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  • "Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile." -my view on the road you're taking.

    ArenaNet, I have the utmost respect for you. Both as a game developer and a company. However, this adoption of RNG cosmetics is just so very, very disappointing. Black Lion chests are fine since you can sell the rewards on the BLTC; allowing those who want to gamble an option, but making the items earn-able without RNG. "Adoption Contracts" need to be changed to a similar system, or give an opener a choice in what mount skin they get for 400 gems.

    As for that quote above? That is what I fear you will do if "Adoption Contracts" become successful. Let's say I buy into the Contracts. Deciding to spend 2K gems for 5 chances at a skin I want, I'm giving you an inch. You make a similar offer again, but this time decide the non-duplicate guarantee isn't earning enough projected revenue, so it's removed resulting in duplicates galore. That's you taking the mile.

    So I wont give an inch, I will not be buying these skins unless there is a change. That is called speaking with wallets. I sincerely hope you will listen and choose a direction that earns my continued respect of your company, ArenaNet.

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Forgive me if it has been posted already, but here's Jim Sterling - of the Jimquisition fame - 's take on it.

    Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.

  • The language is harsh yes but pls anet don't censor this because it is time now to speak open about it. Look Angry Joe did discuss today open with Paul from Dice because Star Wars Battlefront 3 did the same stupid thing.

  • Jee.7193Jee.7193 Member ✭✭

    Greetings Guild Wars 2 Community,

    I am making this post out of a desire to express my deep resentment at what I consider a very nasty bit of profiteering at the expense of the community by ArenaNet/NCSoft. I purchased Guild Wars 2 at full price at launch, played for a while but unfortunate real life came along and forced me to put the game aside for a time. Couple years on the first expansion was released, which I purchased shortly after launch at full retail price with the intention to play the game. Unfortunately once again commitments and responsibilities got in the way of those plans and alas, I did not get to play the game.

    Fast forward to today, I purchase the newest expansion at full retail price and finally I am going to get to enjoy the game and play through all that old content that time had no permitted up until now. I log in and low and behold I find that I have to pay for much of that content again. That's right, Season 2, Season 3, locked and at 200 of NCSofts RMT currency per mission. Apparently this is because I did not play the game on ARENANET's schedule.

    Though I am as much a paying customer as anyone else. I am forced to pay almost double the game cost because I did not play the game when the developers told me I should play the game. Think about that for a second and tell me that is not truly asinine. That is among some of the worst profiteering I have seen in the gaming industry, worse than the Eve Online micro scandal and various others in my opinion.

    I purchased a license to the content in your game, and then purchased 2 additional licenses to access the added content to your game, It should not be the prerogative of the company running that game to tell the license holder when he or she can or cannot play that content or suffer a financial fine for all intents and purposes.

    I just wanted to express my deep resentment at what I consider one of the most blatant examples of exploitative profiteering within the entertainment industry.

  • Now every game have this cr**, for squeeze the money of the whales and damaging who want don't spend money.

  • Personally, I'm OK with the semi-random nature of the adoption system, but balk at the price. For Halloween, they released 5 mounts for 1600 gems suggesting that internally each mount is valued at about 300 gems. Maybe we can say that an individual mount is worth 400 gems, but since its a 5-mount bundle you get it discounted. This adoption system has a single mount for 400 gems, but it should really be discounted if its going to be random. Maybe place it at 200 gems. One reason I'm OK with the RNG of the system is that I actually like the majority of the mounts and can't decide which one I would want to get! I'm OK with rolling for a few this month and then trying again a few months later. I know not everyone feels the same way, and some people have a clear preference and only want one or two of them and may not have the self control to hold themselves back from gambling. I feel that in those cases 400-600 gems would be appropriate for a single selected skin. That brings things in line with the spooky mount pack, which to my understanding was well-received. 2000 gems for a single skin, comparable to the cost of the expansion itself, is incredibly overpriced.

  • I'm really glad you guys opened up a discussion post about this topic! To be fair, I've never used these forums before, but I feel so strongly about this that I'm dusting it off!

