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Coaelescence I: Unbridled, Mixed Feelings

Well I find the unlock method a bit odd, I mean apparently the HoT Raid Bosses work too as long as it's a kill after a reset i.e. one that will award LI. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
Although admittedly I don't Raid much myself as I was never interested in Legendary Armour and it's been a while since I killed a Raid Boss, but if I'm forced to do it then I will.
But I don't really understand why does it have to be unlocked though a Raid Boss kill, because the collection doesn't seem to have anything to do with Raids after the unlock.
Will the Ring require Legendary Insight to make? Personally I doubt it, if it did then it would probably already be makeable, instead of waiting for another LW4 episode.
More likely it will require a unique "gift" awarded for part 2 collection.
But why can't it be unlocked through other means, like Aurora was by bying the Sentient Seed? I understand that for Aurora we had to revisit all 6 LW3 episodes to get it and we only have 1 LW4 episode right now. So I understand it has to be something difficult, but why not just make it also an item which can be bought from different vendors? Like Raid merchant will sell it for 1 LI. But there would also be possible to buy it from Fractal merchant for Unstable Cosmic Essence and there could be also be WvW and PvP merchants that sell it.
To be blunt, isn't 100CM or capturing Stonemist Castle equally difficult as killing a Raid Boss if not more?
Personally I run fractals a lot so obviously it's about my personal convenience here, but like I said if I have to I will kill some Raid Boss.

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 30, 2017

    @Rikimaru.7890 said:
    But I don't really understand why does it have to be unlocked though a Raid Boss kill, because the collection doesn't seem to have anything to do with Raids after the unlock.

    People claim they got a collection drop from the first boss kill in the new wing, so it's possible it is at least partially connected with that wing.

    I certainly hope it isn't the case, but it's not much of a hope, seeing that raids unlock the collection in the first place.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • The Bosses only unlock the collection (can be any boss not cleared this week).
    You get 3 Items from Chests in the new Wing. Note that you cant just enter a cleared instance. The chests only appear in the Instance where the boss was killed.
    So if you kill the boss, leave the instance and open a new one you have to kill the boss again.

    We found 3 Chests so far and got 2 Items.
    You probably have to clear the entire Wing to get the Items to drop or there is a fourth chests somewhere behind the last boss.
    With those 3 Items you can make another one. Everything else is kinda ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  • Zlater.6789Zlater.6789 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 30, 2017

    There is a lot of questions there we cant answer yet, I don't think anyone cares that it's raid only though, like I know I will never get Aouora because trying to go all completionist on that content would probably make my eyes bleed. But coalescence I could probably do relatively easily.

    I also expect them to release a fractal only legendary trinket eventually, maybe keep an eye out for that.

  • Yes, you can unlock it by killing any boss as long as you can loot the chest afterwards. (Meaning it has to be first kill of the week for you)
    Then you head to Wing 3 with a cleared instance (At least a few bosses) and loot chests till you get 3 items. Combine them in the mystic forge and you get the first book. Head to the 5 PoF maps with the book and activate it on specific Areas/Locations and you fill up the said book for the last part.
    Important to say, the collection ends there and will be updated/continued with further updates.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well they had to give something for W5, as the Armor can be done by the end of W4. I really liked the way they introduced Aurora, as a Legendary reward for a LS season and I hope they will give us a Legendary Amulett for LS4 when it ends, just like they did with Aurora.
    Allthough the Ring is an Ascessory, like Aurora, I'm fine with it being the legendary reward for W5. Since they're not doing legendary armor collections that are spread through different wings, a single Item to fit a single wing, feels about right. I don't know what needs to be done for the ring, but as i see the collection, clearing the wing will give you a book, that will let you unlock the rest of the collection in the 5 PoF maps by some means. Going from how Aurora was handled, completing the first collection will unlock a second that gives you a gift of something. Maybe this wil require some fractal or raid stuff as well, thinking about the way the second collection of the armor was handled and seeing this ring as a raid reward.
    So, no outrage here or anything about it, I do casually Raid, so if the requirements aren't too far out the window, I do have a shot at the item. Since I see it as a reward for a specific game mode which you can either play or don't, I'm fine that it's locked behind the content. If it is a W5 thing, it should only unlock aftre killing a W5 boss to be more in flavor, but I guess handing i out for Escort and the likes gets more ppl into crafting the thing.
    I do hope, they give us more of these "smaller" legendaries, don't get confused about anything here, it's still a legy and it's still a gold/time-sink, it will cost you nerves and/or gold to get there, even if it's just an ascessory. I hope they give out more legendaries tied to specific game modes or types of content. Anet could give us a legendary ring for world bosses for example, a legendary enrichment for dungeons, with the tools they have, to create storytelling in the open world and the collection system, they can do about anything, they could implement a legendary scavenger hunt for a legendary ring in the open world or maybe in WvW maps even, I know the WvW folk would hate the PvE achievement hunters invading, but thy have that anyway since legendary backpieces and armors have come to town.
    More choice is always good, and giving the player big, long term rewards is important. So I understand this ring as "the Legendary Shiny at the end of our new Raid" and as that, I'm ok with it being gated behind a raid kill. You get to choose what to tackle and there are no additional requirements. If you already raid, it's easy. If you want the item really bad, you might want to get into raiding. If you don't want to get into raiding, you don't want the item. I don't want to go into WvW, so I will never have the legendary backpiece, and I'm fine, because it's a WvW reward for ppl who play WvW, gated behind WvW participation. On the other hand, if I feel that I really want that legendary backpiece, I have to go into WvW and do what has to be done to get the thing. I hope Anet implements more, so there is more choice, so there's a legendary trinket for everyone, who's willing to play the required content and grind the required amout of currency.

