Make blindness work on Dragon's Maw or reveal DH when placing next trap

Leonidrex.5649 · February 4, 2021

@CutesySylveon.8290 said:
@Leonidrex.5649 said:
@Brokensunday.4098 said:
@Curennos.9307 said:I'd rather they add a little more...What to call it, variety? Depth? To the setup. Traps as a concept are all well and good, but maybe it isn't a good idea to have a trap with such narrow counters.

Stability, blocks, ports out, invul. Does not seem narrow at all to counter it .. just saying if you get stuck on it with 0 cooldows yes i see how you can die to it but thats not dm fault.

stability works.invuln worksblock does not work, you get cced back into the trapteleports kind of work, you do teleport but when teleport ends you still get knocked down.As a mesmer I never really gave a kitten cuz I had jaunt/blink and F4, but when I started playing ranger its kitten awfull.god forbids you dont have 100% cooldowns else you dead from full hp, no counterplay.like the only thing you can do is dodge out, and use stun-break during knockdown animation, and hope to gods that the trap bugs and lets you out, otherwise you die from full hp

By blocking they mean to just stand and block during the duration of the trap instead of trying to escape it. Only thing that will hurt you if you're blocking is crossing ToF and F1, which the DH shouldn't do anyway, especially if you're caught in the trap already.

F1 removes GS block or whatever other channeled blocks you might have, to survive you gotta do cute shit like dodge F1 and dodge spam through the crap and then escape with sliver of health or abuse the stun-break bug. DH doesnt need F1 damage to kill you if he can actually land sword-spin hits.

Ragnar.4257 · February 4, 2021

@Leonidrex.5649 said:
@CutesySylveon.8290 said:
@Leonidrex.5649 said:
@Brokensunday.4098 said:
@Curennos.9307 said:I'd rather they add a little more...What to call it, variety? Depth? To the setup. Traps as a concept are all well and good, but maybe it isn't a good idea to have a trap with such narrow counters.

Stability, blocks, ports out, invul. Does not seem narrow at all to counter it .. just saying if you get stuck on it with 0 cooldows yes i see how you can die to it but thats not dm fault.

stability works.invuln worksblock does not work, you get cced back into the trapteleports kind of work, you do teleport but when teleport ends you still get knocked down.As a mesmer I never really gave a kitten cuz I had jaunt/blink and F4, but when I started playing ranger its kitten awfull.god forbids you dont have 100% cooldowns else you dead from full hp, no counterplay.like the only thing you can do is dodge out, and use stun-break during knockdown animation, and hope to gods that the trap bugs and lets you out, otherwise you die from full hp

By blocking they mean to just stand and block during the duration of the trap instead of trying to escape it. Only thing that will hurt you if you're blocking is crossing ToF and F1, which the DH shouldn't do anyway, especially if you're caught in the trap already.

F1 removes GS block or whatever other channeled blocks you might have, to survive you gotta do cute kitten like dodge F1 and dodge spam through the kitten and then escape with sliver of health or abuse the stun-break bug. DH doesnt need F1 damage to kill you if he can actually land sword-spin hits.

Really? You too?

@Ragnar.4257 said:
@Curennos.9307 said:
Stab - yes, after Anet has stripped down stab access across the board.
Blocks - iirc this doesn't work? It'll knock you back into it similar to how dodging into the barrier will bounce you off. I've tried this multiple times (as a warr with shield5, most recently) and it has never worked if I try it after the trap has procced. I can still get yoinked into it too due to the unblockable spear.
Ports - GW2 has some issues where even if you port, it still considers you as having 'passed through'. They do work but it can be very wonky.
Invul - yes.
I'm not here to debate semantics and the nature of language and humanity. You're welcome to disagree with my word choice.
The issue is that trap stacking eliminates each others' counters (and the design of Maw negates other things - like as the OP mentions, blind) and the stuff that is available is either rare or self-defeating (ex: yes, I can certainly evade across a node to proc all the traps. And then I can't stand on it for a while, and the CD of said traps likely is already down or close to it so it happens again in short order. What is the point of this). Individually I find the traps fine, but stacked together it gets ridiculous. And then there're the slows, so anything you do is extremely vulnerable to everything ever.
Just...consider this. There's a Maw trap you have to get out of. You're slowed and you're taking damage from the spinny thing. Sure, fine - on my warr I'll use Stomp, no big deal. But I'm slowed, so it takes a bit and I'll take a decent chunk of damage regardless. But wait, there's another trap that damages me if I leave its circumference - which is fine, but there's still the spinny one that is gonna hit me if I stay in there. And then there's an unblockable spear that can yoink me back into it (the yoink goes through dodge, too).
All of these things are fine alone - trap that damages you if you cross it? Okay, dont' cross it. It has a pretty decent radius. Or there's a trap that damages you if you stay inside it and you can just walk/dodge out. But then, and then, etcetc - and then comes the part where the goal of the entire mode is to capture a point. Do you see how all of these things have conflicting counters? Are there counters? Yes. But they're totally inadequate, conflicting, convoluted...however you would like to describe them.