    While GW2 has had lootboxes before, they were never really that bad. Yes, it sucked that nice stuff was locked in there but most of it you could buy off the TP if you had enough gold or if you were lucky enough to save up enough scraps. There were the dye kits, which in my opinion are a huge ripoff and nearly impossible to buy off the TP (some of the dyes cost almost as much as a legendary precursor! Comon!) but again, not super in your face as you couldn't even preview the new dyes in game without going to an outside source and finding the codes.

    But these mounts? These mounts are completely different. You've never locked something so cosmetic inside an account bound RNG based box before. Gliders were never RNG based , Most outfits are sold as is, even cosmetic infinite tools were sold separately. Even Minis which would make the most sense to be in a loot box are sold as individuals! (Although recently I've noticed gliders and outfits in the BLC....humm, a trend?)

    The fact that these mounts are in RNG boxes means you knew they'd be popular and hard to ignore, it just screams 'cash grab'.

    I'm not upset over the prices either, 400 gems seems fair for SOME of the mount skins like the cosmic/fire/ice ones. Especially since there are things far less cool that sell for 400 gems in the store, like a cosmetic backpiece that's a plain....quiver. Also the 25$ price tag on the completely remodled mount with new animations also seems fair! Especially cuz' it's inline with what Blizzard sells it's optional super cool mounts in WoW for and it's not like you threw it into a $25 RNG box.

    I ate up the boxed 1600 gem halloween mount skin pack with relish! Though a number of my friends were dismayed that they couldn't just buy they skin they wanted. Also it really sucked you put the skin pack into the BLC. I overheard on mapchat someone bought the mounts, then had the pack drop in a chest and....couldn't do anything with it since it was account bound.

    I'm wondering where this path will lead you, are you going to keep adding mounts to the stable? Eventually a new player will have to gamble with 1 in 50 odds? 1 in 100?

    I'm begging you, as someone with an addictive personality, please don't go down this road. (Every time I log in, I have to say the mantra "Don't gamble, you've spent your GW2 money for the month, don't gamble....play the game. Forget the mounts.". It's a buzzkill.) There are plenty of options for you to market these skins and still make money. Let us pick them out of the box, or just offer them like you've always offered all your other items. As limited timed individual items for sale. I would easily spend another $30 on the skins I want if I KNEW I was buying them.

    Thanks, and again, I'm glad you are at least offering to hear from us.

  • This is a complete outrage, RNG is not the way to do this, and I am extremely upset by it. there is my feedback. Rng Mount skins are not acceptable,

  • This dude is talking about this "gatcha system" and the "cost" of it all. Don't even know who he is or why I should care about his opinion on a game he doesn't even play. /shrug

    I bought my kitten with gems. I didn't spend a dollar on it. In fact, no one needs to spend a dollar on it because you can purchase each of these skins with Gold. Wait a second, no, you don't even have to do that. You don't have to buy any of the skins because your mounts already have skin that looks pretty friggin good as it is. These items are completely optional vanity items that change nothing about the game play.

    I don't understand why you guys are making a big deal out of this. Do you all buy every skin, costume, dye and whatever else in the game?

  • Im playing this game for last 5 year's and i bought gem's for real money many many time's , i did that in order to suport this game ,but recent priceing made me to think twice before i ever do it again.I even bought PoF Deluxe and if i could go back in time i wouldnt do it , not because it doesnt worth , but because some1 is makeing fool of me.The fact that they added 30 mount skin's is cool , but not even one that you can get while playing PoF content is absurd,this is the break point when it's get all about the money.I was one sec away of buying 30 mount's pack , but when i saw that there is one mount that cost 2k gem's , at first i was thinking that they made mistake in codeing and put wrong price on item ,but it wasnt the case.You guy's are selling 5 year's old outfit's for 700 gem's.I rly hope so that you will all sit and think twice what you will do next , you dont earn money from those who buy gem's for gold.

  • Im playing this game for last 5 year's and i bought gem's for real money many many time's , i did that in order to suport this game ,but recent priceing made me to think twice before i ever do it again.I even bought PoF Deluxe and if i could go back in time i wouldnt do it , not because it doesnt worth , but because some1 is makeing fool of me.The fact that they added 30 mount skin's is cool , but not even one that you can get while playing PoF content is absurd,this is the break point when it's get all about the money.I was one sec away of buying 30 mount's pack , but when i saw that there is one mount that cost 2k gem's , at first i was thinking that they made mistake in codeing and put wrong price on item ,but it wasnt the case.You guy's are selling 5 year's old outfit's for 700 gem's.I rly hope so that you will all sit and think twice what you will do next , you dont earn money from those who buy gem's for gold.

