Good lord, people still play spvp?

Downstate.4697 · March 28, 2021

The combat system worked better in vanilla gw2. Too much support for a game that has heal skills. Combo fields are still unique but degraded in value when HoT came out.

Lucentfir.7430 · March 29, 2021

@Shao.7236 said:
@Lucentfir.7430 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@Lucentfir.7430 said:
@Shao.7236 said:And on the other side you have players if not many top 10 that says GW2 has the best combat no matter the balance. It's okay, it ain't for you. You can go back to whatever makes you happier.

GW2 has the best skill based MMO combat system in the genre, next to BDO from what I hear(but I can't speak for BDO since I haven't played it), i don't think anyone who's played it for a decent amount of time can deny that. Though don't confuse the top 10 lists as an indication sign of game state well being. Being on a top 10 combat system list doesn't mean it's doing well or in a healthy state. Frankly people that played before want to come back, but the direction the game has been heading in, is a big contributor why people won't, plus word of mouth(or text).

BDO is way more unbalanced and very very very pay to win.. the combat system there is very interesting , but its an corean mmo unfortunately.

Which only further proves my point, why no one should take a top 10 list as an indicator that the game's health state. I've heard BDO was P2W as well but as far as that goes combat is satisfying in that game.

My post has nothing to do with the health state of any games, only that most mention GW2 having the best combat even if it's not close to being number 1 in that ranking.

If we had to talk about GW2 PvP health state, it's filled with passive aggressive players not statisfied with their ability to be overpowered anymore. The huge lack of attention to the niche details that used to barely matter which now do and that's not something most have noticed.

@

You love to see it, hiding behind the "You can't be overpowered anymore QQ" reasoning because that's your own skewed view on why everyone's complaining. It's like a wannabe casual try hard reasoning to justify why you think everyone else who contests that thought is wrong. Keep your view like that but keep in mind that's your opinion, not everyone else.

So basically nerf things that work well so bad things look better. Good intricate changes man. :+1: But then again that's just all about they can do. It's not like they can actually balance the classes individually and actually have attention and care to the classes they balance. Nope, it's very apparent they can't especially with year long intentionally broken traits, removal of amulets and how long between balance patches that were supposed to be faster? \o/

Shao.7236 · March 29, 2021

@Lucentfir.7430 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@Lucentfir.7430 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@Lucentfir.7430 said:
@Shao.7236 said:And on the other side you have players if not many top 10 that says GW2 has the best combat no matter the balance. It's okay, it ain't for you. You can go back to whatever makes you happier.

GW2 has the best skill based MMO combat system in the genre, next to BDO from what I hear(but I can't speak for BDO since I haven't played it), i don't think anyone who's played it for a decent amount of time can deny that. Though don't confuse the top 10 lists as an indication sign of game state well being. Being on a top 10 combat system list doesn't mean it's doing well or in a healthy state. Frankly people that played before want to come back, but the direction the game has been heading in, is a big contributor why people won't, plus word of mouth(or text).

BDO is way more unbalanced and very very very pay to win.. the combat system there is very interesting , but its an corean mmo unfortunately.

Which only further proves my point, why no one should take a top 10 list as an indicator that the game's health state. I've heard BDO was P2W as well but as far as that goes combat is satisfying in that game.

My post has nothing to do with the health state of any games, only that most mention GW2 having the best combat even if it's not close to being number 1 in that ranking.

If we had to talk about GW2 PvP health state, it's filled with passive aggressive players not statisfied with their ability to be overpowered anymore. The huge lack of attention to the niche details that used to barely matter which now do and that's not something most have noticed.

@

You love to see it, hiding behind the "You can't be overpowered anymore QQ" reasoning because that's your own skewed view on why everyone's complaining. It's like a wannabe casual try hard reasoning to justify why you think everyone else who contests that thought is wrong. Keep your view like that but keep in mind that's your opinion, not everyone else.

So basically nerf things that work well so bad things look better. Good intricate changes man. :+1: But then again that's just all about they can do. It's not like they can actually balance the classes individually and actually have attention and care to the classes they balance. Nope, it's very apparent they can't especially with year long intentionally broken traits, removal of amulets and how long between balance patches that were supposed to be faster? \o/

They've already broke their patch release time for PvP compared the past years, that's already surprising given EoD is also being worked on.

Removing amulets is better than nerfing over dozens of traits and skills that would make them mandatory in the first place, when other existing amulets are more balanced.

I have yet to see anything overpowered from individual players nowadays. You can also narrow the users of past beyond broken builds of the last years by dismantling the complains, builds that were so strong but apparently fine to those whom played them even though they prevented other decent builds of the "variety" kind from spawning.

Tetherbreaker will always be the first that comes to mind, it was the stupidest thing Anet had ever allowed in PvP next to Sic Em 50k unblockable damage. To remind again that apparently was fine

The game is objectively better right now and people don't know what to make of it. Because the meta isn't coming down to any consistent closure for players to exploit.

JTGuevara.9018 · March 29, 2021

@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:Between the shoddy glicko matchmaking system, the bots, the community toxicity, I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun. I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.
My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg titles .

Well from all of the mmorpgs on the market which I have tried , gw2 has the best pvp in my opinion. Thats why i play it and i believe many other people too...

If you dont like it , i think nobody forces you to play it...

To any new players which happens to read this, dont trust any sorce like this (including me) just try it by your self and make your own judgement.

If what you say is true then...that is just SAD. If

this

is the best pvp that mmorpgs can offer, then just stick a fork in it. Wrap it up. Move on. Also, you say "don't trust any source like this (including me)" but then yet advise to "try it by yourself and make your own judgement". So which is it?...

Personally, I would rather be _direct_when I make a case to new players. To me it's take my argument as is or leave it. Simple as that.

@"Crab Fear.1624" said:When players say Gw2 has the best combat, best pvp...this is all I hear

And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

I advice everybody to dont trust too much different people's opinions specially when it is without any reasoning behind it and i advice everybody to try it out if they want to, so they can judge it by them selfs not by the words of someone else

I started playing gw2 from about 2 months ... If i just believed the forums (and post like yours) i wouldn't try it, but i did and so far i love it. The game is great in my opinion especially for causal players and very new player friendly. So if you want to help new players try to be objective and describe what your opinion is and why, insead of "

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.

If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg" , because such statements neither help new people , neither the game.

I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun

What are you trying to achieve with that question? People play it because they like it .... Simple as that

A few things.

--One. So, you support the pvp. Be honest and upfront about it then. Take a direct stance. Don't take a vague stance like, "Don't trust anyone's opinions..." but then disagree with me. Again, which is it?

--Two, I'm not trying to be "objective". Such a thing does not exist with people. People are not objective, they have their own opinions and interests, even the so-called "objective" ones.

--Three, I posted this out of curiousity and laughs, after not posting on the pvp forums in like a thousand years bewildered that people actually still play this.

--Four, I'm not trying to help anyone or the game. I stopped playing pvp almost a year ago, I could not care less about it, I've played it for years(8) and arguably more than I really should've. To new players, like yourself, I only give a warning: don't expect great, if any, improvements. Enjoy it while you're new and don't get that invested into it. The decline of pvp is long-term and has been and is a consistent pattern over the years.

@Grand Marshal.4098 said:
And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

You simply are not acquainted with Mr Tyler 1 that's all. xD

But in response to the original video poster, that's totally what happens.

The only thing that guy needs to be acquainted with is a professional for addictive playing habits and a bad temper.

You came with some form of expectation and assume miraculous changes would ever take place. That's not something which will ever happen in this game, have yet to see that happening in any that I've played. (The base of any game always remained the same for consistency, it's normal but you're making it sound like it isn't.)

What kind of improvements or change is there to expect with the foundation already laid out? What kind of decline, you mean bleeding players over a powercrept mess? The lack of intervention? Statements are just as vague, PvP is not in the far side of negativity just yet although it isn't in the positive either, actions taken however does bring back value into it that you shouldn't expect any players to take in a good light because everyone was used to the mess that it was much before.

