BOTS in pvp - a source of frustration and stress

[georgessj.4198]

@Carmine.6873 said:

@georgessj.4198 said:

@Leonidrex.5649 said:

@georgessj.4198 said:

@Fearless.3569 said:Most players are starting to believe the bots are made by ANet to populate PvP.Maybe is not Anet's bots but Anet doesnt ban bots to populate pvp, this could be true. Anyway the effect is that every year more ppl leave pvp or the game for this policy.

What you say its true but it goes deeper than that :)

[Stand The Wall.6987]

entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

[Khalisto.5780]

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

That's actually interesting, cuz I've seen 2 bots on each team, but never a full bot team.

[Khalisto.5780]

Fixing title

Bots in pvp - a scourge of frustration and stress

[Trevor Boyer.6524]

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

@Khalisto.5780 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

That's actually interesting, cuz I've seen 2 bots on each team, but never a full bot team.

It's because people are solo queueing with their bots. You have 1 guy on a main account who is running some kind of DPS usually, like a Core Burn Guard or maybe a Spellbreaker which needs to played with human intelligence. Then he just duos or trio queues with a couple of boxed windows and rocks a Support Scourge + Support Tempest or something cheese like that. Sometimes they synch the bots away from their team so the bots can throw matches for them when the bots are on the opposing team.

This current meta patching IS NOT HELPING this problem because random cheesey builds that bots can actually effectively play are really strong and over-tuned right now. AKA: Support Scourge, Supporty Burn Guards, Support Tempests spaming Shock Aura = EZPZ bots that are actually relatively effective when 1 good player is applying counter pressure to defend them. Those builds don't even require certain combo chains or anything to hit correctly. All the bots have to do is walk at things and spam support/rando condi AoE in any order as soon as skills are off of CD, and they actually are functional.

Annoying, and just another reason why support condi bomb low mechanical cheese builds should never under any circumstance be allowed to exist within meta viability. Imagine how much bot play it would cut out if the bots had to try and run something that required thinking and timing and precision, like a DP Thief or a Power Shatter Mesmer. Bots would be completely ineffective and nearly a waste of time to even load up and run.

Nerf these stupid over powered cheese builds and you'd see the bots struggle to maintain any viable level of play.

[Khalisto.5780]

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

@Khalisto.5780 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

That's actually interesting, cuz I've seen 2 bots on each team, but never a full bot team.

It's because people are solo queueing with their bots. You have 1 guy on a main account who is running some kind of DPS usually, like a Core Burn Guard or maybe a Spellbreaker which needs to played with human intelligence. Then he just duos or trio queues with a couple of boxed windows and rocks a Support Scourge + Support Tempest or something cheese like that. Sometimes they synch the bots away from their team so the bots can throw matches for them when the bots are on the opposing team.

This current meta patching IS NOT HELPING this problem because random cheesey builds that bots can actually effectively play are really strong and over-tuned right now. AKA: Support Scourge, Supporty Burn Guards, Support Tempests spaming Shock Aura = EZPZ bots that are actually relatively effective when 1 good player is applying counter pressure to defend them. Those builds don't even require certain combo chains or anything to hit correctly. All the bots have to do is walk at things and spam support/rando condi AoE in any order as soon as skills are off of CD, and they actually are functional.

Annoying, and just another reason why support condi bomb low mechanical cheese builds should never under any circumstance be allowed to exist within meta viability. Imagine how much bot play it would cut out if the bots had to try and run something that required thinking and timing and precision, like a DP Thief or a Power Shatter Mesmer. Bots would be completely ineffective and nearly a waste of time to even load up and run.

Nerf these stupid over powered cheese builds and you'd see the bots struggle to maintain any viable level of play.

I dont really care about this mini season, i just got my league tickets, almost feel like it was not worth those 6 hours gameplay for 35 league tickets

[Fueki.4753]

I'd rather play with bots than have lopsided matches with platinum players on one team and bronze players on the other.

[Psycoprophet.8107]

@Fueki.4753 said:I'd rather play with bots than have lopsided matches with platinum players on one team and bronze players on the other.

