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Why do guild leaders see when I am invisible online?

There is a reason why I don't want to go online when I am invisible, and it is mostly because I don't want to play with my guild mates sometimes. Recently I got some mails from guild leaders who ask why I am invisible and that I should join the Teamspeak, the activities, etc.
What is the reason behind the feature of seeing people who do not want to be seen?

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  • Veprovina.4876Veprovina.4876 Member ✭✭✭

    Just tell them you want to chill solo, what's the big deal? Why are you avoiding talking to people anyway, if you don't want to talk, just tell them you're not in the mood and most normal people will leave you alone. You don't have to hide behimd an invisible status.

    As for why they can see you, it's probably because the guild system is different from the friends system. Guilds are after all social constructs with the intent of bringing together people who want to play with each other.

  • @Greaka.6905 said:
    There is a reason why I don't want to go online when I am invisible, and it is mostly because I don't want to play with my guild mates sometimes. Recently I got some mails from guild leaders who ask why I am invisible and that I should join the Teamspeak, the activities, etc.
    What is the reason behind the feature of seeing people who do not want to be seen?

    It's not a feature, just something that ANet didn't consider when including the option in the game. Think of it more as "blocked from receiving whispers, hidden from PUGs" rather than truly "invisible." The game doesn't really offer an option for "online, but completely invisible to everyone aside from /party or /say."

    PS not only can GLs figure it out, but all your guildies can see a yellow dot marking your location on maps. People who have you on Friend or Block list can tell when you change zones.

    PPS you can reduce some of this 'transparency' by repping a different guild while invisible.

    Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hint: while you are indeed invisible, your location isn't. If someone is "offline", but has a location (and especially if that location keeps changing), that's a clear indication that you're not, in fact, offline.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • @Haleydawn.3764 said:
    Honestly, being honest should be enough.

    Yeah, it should be. Unfortunately, depends on the guild and the GL.

    Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

  • Healix.5819Healix.5819 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If you're representing a guild, your name is highlighted to other guild members and you're shown on the map, making it very obvious if they're in the same area. If you login, then go invisible, chat will tell them you logged in and out, making it obvious. If you're mutual friends with them, they can see through invisible by hovering over your name, which will show your status rather than being offline.

    If you login invisible without representing the guild, they shouldn't notice. You can also make it less likely to join the maps they're in by guesting to a different server.

  • Piggybacking on @Healix.5819, if you really want to be as hidden as the game allows:

    • Have at least one character repping a personal guild (or one with people who accept that you'll sometimes play while invis).
    • Change status to invisible before you logout. (Make it a habit.)

    You still won't be entirely hidden (as noted above); that will just reduce the number of ways that someone can notice that you are online.

    Hype is the path to the dark side. Hype leads to unfulfilled expectations. Disappointment leads to anger. Anger leads to disgust. Disgust leads to "oh, new shinies! I'm back!"

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I guess I've gotten lucky with all my guilds. I often log in but don't talk in guild chat (and I almost never join Teamspeak/discord) or join in with activities because I don't know how long I'll be able to stay online, I logged in to focus on something specific or I just don't feel like talking right now and I've never had people hassle me about it.

    Way back when representing your guild mattered I was in a 100% rep guild and I'd occasionally get whispers from the GM or an officer asking why I was't representing them when I'd been online for a while. But even then it was because I'd told them I'd appreciate the reminder - I'd chosen to join a 100% rep guild so the only reason I wouldn't rep was I'd forgotten (I'd either switched to my bank guild to move items around and forgotten to switch back or I'd made a new character and forgot that you have to manually rep a guild on each character).

    I think you should absolutely be able to tell your guilds that you're just not in the mood and/or not able to participate right now and they should respect that. If it's a guild you're new to or not especially committed to and they don't accept that it may be time to find a new guild. If it's one you've been in for a while and they don't accept it I recommend having a chat with the leader to explain your reasons and why they think it's important for you to be in Teamspeak or activities and see if you can work something out.