It's safe to say that the playerbase here is not good at adapting.

I have assumed nothing. I already left. What do I care about improvements and expectations? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. To the extent that I had expectations, they only mattered back when I was still playing. All that I have said is: pvp is in a terminal decline. Simple as that. No more and no less. But to be more specific, yes, decline is because of powercreep mess as well as all the other reasons I've said in the OP(toxic community, shoddy matchmaking system, etc.).

razaelll.8324 · March 29, 2021

@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:Between the shoddy glicko matchmaking system, the bots, the community toxicity, I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun. I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.
My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg titles .

Well from all of the mmorpgs on the market which I have tried , gw2 has the best pvp in my opinion. Thats why i play it and i believe many other people too...

If you dont like it , i think nobody forces you to play it...

To any new players which happens to read this, dont trust any sorce like this (including me) just try it by your self and make your own judgement.

If what you say is true then...that is just SAD. If

this

is the best pvp that mmorpgs can offer, then just stick a fork in it. Wrap it up. Move on. Also, you say "don't trust any source like this (including me)" but then yet advise to "try it by yourself and make your own judgement". So which is it?...

Personally, I would rather be _direct_when I make a case to new players. To me it's take my argument as is or leave it. Simple as that.

@"Crab Fear.1624" said:When players say Gw2 has the best combat, best pvp...this is all I hear

And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

I advice everybody to dont trust too much different people's opinions specially when it is without any reasoning behind it and i advice everybody to try it out if they want to, so they can judge it by them selfs not by the words of someone else

I started playing gw2 from about 2 months ... If i just believed the forums (and post like yours) i wouldn't try it, but i did and so far i love it. The game is great in my opinion especially for causal players and very new player friendly. So if you want to help new players try to be objective and describe what your opinion is and why, insead of "

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.

If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg" , because such statements neither help new people , neither the game.

I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun

What are you trying to achieve with that question? People play it because they like it .... Simple as that

A few things.

--One. So, you support the pvp. Be honest and upfront about it then. Take a direct stance. Don't take a vague stance like, "Don't trust anyone's opinions..." but then disagree with me. Again, which is it?

I took a direct stance which is the oposite of yours, i support the game and i dont hide it, that does not mean people should believe me, they should try it by their selfs and make their own judjements. So what exactly you dont understand here?

--Two, I'm not trying to be "objective". Such a thing does not exist with people. People are not objective, they have their own opinions and interests, even the so-called "objective" ones.

Doesnt look like you are stating an opinion more like making a unfun joke. Ofcourse objective exist, if you cant be objective thats your problem.

--Three, I posted this out of curiousity and laughs, after not posting on the pvp forums in like a thousand years bewildered that people actually still play this.

Yes people play it not because they are adicted but because they like it simple as that.

--Four, I'm not trying to help anyone or the game. I stopped playing pvp almost a year ago, I could not care less about it, I've played it for years(8) and arguably more than I really should've. To new players, like yourself, I only give a warning: don't expect great, if any, improvements. Enjoy it while you're new and don't get that invested into it. The decline of pvp is long-term and has been and is a consistent pattern over the years.

I heard that in every single mmorpg i played, there is aways a vocal minority which is not satisfied. I dont play the game for what it could be but for what it is, so i dont expect anything.

@Grand Marshal.4098 said:
And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

You simply are not acquainted with Mr Tyler 1 that's all. xD

But in response to the original video poster, that's totally what happens.

The only thing that guy needs to be acquainted with is a professional for addictive playing habits and a bad temper.

Widmo.3186 · March 29, 2021

@razaelll.8324 said:
@"Widmo.3186" said:This 'best combat system' sentence should be put right below 'Guild Wars2' on top of the forum site, the most often used argument.I mean, I agree, its good. But wouldnt say best, its different, it works, nice. There are other mmo's with different combat system but that doesn't mean theyre bad, just different. Pick your poison. Anyway as tyler1 video said, if you need to stick (addicted) to a game only because it offers combat system that you like the most and meanwhile company is straight forward killing it, its kinda yikes if u ask me. Stay stronk

I wonder what makes you believe that i am or the others playing the game are "addicted" ... I like the combat system, i like the game, it relaxes me after work and i am having tons of fun in it thats why i play it. For me it has the best combat system and the closest thing to a real balance which i have seen in a mmorpg. If you dont like it then find something which you like and play it, simple as that.

Did I say that YOU are addicted? I said 'IF you', which means that doesnt apply to everyone, but some people. Trust me, I know tons of people that have already left, or still stay around, that only reason they play gw2 is because of the combat system. Addiction was used as a quote from the video, but during many talks with other people that word was used as well, ppl get addicted to gw2 cuz they have no other options, they dont like WoW casting time, BDO p2w etc. so their only option is gw2 and waiting for new upcoming (hopefully) options.You have fun playing the game? Wow bro, nice, keep it up and have fun!

Also i would like to ask what makes you believe that anet are "killing" their own game?

I see you have 2 stars and barely 100 comments. I know how it feels for new guy to play gw2, it actually looks like the best game and will surely bring you joy for quite a few months. Problem starts with older players that just got bored or frustrated cuz of balance or lack of content issues. Stick around buddy, see decision making (or rather lack of it) from ANet side and you'll understand

TheBigPlay.7504 · March 29, 2021

@Shao.7236 said:
@TheBigPlay.7504 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@Lucentfir.7430 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@Lucentfir.7430 said:
@Shao.7236 said:And on the other side you have players if not many top 10 that says GW2 has the best combat no matter the balance. It's okay, it ain't for you. You can go back to whatever makes you happier.

GW2 has the best skill based MMO combat system in the genre, next to BDO from what I hear(but I can't speak for BDO since I haven't played it), i don't think anyone who's played it for a decent amount of time can deny that. Though don't confuse the top 10 lists as an indication sign of game state well being. Being on a top 10 combat system list doesn't mean it's doing well or in a healthy state. Frankly people that played before want to come back, but the direction the game has been heading in, is a big contributor why people won't, plus word of mouth(or text).

BDO is way more unbalanced and very very very pay to win.. the combat system there is very interesting , but its an corean mmo unfortunately.

Which only further proves my point, why no one should take a top 10 list as an indicator that the game's health state. I've heard BDO was P2W as well but as far as that goes combat is satisfying in that game.

My post has nothing to do with the health state of any games, only that most mention GW2 having the best combat even if it's not close to being number 1 in that ranking.

If we had to talk about GW2 PvP health state, it's filled with passive aggressive players not statisfied with their ability to be overpowered anymore. The huge lack of attention to the niche details that used to barely matter which now do and that's not something most have noticed.

Are you defending the bunker meta... Yikes

Thinking there's a bunker meta, yikes.

I don't think we're playing the same game here everybody is literally a menders bunker

razaelll.8324 · March 29, 2021

@Widmo.3186 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@Widmo.3186 said:This 'best combat system' sentence should be put right below 'Guild Wars2' on top of the forum site, the most often used argument.I mean, I agree, its good. But wouldnt say best, its different, it works, nice. There are other mmo's with different combat system but that doesn't mean theyre bad, just different. Pick your poison. Anyway as tyler1 video said, if you need to stick (addicted) to a game only because it offers combat system that you like the most and meanwhile company is straight forward killing it, its kinda yikes if u ask me. Stay stronk

I wonder what makes you believe that i am or the others playing the game are "addicted" ... I like the combat system, i like the game, it relaxes me after work and i am having tons of fun in it thats why i play it. For me it has the best combat system and the closest thing to a real balance which i have seen in a mmorpg. If you dont like it then find something which you like and play it, simple as that.

