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The issues with an Aura wardrobe that not many are talking about...

DakotaCoty.5721DakotaCoty.5721 Member ✭✭✭
edited October 21, 2017 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

I'll make this simple...
1. Rich people exist...
You may ask "why is this relevant?"

  • Some people stack their expensive auras; Liquid Aurillium, Chak Egg Sac, Preserved Queen Bee, Ghostly Infusions.

    • This means these same people, if Auras/Infusions were added to a 'wardrobe' would lose quite a bit of value if they cannot stack their infusions.
  • If infusions work like our current wardrobe system; we could see a potential crash of all expensive infusions.

How would ArenaNet help preserve the level of wealth that these infusions require if they are added to a wardrobe, assuming the logic that people are going with is that they act like transmutation charges/any wardrobe feature where you select it in or out once and it's placed in your 'account'.

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  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭

    "That no one is talking about" 《 redirect yourself to my nightfury conundrum topic, several topics on the old forum and more fire on reddit that Balthazar had ever seen.

    On a serious, this is a very relevant topic, and i always encourage to bring it up when they can.

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  • DakotaCoty.5721DakotaCoty.5721 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 21, 2017

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    "That no one is talking about" 《 redirect yourself to my nightfury conundrum topic, several topics on the old forum and more fire on reddit that Balthazar had ever seen.

    On a serious, this is a very relevant topic, and i always encourage to bring it up when they can.

    I skim read a lot of the "PLEASE GIVE AURA WARDROBE" threads, and most of the high-profile ones completely neglect the impact that such a treatment could have on the economy, I do apologise if I missed it in one of the initial posts, but it seems everyone wants a system like this and not really thinking of then negative impact a poorly-implemented system added could have.

    Titled amended accordingly...

  • Arzurag.7506Arzurag.7506 Member ✭✭✭

    I can stack weapons/specific skins in my inventory/bank as well.
    Adding a wardrobe for infusions or other effects would change little to nothing.

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  • jwaz.1908jwaz.1908 Member ✭✭✭

    They could always preserve the infusions/shoulder items that give those auras, while simply adding an extra wardrobe slot for people who have that infusion/shoulder unlocked and want to use the effect on alts or without having to remove their shoulder skin.

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  • Shaaba.5672Shaaba.5672 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 21, 2017

    So because you can't stack seven different infusions with this hypothetical new system, the infusions themselves would lose value? They are not soulbound, right? Sell the ones you won't/can't use anymore. Sure, they would lose value, but I don't think it will be a precipitous crash. Even so, it's not like Anet hasn't radically altered the economy before. PoF launch has seen the crash of oricalcum for reasons I don't understand. (I understand why it crashed, just not sure why we needed so many extra faucets)

  • dusanyu.4057dusanyu.4057 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 21, 2017

    We need less human discoballs not make more by making it Easter to create them.

  • Mewcifer.5198Mewcifer.5198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The wardrobe would just need as many slots as there can be infusions worn at the same time. Or still allow infusions to be worn on armor and have the wardrobe slots be like 2 or 3. That way people can stack EVEN MORE MWAHAHAHA!

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  • @Shaaba.5672 said:
    So because you can't stack seven different infusions with this hypothetical new system, the infusions themselves would lose value? They are not soulbound, right? Sell the ones you won't/can't use anymore. Sure, they would lose value, but I don't think it will be a precipitous crash. Even so, it's not like Anet hasn't radically altered the economy before. PoF launch has seen the crash of oricalcum for reasons I don't understand. (I understand why it crashed, just not sure why we needed so many extra faucets)

    Yes, because a 'crash' in a 3 silver item is definitely as bad as a potentially 15k+ item becoming effectively cheap so everyone can afford it.

  • Magnus Godrik.5841Magnus Godrik.5841 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I wouldn't be mad at a infusion wardrobe if it only used auras from weps or trinkets.

  • Moonlit.6421Moonlit.6421 Member ✭✭✭

    Oh I thought this was gonna be about being able to preview auras in the wardrobe lol, oh well

  • Ayakaru.6583Ayakaru.6583 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2017

    @DakotaCoty.5721 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    "That no one is talking about" 《 redirect yourself to my nightfury conundrum topic, several topics on the old forum and more fire on reddit that Balthazar had ever seen.

    On a serious, this is a very relevant topic, and i always encourage to bring it up when they can.

    I skim read a lot of the "PLEASE GIVE AURA WARDROBE" threads, and most of the high-profile ones completely neglect the impact that such a treatment could have on the economy, I do apologise if I missed it in one of the initial posts, but it seems everyone wants a system like this and not really thinking of then negative impact a poorly-implemented system added could have.