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  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2017

    The ring is NOT connected to wing 5 unlock wise. It might be unlock requirement wise connected to raids in general but I'm pretty sure the achievements will be Living World Season 4 related.

    Any Legendary Insight drop will unlock the collection. Yes, this means that if you full cleared this week (I did as example and I did kill W4B1 again on tuesday and did not get the unlock) you have to kill the first boss of wing 5. I know of people who got the unlock via Boss 1 of wing 4 though who had not previously killed the boss this week.

    Now as far as to why they chose this unlock method, my guess based on the limited information we have is that they want more people to at least try a raid. There is sufficient easy bosses to accomplish this (escort event, Wing 4 Boss 1-3, Trio). I don't fully agree with this unless the later part of the collection are also raid related because it would feel tacked on. I do understand their motivation though to encourage players to group and play group content. This is a MMO after all.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2, 2017

    @lokh.2695 said:
    Well they had to give something for W5, as the Armor can be done by the end of W4.

    There's a number of exclusive skins from that wing. Shouldn't that be enough?

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    The ring is NOT connected to wing 5 unlock wise. It might be unlock requirement wise connected to raids in general but I'm pretty sure the achievements will be Living World Season 4 related.

    First 4 (ink, parchment, binding and logbook) are from wing 5. I'm sure the next collection will be tied to the future wing as well, not to LS.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭

    And I'm sure and repeating myself: Devs said next legendary trinkets will be availabe with LS4. Since the raid ring cannot be finished at this point in time it's obvious the open world will get its equivalent in the shape of Aurora which was instantly craftable on the opposite to leggy raid stuff.
    No need to whine here!

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    And I'm sure and repeating myself: Devs said next legendary trinkets will be availabe with LS4. Since the raid ring cannot be finished at this point in time it's obvious the open world will get its equivalent in the shape of Aurora which was instantly craftable on the opposite to leggy raid stuff.
    No need to whine here!

    For a set you'd still need both.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    And I'm sure and repeating myself: Devs said next legendary trinkets will be availabe with LS4. Since the raid ring cannot be finished at this point in time it's obvious the open world will get its equivalent in the shape of Aurora which was instantly craftable on the opposite to leggy raid stuff.
    No need to whine here!

    For a set you'd still need both.

    And I'm sure again that there will be a 2nd from the LS4.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 3, 2017

    @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    And I'm sure and repeating myself: Devs said next legendary trinkets will be availabe with LS4. Since the raid ring cannot be finished at this point in time it's obvious the open world will get its equivalent in the shape of Aurora which was instantly craftable on the opposite to leggy raid stuff.
    No need to whine here!

    For a set you'd still need both.

    And I'm sure again that there will be a 2nd from the LS4.

    I'm not. If that was the case, some dev would have already mentioned that to squash the discontent.

    Remember, WvW and sPvP legendary armors would not have been a thing if the community didn't complain so much. I'd definitely rather complain now (to show the devs i feel there's a problem) than be sorry later.

    (also, do you have a link and/or a quote for that "next trinkets will be in LS4" statement, because i can't find anything like that anywhere?)

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Daniel.5428Daniel.5428 Member ✭✭✭

    The collection has a lot to do with Raids. The purpose of a collection is to craft a book then visit some locations from PoF maps. To craft that book, you need 3 components. These 3 components drop in the Wing 5 (Hall of Chains). After Desmina (Boss 1) you get a chest with the first component somewhere on a rock near the platform. After River of Souls(event 1, boss 2) you get a chest down, under the platform. You will get item 2 from there. After Statues (event 2, boss 3) you get another chest but this one does not drop any important item. After Dhuum (boss 4, last one) you get a chest with the item 3 for collection. You cannot join cleared instances and loot the chests. Only the ones who took part in the defeating of the boss can see the chests.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well I joined a cleared instance looted 3 chest and got item 1 and 2

  • Turin.6921Turin.6921 Member ✭✭✭

    This ring seems to be added as a Raid reward as new legendary armor is not made. So it might locked behind it. New raids need to have some legendary rewards. But i am quite sure more trinkets/rings will also be added using systems like aurora. Just because they added a ring for raids it does not stop them from adding new ones for other game modes.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Linken.6345 said:
    Well I joined a cleared instance looted 3 chest and got item 1 and 2

    Really? I killed the first boss yesterday but didn't loot any chests, so I went inside today and couldn't find the first chest. Maybe it needs to be full cleared or something

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