Did I say that YOU are addicted? I said 'IF you', which means that doesnt apply to everyone, but some people. Trust me, I know tons of people that have already left, or still stay around, that only reason they play gw2 is because of the combat system. Addiction was used as a quote from the video, but during many talks with other people that word was used as well, ppl get addicted to gw2 cuz they have no other options, they dont like WoW casting time, BDO p2w etc. so their only option is gw2 and waiting for new upcoming (hopefully) options.You have fun playing the game? Wow bro, nice, keep it up and have fun!

I simply asked what makes you think that way, never said that you claim i am addicted, maybe i didnt asked my question properly , excuse me for that. Also as far as i know playing the game because there is no better option doesn't mean addicted.

Also i would like to ask what makes you believe that anet are "killing" their own game?

I see you have 2 stars and barely 100 comments. I know how it feels for new guy to play gw2, it actually looks like the best game and will surely bring you joy for quite a few months. Problem starts with older players that just got bored or frustrated cuz of balance or lack of content issues. Stick around buddy, see decision making (or rather lack of it) from ANet side and you'll understand

Well i dont know is it the best game or not because that is subjective. It is casual friendly and thats what i like , i dont have to grind tons of hours just to be competitive in pvp and the pvp system it self is interesting in which personal skill have great value which is what i want from pvp . There is plenty of content to experience , overall it suits what i search in a mmorpg.

Stick around buddy, see decision making (or rather lack of it) from ANet side and you'll understandDecision making in big companies is aways a problem , because the prime goal of a company is to make profit and that does not aways aline with what is best for the player base unfortunately (good examples of that BDO,WoW, ArcheAge e.t.c.).

Nightcore.5621 · March 29, 2021

The combat is good but playin pvp in guild wars 2 is just not fun

Widmo.3186 · March 29, 2021

@razaelll.8324 said:
@Widmo.3186 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@Widmo.3186 said:This 'best combat system' sentence should be put right below 'Guild Wars2' on top of the forum site, the most often used argument.I mean, I agree, its good. But wouldnt say best, its different, it works, nice. There are other mmo's with different combat system but that doesn't mean theyre bad, just different. Pick your poison. Anyway as tyler1 video said, if you need to stick (addicted) to a game only because it offers combat system that you like the most and meanwhile company is straight forward killing it, its kinda yikes if u ask me. Stay stronk

I wonder what makes you believe that i am or the others playing the game are "addicted" ... I like the combat system, i like the game, it relaxes me after work and i am having tons of fun in it thats why i play it. For me it has the best combat system and the closest thing to a real balance which i have seen in a mmorpg. If you dont like it then find something which you like and play it, simple as that.

Did I say that YOU are addicted? I said 'IF you', which means that doesnt apply to everyone, but some people. Trust me, I know tons of people that have already left, or still stay around, that only reason they play gw2 is because of the combat system. Addiction was used as a quote from the video, but during many talks with other people that word was used as well, ppl get addicted to gw2 cuz they have no other options, they dont like WoW casting time, BDO p2w etc. so their only option is gw2 and waiting for new upcoming (hopefully) options.You have fun playing the game? Wow bro, nice, keep it up and have fun!

I simply asked what makes you think that way, never said that you claim i am addicted, maybe i didnt asked my question properly , excuse me for that. Also as far as i know playing the game because there is no better option doesn't mean addicted.

Also i would like to ask what makes you believe that anet are "killing" their own game?

I see you have 2 stars and barely 100 comments. I know how it feels for new guy to play gw2, it actually looks like the best game and will surely bring you joy for quite a few months. Problem starts with older players that just got bored or frustrated cuz of balance or lack of content issues. Stick around buddy, see decision making (or rather lack of it) from ANet side and you'll understand

Well i dont know is it the best game or not because that is subjective. It is casual friendly and thats what i like , i dont have to grind tons of hours just to be competitive in pvp and the pvp system it self is interesting in which personal skill have great value which is what i want from pvp . There is plenty of content to experience , overall it suits what i search in a mmorpg.

Stick around buddy, see decision making (or rather lack of it) from ANet side and you'll understandDecision making in big companies is aways a problem , because the prime goal of a company is to make profit and that does not aways aline with what is best for the player base unfortunately (good examples of that BDO,WoW, ArcheAge e.t.c.).

GW2 is very casual friendly, it used to be competetive (even ESL was interested in it years ago) but ANet just started neglecting it and its what we have now. And thats what I said, because of its casuality its probably the best mmo to get into, have fun and enjoy your stay mate. Just as others said above, dont expect much, matchmaking issues, bots, cheaters, lack of population, wintrading, random buffs/nerfs from ANet side, balance issues, patches every god knows when, unfulfilled promises and so on and so on. Its fun for hundreds of hours, then you either start noticing something is wrong or become biased as some people, defending company even there where they objectivelly made huge mistakes.You played WoW, right? I will just leave you with a story, imagine that some1 played in ATC and wintraded game, every1 knows that and there are proofs. Well, in ANet story that persons team got month suspension from the game. Thats it. They kept their rewards (title) and accounts. Thats the competetive level of the game nowadays

razaelll.8324 · March 29, 2021

@"Widmo.3186" said:You played WoW, right? I will just leave you with a story, imagine that some1 played in ATC and wintraded game, every1 knows that and there are proofs. Well, in ANet story that persons team got month suspension from the game. Thats it. They kept their rewards (title) and accounts. Thats the competetive level of the game nowadays

That is what happens in WoW currently too. Win trading, boosting, imbalances in much larger scale , waiting for hours just to find a teammate which leaves after 1 game , waiting months for an issue to be addressed and so on ...

People there pay real money to get boosted in ranked pvp and blizzard doing nothing about that..

edit: There is a bug in the game which is know for over an year reported countless of times (game braking bug in pvp) and at the last AWC that bug happened and a team probably lost the match because of that bug , people in the live stream chat started spamming about the bug and blizzard just started muting or banning them and the bug is still not resolved. (This is a tournament in which you get real money for winning not just game rewards).

The community there are asking for some specific changes which they want and the company director goes out in public and say " you think you want that , but you dont" , instead of trying to understand why the community is asking for this changes....

What i am trying to say is that Blizzard is way worse in how they handle their game in my opinion.

Trevor Boyer.6524 · March 29, 2021

@Lucentfir.7430 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@Lucentfir.7430 said:
@Shao.7236 said:And on the other side you have players if not many top 10 that says GW2 has the best combat no matter the balance. It's okay, it ain't for you. You can go back to whatever makes you happier.

GW2 has the best skill based MMO combat system in the genre, next to BDO from what I hear(but I can't speak for BDO since I haven't played it), i don't think anyone who's played it for a decent amount of time can deny that. Though don't confuse the top 10 lists as an indication sign of game state well being. Being on a top 10 combat system list doesn't mean it's doing well or in a healthy state. Frankly people that played before want to come back, but the direction the game has been heading in, is a big contributor why people won't, plus word of mouth(or text).

BDO is way more unbalanced and very very very pay to win.. the combat system there is very interesting , but its an corean mmo unfortunately.

Which only further proves my point, why no one should take a top 10 list as an indicator that the game's health state. I've heard BDO was P2W as well but as far as that goes combat is satisfying in that game.

Oh no... I had gone on a vast search for a good game to play of the same genre, but they're all kind of bad compared to GW2 for one reason or another.

This is why it is super unfortunate that they did not take the pvp design & growth more seriously in this game. They really did have the best combat engine for an mmorpg spanning at least for 9 years now and they completely wasted it.

What happened here was an amazing waste of resources. Kind of like if some 18 year old kid had amazing inborn professional athlete worthy genetics, and he received a scholarship for it to go to a nice university, but he instead chose to smoke crack and ruin his life.

Shao.7236 · March 29, 2021

@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:Between the shoddy glicko matchmaking system, the bots, the community toxicity, I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun. I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.
My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg titles .

