is OP. If everything is OP, nothing is. What you want to say is that you prefer higher TTK. And the issue is not the game play now requires lower skill level. It now defaults to AOE and CC spam.Well, I mean that damage was high in comparison to defense/health. And I indeed prefer a higher time to kill.Nerfing is an instrument and it should be kept in the toolbox for when it it appropriate.Agreed, especially with the last bit. Unfortunately, the community seems to think that nerfs aren't an instrument, but rather a universal cure-all. There are many problems plaguing pvp at the moment that more nerfs can't fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp.6912 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 some class like rev need to be nerf, like i see u can play 3 build and these 3 build are meta wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multicolorhipster.9751 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 @TheQuickFox.3826 said:Nerfing is an instrument and it should be kept in the toolbox for when it it appropriate.U rite.But where they go wrong there, is that it is always appropriate now. At the end of the day deleting and nerfing things takes away from the game. If you aren't taking away some extreme example that actually makes the game less fun to play/watch, then you're just taking away from, and making an already pretty barren PvP even more boring to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shao.7236 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 @darren.1064 said:Stop lowering the skill floor and ceiling. Raise them. Not sure about that, I must be the only one who thought steam rolling 1v3 was low skill before the feb patch. Now I can't do that, I'm sure they've done the right things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomNexus.5324 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Please no.. Don't go down that rabbit hole again... Anet did this for the last 7 years and see where we arrived pre-Feb patch.. The only problem I see post-Feb patch was a veeery inconsistent execution.. I had high hopes after the first 2 major balance patches for things falling into place with more balance iterations and it only gets more refined. However - I don't need to tell this anybody - Anet failed miserably again. I think Anet is in even deeper trouble this time tho since - for me at least - they'd have to revert or rework so many core things they either fucked up or neglected but would probably never try due to backlash from someone like OP..If you only keep buffing stuff we will end up more power crept than ever soon.The game is in such a bad and volatile state, I think Anet first and foremost has to figure out what each class and spec should accomplish in the game and sPvP in particular.. I actually wouldn't mind Anet specializing some elites into Boss fights (aka PvE) or Large Scale (aka WvW) so that they can basically neglect their relevance in sPvP.Or sort them into categories like Brawler, Roamer, Support, Bunker, ... and give them purpose, each elite spec with its own twist (due to class mechanics and stuff).I really think that Anet should finally give up on forcing that "no holy trinity" philosophy since we all know that this isn't the case.. We have elite specs that excel as a bunker, some as support and some in dmg output.. GW2 on the other hand has more than a "trinity" tho since there are a lot of roles a class can fulfill like said Roamer for example due to the sPvP not just being a team deathmatch.My point is that Anet should allow themselves to set the purpose of a class based on a role in the meta (or force them out of the meta) and balance according to this. If that means a class needs nerfs then please let the nerf hammer fall, I don't care about the Q_Q because "mY fAvOrItE cLaSs Is TrAsH nOw SiNcE I'm GeTtInG pUnIsHeD fOr My MiStAkEs"!.. (aka you now have counter play from more than 1 class).GW2 always has been a Rock-Paper-Scissor type of game but Anet keeps moving towards 1 class with 9 different flavors..Something in me hopes Anet won't touch the current balance and the new elite spec gives thief torch, it would fit perfect.. More aoe condi burst spam ftw! And then even from stealth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virdo.1540 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 how about we nerf all classes so much that all are equally bad (0 damage)than nobody would complain about any op classes anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagg.9236 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Nerfs and buffs mean nothing for this game's skill ceiling if it's already fixed at such a low altitude. If you want a skill ceiling, you need ACTUAL roles which promote distinct purposes, advantages and risks; not the made-up meme nonsense like bruiser/duelist/roamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 The pvp population speaks for itself post feb patch, sure pops never been really high but its never been this low so........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 @darren.1064 said:Stop lowering the skill floor and ceiling. Raise them. The skill floor and ceiling reached bottom level when they released HoT expansion.....the first elites were already as dumb as they could get.....PoF elites only proved there is no end to human ingenuity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 We've already had two people coming to the forums, bright eyed and excited to try out their old build/class in PvP. Only to realize it got dumpstered in one of the many nerf patches. "De-powercreeping" is one of the worst things that has happened to pvp. All we've done is trade one extreme for another (less fun) extreme, and people are leaving because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liewec.2896 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 YES! i used to be excited for patch days, wondering what underused skills or obscure builds would finally get to shine.but now i dread patches, because i wonder what is going to be nerfed next...its been nearly a year since they absolutely murdered my hammer warrior (an already niche build that noone played)a revert on the feb2020 nerfs would be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 All they have been doing each patch is nerfing to the ground one or two specs...and replace them with couple others doing same things possibly in a far worst manner as not only they nerf some specs...they also buff others ...why?!They designed the professions in a certain way but the game mode requires certain roles, no matter what : you must survive long enough on a point to make a difference, there is only a finite number of roles that professions can cover in this game and that's all due to them dumbing down the game to attract a larger audience, they removed all the initial complexity and now we have professions that...do it all, from controling side-nodes to teamfights passing also as +1.-At launch you need fire fields to generate 25 might...now professions produce might passively on their own-Professions initially designed as burst with low sustain...get buffed to such an extent or gain powerful elites that remove those initial weaknesses, what's the point of designing elementalist described as "jack of all trades master of none"...when you end up buffing other professions to be jack of all trades and master of everything ?-They then created broken support mechanics like : barrier, massive condi conversion, boonspam..an now these "jack of all trades and master of everything" professions get to literally walk around as an invicible army....(WvW boonwalls are horrible in all aspects)It all started when you decided to dumb down the game to attract bigger audience...which would have been fun and all if the devs would have stopped "trying to balance" the mess they created , the Feb patch was a complete disaster, if you want to un - dumb GW2...you need to remove all elite specs...too late for band aid fixes..you only make it worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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