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  • HnRkLnXqZ.1870HnRkLnXqZ.1870 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2017

    When I run guildmissions in absence of our leader, which luckyly happens only once in a blue moon, I get about a fraction of the regular participants. Many people just do not log in at all. Several start an important fractal/raid run minutes before, so they are sorry but cannot join. A few act afk, a few are afk. And a small group of people who do not want to participate but feel bad go into stealth/invisible. It is not a nice experience to do an event with 1-2 ppl and I totally understand people who get mad about this behaviour of their members. But this is life. Privacy and freedom are king. I got used to this situation and tend to enjoy the events, because I am faster done and can focus on the content that matters to me. I still run the events, for those who care or are in need of badges, I am happy about every participant, but I am not mad, if anyone has got other things to do. I even noticed, once people realize you keep going, they are more willing to join. Some even give up stealth-mode, say hi and join as they just loged in.

    On the other hand, when I log during the week, in the evening. During the last 20 minutes I am awake, the least I want to do is using the guildchat. I just want to check out a thing or two, go to a place I can relax and enjoy a few minutes before my day is over. I am not an evil or hateful person, at least not worse than usual. I am just tired ^^.

    I spend a good ammount of my online time invisible, about 40-50%. I am doing this since I started playing online games. It is part of my understanding of anonymity and freedom. Most guilds are more or less fine with that, privacy is something normal. The few special people who demand 100% of your undevided attention may have serious control issues. You can try to talk to them and explain your position, but in most cases it is better to look for a more friendly and relaxed environment.

  • They should not be able to see if your online in the guild if you are invisible. You can't even see what the chat is in the guild. They can however see the last time you logged in. If you frequent one place like Lions arch they may see your character there. Best thing for you to do is not rep any guilds if you do not want to be seen. I assume some guilds have eyes everywhere so they may be using that to track you. Another thing you could do is use an alt profession you use very little, or quit the guild that is causing you stress. You could also just talk to the guild leader and tell them how you feel, that sometimes you just wanna be left alone for a while.

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 5, 2017

    @Greaka.6905 said:
    There is a reason why I don't want to go online when I am invisible, and it is mostly because I don't want to play with my guild mates sometimes. Recently I got some mails from guild leaders who ask why I am invisible and that I should join the Teamspeak, the activities, etc.
    What is the reason behind the feature of seeing people who do not want to be seen?

    Appear offline is only for communication, you are cut off from most communication platforms. However, it doesn't means you are physically cut off.
    Be appreciate the GL even bother to talk to you about it, most GLs don't because they didn't notice it and very little reason to care.

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  • Dreamy Lu.3865Dreamy Lu.3865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    Unfortunately, the invisible status is fake.

    When we set invisible status, there are two main things - obvious ones - keeping us visible to all, especially to guildies:

    • Our name in guild member list is white instead of grey (name is not greyed out so you see difference to off line members).
    • Our yellow dot appears on map as if we would be visible.

    Our guildies keep seeing us. That's it. I do not count anymore how many times I had set invisible for whatever reasons, and I received ingame messages telling me they see me... Pffffff...

    I'm out of my mind, feel free to leave a message...

  • Leablo.2651Leablo.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    @Greaka.6905 said:
    There is a reason why I don't want to go online when I am invisible, and it is mostly because I don't want to play with my guild mates sometimes. Recently I got some mails from guild leaders who ask why I am invisible and that I should join the Teamspeak, the activities, etc.
    What is the reason behind the feature of seeing people who do not want to be seen?

    Sounds like you joined an invasive guild. Just leave it and find one that won't force the issue, it'll be better in the long run.

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ... A guild who is built around team activities is "invasive"? Urgh. This is what's wrong with guilds today...

    I suggest taking a serious look at your guild, and making sure it suits you needs. Guild buffs are the same anywhere - if you don't want to join a social guild and take part, why not join a less social casual guild? Don't take it out on the people who are trying to make something of a good time.