Well from all of the mmorpgs on the market which I have tried , gw2 has the best pvp in my opinion. Thats why i play it and i believe many other people too...

If you dont like it , i think nobody forces you to play it...

To any new players which happens to read this, dont trust any sorce like this (including me) just try it by your self and make your own judgement.

If what you say is true then...that is just SAD. If

this

is the best pvp that mmorpgs can offer, then just stick a fork in it. Wrap it up. Move on. Also, you say "don't trust any source like this (including me)" but then yet advise to "try it by yourself and make your own judgement". So which is it?...

Personally, I would rather be _direct_when I make a case to new players. To me it's take my argument as is or leave it. Simple as that.

@"Crab Fear.1624" said:When players say Gw2 has the best combat, best pvp...this is all I hear

And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

I advice everybody to dont trust too much different people's opinions specially when it is without any reasoning behind it and i advice everybody to try it out if they want to, so they can judge it by them selfs not by the words of someone else

I started playing gw2 from about 2 months ... If i just believed the forums (and post like yours) i wouldn't try it, but i did and so far i love it. The game is great in my opinion especially for causal players and very new player friendly. So if you want to help new players try to be objective and describe what your opinion is and why, insead of "

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.

If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg" , because such statements neither help new people , neither the game.

I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun

What are you trying to achieve with that question? People play it because they like it .... Simple as that

A few things.

--One. So, you support the pvp. Be honest and upfront about it then. Take a direct stance. Don't take a vague stance like, "Don't trust anyone's opinions..." but then disagree with me. Again, which is it?

--Two, I'm not trying to be "objective". Such a thing does not exist with people. People are not objective, they have their own opinions and interests, even the so-called "objective" ones.

--Three, I posted this out of curiousity and laughs, after not posting on the pvp forums in like a thousand years bewildered that people actually still play this.

--Four, I'm not trying to help anyone or the game. I stopped playing pvp almost a year ago, I could not care less about it, I've played it for years(8) and arguably more than I really should've. To new players, like yourself, I only give a warning: don't expect great, if any, improvements. Enjoy it while you're new and don't get that invested into it. The decline of pvp is long-term and has been and is a consistent pattern over the years.

@Grand Marshal.4098 said:
And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

You simply are not acquainted with Mr Tyler 1 that's all. xD

But in response to the original video poster, that's totally what happens.

The only thing that guy needs to be acquainted with is a professional for addictive playing habits and a bad temper.

You came with some form of expectation and assume miraculous changes would ever take place. That's not something which will ever happen in this game, have yet to see that happening in any that I've played. (The base of any game always remained the same for consistency, it's normal but you're making it sound like it isn't.)

What kind of improvements or change is there to expect with the foundation already laid out? What kind of decline, you mean bleeding players over a powercrept mess? The lack of intervention? Statements are just as vague, PvP is not in the far side of negativity just yet although it isn't in the positive either, actions taken however does bring back value into it that you shouldn't expect any players to take in a good light because everyone was used to the mess that it was much before.

It's safe to say that the playerbase here is not good at adapting.

I have assumed

nothing

.

I already left.

What do I care about improvements and expectations? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. To the extent that I had expectations, they only mattered back when I was still playing. All that I have said is: pvp is in a terminal decline. Simple as that. No more and no less. But to be more specific, yes, decline is because of powercreep mess as well as all the other reasons I've said in the OP(toxic community, shoddy matchmaking system, etc.).

It's in your statement, that nothing has really changed and it's just a downward spiral. I don't see how Anet could make it any different from the very beginning.

hellsmachine.4085 · March 29, 2021

I'm enjoying it, with queue times as short as they are, it's evident that so are many other players. I like that the barrier to entry is non existent, I don't need to grind gear or farm for consumables just to stay competitive like I need to in other MMOs I've played.

If you're not enjoying it, then don't play it. Show me an MMO with perfect PvP that hasn't died off due to lack of players. GW2 is as good as it gets.

felix.2386 · March 29, 2021

yea, i quit this pvp game for how boring it is like 3 months ago, like during this 3 months i tried to come back, but i just couldnt i log on once a week and i had enough.and now i came back only to finish my legendary, which i need to pvp for them mats, because i lack karma to buy them in pve lol

JTGuevara.9018 · March 29, 2021

@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:Between the shoddy glicko matchmaking system, the bots, the community toxicity, I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun. I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.
My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg titles .

Well from all of the mmorpgs on the market which I have tried , gw2 has the best pvp in my opinion. Thats why i play it and i believe many other people too...

If you dont like it , i think nobody forces you to play it...

To any new players which happens to read this, dont trust any sorce like this (including me) just try it by your self and make your own judgement.

If what you say is true then...that is just SAD. If

this

is the best pvp that mmorpgs can offer, then just stick a fork in it. Wrap it up. Move on. Also, you say "don't trust any source like this (including me)" but then yet advise to "try it by yourself and make your own judgement". So which is it?...

Personally, I would rather be _direct_when I make a case to new players. To me it's take my argument as is or leave it. Simple as that.

@"Crab Fear.1624" said:When players say Gw2 has the best combat, best pvp...this is all I hear

And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

I advice everybody to dont trust too much different people's opinions specially when it is without any reasoning behind it and i advice everybody to try it out if they want to, so they can judge it by them selfs not by the words of someone else

I started playing gw2 from about 2 months ... If i just believed the forums (and post like yours) i wouldn't try it, but i did and so far i love it. The game is great in my opinion especially for causal players and very new player friendly. So if you want to help new players try to be objective and describe what your opinion is and why, insead of "

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.

If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg" , because such statements neither help new people , neither the game.

I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun

What are you trying to achieve with that question? People play it because they like it .... Simple as that

A few things.

--One. So, you support the pvp. Be honest and upfront about it then. Take a direct stance. Don't take a vague stance like, "Don't trust anyone's opinions..." but then disagree with me. Again, which is it?

--Two, I'm not trying to be "objective". Such a thing does not exist with people. People are not objective, they have their own opinions and interests, even the so-called "objective" ones.

--Three, I posted this out of curiousity and laughs, after not posting on the pvp forums in like a thousand years bewildered that people actually still play this.

--Four, I'm not trying to help anyone or the game. I stopped playing pvp almost a year ago, I could not care less about it, I've played it for years(8) and arguably more than I really should've. To new players, like yourself, I only give a warning: don't expect great, if any, improvements. Enjoy it while you're new and don't get that invested into it. The decline of pvp is long-term and has been and is a consistent pattern over the years.

@"Grand Marshal.4098" said:
And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

You simply are not acquainted with Mr Tyler 1 that's all. xD

But in response to the original video poster, that's totally what happens.

The only thing that guy needs to be acquainted with is a professional for addictive playing habits and a bad temper.

You came with some form of expectation and assume miraculous changes would ever take place. That's not something which will ever happen in this game, have yet to see that happening in any that I've played. (The base of any game always remained the same for consistency, it's normal but you're making it sound like it isn't.)

What kind of improvements or change is there to expect with the foundation already laid out? What kind of decline, you mean bleeding players over a powercrept mess? The lack of intervention? Statements are just as vague, PvP is not in the far side of negativity just yet although it isn't in the positive either, actions taken however does bring back value into it that you shouldn't expect any players to take in a good light because everyone was used to the mess that it was much before.

It's safe to say that the playerbase here is not good at adapting.

I have assumed

nothing

.

I already left.

What do I care about improvements and expectations? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. To the extent that I had expectations, they only mattered back when I was still playing. All that I have said is: pvp is in a terminal decline. Simple as that. No more and no less. But to be more specific, yes, decline is because of powercreep mess as well as all the other reasons I've said in the OP(toxic community, shoddy matchmaking system, etc.).

It's in your statement, that nothing has really changed and it's just a downward spiral. I don't see how Anet could make it any different from the very beginning.