    Titled amended accordingly...

    But you're right, i skimmed a little to fast,
    I thought you were advocating the wardrobe, but you're opposing it. Because, if i get your stance right, the value would drop if people couldn't stack them.
    But i personally have one suggestion:
    An aura slot next to the armour slots. That way they can wear 6 auras at once.
    The wardrobe is by itself not a bad idea, but requires good implementation.
    But i have two issues, firstly, are there that many overly rich people? And secondly, is it so bad if the value of auras dropped?
    I mean.. the only people for whom it would be bad if the price dropped, would be TP flippers, right?

    To defeat the dragons, see the good in them.
    Zhaitan reunites lost ones, primordus creates fertile land, mordremoth spreads the green, and jormag..
    ..jormag? Who's that?

  • jwaz.1908jwaz.1908 Member ✭✭✭

    I agree with @Ayakaru.6583, would it really THAT big a deal if these ridiculously priced items dropped? Even 2000g would be a lot for them, and some are around 8000g. Items that only the 1% of the playerbase can afford are not very fun.

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  • Hyper Cutter.9376Hyper Cutter.9376 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2017

    @DakotaCoty.5721 said:
    Yes, because a 'crash' in a 3 silver item is definitely as bad as a potentially 15k+ item becoming effectively cheap so everyone can afford it.

    That literally would not happen. All those items except the color ones have drop rates that make precursors look downright common, they will never be cheap.

  • I have an idea make is so you have a wardrobe system for effects but when you make the effect account bound it turns the infusion into a normal plus 9 or 10 infusion. You can also only slot into your 9 or so wardrobe slots how ever many infusion effects you made account bound. So if you made 9 account bound you can slot 9 if only 3 then 3 can be slotted. then have what ever slots for gear effects; so you can still use things like aurora but you don't need to have the effect unless you want it.

  • @Ayakaru.6583 said:

    @DakotaCoty.5721 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    "That no one is talking about" 《 redirect yourself to my nightfury conundrum topic, several topics on the old forum and more fire on reddit that Balthazar had ever seen.

    On a serious, this is a very relevant topic, and i always encourage to bring it up when they can.

    I skim read a lot of the "PLEASE GIVE AURA WARDROBE" threads, and most of the high-profile ones completely neglect the impact that such a treatment could have on the economy, I do apologise if I missed it in one of the initial posts, but it seems everyone wants a system like this and not really thinking of then negative impact a poorly-implemented system added could have.

    Titled amended accordingly...

    But you're right, i skimmed a little to fast,
    I thought you were advocating the wardrobe, but you're opposing it. Because, if i get your stance right, the value would drop if people couldn't stack them.
    But i personally have one suggestion:
    An aura slot next to the armour slots. That way they can wear 6 auras at once.
    The wardrobe is by itself not a bad idea, but requires good implementation.
    But i have two issues, firstly, are there that many overly rich people? And secondly, is it so bad if the value of auras dropped?
    I mean.. the only people for whom it would be bad if the price dropped, would be TP flippers, right?

    People who aim to look expensive by investing into these infusions / auras / armor skins / weapon skins spend a great deal of time acquiring that gold, so why should they lose out just because people want a wardrobe?

  • Mewcifer.5198Mewcifer.5198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DakotaCoty.5721 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:

    @DakotaCoty.5721 said:

    @Ayakaru.6583 said:
    "That no one is talking about" 《 redirect yourself to my nightfury conundrum topic, several topics on the old forum and more fire on reddit that Balthazar had ever seen.

    On a serious, this is a very relevant topic, and i always encourage to bring it up when they can.

    I skim read a lot of the "PLEASE GIVE AURA WARDROBE" threads, and most of the high-profile ones completely neglect the impact that such a treatment could have on the economy, I do apologise if I missed it in one of the initial posts, but it seems everyone wants a system like this and not really thinking of then negative impact a poorly-implemented system added could have.

    Titled amended accordingly...

    But you're right, i skimmed a little to fast,
    I thought you were advocating the wardrobe, but you're opposing it. Because, if i get your stance right, the value would drop if people couldn't stack them.
    But i personally have one suggestion:
    An aura slot next to the armour slots. That way they can wear 6 auras at once.
    The wardrobe is by itself not a bad idea, but requires good implementation.
    But i have two issues, firstly, are there that many overly rich people? And secondly, is it so bad if the value of auras dropped?
    I mean.. the only people for whom it would be bad if the price dropped, would be TP flippers, right?