  • There was a good idea that BogOtter posed in his video about making the mount chance item cost Legendary Bounties in addition to gems. That'd make it so even though the chances are slim you'll get the mount you want, there's a direct path to farm it in game. In addition, this could be one of the systems in the game that ANet could expand upon, and keep adding skins through the same item path, making it easier to add one or two minor skins to the game without it being a big deal on either end. I dunno, I really like the idea

  • The seasonal content is not required for you to play the game; if you want to play it you should've logged in while it was active. Fortunately for you, the living world content can be purchased using in-game Gold. Go farm some stuff and buy it that way.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I do not like the decision to make the adoption licenses random, one thing I always liked about Guild Wars 2 was if there was a skin I liked from the gem store I could buy that one skin I wanted without getting a load of ones I did not want.

    The thing I find even more surprising is the pricing on the 30 skins is 3 times more than the expansion which implemented mounts cost. I would love to buy 1 skin for each mount but if you want me to do the random chance lottery at getting it then Arena Net can **** right off and I make no apology for the tone because that is how much I despise paying money for a chance at getting something I want.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    Please delete.

  • psizone.8437psizone.8437 Member ✭✭✭

    Where did all the posts go?

  • Must of gotten removed during the merging process. hm. Reposting my feedback from tumblr tho: Just my two cents on this whole issue but. I’d like to suggest refunding everyones gems then allowing them to either have the packages divided per mount so the odds are more favorable for the skins they want or allowing people to buy a token they can exchange for the exact skin they want. Personally I’d prefer the latter. I love you guys payment model and I’ll happily throw money at you. Just don’t show me stuff I want, and force me to deal with RNG to acquire it. It feels like a money grab and I had previously thought really highly of you guys. As Jim Sterling said….I’m deeply disappointed in you guys going this route. I don't have an issue with the price as is, I do have an issue with the overall RNG aspect. Just to make that...very clear...

  • Thank you for reposting, Rikou!

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  • Sorry for spam i had page issue and it look's like i post same post few time's i hope so Gaile Gray.6029 can delete and leave one.

  • Hezkore.9568Hezkore.9568 Member ✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    I have no issues with the skins and the way they're handed out.
    People saying it's going to be expensive to get all the skins.. erm.. yes?
    It's going to be very expensive buying every outfit too, or every 'toy', or everything else in the in-game store.
    It's going to be very expensive buying every item in other games, like Overwatch, too.
    And it's still going to be very expensive to get every skin, even if they're not handed to you randomly.

    You can buy gems with in-game gold, did people forget that?
    So you'll still be able to get them all without paying any real money, especially since you'll never get a skin you already own.

    And I'm pretty sure they'll be handed out in-game in some way too later on. ;)

    I will say that I think the price should be dropped a bit though, and the skin not in the Adoption thingy is waaaay too expensive.
    Other than that, I'm fine with it, at least they're not a tease, like the Black Lions Chests are.

  • Canis.7451Canis.7451 Member ✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    If the previous 37 pages of discussion are restored, I will remove this post. Until then, have this edited feedback of mine from last night / today that I was working on refining when the thread went poof.

    Considering that everything has been merged now and I hope this means that ANET intends to review the feedback gathered here, I will make one more mention of my thoughts on this:

    • Price mount skins similar to glider skins. 400 - 800 gem range. You do not sell outfits / gliders for more than 800 gems each, please don't try to take advantage of our goodwill with mounts. The lower end of that said range would be simple recolors, while the higher end would be flashier, more elaborately edited skins, skins that have heavy particle effects, etc. Follow the model you used for glider skins-- that is what your playerbase is used to, and probably expected to carry over for mount skins. So far, even considering how they're priced, they all still follow this value model besides the Reforged Warhound (and that is a whole other can of worms). Spooky mounts at 2000g /5 = 400g each. The Mountbox at 12400g /31 = 400g each. I will even do a rough of the theoretical pricing of each skin if they were sold individually.
      .
      RAPTOR SKINS:
      Coastal Spiketail (400g) /// Savannah Monitor (400g) /// Canyon Spiketail (500g) /// Striped Tri-horn (500g) /// Flamelander (700g) /// Stormridge (700g)
      SPRINGER SKINS:
      Tawny Hare (400g) /// Windy Spot (400g) /// Desert Lop (500g) /// Elonian Jackalope (500g) /// Arctic Jerboa (700g) /// Primal Hare (700g)
      SKIMMER SKINS:
      Bright Ringfin (400g) /// Oasis Skate (400g) /// River Moth Wing (500g) /// Spined Longtail (500g) /// Dajkah Lantern (700g) /// Oceanic Ray (700g)
      JACKAL SKINS:
      Banded Mystic (400g) /// Polished Stone (400g) /// Crowned Ancient (500g) /// Twin Sands (500g) /// Stardust (700g) /// Pyroclast (700g)
      GRIFFON SKINS:
      Highlands Harrier (400g) /// Spotted Sylph (400g) /// Badlands Stalker (500g) /// Clouded Corvus (500g) /// Fire Pinion (700g) /// Starbound (700g)

    • Sell them individually. Please, for the love of god. Even gliders in a bundle with say an outfit or a backpiece are sold individually (to my knowledge, not sure about backpieces specifically). Outfits are the same way-- you can still buy them individually even if they're in a bundle. I don't care if you bundle skins for a discount, or to allow people to buy them all at once-- but also offer the option to buy them in singles so those that don't want them all don't have to get skins they wont use.

    • Actually add some skins in to be earned through in game content. Like, honestly ANET. I love you. But not everything has to be done through your gemstore. Even if it was just the really simple recolor skins (like Coastal Spiketail/Tawny Hare/Bright Ringfin/Banded Mystic/Highlands Harrier), at least allow your playerbase to earn something for their mounts via the expansion that, I dunno, brought mounts to begin with? You could give them to the Mount Heart Merchants to sell for trade contracts, give them for completing achievements, events, collections, etc. There is so much you could do with mount skin acquisition and yet the money has you blind.

    • If you absolutely must, for whatever unfortunate reason, must keep this RNG system then please, PLEASE consider making the skins tradable on the TP like other RNG content like dyes, Black Lion Skins (that rely on ticket RNG from chests), etc. Lower the price to something more manageable in the long run-- 100/200g and/or make it so we can limit the selection to a species of our choice per box. but the bullet points before this are the preferable course of action for the future of this game. You already have Black Lion Chests and that other LWS1 box. You don't need another; BLCs are bad enough as is.

    Edit: Now that it isn't 2 AM I've gone back and made some things look nicer, reword others to sound better and add some afterthoughts.

  • Vyrulisse.1246Vyrulisse.1246 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    I and many other were angry yesterday. Still angry but more disappointed and sad to see what depths A.net has stooped to. Dumping 30 completely RNG skins on us in one day was truly appalling especially when exactly zero fresh skins are available to us in-game anywhere in the expansion that already suffers from a lack of meaningful reward. It feels dirty, it feels manipulative and it feels like trying to take advantage of your player base in an extremely negative way.

    The way you as a company handled the Halloween pack was as close to perfect as you could have done it. It wasn't too cheap but it wasn't overly expensive, you knew what you were going to get and you could make a choice. Now we have one new skin for 2,000 gems and 30 completely random ones for 400 each. It just feels like you are taking advantage of the goodwill mounts brought you and even the goodwill that the initial foray into monetizing these mounts brought you and it feels like you learned nothing from Heart of Thorns and the Glider situation.

    Edit: Ehh, I assumed you were just starting a fresh topic so I summed up my thoughts in this post for posterity. >.>

  • Therion.6395Therion.6395 Member
    edited November 9, 2017

    I won't go into great depth here, I assume that in the 37 pages there are enough people of a similar mindset. I do enjoy Guild Wars 2 a lot and I very much appreciate there is no subscription charge. Given that one had to purchase the game before playing (prior to you making it free-to-play; and yes I did purchase the special edition) I wasn't a big fan of the small amount of bag space which inhibits the player to make the game basically more annoying to play. I am also not a fan of loot box systems and as such I have never and will probably never buy Black Lion keys. It's too close to gambling and the ways it can tempt people to spend more than they should (it's also not healthy) and I don't believe Guild Wars 2 needs that type of thing to be profitable.