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    ... A guild who is built around team activities is "invasive"? Urgh. This is what's wrong with guilds today...

    I suggest taking a serious look at your guild, and making sure it suits you needs. Guild buffs are the same anywhere - if you don't want to join a social guild and take part, why not join a less social casual guild? Don't take it out on the people who are trying to make something of a good time.

    The OP stated that sometimes s/he didn’t want to play/socialise. Not never, sometimes. And that’s ok. Not taking it out on the fact his guild want people to be as active as the people running it, but the fact the OP wants to be left alone sometimes, and his guild don’t seem to respect that. There’s a reason people appear offline to play, it doesn’t mean it’s anything to do with the guild or the people in it.

    What bothers me the most is the OP says s/he had mails from the leaders. Not mail (Singular), mails! How many? Was multiple necessary? Should the leaders have spoken to each other first before sending a mail. I can imagine feeling very cornered in that situation.

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    ... A guild who is built around team activities is "invasive"? Urgh. This is what's wrong with guilds today...

    There should be the possibility to check if every member is representing ( at least for the guild where represent is a rule ).
    Exploiting with invisible mode should be avoided.

    However, they should allow guilds to set or not this option in order to preserve the privacy of the player.

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    There should be the possibility to check if every member is representing ( at least for the guild where represent is a rule ).

    I 100% disagree with this. Adding something that checks who’s repping whether off or online, would further invade privacy and cause more discontent similar to what the OP has experienced. Adding an on/off to this feature (controlled by the leaders right? Unless it’s player side) will not make a difference to the potential outcome.
    Representing a guild is not necessary anymore since Influence was deleted. There is 0 reason to have a rep rule. If a guild is as good as the people running it say, people will rep it.

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    There should be the possibility to check if every member is representing ( at least for the guild where represent is a rule ).

    I 100% disagree with this. Representing a guild is not necessary anymore since Influence was deleted. There is 0 reason to have a rep rule. If a guild is as good as the people running it say, people will rep it.

    This is your point of view.
    If i do create a guild with rules, and among these there's the representing the guild, i want to be able to check if those who decided to join are respecting or not the rules.

    You don't like the rules?
    You don't join that specific guild.

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    ... A guild who is built around team activities is "invasive"? Urgh. This is what's wrong with guilds today...

    I suggest taking a serious look at your guild, and making sure it suits you needs. Guild buffs are the same anywhere - if you don't want to join a social guild and take part, why not join a less social casual guild? Don't take it out on the people who are trying to make something of a good time.

    The OP stated that sometimes s/he didn’t want to play/socialise. Not never, sometimes. And that’s ok. Not taking it out on the fact his guild want people to be as active as the people running it, but the fact the OP wants to be left alone sometimes, and his guild don’t seem to respect that. There’s a reason people appear offline to play, it doesn’t mean it’s anything to do with the guild or the people in it.

    What bothers me the most is the OP says s/he had mails from the leaders. Not mail (Singular), mails! How many? Was multiple necessary? Should the leaders have spoken to each other first before sending a mail. I can imagine feeling very cornered in that situation.

    Maybe the guild leaders did speak together, and chose to send those mails. Different guilds have different standards, and leaders shouldn't be villainised for trying to maintain a sociable guild. Instead of taking to the forums complaining about how invisible mode doesn't wipe all traces off the face of Tyria, I just think the OP would be better off asking the guild leaders to respect that they want to be alone sometimes.

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    You don't like the rules?
    You don't join that specific guild.

    Precisely. It is a two way street. People are free to make their own rules, and choices.
    I disliked the idea of giving guilds another reason to hound their players. We have 5 guild slots. You make a good guild people will rep it without overlords ruling you should.

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    You don't like the rules?
    You don't join that specific guild.

    Precisely. It is a two way street. People are free to make their own rules, and choices.
    I disliked the idea of giving guilds another reason to hound their players. We have 5 guild slots. You make a good guild people will rep it without overlords ruling you should.

    Guilds which are used as bank account.
    Yeath, an idea totally worth it.