So what is your point of contention then? That you never had expectations but I did? Well...sorry about that...sorry for expecting better out of a service I paid for, I guess... Back when I played I had modest expectations, nothing too "wild", but that's in the past. Again--what does it matter? Look, if you're going to defend the game...defend it. Don't come at me and nitpick my statements.

Shao.7236 · March 29, 2021

@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:Between the shoddy glicko matchmaking system, the bots, the community toxicity, I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun. I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.
My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg titles .

Well from all of the mmorpgs on the market which I have tried , gw2 has the best pvp in my opinion. Thats why i play it and i believe many other people too...

If you dont like it , i think nobody forces you to play it...

To any new players which happens to read this, dont trust any sorce like this (including me) just try it by your self and make your own judgement.

If what you say is true then...that is just SAD. If

this

is the best pvp that mmorpgs can offer, then just stick a fork in it. Wrap it up. Move on. Also, you say "don't trust any source like this (including me)" but then yet advise to "try it by yourself and make your own judgement". So which is it?...

Personally, I would rather be _direct_when I make a case to new players. To me it's take my argument as is or leave it. Simple as that.

@"Crab Fear.1624" said:When players say Gw2 has the best combat, best pvp...this is all I hear

And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

I advice everybody to dont trust too much different people's opinions specially when it is without any reasoning behind it and i advice everybody to try it out if they want to, so they can judge it by them selfs not by the words of someone else

I started playing gw2 from about 2 months ... If i just believed the forums (and post like yours) i wouldn't try it, but i did and so far i love it. The game is great in my opinion especially for causal players and very new player friendly. So if you want to help new players try to be objective and describe what your opinion is and why, insead of "

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.

If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg" , because such statements neither help new people , neither the game.

I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun

What are you trying to achieve with that question? People play it because they like it .... Simple as that

A few things.

--One. So, you support the pvp. Be honest and upfront about it then. Take a direct stance. Don't take a vague stance like, "Don't trust anyone's opinions..." but then disagree with me. Again, which is it?

--Two, I'm not trying to be "objective". Such a thing does not exist with people. People are not objective, they have their own opinions and interests, even the so-called "objective" ones.

--Three, I posted this out of curiousity and laughs, after not posting on the pvp forums in like a thousand years bewildered that people actually still play this.

--Four, I'm not trying to help anyone or the game. I stopped playing pvp almost a year ago, I could not care less about it, I've played it for years(8) and arguably more than I really should've. To new players, like yourself, I only give a warning: don't expect great, if any, improvements. Enjoy it while you're new and don't get that invested into it. The decline of pvp is long-term and has been and is a consistent pattern over the years.

@"Grand Marshal.4098" said:
And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

You simply are not acquainted with Mr Tyler 1 that's all. xD

But in response to the original video poster, that's totally what happens.

The only thing that guy needs to be acquainted with is a professional for addictive playing habits and a bad temper.

You came with some form of expectation and assume miraculous changes would ever take place. That's not something which will ever happen in this game, have yet to see that happening in any that I've played. (The base of any game always remained the same for consistency, it's normal but you're making it sound like it isn't.)

What kind of improvements or change is there to expect with the foundation already laid out? What kind of decline, you mean bleeding players over a powercrept mess? The lack of intervention? Statements are just as vague, PvP is not in the far side of negativity just yet although it isn't in the positive either, actions taken however does bring back value into it that you shouldn't expect any players to take in a good light because everyone was used to the mess that it was much before.

It's safe to say that the playerbase here is not good at adapting.

I have assumed

nothing

.

I already left.

What do I care about improvements and expectations? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. To the extent that I had expectations, they only mattered back when I was still playing. All that I have said is: pvp is in a terminal decline. Simple as that. No more and no less. But to be more specific, yes, decline is because of powercreep mess as well as all the other reasons I've said in the OP(toxic community, shoddy matchmaking system, etc.).

It's in your statement, that nothing has really changed and it's just a downward spiral. I don't see how Anet could make it any different from the very beginning.

So

what

is your point of contention then? That you never had expectations but I did? Well...sorry about that...sorry for expecting better out of a service I paid for, I guess... Back when I played I had modest expectations, nothing too "wild", but that's in the past. Again--

what does it matter?

Look, if you're going to defend the game...

defend it

. Don't come at me and nitpick my statements.

I'm not, the game was never meant to change from what it began as, that's all I'm saying.

What would "you" expect to change anyway is the real question, if you expected something. What did you expect, what could they do better if there's anything that's in their power to is more like I'd ask from you.

Puck.3697 · March 29, 2021

GW2 is one of the only MMOS left that to some extent atleast respects players time.

Games such as WoW have built to the point where ur forced to participate in 13 systems, 3 months of timegated progression and boring half thought out content where ur just thankful GW2 Actually let you PvP without forcing PvE down ur throat first. games not perfect. but the combat is fun, and i find pvp also fun overall. im pretty new to the game so far. but i can say its defintly one of the more enjoyable games.

any good game is gonna have 13 things u rage over.. but it'll keep you here. thats just the way it is

JTGuevara.9018 · March 29, 2021

@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:Between the shoddy glicko matchmaking system, the bots, the community toxicity, I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun. I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.
My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg titles .

Well from all of the mmorpgs on the market which I have tried , gw2 has the best pvp in my opinion. Thats why i play it and i believe many other people too...

If you dont like it , i think nobody forces you to play it...

To any new players which happens to read this, dont trust any sorce like this (including me) just try it by your self and make your own judgement.

If what you say is true then...that is just SAD. If

this

is the best pvp that mmorpgs can offer, then just stick a fork in it. Wrap it up. Move on. Also, you say "don't trust any source like this (including me)" but then yet advise to "try it by yourself and make your own judgement". So which is it?...

Personally, I would rather be _direct_when I make a case to new players. To me it's take my argument as is or leave it. Simple as that.

@"Crab Fear.1624" said:When players say Gw2 has the best combat, best pvp...this is all I hear

And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

I advice everybody to dont trust too much different people's opinions specially when it is without any reasoning behind it and i advice everybody to try it out if they want to, so they can judge it by them selfs not by the words of someone else

I started playing gw2 from about 2 months ... If i just believed the forums (and post like yours) i wouldn't try it, but i did and so far i love it. The game is great in my opinion especially for causal players and very new player friendly. So if you want to help new players try to be objective and describe what your opinion is and why, insead of "

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.

If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg" , because such statements neither help new people , neither the game.

I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun

What are you trying to achieve with that question? People play it because they like it .... Simple as that

A few things.

--One. So, you support the pvp. Be honest and upfront about it then. Take a direct stance. Don't take a vague stance like, "Don't trust anyone's opinions..." but then disagree with me. Again, which is it?

--Two, I'm not trying to be "objective". Such a thing does not exist with people. People are not objective, they have their own opinions and interests, even the so-called "objective" ones.

--Three, I posted this out of curiousity and laughs, after not posting on the pvp forums in like a thousand years bewildered that people actually still play this.

--Four, I'm not trying to help anyone or the game. I stopped playing pvp almost a year ago, I could not care less about it, I've played it for years(8) and arguably more than I really should've. To new players, like yourself, I only give a warning: don't expect great, if any, improvements. Enjoy it while you're new and don't get that invested into it. The decline of pvp is long-term and has been and is a consistent pattern over the years.

@"Grand Marshal.4098" said:
And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

You simply are not acquainted with Mr Tyler 1 that's all. xD

But in response to the original video poster, that's totally what happens.

The only thing that guy needs to be acquainted with is a professional for addictive playing habits and a bad temper.

You came with some form of expectation and assume miraculous changes would ever take place. That's not something which will ever happen in this game, have yet to see that happening in any that I've played. (The base of any game always remained the same for consistency, it's normal but you're making it sound like it isn't.)

