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  • I found that there were almost too many "easy-accessible" mastery points, to the point where a lot of the more interesting masteries don't feel worth doing.

  • @Enola B Twenty Nine.2631 said:
    So far, I love the expansion. Compared to HoT, I really enjoyed playing PoF, except until the past few hours. I am stuck looking for a single mastery point. I am on the "Find the remaining crystals of Vlast's body" story, and need to get "canyon jumping" mastery. I have just one more point so as to get the Springer Mount, but for the life of me, I can't find any "easy" accessible points. I have also been to Elon Riverlands, but these don't seem to be accessible either.

    Am I missing something? I am sick and tired of wondering around the web looking for possible clues. Is there an exact number of easier accessible mastery's, and I am just missing them?

    I've been on a raptor for what feels like days, and tried for about 10 minutes on the first jump in Dulfy's article. Never landed it. http://dulfy.net/2017/09/23/gw2-path-of-fire-crystal-oasis-mastery-insights-guide/
    What I failed to realise is that you can just hold down [space] or [v] to jump further. I'm an idiot.

  • Oldirtbeard.9834Oldirtbeard.9834 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashabhi.1365 said:
    When you say "easily accessable" do you mean that you can't just walk up to them and commune? Or do you mean that you can't get there period?

    The simple answer to the first part is that sometimes you have to take friends with you, such as most of the HP challenges and some of the mastery points in Verdant Brink, Auric Basin, etc. The answer to the second part is more difficult. I found one mastery point where I was standing on the icon in the map, but it said that it was 12K above me... and there was only sky. That is an issue.

    Probably only accessible with a Jackal through a portal.

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  • Oldirtbeard.9834Oldirtbeard.9834 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @SimBilly.8047 said:
    That chef needs to quit running around is all I'm sayin'

    Come one needs to break Chefs kneecaps.

    “The only watchmaker is the blind forces of physics.”
    ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

  • Disagree. Yes, the mastery points take some effort to get to but consider that you only will ever have to do it once for your entire account to reap the rewards. Also, did you notice that the experience 'grind' for POF was a drop in the bucket compared to HOT? I like the challenge in POF of finding enough mastery points to progress my mount skills. It is more enjoyable than having easy access to mastery points, but hours of grind ahead of me just to use them.

  • Ayumi Spender.1082Ayumi Spender.1082 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Please tell me this is a joke topic. I was able to max out every single Mastery, I'm missing a few... not sure how many have 15 laying around right now.
    in HoT I have only Glider completed and the others maybe up to upgrade 4 or so and I only have 5 mastery points left.

    I find the other HoT masteries really hard to get (I can't get any adventure ones from Auric Basin and onward for example)

  • Zaltys.7649Zaltys.7649 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 13, 2017

    @Ayumi Spender.1082 said:
    Please tell me this is a joke topic.

    Please read the whole topic.

    This was a major problem the first couple of days after the launch, when the instances refused to load on some of the servers (so no masteries from the story, and none from the bounties either because trying to kill the legendary wyrm crashed the game). So some players couldn't progress past Crystal Desert, at least not without getting mesmers to help them reach the raptor 3+ masteries.

    Now? Not such a problem anymore, so I dunno why this thread keeps going.

  • Shirlias.8104Shirlias.8104 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 13, 2017

    Not enough easy Points?
    The ones you need fast, lvl 3 masteries for the 4 mounts, come from story and easy exploration.

    Before i ended pof exploration i had way more Points than needed, which includes the Points i needed for lvl 4 masteries and griffon masteries.

    Ps: and I completed it slowly, in a couple of week ( 2 hours per day, and someday more ).

    Edit: and about chef

    1. Path is always the same, so knowing it and the casting/Landing time of throwing ingredients allows you to anticipate it easily, Just for not saying brainlessly.
    2. The challenge allows you to make mystakes.
    3. You just have to remember the locations of 20 ingredients more or Less.

    Seriously, it was fun, not challenging.

  • Ayumi Spender.1082Ayumi Spender.1082 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zaltys.7649 said:

    @Ayumi Spender.1082 said:
    Please tell me this is a joke topic.

    Please read the whole topic.

    This was a major problem the first couple of days after the launch, when the instances refused to load on some servers. So none of the players on those could get beyond Crystal Desert, at least not without getting mesmers to help them get to the raptor 3+ masteries.