    It's not that you don't like the idea of giving reasons to hound their players.
    It's that you pretend to stay in a guild which have that specific rule without respect it.

    It's pretty different not to say selfish.

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Westenev.5289 said:

    Maybe the guild leaders did speak together, and chose to send those mails. Different guilds have different standards, and leaders shouldn't be villainised for trying to maintain a sociable guild. Instead of taking to the forums complaining about how invisible mode doesn't wipe all traces off the face of Tyria, I just think the OP would be better off asking the guild leaders to respect that they want to be alone sometimes.

    If a guilds standard is to send multiple mails to the same player, about the same thing, even after conferring with each other, that’s incredibly poor management.

    Im assuming the OP didn’t ignore them and did respond asking to be respected, and that sometimes they wanted to be left alone.

    Posting this on the forums was absolutely necessary though because it brings to light something that is wrong with the function of the offline feature. The OP and anyone else should be able to use it to appear offline, not just to avoid whispers. Ie guild member map icon shouldn’t appear.

    The online/away/offline should be looked at and modified.

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    You don't like the rules?
    You don't join that specific guild.

    Precisely. It is a two way street. People are free to make their own rules, and choices.
    I disliked the idea of giving guilds another reason to hound their players. We have 5 guild slots. You make a good guild people will rep it without overlords ruling you should.

    Guilds which are used as bank account.
    Yeath, an idea totally worth it.

    It's not that you don't like the idea of giving reasons to hound their players.
    It's that you pretend to stay in a guild which have that specific rule without respect it.

    It's pretty different not to say selfish.

    Don’t confuse me. I’m not in a guild that does those things. I’m an officer of a high level social guild that respects its players. Whether they rep or appear online or not is their choice.

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    There should be the possibility to check if every member is representing ( at least for the guild where represent is a rule ).

    I 100% disagree with this. Representing a guild is not necessary anymore since Influence was deleted. There is 0 reason to have a rep rule. If a guild is as good as the people running it say, people will rep it.

    This is your point of view.
    If i do create a guild with rules, and among these there's the representing the guild, i want to be able to check if those who decided to join are respecting or not the rules.

    You don't like the rules?
    You don't join that specific guild.

    Your rules are opposite to game desing. We can be members of 5 guilds at the same time which means by design we are allowed by game dev to benefit from them and swap represent on the fly. Your 100% represent rule is abusive and what is worrying you want to spy on players whether they represent all the time. I think this type of behaviour when you harass a player for using in game tools the way they are intended to be used can be reported and punished if enough players start to report abusive guild leaders on daily basis.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    There should be the possibility to check if every member is representing ( at least for the guild where represent is a rule ).

    I 100% disagree with this. Representing a guild is not necessary anymore since Influence was deleted. There is 0 reason to have a rep rule. If a guild is as good as the people running it say, people will rep it.

    This is your point of view.
    If i do create a guild with rules, and among these there's the representing the guild, i want to be able to check if those who decided to join are respecting or not the rules.

    You don't like the rules?
    You don't join that specific guild.

    Your rules are opposite to game desing. We can be members of 5 guilds at the same time which means by design we are allowed by game dev to benefit from them and swap represent on the fly. Your 100% represent rule is abusive and what is worrying you want to spy on players whether they represent all the time. I think this type of behaviour when you harass a player for using in game tools the way they are intended to be used can be reported and punished if enough players start to report abusive guild leaders on daily basis.

    Nope, since

    • Game started with influence
    • We do have a way to check if a member of the guild is representing or not, regardless he's invisible or online.

    So i don't have any problems and i am glad to repeat what i stated before.
    You don't like rules? Don't Join ( i wouldn't say leave, because any smart players will check before join something ).
    You don't like fractals? Don't play em
    You don't like competitive modes? Don't play em
    You want gemstore items? Buy em.

    Easy as hell.