    But I am not hugely against cosmetic microtransactions and quality-of-life upgrades provided they are not essential for enjoyment of the game. As such I am not in itself against charging for mount skins. Especially if the price is reasonable. As such, it's mostly the way one has to rely on chance to get a skin one can actually use and wishes to use. Which is not fun, it does not enhance the game. It turns people off, counters at least some of the goodwill players may feel towards the game, its' devs and publisher and I really don't think the game needs that type of method to stay profitable.

    In short, the way of acquiring those mount skins speaks of a lack of respect of the developers and publisher towards the players. It's not necessary and is a black mark on an otherwise mostly excellent game. As such I'd advise you to change that for the players and the overall health of the playerbase. Makes us want to play and we'll spend money because of our appreciation of it.

  • sebychu.5832sebychu.5832 Member
    edited November 9, 2017

    Whoops, my comment posted twice? >_>; When I tried to post before It said it couldn't find the thread, musta gotten mixed up in the merge

  • I'll keep it simple. If you guys don't do something retroactively to amend this situation, i'm never supporting this company again. I've spent easily over $1000 in the last couple years but you are not getting a penny more unless, like I said, this is RETROACTIVELY dealt with. Not passively dealt with, "oh, well we promise not to do this again in the future," that's not good enough. It's either revert, refund, or allow single purchase or i'm out the door, period.

  • @Oglaf.1074 said:

    @Hezkore.9568 said:
    People saying it's going to be expensive to get all the skins.. erm.. yes?
    It's going to be very expensive buying every outfit too, or every 'toy', or everything else in the in-game store.
    It's going to be very expensive buying every item in other games, like Overwatch, too.

    You're missing the point entirely.

    When you buy an Outift, you get the Outfit you want for Gems.

    When you buy one of these Mount Skin Loot Boxes(TM), you gamble for the skin(s) you want.

    See the horrible, horrible difference? If you could just outright purchase the Mount Skin you want for Gems, it would be business as usual. Clearly the GW2 player base has no qualms about buying premium content for Gems. No, it is using your Gems to gamble that has everyone in an uproar.

    My point was about people HAVING to buy EVERY item.
    It would still be expensive, even if it wasn't random.

    The Black Lion Chests are very much random, people seem fine with those.

  • Jee.7193Jee.7193 Member ✭✭

    @Chickenooble.5014 said:
    The seasonal content is not required for you to play the game; if you want to play it you should've logged in while it was active. Fortunately for you, the living world content can be purchased using in-game Gold. Go farm some stuff and buy it that way.

    ...and this is a business practice you consider entirely acceptable, slippery slope. Hope digital content consumers are prepared for the costs of the future. The realities of the market is if the consumer is willing to accept inflated prices and financial exploitation it will become the new statues quo. 15 years ago the idea of selling a consumer what we now know as DLC which is often included in the original product (and thus your just paying for an unlock to access said content), or deliberately selling a game with an unfinished campaign or story with the intention of selling the conclusion as an "add-on" would have been seen as criminal. But Alas, the consumer slowly accepted the practice with some very clever marketing I might add and now it is standard practice. Today when you pre-order a game you not only have to pay full retail price but you also have to pay a 40% surcharge if you want to actually be able to finish the game.

    Something to consider.

  • No RNG thats all what i can say, its kitten when u will have only 1 skin..

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    Whilst we wait for the restore, is more feedback really needed? Anet has acted on far less and the size and skew of the feedback must be pretty clear now esp with gaming media reporting it. Surely it is time for Anet themselves to respond, im not sure what more is left to be said regardless of a persons stance on the matter. We dont really want this dragging on and on and on at this point - that way exasperates things.

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Really disappointed.

  • Jee.7193Jee.7193 Member ✭✭

    My post has nothing to do with mount adoption, not sure why it was merged into this thread. My post is related to the Micro lock on story content.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Not happy about the pure gambling on mount skins, spent $50 just wanting to get 1 Griffon skin, got mostly skimmer skins instead.