What kind of improvements or change is there to expect with the foundation already laid out? What kind of decline, you mean bleeding players over a powercrept mess? The lack of intervention? Statements are just as vague, PvP is not in the far side of negativity just yet although it isn't in the positive either, actions taken however does bring back value into it that you shouldn't expect any players to take in a good light because everyone was used to the mess that it was much before.

It's safe to say that the playerbase here is not good at adapting.

I have assumed

nothing

.

I already left.

What do I care about improvements and expectations? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. To the extent that I had expectations, they only mattered back when I was still playing. All that I have said is: pvp is in a terminal decline. Simple as that. No more and no less. But to be more specific, yes, decline is because of powercreep mess as well as all the other reasons I've said in the OP(toxic community, shoddy matchmaking system, etc.).

It's in your statement, that nothing has really changed and it's just a downward spiral. I don't see how Anet could make it any different from the very beginning.

So

what

is your point of contention then? That you never had expectations but I did? Well...sorry about that...sorry for expecting better out of a service I paid for, I guess... Back when I played I had modest expectations, nothing too "wild", but that's in the past. Again--

what does it matter?

Look, if you're going to defend the game...

defend it

. Don't come at me and nitpick my statements.

I'm not, the game was never meant to change from what it began as, that's all I'm saying.

What would "you" expect to change anyway is the real question, if you expected something. What did you expect, what could they do better if there's anything that's in their power to is more like I'd ask from you.

And that's where you're wrong. No online game strives to "never change", gw2 pvp is no exception, that's called being stagnant. A game that never changes loses players and money. And a stagnant game means a dead game. That is just the point blank reality. What we have are failed changes, changes for the worse, which lead people to leave towards better games.

razaelll.8324 · March 29, 2021

@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:Between the shoddy glicko matchmaking system, the bots, the community toxicity, I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun. I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.
My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg titles .

Well from all of the mmorpgs on the market which I have tried , gw2 has the best pvp in my opinion. Thats why i play it and i believe many other people too...

If you dont like it , i think nobody forces you to play it...

To any new players which happens to read this, dont trust any sorce like this (including me) just try it by your self and make your own judgement.

If what you say is true then...that is just SAD. If

this

is the best pvp that mmorpgs can offer, then just stick a fork in it. Wrap it up. Move on. Also, you say "don't trust any source like this (including me)" but then yet advise to "try it by yourself and make your own judgement". So which is it?...

Personally, I would rather be _direct_when I make a case to new players. To me it's take my argument as is or leave it. Simple as that.

@"Crab Fear.1624" said:When players say Gw2 has the best combat, best pvp...this is all I hear

And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

I advice everybody to dont trust too much different people's opinions specially when it is without any reasoning behind it and i advice everybody to try it out if they want to, so they can judge it by them selfs not by the words of someone else

I started playing gw2 from about 2 months ... If i just believed the forums (and post like yours) i wouldn't try it, but i did and so far i love it. The game is great in my opinion especially for causal players and very new player friendly. So if you want to help new players try to be objective and describe what your opinion is and why, insead of "

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.

If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg" , because such statements neither help new people , neither the game.

I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun

What are you trying to achieve with that question? People play it because they like it .... Simple as that

A few things.

--One. So, you support the pvp. Be honest and upfront about it then. Take a direct stance. Don't take a vague stance like, "Don't trust anyone's opinions..." but then disagree with me. Again, which is it?

--Two, I'm not trying to be "objective". Such a thing does not exist with people. People are not objective, they have their own opinions and interests, even the so-called "objective" ones.

--Three, I posted this out of curiousity and laughs, after not posting on the pvp forums in like a thousand years bewildered that people actually still play this.

--Four, I'm not trying to help anyone or the game. I stopped playing pvp almost a year ago, I could not care less about it, I've played it for years(8) and arguably more than I really should've. To new players, like yourself, I only give a warning: don't expect great, if any, improvements. Enjoy it while you're new and don't get that invested into it. The decline of pvp is long-term and has been and is a consistent pattern over the years.

@"Grand Marshal.4098" said:
And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

You simply are not acquainted with Mr Tyler 1 that's all. xD

But in response to the original video poster, that's totally what happens.

The only thing that guy needs to be acquainted with is a professional for addictive playing habits and a bad temper.

You came with some form of expectation and assume miraculous changes would ever take place. That's not something which will ever happen in this game, have yet to see that happening in any that I've played. (The base of any game always remained the same for consistency, it's normal but you're making it sound like it isn't.)

What kind of improvements or change is there to expect with the foundation already laid out? What kind of decline, you mean bleeding players over a powercrept mess? The lack of intervention? Statements are just as vague, PvP is not in the far side of negativity just yet although it isn't in the positive either, actions taken however does bring back value into it that you shouldn't expect any players to take in a good light because everyone was used to the mess that it was much before.

It's safe to say that the playerbase here is not good at adapting.

I have assumed

nothing

.

I already left.

What do I care about improvements and expectations? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. To the extent that I had expectations, they only mattered back when I was still playing. All that I have said is: pvp is in a terminal decline. Simple as that. No more and no less. But to be more specific, yes, decline is because of powercreep mess as well as all the other reasons I've said in the OP(toxic community, shoddy matchmaking system, etc.).

It's in your statement, that nothing has really changed and it's just a downward spiral. I don't see how Anet could make it any different from the very beginning.

So

what

is your point of contention then? That you never had expectations but I did? Well...sorry about that...sorry for expecting better out of a service I paid for, I guess... Back when I played I had modest expectations, nothing too "wild", but that's in the past. Again--

what does it matter?

Look, if you're going to defend the game...

defend it

. Don't come at me and nitpick my statements.

I'm not, the game was never meant to change from what it began as, that's all I'm saying.

What would "you" expect to change anyway is the real question, if you expected something. What did you expect, what could they do better if there's anything that's in their power to is more like I'd ask from you.

And

that's

where you're wrong. No online game strives to "never change", gw2 pvp is no exception, that's called being stagnant. A game that never changes loses players and money. And a stagnant game means a dead game. That is just the point blank reality. What we have are

failed

changes, changes for the worse, which lead people to leave towards better games.

Old people leave and new people come , thats the way it is.

As i said previously if you dont like it noone forces you to play it.

My point is this: It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on. If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg

Thats is the statement which i disagreed with, because its actually the opposite, people like and play gw2 because it respects their time (casual friendly) and the pvp is better than the pvp in other mmorpgs.

Can it be better? - Ofcourse it can

Is there more balanced pvp in a fantasy mmorpg? - not to my knowledge and i have played and tried many many mmorpgs.

Edit: actually to be fair i can think of just one but it is medieval mmo without fantasy elements with mount and blade like combat system but it is still in beta(early access) with very small budged and player base, but it very very different type of mmo which i dont think can be compared to gw2 since it is not a fantasy as i pointed out.

JTGuevara.9018 · March 29, 2021

@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:Between the shoddy glicko matchmaking system, the bots, the community toxicity, I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun. I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.
My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg titles .

Well from all of the mmorpgs on the market which I have tried , gw2 has the best pvp in my opinion. Thats why i play it and i believe many other people too...

If you dont like it , i think nobody forces you to play it...

To any new players which happens to read this, dont trust any sorce like this (including me) just try it by your self and make your own judgement.

If what you say is true then...that is just SAD. If

this

is the best pvp that mmorpgs can offer, then just stick a fork in it. Wrap it up. Move on. Also, you say "don't trust any source like this (including me)" but then yet advise to "try it by yourself and make your own judgement". So which is it?...

Personally, I would rather be _direct_when I make a case to new players. To me it's take my argument as is or leave it. Simple as that.

@"Crab Fear.1624" said:When players say Gw2 has the best combat, best pvp...this is all I hear

And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

I advice everybody to dont trust too much different people's opinions specially when it is without any reasoning behind it and i advice everybody to try it out if they want to, so they can judge it by them selfs not by the words of someone else

I started playing gw2 from about 2 months ... If i just believed the forums (and post like yours) i wouldn't try it, but i did and so far i love it. The game is great in my opinion especially for causal players and very new player friendly. So if you want to help new players try to be objective and describe what your opinion is and why, insead of "

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.