    And ofc if a reminder doesn't help you to find an answer within you, a gkick could be a solution.
    Really, i can't stand selfish people at all.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Game started with influence

    and evolved during years :)

    We do have a way to check if a member of the guild is representing or not, regardless he's invisible or online.

    It's an oversight on invisible status and goes beyond guilds.

    You don't like rules? Don't Join

    You can create a rule that your guild is for elephants only and yet game doesn't support your requirements.

    You can create a rule on LFG that only white cats are allowed and yet you have no tools to enforce it.

    Game design and dev ideas are above your rules in every way :)

    Really, i can't stand selfish people at all.

    So how do you stand yourself?

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    And ofc if a reminder doesn't help you to find an answer within you, a gkick could be a solution.
    Really, i can't stand selfish people at all.

    Not wanting to be social sometimes is hardly selfish. It’s very ok to not be in the best of moods interacting with other people, which is what the whole thread is about. Not a “I joined a very active guild and don’t like it” but “I like it, I’m just not in the mood today.”
    Quit blowing it out of proportion.
    Being a bit military about rep/offline appearance is a bit out of whack though, especially on members that have either explained why they’re not repping/offline, or are indeed usually an active social person.
    “Sometimes” is a long word, but it’s commonly used, so you should know what it means.

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    And ofc if a reminder doesn't help you to find an answer within you, a gkick could be a solution.
    Really, i can't stand selfish people at all.

    Not wanting to be social sometimes is hardly selfish. It’s very ok to not be in the best of moods interacting with other people, which is what the whole thread is about. Not a “I joined a very active guild and don’t like it” but “I like it, I’m just not in the mood today.”

    As you can see the problem was not that he was insulted or forced to do something, instead he was simply asked.
    And since he was invisible he wondered why they were able to see him.

    He's not in the mood today?
    It is something which happens sometimes, to everybody.

    Then he will simply have to deal with his guildies, though i find hard that representing will hurt the player itself.
    He will simply play on his own, rejecting the guild's proposals.

    But as said before, it has nothing to do with representing or not.
    About representing, you can simply chose the guild you join, and eventually accept if they have that specific rule.

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    But as said before, it has nothing to do with representing or not.
    About representing, you can simply chose the guild you join, and eventually accept if they have that specific rule.

    And this was your first post in this thread;

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    There should be the possibility to check if every member is representing ( at least for the guild where represent is a rule ).
    Exploiting with invisible mode should be avoided.

    However, they should allow guilds to set or not this option in order to preserve the privacy of the player.

    Right.

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    Being militant is just another way of showing you care - to a degree, of course. Every guild I've been in that has lost its "militant" streak has lost its identity. Core players quit, and are replaced by half-reppers who never talk but are always there. Durring this transition, you'd see less people wanting to help others and more people acting in self interest. At some point, self interest simply becomes the norm, and you simply stop caring for anyone in the guild.

    So, I agree with Shirlias. I hate selfish guildies.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    But as said before, it has nothing to do with representing or not.
    About representing, you can simply chose the guild you join, and eventually accept if they have that specific rule.

    And this was your first post in this thread;

    @Shirlias.8104 said:
    There should be the possibility to check if every member is representing ( at least for the guild where represent is a rule ).
    Exploiting with invisible mode should be avoided.

    However, they should allow guilds to set or not this option in order to preserve the privacy of the player.

    Right.

    It is related.
    The fact that guilds have that option it's also meant to check members ( and so, if they are representing or not ).
    The fact you, as guild or player, decide to use this option for that purpose or not it's on your own.

    My point is that you can't join a guild with specific rules and then complain about those.
    Better check the rules and decide if it's the guild which fits for you, or also leave the guild when you find out that you can't stand the rules.

    I never had any problems when i was not in the mood ( if i were asked to do something i simply rejected it ).

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    Being militant is just another way of showing you care - to a degree, of course. Every guild I've been in that has lost its "militant" streak has lost its identity. Core players quit, and are replaced by half-reppers who never talk but are always there. Durring this transition, you'd see less people wanting to help others and more people acting in self interest. At some point, self interest simply becomes the norm, and you simply stop caring for anyone in the guild.