But now u still get lopsided people cuz people leave game cuz bots so pops low so u still get lopsided matches plus bots lol

[Fueki.4753]

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:But now u still get lopsided people cuz people leave game cuz bots so pops low so u still get lopsided matches plus bots lolIt's not that the current match quality is any good. I just don't want the game mode to rapidly deteriorate.The relatively high number of bots at least keep the pace of deterioration somewhat in check.I've rarely had a match with one side getting less than 100 points.Without bots, platinum vs bronze would turn into a semi-regular occurrence and teams losing with less than 100 points would occur far more often than it does now.

[Carmine.6873]

@Khalisto.5780 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

That's actually interesting, cuz I've seen 2 bots on each team, but never a full bot team.

I think they enter pvp in group of two maybe both of the same person. I've seen always 2 bots + 1 human for team in match.

[Khalisto.5780]

@Carmine.6873 said:

@Khalisto.5780 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

That's actually interesting, cuz I've seen 2 bots on each team, but never a full bot team.

I think they enter pvp in group of two maybe both of the same person. I've seen always 2 bots + 1 human for team in match.

In this case their names would be linked at final scoreboard

[Bingus.4236]

https://imgur.com/a/8FYhN8S

Three bots in the opposite team, at least 1 in my team who had a very similar name to one of the bots in the enemy team.

[Mythras.2091]

Que with scourge to minimize possibility to get another one (possibly a bot) and then reroll. All real scourge players will praise you name for everlasting waiting, but you at least tried :D

[Carmine.6873]

@"Bingus.4236" said:https://imgur.com/a/8FYhN8S

Three bots in the opposite team, at least 1 in my team who had a very similar name to one of the bots in the enemy team.

Lol what a ridiculus thing in a 2021 mmo.

[Carmine.6873]

Is this My impression or bots are reduced today?

[Bingus.4236]

Yes, I had much more fun games, with actual people. Guess it takes a while for them to download the new patch

[Kuma.1503]

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

@Khalisto.5780 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

That's actually interesting, cuz I've seen 2 bots on each team, but never a full bot team.

It's because people are solo queueing with their bots. You have 1 guy on a main account who is running some kind of DPS usually, like a Core Burn Guard or maybe a Spellbreaker which needs to played with human intelligence. Then he just duos or trio queues with a couple of boxed windows and rocks a Support Scourge + Support Tempest or something cheese like that. Sometimes they synch the bots away from their team so the bots can throw matches for them when the bots are on the opposing team.

This current meta patching IS NOT HELPING this problem because random cheesey builds that bots can actually effectively play are really strong and over-tuned right now. AKA: Support Scourge, Supporty Burn Guards, Support Tempests spaming Shock Aura = EZPZ bots that are actually relatively effective when 1 good player is applying counter pressure to defend them. Those builds don't even require certain combo chains or anything to hit correctly. All the bots have to do is walk at things and spam support/rando condi AoE in any order as soon as skills are off of CD, and they actually are functional.

Annoying, and just another reason why support condi bomb low mechanical cheese builds should never under any circumstance be allowed to exist within meta viability. Imagine how much bot play it would cut out if the bots had to try and run something that required thinking and timing and precision, like a DP Thief or a Power Shatter Mesmer. Bots would be completely ineffective and nearly a waste of time to even load up and run.

Nerf these stupid over powered cheese builds and you'd see the bots struggle to maintain any viable level of play.

I would agree with this, but the thing about bots is that they have near-perfect levels of precision. A bot can execute a combo frame perfectly every time. What this means is that if you put a bot on a power shatter mantra mesmer, it could execute a one shot combo perfectly every time. Much like players abusing macros did in the past. Personally, I don't fancy the thought of getting 100-0'd by frame-perfect mesmer bursts from stealth.

[Fueki.4753]

@"Kuma.1503" said:What this means is that if you put a bot on a power shatter mantra mesmer, it could execute a one shot combo perfectly every time. Much like players abusing macros did in the past. Personally, I don't fancy the thought of getting 100-0'd by frame-perfect mesmer bursts from stealth.

I think the bigger problem is that such a combo is possible in the first place.Bots aside, I don't think players should be able to do "100-0" anyone either, even if it's not from stealth.