If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg" , because such statements neither help new people , neither the game.

I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun

What are you trying to achieve with that question? People play it because they like it .... Simple as that

A few things.

--One. So, you support the pvp. Be honest and upfront about it then. Take a direct stance. Don't take a vague stance like, "Don't trust anyone's opinions..." but then disagree with me. Again, which is it?

--Two, I'm not trying to be "objective". Such a thing does not exist with people. People are not objective, they have their own opinions and interests, even the so-called "objective" ones.

--Three, I posted this out of curiousity and laughs, after not posting on the pvp forums in like a thousand years bewildered that people actually still play this.

--Four, I'm not trying to help anyone or the game. I stopped playing pvp almost a year ago, I could not care less about it, I've played it for years(8) and arguably more than I really should've. To new players, like yourself, I only give a warning: don't expect great, if any, improvements. Enjoy it while you're new and don't get that invested into it. The decline of pvp is long-term and has been and is a consistent pattern over the years.

@"Grand Marshal.4098" said:
And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

You simply are not acquainted with Mr Tyler 1 that's all. xD

But in response to the original video poster, that's totally what happens.

The only thing that guy needs to be acquainted with is a professional for addictive playing habits and a bad temper.

You came with some form of expectation and assume miraculous changes would ever take place. That's not something which will ever happen in this game, have yet to see that happening in any that I've played. (The base of any game always remained the same for consistency, it's normal but you're making it sound like it isn't.)

What kind of improvements or change is there to expect with the foundation already laid out? What kind of decline, you mean bleeding players over a powercrept mess? The lack of intervention? Statements are just as vague, PvP is not in the far side of negativity just yet although it isn't in the positive either, actions taken however does bring back value into it that you shouldn't expect any players to take in a good light because everyone was used to the mess that it was much before.

It's safe to say that the playerbase here is not good at adapting.

I have assumed

nothing

.

I already left.

What do I care about improvements and expectations? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. To the extent that I had expectations, they only mattered back when I was still playing. All that I have said is: pvp is in a terminal decline. Simple as that. No more and no less. But to be more specific, yes, decline is because of powercreep mess as well as all the other reasons I've said in the OP(toxic community, shoddy matchmaking system, etc.).

It's in your statement, that nothing has really changed and it's just a downward spiral. I don't see how Anet could make it any different from the very beginning.

So

what

is your point of contention then? That you never had expectations but I did? Well...sorry about that...sorry for expecting better out of a service I paid for, I guess... Back when I played I had modest expectations, nothing too "wild", but that's in the past. Again--

what does it matter?

Look, if you're going to defend the game...

defend it

. Don't come at me and nitpick my statements.

I'm not, the game was never meant to change from what it began as, that's all I'm saying.

What would "you" expect to change anyway is the real question, if you expected something. What did you expect, what could they do better if there's anything that's in their power to is more like I'd ask from you.

And

that's

where you're wrong. No online game strives to "never change", gw2 pvp is no exception, that's called being stagnant. A game that never changes loses players and money. And a stagnant game means a dead game. That is just the point blank reality. What we have are

failed

changes, changes for the worse, which lead people to leave towards better games.

Old people leave and new people come , thats the way it is.

As i said previously if you dont like it noone forces you to play it.

My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg

Thats is the statement which i disagreed with, because its actually the opposite, people like and play gw2 because it respects their time (casual friendly) and the pvp is better than the pvp in other mmorpgs.

Can it be better? - Ofcourse it can

Is there more balanced pvp in a fantasy mmorpg? - not to my knowledge and i have played and tried many many mmorpgs.

Edit: actually to be fair i can think of just one but it is medieval mmo without fantasy elements with mount and blade like combat system but it is still in beta(early access) with very small budged and player base, but it very very different type of mmo which i dont think can be compared to gw2 since it is not a fantasy as i pointed out.

So you disagree. Fine! That's all you needed to say!

I will dispute that though. pvp in gw2 may be the best out of the pvp in mmorpgs, but that's not saying much. It still fails in terms of pvp. Other games and genres simply do it better. As far as respecting time goes, that is a very basic thing that should go without saying in any game you play. That's a really low bar.

Shao.7236 · March 29, 2021

@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:Between the shoddy glicko matchmaking system, the bots, the community toxicity, I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun. I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.
My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg titles .

Well from all of the mmorpgs on the market which I have tried , gw2 has the best pvp in my opinion. Thats why i play it and i believe many other people too...

If you dont like it , i think nobody forces you to play it...

To any new players which happens to read this, dont trust any sorce like this (including me) just try it by your self and make your own judgement.

If what you say is true then...that is just SAD. If

this

is the best pvp that mmorpgs can offer, then just stick a fork in it. Wrap it up. Move on. Also, you say "don't trust any source like this (including me)" but then yet advise to "try it by yourself and make your own judgement". So which is it?...

Personally, I would rather be _direct_when I make a case to new players. To me it's take my argument as is or leave it. Simple as that.

@"Crab Fear.1624" said:When players say Gw2 has the best combat, best pvp...this is all I hear

And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

I advice everybody to dont trust too much different people's opinions specially when it is without any reasoning behind it and i advice everybody to try it out if they want to, so they can judge it by them selfs not by the words of someone else

I started playing gw2 from about 2 months ... If i just believed the forums (and post like yours) i wouldn't try it, but i did and so far i love it. The game is great in my opinion especially for causal players and very new player friendly. So if you want to help new players try to be objective and describe what your opinion is and why, insead of "

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.

If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg" , because such statements neither help new people , neither the game.

I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun

What are you trying to achieve with that question? People play it because they like it .... Simple as that

A few things.

--One. So, you support the pvp. Be honest and upfront about it then. Take a direct stance. Don't take a vague stance like, "Don't trust anyone's opinions..." but then disagree with me. Again, which is it?

--Two, I'm not trying to be "objective". Such a thing does not exist with people. People are not objective, they have their own opinions and interests, even the so-called "objective" ones.

--Three, I posted this out of curiousity and laughs, after not posting on the pvp forums in like a thousand years bewildered that people actually still play this.

--Four, I'm not trying to help anyone or the game. I stopped playing pvp almost a year ago, I could not care less about it, I've played it for years(8) and arguably more than I really should've. To new players, like yourself, I only give a warning: don't expect great, if any, improvements. Enjoy it while you're new and don't get that invested into it. The decline of pvp is long-term and has been and is a consistent pattern over the years.

@"Grand Marshal.4098" said:
And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

You simply are not acquainted with Mr Tyler 1 that's all. xD

But in response to the original video poster, that's totally what happens.

The only thing that guy needs to be acquainted with is a professional for addictive playing habits and a bad temper.

You came with some form of expectation and assume miraculous changes would ever take place. That's not something which will ever happen in this game, have yet to see that happening in any that I've played. (The base of any game always remained the same for consistency, it's normal but you're making it sound like it isn't.)

What kind of improvements or change is there to expect with the foundation already laid out? What kind of decline, you mean bleeding players over a powercrept mess? The lack of intervention? Statements are just as vague, PvP is not in the far side of negativity just yet although it isn't in the positive either, actions taken however does bring back value into it that you shouldn't expect any players to take in a good light because everyone was used to the mess that it was much before.

It's safe to say that the playerbase here is not good at adapting.

I have assumed

nothing

.

I already left.

What do I care about improvements and expectations? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. To the extent that I had expectations, they only mattered back when I was still playing. All that I have said is: pvp is in a terminal decline. Simple as that. No more and no less. But to be more specific, yes, decline is because of powercreep mess as well as all the other reasons I've said in the OP(toxic community, shoddy matchmaking system, etc.).