    So, I agree with Shirlias. I hate selfish guildies.

    It’s funny you don’t see the irony of people militantly wanting people to be social for a guild, and calling them selfish.
    A guild leader obviously wants their guild to be good, that in itself is selfish, because they run the guild.

    But again, the OP has every right to how he wants to play on a daily basis, as do people who run the guild they are in. Neither are selfish if both are.

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    Actually i was talking about selfish players, not guilds ( even though i can pretty follow what you have said Weste )

    If a guild is selfish it will only be a group of players with common interests which need a group to be achieved ( raids and fractals IE ).
    What i was talking about are players who want to remain in a specific guild for specific reasons, but they don't accept all the rules the guild may have.

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    Being militant is just another way of showing you care - to a degree, of course. Every guild I've been in that has lost its "militant" streak has lost its identity. Core players quit, and are replaced by half-reppers who never talk but are always there. Durring this transition, you'd see less people wanting to help others and more people acting in self interest. At some point, self interest simply becomes the norm, and you simply stop caring for anyone in the guild.

    So, I agree with Shirlias. I hate selfish guildies.

    It’s funny you don’t see the irony of people militantly wanting people to be social for a guild, and calling them selfish.
    A guild leader obviously wants their guild to be good, that in itself is selfish, because they run the guild.

    But again, the OP has every right to how he wants to play on a daily basis, as do people who run the guild they are in. Neither are selfish if both are.

    What's ironic about wanting to share a good time?

    Everyone has a different definition of a good time. Some people like their space, some people want you to be in their face. This is, I feel, the core topic of this thread - a community driven problem we want Anet to magically awnser.

  • Galmac.4680Galmac.4680 Member ✭✭✭

    You can still be seen as yellow dot on the map, I noticed that once in our guild hall.
    But you can try this: Set your status to offline and switch to your bank guild. Then nobody should see you if not running beside you.

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  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2017

    @Westenev.5289 said:
    Being militant is just another way of showing you care - to a degree, of course. Every guild I've been in that has lost its "militant" streak has lost its identity. Core players quit, and are replaced by half-reppers who never talk but are always there. Durring this transition, you'd see less people wanting to help others and more people acting in self interest. At some point, self interest simply becomes the norm, and you simply stop caring for anyone in the guild.

    So, I agree with Shirlias. I hate selfish guildies.

    “half-repper”, someone who floats about, doesn’t really talk, goes from guild to guild, right? The only difference between them and those “core members” you like so much is time. Give them a reason to get to know you, build up a rapport. Then they turn into core members. Part of building that rapport, is patience, understanding and enjoying each other’s company.
    Now, giving rules on friendship (100% rep or kick), makes some people stand-off and distant. The best run guilds are the ones who have leaders with good people management skills. Very few 100% rep guilds have those people leading them, but very many social guilds with 0 rules have great leaders.

    My guild has 1 rule, don’t be a ****. (Insert whichever expletive you like)

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Galmac.4680 said:
    You can still be seen as yellow dot on the map, I noticed that once in our guild hall.
    But you can try this: Set your status to offline and switch to your bank guild. Then nobody should see you if not running beside you.

    Going to test it today :)

  • Ultimately, it doesn't matter why someone wants to be online and invisible; it matters only whether (a) it's possible and (b) if not, why does ANet offer something called "invisible" for status. Let's try to avoid spending too much time on the motivation, when the OP was primarily interested in how the mechanic works (or specifically: why it doesn't work as one would expect from a plain English reading of the word "invisible").

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  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    Ultimately, it doesn't matter why someone wants to be online and invisible; it matters only whether (a) it's possible and (b) if not, why does ANet offer something called "invisible" for status. Let's try to avoid spending too much time on the motivation, when the OP was primarily interested in how the mechanic works (or specifically: why it doesn't work as one would expect from a plain English reading of the word "invisible").