    If I could get a refund on the 11 tickets I bought, I would.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • Miss Lana.5276Miss Lana.5276 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zaklex.6308 said:

    @Miss Lana.5276 said:

    @Zaklex.6308 said:
    2.
    take risky action in the hope of a desired result.

    You defined exactly what it is. Cheers for that.

    Wrong, you are risking absolutely NOTHING, there is no RISK involved, since you think it is:
    noun
    1.
    a situation involving exposure to danger.
    "flouting the law was too much of a risk"
    verb
    1.
    expose (someone or something valued) to danger, harm, or loss.
    No danger, no harm, no loss...therefore no RISK.
    If you say you lost gems, you didn't, because you still got a skin(whether it's one you wanted or not is immaterial).

    Dude it's one definition OR the other. You can't say "No, it's not that second one, it's the first one!". You're only trying to make yourself feel better and justify the use of predatory gambling items in a game rated for kids. Grow up.

    Disagreement =/= "negativity"
    Criticism =/= "hate"

  • Jordan.5930Jordan.5930 Member ✭✭✭

    @Soupy.4970 said:
    Solution: Delete them and delete the person who approved this, then delete your careers. But, you won't. Instead you'll delete the community like you deleted the megathread, lul.

    On a more serious note: This doesn't deserve discussion. It doesn't deserve feedback. RNG lootboxes have been a HOT topic in the MMO industry for a LONG time, and most especially in the past year. You all as professionals with a dedicated career in the video game industry KNOW exactly why RNG boxes are kitten garbage and toxic to the video game/MMO market. You all KNOW that this was already a hot topic all across the professional MMO and video game industry, and there has been PLENTY of feedback and debates over it. Yet, you chose to ignore the fact that the majority of the video game player base is vehemently against it, and did it anyways. So we can only conclude you did it our of either pure greed, or, someone higher up the corporate chain is pulling your strings like puppets and you have no choice in the matter - which if that's the case, and you care at all about your careers, I would highly advise working for a company that cares not only about the MMO/game industry, but also about your career and your voice on this subject. Otherwise, what are you doing with your life?

    If you care at ALL about us, about the industry, and about your own careers, you WILL delete this kitten, you will just close this thread (because why are we even discussing this? You already know the answer), you will publicly apologize to the GW2 community, you will compensate us as part of damage control, and you will move forward with improving the Gem Store in a way that doesn't give into what you already know is a HUGE no no. Like, why did this even cross your minds? How did it even get approved? It's like we as the entire gaming community told you the stove is hot, yet you touched it anyways. ?????

    If this is because of higher ups, then all this negative feedback will be good for them. I'm sure there where people against lootboxes in the company, and now that they've been proven right, and whoever voted for lootboxes proven wrong (by our incredibly strong response) they can start making changes to revert this course of action.

  • Rio.4259Rio.4259 Member ✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    I just really....REALLY hope Anet took all of the feedback to heart and won't ignore us and let this become the norm. I'm ok with paying a REASONABLE gem cost for a nice mount skin. Im not ok with gambling (yes, I said gambling. GAMBLING! omg trigger word) for one in a random box. My plea to Anet...please don't keep doing this.

  • I adore the new mount skins. I even think the RNG with no duplicates to adopt @400 fine. I will gradually buy some.

    I do not agree with the 2000 for one skin, no matter how cool. I do believe that offering 600-800 for a single skin that you are hand choosing goes along well with previous offerings ala gliders.

    I do believe that skins or contracts to adopt should also be obtainable in other ways since these are account bound and players cannot buy them on the TP. Why not a low drop on legendary bounties or Meta events?

    I think most of the upset comes from the fact that the Halloween skins were well priced, and these feel really off price wise.

    Love the skins. I will slowly support the designers and animators as I gradually buy them. I hope they will stay for a while in the gem store.

  • I have been an avid player for nearly 5 years, and I can't believe this trash. If this sort of thing continues to crop up, I will find something else to play. I want Gnashblade's head for what he's done.