[Trevor Boyer.6524]

@Kuma.1503 said:

@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

@Khalisto.5780 said:

@Stand The Wall.6987 said:entire teams of bots lol? nah. maybe 1 or 2.

That's actually interesting, cuz I've seen 2 bots on each team, but never a full bot team.

It's because people are solo queueing with their bots. You have 1 guy on a main account who is running some kind of DPS usually, like a Core Burn Guard or maybe a Spellbreaker which needs to played with human intelligence. Then he just duos or trio queues with a couple of boxed windows and rocks a Support Scourge + Support Tempest or something cheese like that. Sometimes they synch the bots away from their team so the bots can throw matches for them when the bots are on the opposing team.

This current meta patching IS NOT HELPING this problem because random cheesey builds that bots can actually effectively play are really strong and over-tuned right now. AKA: Support Scourge, Supporty Burn Guards, Support Tempests spaming Shock Aura = EZPZ bots that are actually relatively effective when 1 good player is applying counter pressure to defend them. Those builds don't even require certain combo chains or anything to hit correctly. All the bots have to do is walk at things and spam support/rando condi AoE in any order as soon as skills are off of CD, and they actually are functional.

Annoying, and just another reason why support condi bomb low mechanical cheese builds should never under any circumstance be allowed to exist within meta viability. Imagine how much bot play it would cut out if the bots had to try and run something that required thinking and timing and precision, like a DP Thief or a Power Shatter Mesmer. Bots would be completely ineffective and nearly a waste of time to even load up and run.

Nerf these stupid over powered cheese builds and you'd see the bots struggle to maintain any viable level of play.

I would agree with this, but the thing about bots is that they have near-perfect levels of precision. A bot can execute a combo frame perfectly every time. What this means is that if you put a bot on a power shatter mantra mesmer, it could execute a one shot combo perfectly every time. Much like players abusing macros did in the past. Personally, I don't fancy the thought of getting 100-0'd by frame-perfect mesmer bursts from stealth.

What?

Dude it would be so easy to 100-0 a glass cannon power shatter mesmer bot lol. Like you'd have to be engaged 1v1 vs. a real player and really not be paying attention to let a clunky predictable bot designed to repeatedly attempt the same gimmick the same manner to sneak up on you and actually land the shatter.

The more dangerous and functional bots are the ones exploiting this patching's over tuned attributes tied to supports and random minion AI. Most of the bots are Support Barrier Scourges with a bunch of minions. You'd be surprised how little accuracy is needed to run that build. All the bot has to do is follow the party around and spam its barriers & cleanses, heal utility, and weapon skills vs. a called target = EZ Support Bot. And believe me, they aren't so easy to kill if a good player is making sure to counter pressure and cover the bot. Those bots do their job well actually and it enrages me.

Bots attempting a script to actually land highly complex precision play bursting don't work out well if you're sending them at anything above a gold 2 level. Those stupid support scourge bots though, those things can coexist in plat+ environments.

[Khalisto.5780]

Another bot thread bites the dust

Dude there was right, i wish a forum moderator got a promotion to ban bots, we'd be clean in a week

[TallBarr.2184]

If its anets bots they should tell us. Not doing anything looks worse.

[Shaogin.2679]

I mean, bots thrive in a game mode that forces you to take them on your team. Then you either carry them or take the L. So long as Solo Queue exists, bots will exist.

It also wouldn't surprise me if Anet was throwing in some bots to boost population, other games like CoD: Mobile already do this as well.

[De Bourgogne.9642]

8 minutes ago, Shogen.5071 said:

the issue is A nets desire to turn spvp into an esport....

can one be more wrong then this?

[Shogen.5071]

14 minutes ago, McPero.3287 said:

can one be more wrong then this?

trust me the game was way more fun before they went and decided to cull 70% of the build craft

Edited August 15, 2021 by Shogen.5071

[De Bourgogne.9642]

Just now, Shogen.5071 said:

trust me the game was way more fun before they went decided to cull 70% of the build craft

Again build variety is not 70% less then it ever was. Just like Anet hasnt been trying to make PvP for esports since they closed down esports years ago.