    The most discouraging thing is that it is mentioned many times in last years without any response or reaction. Anet's stance towards player privacy is very lacking, but that's nothing new.

  • Dreamy Lu.3865Dreamy Lu.3865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    Ultimately, it doesn't matter why someone wants to be online and invisible; it matters only whether (a) it's possible and (b) if not, why does ANet offer something called "invisible" for status. Let's try to avoid spending too much time on the motivation, when the OP was primarily interested in how the mechanic works (or specifically: why it doesn't work as one would expect from a plain English reading of the word "invisible").

    Fully agree!
    And the answer is: As said before, the invisible status is not real. You remain glowing as a big yellow dot on map for all guildies to see you, and your name appears with a marking different than off line players in the guild member list (grey/white, can't recall what one for what right now). So, even if you are invisible, people can see you and that very easily. Not to forget that since you are from guild, if they meet you somewhere, they can see your name highlighted gold (if they have show names in their set up).

    I'm out of my mind, feel free to leave a message...

  • @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    My guild has 1 rule, don’t be a ****. (Insert whichever expletive you like)

    Chuckle just so long as you allowed to be a kitten (not the replacement for unacceptable words) (jk)

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ellegon Mcleod.5931 said:

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    My guild has 1 rule, don’t be a ****. (Insert whichever expletive you like)

    Chuckle just so long as you allowed to be a kitten (not the replacement for unacceptable words) (jk)

    We love kittens so no worries!

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Greaka.6905Greaka.6905 Member ✭✭
    edited December 7, 2017

    Hey folks,
    I have read your discussion without commenting so far but appreciate your commitment.
    To those, who want to discuss about "OP" 's case:
    I obey every rule and have no problem about representing any guild. However, I said guild leaders because it didn't came from only one guild. I have 2 very active guilds, a PvE one and a WvW one. Both are very successful guilds in their game mode. For example, we raid on monday every week, both in PvE and in WvW. The WvW guild has a rule of on raid times, if you are online, you have to be there. There are two situations that can cause problems now:

    • Sometimes I also want to raid PvE, so I have to go offline
    • work and other stuff can sometimes be tiring etc., I cannot concentrate enough to play high level content

    That's only an example that is happening mondays, we have other days for activities as well, it is just to get the point for you.
    In short: I want to play the whole game, not only the stuff a specific guild does. Also: your point about not wanting to socialize sometimes hit the spot as well.

  • Deimos.4263Deimos.4263 Member ✭✭✭

    @Greaka.6905 said:
    In short: I want to play the whole game, not only the stuff a specific guild does. Also: your point about not wanting to socialize sometimes hit the spot as well.

    Stop hiding! Tell them this flat out. If they don't accept it, find a better guild.

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I can understand the wish to be left alone sometimes. Anyone has these days. I will never be a fan of people who are pretending to be offline to get past having to join guild activities, however. You should not be part of two guilds with colliding schedules to begin with or at least be honest with them if you are. This usually allows you to come up with a good compromise. Always works for me at least. Guild leaders should be actually calling you out on this if they notice since it does make you look like someone who is just there for the benefits as well as rather disrespectful towards their rules.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • Haleydawn.3764Haleydawn.3764 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2017

    @Henry.5713 said:
    I will never be a fan of people who are pretending to be offline to get past having to join guild activities, however.

    Many people will never be a fan of having to appear as offline to be able to occasionally do what they want to do in game, as opposed to what the guild wants them to do. Feeling the need to appear as offline just so you can do what you want to do occasionally, should not have to happen. It happens because of poor leadership and understanding.

    You should not be part of two guilds with colliding schedules to begin with or at least be honest with them if you are. This usually allows you to come up with a good compromise. Always works for me at least. Guild leaders should be actually calling you out on this if they notice since it does make you look like someone who is just there for the benefits as well as rather disrespectful towards their rules.