  • Honestly, if the pack was split into types (raptor, springer, jackal, taimi's floating head, griffon), with a pick one of two, three, whatever arbitrary number? I'd feel more alright on the issue. If there were mount skins I could earn by actually playing content, I'd feel more alright about it. If you did both, I might even consider spending monies to get the one jackal skin I do kinda like.

  • WingedLass.7456WingedLass.7456 Member
    edited November 9, 2017

    @Chickenooble.5014 said:

    I bought my kitten with gems. I didn't spend a dollar on it. In fact, no one needs to spend a dollar on it because you can purchase each of these skins with Gold. Wait a second, no, you don't even have to do that. You don't have to buy any of the skins because your mounts already have skin that looks pretty friggin good as it is. These items are completely optional vanity items that change nothing about the game play.

    I don't understand why you guys are making a big deal out of this. Do you all buy every skin, costume, dye and whatever else in the game?

    Not all of them, just usually the ones I like. In any MMO, Guild Wars 2 (also commonly referred to as 'Fashion Wars') not excluded, looks are a great part of the endgame content. So far, GW2 has performed very admirably.

    No, we don't have to buy them if we don't want them. Thing is, we_ do_ want (some of) them. I calculated the gold costs of it earlier in this thread - at an average of gathering about 90 gold a week, we spend 6 months farming for these skins. Skins that most of us don't all want. We want some of them, and we're willing to pay for those, but not (immediately) for the ones that would be off sitting in the bank, having been far better off not being adopted at all.

    We're making a big deal not about the cost, mostly not even about them being in the gem store, but about the randomness of it. I am not the only one who doesn't have the money or the luck to try for the few mounts that I do want. So I haven't tried at all. That's my choice, but the fact that I have to make it does make me sad, because there is a few skins I really would have liked.

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  • @Chickenooble.5014 said:
    This dude is talking about this "gatcha system" and the "cost" of it all. Don't even know who he is or why I should care about his opinion on a game he doesn't even play. /shrug

    I bought my kitten with gems. I didn't spend a dollar on it. In fact, no one needs to spend a dollar on it because you can purchase each of these skins with Gold. Wait a second, no, you don't even have to do that. You don't have to buy any of the skins because your mounts already have skin that looks pretty friggin good as it is. These items are completely optional vanity items that change nothing about the game play.

    I don't understand why you guys are making a big deal out of this. Do you all buy every skin, costume, dye and whatever else in the game?

    its a big deal because this game is all about cosmetics. the entire foundation of our monetary system revolves around buying and trading/acquiring skins... there are literally 100's of thousands of gold worth of items for sale in the cash shop and 100x that amount for sale on the BLTC... if you were to earn the gold to buy even a fraction of that would cost roughly 200k gold..... now you go grind out 200k gold bub..... I dare you....

  • I bought 2 adoption licenses. Thinking about it over the last 24 hours made me so angry, I'm not buying any more.

    Please, Anet, do NOT make us spend gems on RNG items. There are some players that have a lot of gold at this point, and can probably convert to gems. But the bulk of us spend hard earned cash for gems. Having something be random is just insulting.

    I'll purchase skins that are single and identified if I like them, but I don't want 27 skins that I did NOT want to get 3 I wanted.

  • Dixie Cougar.2415Dixie Cougar.2415 Member ✭✭
    edited November 9, 2017

    I realize that this practice is probably financially successful in the short run, but I'd like to point out that almost every game I've quit (and stopped spending money on) in the last 8 years or so has been due to RNG issues. GW2 has been an "oasis" in the desert for me where for the most part it's possible to work towards goals and have measurable progression. Systems based on all or nothing rng (either you got the skin you wanted or you didn't) break that.

    While mount skins are only cosmetic, this mechanic does (as many others point out) smack of "grabby" practices that other companies engage in. Practices we have long been glad that Anet does not engage in, for the most part. I certainly won't be trying my chances. I would rather pay directly for the skin I want, or work toward it ingame. Note that items acquired ingame (like legendaries) can still be a revenue driver for GW2 through the currency exchange. So if you put that swank skin behind a craftwall you can still make money off it.

    Alternatively, if you have to keep the current system, make the mount skins tradable on the TP. Then you make money through the gem store directly AND the currency exchange. Some people may just use ingame gold, but others will keep buying adoption tickets after 30 just to sell the skins. It should work out fine.

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