You keep talking about spear.

I don't think you have even the tiniest understanding of what it is you're complaining about.

Burn DH will not use spear to pull into traps, because then it loses all pressure from VoJ. If you're against a burn DH, the BEST THING that can happen to you is that it uses spear. It's literally the DH giving you a free win and going "hey, guess I won't do any damage for the next 20 seconds".

Majy.6792 · February 4, 2021

@Ragnar.4257 said:
@Curennos.9307 said:
@Ragnar.4257 said:
@Curennos.9307 said:
@Brokensunday.4098 said:
@Curennos.9307 said:I'd rather they add a little more...What to call it, variety? Depth? To the setup. Traps as a concept are all well and good, but maybe it isn't a good idea to have a trap with such narrow counters.

Stability, blocks, ports out, invul. Does not seem narrow at all to counter it .. just saying if you get stuck on it with 0 cooldows yes i see how you can die to it but thats not dm fault.

Stab - yes, after Anet has stripped down stab access across the board.

Blocks - iirc this doesn't work? It'll knock you back into it similar to how dodging into the barrier will bounce you off. I've tried this multiple times (as a warr with shield5, most recently) and it has never worked if I try it after the trap has procced. I can still get yoinked into it too due to the unblockable spear.

Ports - GW2 has some issues where even if you port, it still considers you as having 'passed through'. They do work but it can be very wonky.

Invul - yes.

I'm not here to debate semantics and the nature of language and humanity. You're welcome to disagree with my word choice.

The issue is that trap stacking eliminates each others' counters (and the design of Maw negates other things - like as the OP mentions, blind) and the stuff that is available is either rare or self-defeating (ex: yes, I can certainly evade across a node to proc all the traps. And then I can't stand on it for a while, and the CD of said traps likely is already down or close to it so it happens again in short order. What is the point of this). Individually I find the traps fine, but stacked together it gets ridiculous. And then there're the slows, so anything you do is extremely vulnerable to everything ever.

Just...consider this. There's a Maw trap you have to get out of. You're slowed and you're taking damage from the spinny thing. Sure, fine - on my warr I'll use Stomp, no big deal. But I'm slowed, so it takes a bit and I'll take a decent chunk of damage regardless. But wait, there's another trap that damages me if I leave its circumference - which is fine, but there's still the spinny one that is gonna hit me if I stay in there. And then there's an unblockable spear that can yoink me back into it (the yoink goes through dodge, too).

All of these things are fine alone - trap that damages you if you cross it? Okay, dont' cross it. It has a pretty decent radius. Or there's a trap that damages you if you stay inside it and you can just walk/dodge out. But then, and then, etcetc - and then comes the part where the goal of the entire mode is to capture a point. Do you see how all of these things have conflicting counters? Are there counters? Yes. But they're totally inadequate, conflicting, convoluted...however you would like to describe them.

You keep talking about spear.

I don't think you have even the tiniest understanding of what it is you're complaining about.

Burn DH will not use spear to pull into traps, because then it loses all pressure from VoJ. If you're against a burn DH, the BEST THING that can happen to you is that it uses spear. It's literally the DH giving you a free win and going "hey, guess I won't do any damage for the next 20 seconds".

I'm explaining how the mechanics can stack and create convoluted counters resulting in unfun gameplay. Not being paid to read things to you, but you can copy/paste things into google for some help if you need it.

Nope, sorry, your "counters" only make sense if you're imagining some magical DH build that is somehow both simultaneously a power build (the references you make to the damage from Test of Faith) and a condi-build. A magical build that is somehow able to use spear, and also retain VoJ damage.

All while ignoring the most obvious counter, which is that if a DH blows its entire utility bar to make a point un-contestable for 3 seconds, then the DH has made itself super vulnerable to any pressure outside of those 3 seconds.

If a necro uses all its utilities on Wells, then you can't go on point when it drops them all. Does that mean necro wells are OP? Or does it mean you are expected to be able to apply the 3 brain cells it takes to not stand on point for that short duration, and then punish the necro afterwards for having 0 sustain utility?

Just imagine it was a PvE boss. Every 20 seconds, for a period of 3 seconds, it farts out massive damage in its immediate vicinity. Even PvE players can grasp the concept of "don't be near the boss when the big damage is happening". Although I guess they did have to make the PvE boss damage fields ultra-bright in order for people to understand something so basic.

Necro wells disappear after a short period of time, traps do not. If you want to avoid DH traps that typically means giving up the node for a considerable amount of time. That's not true of wells.

Ragnar.4257 · February 4, 2021

@Majy.6792 said:
@Ragnar.4257 said:
@Curennos.9307 said:
@Ragnar.4257 said:
@Curennos.9307 said:
@Brokensunday.4098 said:
@Curennos.9307 said:I'd rather they add a little more...What to call it, variety? Depth? To the setup. Traps as a concept are all well and good, but maybe it isn't a good idea to have a trap with such narrow counters.