    Some guilds schedules change quicker than others. As do players schedules and wants/needs while playing. Some Guild leaders are far too militant for their own good however, it's fine to bring it up as a 'Hey I noticed you're not joining in today, how come?' 'Not in the mood, other guild needs me, I wanted to do X,Y,Z instead 'etc. But some leaders give real warnings, which is just a big Stop sign for some people.

    Better get a wriggle on.

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:

    @Shirlias.8104 said:

    There should be the possibility to check if every member is representing ( at least for the guild where represent is a rule ).

    I 100% disagree with this. Representing a guild is not necessary anymore since Influence was deleted. There is 0 reason to have a rep rule. If a guild is as good as the people running it say, people will rep it.

    This is your point of view.
    If i do create a guild with rules, and among these there's the representing the guild, i want to be able to check if those who decided to join are respecting or not the rules.

    You don't like the rules?
    You don't join that specific guild.

    Your rules are opposite to game desing. We can be members of 5 guilds at the same time which means by design we are allowed by game dev to benefit from them and swap represent on the fly. Your 100% represent rule is abusive and what is worrying you want to spy on players whether they represent all the time. I think this type of behaviour when you harass a player for using in game tools the way they are intended to be used can be reported and punished if enough players start to report abusive guild leaders on daily basis.

    Wow, the standard for what is considered abusive continues to drop. Its arguments like this that cause people who are experiencing true abuse to be doubted.

    An optional guild having a rule that involves one key command, and that prospective members are informed about, and for which the only actual consequence for non adherence is removal from the guild to which one has no entitlement, is about as far from abusive as is possible.

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2017

    @Greaka.6905 said:
    Hey folks,
    I have read your discussion without commenting so far but appreciate your commitment.
    To those, who want to discuss about "OP" 's case:
    I obey every rule and have no problem about representing any guild. However, I said guild leaders because it didn't came from only one guild. I have 2 very active guilds, a PvE one and a WvW one. Both are very successful guilds in their game mode. For example, we raid on monday every week, both in PvE and in WvW. The WvW guild has a rule of on raid times, if you are online, you have to be there. There are two situations that can cause problems now:

    • Sometimes I also want to raid PvE, so I have to go offline
    • work and other stuff can sometimes be tiring etc., I cannot concentrate enough to play high level content

    That's only an example that is happening mondays, we have other days for activities as well, it is just to get the point for you.
    In short: I want to play the whole game, not only the stuff a specific guild does. Also: your point about not wanting to socialize sometimes hit the spot as well.

    Then don't join the guilds. There are plenty of guilds that are successful because of the approaches they chose to take up. If one members chose to do otherwise, that actions can become contagious and influence other members, therefore ending up affect the guilds in long run. Likewise, there are guilds that decided that such actions can become negative for the guild itself since you won't be the last person doing it.

    In other words, you joined a hardcore wvw guild with clear and strict rules while wanting exploit the rules. That is your issues, not the game's issue.

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  • Go "Offline", Rep a different guild or none at all. If you are repping the guild, you will show up on the "Map" as a yellow dot. I have often been going to waypoint and see several "dots" of players that are offline but still repping. (Side note, Our guild has the understanding that if an individual is "offline" they probably don't want to be bothered. They are offline for a reason, be it, working on a chieve or farming or doing story, what ever it may be. So we just leave them alone...they know we are in VOIP and can find us when they are ready to be social.)

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2017

    @Haleydawn.3764 said:
    Representing a guild is not necessary anymore since Influence was deleted. There is 0 reason to have a rep rule. If a guild is as good as the people running it say, people will rep it.

    I have known guilds with people who once tried to get their participants to rep their guild but end up with this reply, "Why rep? Is just a raid guild"
    Some guilds want rep because they just don't want to be yet another LFG guild and yes, even LFG guild can be social, who say it can't? It is just another form of map chat.
    The meaning of guild itself has since long been blurred.

    In any case, I see completely no reason why you are going that far in your argument and coming up with more nonsense and accusations with every new posts. You need to calm your big head.

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    Henge of Denravi Server
    www.gw2time.com

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