    People who aim to look expensive by investing into these infusions / auras / armor skins / weapon skins spend a great deal of time acquiring that gold, so why should they lose out just because people want a wardrobe?

    Isn't that what the "I'm rich, you know" title is for? xD
    But nah, I don't think wardrobe is the way to go. But maybe extra slots in the equipment panel that they can be put in without using infusion slots on armour.

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2017

    @DakotaCoty.5721 said:

    @Shaaba.5672 said:
    So because you can't stack seven different infusions with this hypothetical new system, the infusions themselves would lose value? They are not soulbound, right? Sell the ones you won't/can't use anymore. Sure, they would lose value, but I don't think it will be a precipitous crash. Even so, it's not like Anet hasn't radically altered the economy before. PoF launch has seen the crash of oricalcum for reasons I don't understand. (I understand why it crashed, just not sure why we needed so many extra faucets)

    Yes, because a 'crash' in a 3 silver item is definitely as bad as a potentially 15k+ item becoming effectively cheap so everyone can afford it.

    True. The one with Ori is potentially way worse, as it affect a kittenton more people. Let's be honest, crash to the infusions market would disappoint only a really small number of players. A huge majority can't afford even a single cheapest one after all.

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  • Nick Lentz.6982Nick Lentz.6982 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 22, 2017

    Ahhh what? If a wardrobe existed EVERYONE would want a check box or an added aura slot to watch armor. Not sure what you're talking about.

    Also poor babies that don't know how a free market in an MMO works.

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  • Shaaba.5672Shaaba.5672 Member ✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @DakotaCoty.5721 said:

    @Shaaba.5672 said:
    So because you can't stack seven different infusions with this hypothetical new system, the infusions themselves would lose value? They are not soulbound, right? Sell the ones you won't/can't use anymore. Sure, they would lose value, but I don't think it will be a precipitous crash. Even so, it's not like Anet hasn't radically altered the economy before. PoF launch has seen the crash of oricalcum for reasons I don't understand. (I understand why it crashed, just not sure why we needed so many extra faucets)

    Yes, because a 'crash' in a 3 silver item is definitely as bad as a potentially 15k+ item becoming effectively cheap so everyone can afford it.

    True. The one with Ori is potentially way worse, as it affect a kittenton more people. Let's be honest, crash to the infusions market would disappoint only a really small number of players. A huge majority can't afford even a single cheapest one after all.

    Thank you for saying that because yes, this is the point. Compare the volume for infusions vs oricalcum and I'd bet that the flood of ori devalued the market way more overall than a few high end items would.

  • Haishao.6851Haishao.6851 Member ✭✭✭

    @DakotaCoty.5721 said:

    @Shaaba.5672 said:
    So because you can't stack seven different infusions with this hypothetical new system, the infusions themselves would lose value? They are not soulbound, right? Sell the ones you won't/can't use anymore. Sure, they would lose value, but I don't think it will be a precipitous crash. Even so, it's not like Anet hasn't radically altered the economy before. PoF launch has seen the crash of oricalcum for reasons I don't understand. (I understand why it crashed, just not sure why we needed so many extra faucets)

    Yes, because a 'crash' in a 3 silver item is definitely as bad as a potentially 15k+ item becoming effectively cheap so everyone can afford it.

    I think the fact some of them are sold above 9999gold, which is the maximum allowed on the TP, is already a good reason to get their price to drop.

  • LightningWolfTigerBear.6725LightningWolfTigerBear.6725 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 23, 2017

    @dusanyu.4057 said:
    We need less human discoballs not make more by making it Easter to create them.

    stoplikingwhatIdontlike.jpeg comes to mind.

    @DakotaCoty.5721 said:
    so everyone can afford it.

    You say that like it's a bad thing.

  • OriOri.8724OriOri.8724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    A - I don't see how this is a problem. There are other ways to show people you have more money in game than you know what to do with.

    B - There is nothing saying that an aura wardrobe has to limit us to fewer auras than we can currently use. It could be something along the lines of offering an aura slot for each equipment spot, which would make this a non-issue.

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  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It could be a problem but it also doesn't have to be.

    Why must they be mutually exclusive? An aura wardrobe could just be an additional system.

  • Ardid.7203Ardid.7203 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If auras were on the wardrobe I could maybe actually care about them...
    IMO wardrobe is suposed to show what alternatives are there. The staking thing is something the devs must define, it doesn´t have to be somehow ended by the wardrobe implementation. If they determine people can stack only 1 auras, ok, thats the limit. If they determine people can stack 20, ok too. The visualization and storage of the auras doesn't have anything to do whit the stacking limit.

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