It's in your statement, that nothing has really changed and it's just a downward spiral. I don't see how Anet could make it any different from the very beginning.

So

what

is your point of contention then? That you never had expectations but I did? Well...sorry about that...sorry for expecting better out of a service I paid for, I guess... Back when I played I had modest expectations, nothing too "wild", but that's in the past. Again--

what does it matter?

Look, if you're going to defend the game...

defend it

. Don't come at me and nitpick my statements.

I'm not, the game was never meant to change from what it began as, that's all I'm saying.

What would "you" expect to change anyway is the real question, if you expected something. What did you expect, what could they do better if there's anything that's in their power to is more like I'd ask from you.

And

that's

where you're wrong. No online game strives to "never change", gw2 pvp is no exception, that's called being stagnant. A game that never changes loses players and money. And a stagnant game means a dead game. That is just the point blank reality. What we have are

failed

changes, changes for the worse, which lead people to leave towards better games.

Many games out there like TF2 and CSGO from the base never changes yet they are still well and alive considered their age. Contrary to GW2 which has way more new content than those as we go, this is why I really want to know what you think they could add.

razaelll.8324 · March 30, 2021

@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@Shao.7236 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:
@razaelll.8324 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:Between the shoddy glicko matchmaking system, the bots, the community toxicity, I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun. I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.
My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg titles .

Well from all of the mmorpgs on the market which I have tried , gw2 has the best pvp in my opinion. Thats why i play it and i believe many other people too...

If you dont like it , i think nobody forces you to play it...

To any new players which happens to read this, dont trust any sorce like this (including me) just try it by your self and make your own judgement.

If what you say is true then...that is just SAD. If

this

is the best pvp that mmorpgs can offer, then just stick a fork in it. Wrap it up. Move on. Also, you say "don't trust any source like this (including me)" but then yet advise to "try it by yourself and make your own judgement". So which is it?...

Personally, I would rather be _direct_when I make a case to new players. To me it's take my argument as is or leave it. Simple as that.

@"Crab Fear.1624" said:When players say Gw2 has the best combat, best pvp...this is all I hear

And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

I advice everybody to dont trust too much different people's opinions specially when it is without any reasoning behind it and i advice everybody to try it out if they want to, so they can judge it by them selfs not by the words of someone else

I started playing gw2 from about 2 months ... If i just believed the forums (and post like yours) i wouldn't try it, but i did and so far i love it. The game is great in my opinion especially for causal players and very new player friendly. So if you want to help new players try to be objective and describe what your opinion is and why, insead of "

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.

If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg" , because such statements neither help new people , neither the game.

I cannot fathom why people still continue to play this at all, even for fun

What are you trying to achieve with that question? People play it because they like it .... Simple as that

A few things.

--One. So, you support the pvp. Be honest and upfront about it then. Take a direct stance. Don't take a vague stance like, "Don't trust anyone's opinions..." but then disagree with me. Again, which is it?

--Two, I'm not trying to be "objective". Such a thing does not exist with people. People are not objective, they have their own opinions and interests, even the so-called "objective" ones.

--Three, I posted this out of curiousity and laughs, after not posting on the pvp forums in like a thousand years bewildered that people actually still play this.

--Four, I'm not trying to help anyone or the game. I stopped playing pvp almost a year ago, I could not care less about it, I've played it for years(8) and arguably more than I really should've. To new players, like yourself, I only give a warning: don't expect great, if any, improvements. Enjoy it while you're new and don't get that invested into it. The decline of pvp is long-term and has been and is a consistent pattern over the years.

@"Grand Marshal.4098" said:
And goodness gracious....that man needs a therapist...

You simply are not acquainted with Mr Tyler 1 that's all. xD

But in response to the original video poster, that's totally what happens.

The only thing that guy needs to be acquainted with is a professional for addictive playing habits and a bad temper.

You came with some form of expectation and assume miraculous changes would ever take place. That's not something which will ever happen in this game, have yet to see that happening in any that I've played. (The base of any game always remained the same for consistency, it's normal but you're making it sound like it isn't.)

What kind of improvements or change is there to expect with the foundation already laid out? What kind of decline, you mean bleeding players over a powercrept mess? The lack of intervention? Statements are just as vague, PvP is not in the far side of negativity just yet although it isn't in the positive either, actions taken however does bring back value into it that you shouldn't expect any players to take in a good light because everyone was used to the mess that it was much before.

It's safe to say that the playerbase here is not good at adapting.

I have assumed

nothing

.

I already left.

What do I care about improvements and expectations? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. To the extent that I had expectations, they only mattered back when I was still playing. All that I have said is: pvp is in a terminal decline. Simple as that. No more and no less. But to be more specific, yes, decline is because of powercreep mess as well as all the other reasons I've said in the OP(toxic community, shoddy matchmaking system, etc.).

It's in your statement, that nothing has really changed and it's just a downward spiral. I don't see how Anet could make it any different from the very beginning.

So

what

is your point of contention then? That you never had expectations but I did? Well...sorry about that...sorry for expecting better out of a service I paid for, I guess... Back when I played I had modest expectations, nothing too "wild", but that's in the past. Again--

what does it matter?

Look, if you're going to defend the game...

defend it

. Don't come at me and nitpick my statements.

I'm not, the game was never meant to change from what it began as, that's all I'm saying.

What would "you" expect to change anyway is the real question, if you expected something. What did you expect, what could they do better if there's anything that's in their power to is more like I'd ask from you.

And

that's

where you're wrong. No online game strives to "never change", gw2 pvp is no exception, that's called being stagnant. A game that never changes loses players and money. And a stagnant game means a dead game. That is just the point blank reality. What we have are

failed

changes, changes for the worse, which lead people to leave towards better games.

Old people leave and new people come , thats the way it is.

As i said previously if you dont like it noone forces you to play it.

My point is this:
It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, folks. It ain't getting better, it's time to move on.
If people want pvp, they go to the older mmorpg

Thats is the statement which i disagreed with, because its actually the opposite, people like and play gw2 because it respects their time (casual friendly) and the pvp is better than the pvp in other mmorpgs.

Can it be better? - Ofcourse it can

Is there more balanced pvp in a fantasy mmorpg? - not to my knowledge and i have played and tried many many mmorpgs.

Edit: actually to be fair i can think of just one but it is medieval mmo without fantasy elements with mount and blade like combat system but it is still in beta(early access) with very small budged and player base, but it very very different type of mmo which i dont think can be compared to gw2 since it is not a fantasy as i pointed out.

So you disagree. Fine! That's all you needed to say!

I did multiple times.

I will dispute that though. pvp in gw2 may be the best out of the pvp in mmorpgs, but that's not saying much.

Hehe it is. Having th best pvp in the genre is not something to be neglected in my opinion.

It still fails in terms of pvp. Other games and genres simply do it better.

Give me a example of mmorpg with better pvp please. Or can you please elaborate on what it exactly fails?

As far as respecting time goes, that is a very basic thing that should go without saying in any game you play. That's a really low bar.

Well it is not this days , not much mmorpg respect your time at all.

From what you wrote so far i think you dont tried many mmorpgs, which is fine. But the reason i started writing to you was the way you state your opinion like everybody should agree with it. Well despite your dislike about the game , other people still like it for what it is so that is the answer of the question in the title of your post.

Please dont get me wrong i am not trying to start a fight neither to offend you in any way. Just trying to say that your initial post was a bit offensive (for the people which enjoy the game ) and not very true in my opinion.

Tharan.9085 · March 30, 2021

@JTGuevara.9018 said:I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.

Yet here you are, making a comment on the pvp forums

JTGuevara.9018 · March 30, 2021

@Tharan.9085 said:
@JTGuevara.9018 said:I left this sinking ship at august of last year and never looked back.

Yet here you are, making a comment on the pvp forums

Yes that is correct. Multiple ones actually. You're quite observant!

Good lord, people still play spvp?

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