    Now? Not such a problem anymore, so I dunno why this thread keeps going.

    Strange as I think I got Raptor to 3 from Oasis.
    I do remember trying to get into Riverlands and kept getting kicked out of the game every time and being brought back to the Oasis and geting pissed off.

  • castlemanic.3198castlemanic.3198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    With the raptor, you can get the mastery that's supposed to be for the skimmer in the south west of crystal oasis by mounting and dismounting as a higher jump. Did that day 1 so devs might have moved a few rocks since then to change it. You can also get the mastery point in the middle of the quicksand area if you have advanced gliding my jumping off of the northern most pyramid (I think I followed a dulfy video for both of these mastery points). I also did the sous-chef one, which I know a lot of people were having difficulty with, so if you havent gotten that one yet, it's worth a try. Can't think of any other mastery points you can mcguyver your way to.

    If you join a debate and provide little to no proof when the other side provides lots of evidence, you can't then declare yourself the winner of that debate. Veterans can make signatures apparently.

  • Purgatori.3645Purgatori.3645 Member ✭✭✭

    @Enola B Twenty Nine.2631 said:
    So far, I love the expansion. Compared to HoT, I really enjoyed playing PoF, except until the past few hours. I am stuck looking for a single mastery point. I am on the "Find the remaining crystals of Vlast's body" story, and need to get "canyon jumping" mastery. I have just one more point so as to get the Springer Mount, but for the life of me, I can't find any "easy" accessible points. I have also been to Elon Riverlands, but these don't seem to be accessible either.

    Am I missing something? I am sick and tired of wondering around the web looking for possible clues. Is there an exact number of easier accessible mastery's, and I am just missing them?

    Sorry I never had any trouble getting these points, but she has an amazing guide to help you ....

    As per Dulfy :

    http://dulfy.net/2017/09/23/gw2-path-of-fire-crystal-oasis-mastery-insights-guide/
    http://dulfy.net/2017/09/25/gw2-path-of-fire-desert-highlands-mastery-insights-guide/
    http://dulfy.net/2017/09/25/gw2-ebon-riverlands-mastery-insights-guide/
    http://dulfy.net/2017/09/25/gw2-desolation-mastery-insights-guide/
    http://dulfy.net/2017/09/26/gw2-domain-of-vabbi-mastery-insights-guide/

    GOOD LUCK!

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  • Rauderi.8706Rauderi.8706 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vladish.3940 said:

    @Khisanth.2948 said:
    I like the fact that ArenaNet's response to players complaining about mastery gating is to make the gating even worse in their next expansion...

    I see no gating being worse. People need to learn to not rush through maps "to the end" and just explore too. I finished only Crystal Oasis and have points to spare, with mastery points still left on the map, so yeah....

    Yeah, the masteries in PoF were much easier to get a hold of, and the obnoxious gates from HoT didn't make an appearance in PoF.
    And no "Adventure" locking! :+1:
    If there was any problem I ran into getting my masteries for PoF, it was that several were locked behind Jackal 3 sand portals. That got frustrating because of the portals' weird placement and the old "you can't get there from here" that I loathed in HoT.

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  • Okay, so this post I'm writing at present, which is in the future of the original post that was written in the past... can be answered by the following:

    They have enough mastery points to get you to Canyon Jumping by just using your raptor. Unfortunately, you can only get one additional mastery point for full completion of the raptor before you run out of accessible ones. So, if you're like me and you want to be a completionist, it's next to impossible. Somebody feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I've gone around the Desert Highlands multiple times, as well as Crystal Oasis, and can't find any more mastery points that the raptor can reach on its own.

    Luckily, you don't need a full souped-up raptor to get the springer, but... alas, I wish I could do one mastery track at a time without backlash.

  • UPDATE: I did a little puzzle-solving in Kanuz Cache, crossed the gap there using Canyon Jumping, and was already able to obtain one more mastery point. I'll scout the area to see if there are more possibilities. One step closer to my goal!

  • castlemanic.3198castlemanic.3198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kroff.5204 said:
    UPDATE: I did a little puzzle-solving in Kanuz Cache, crossed the gap there using Canyon Jumping, and was already able to obtain one more mastery point. I'll scout the area to see if there are more possibilities. One step closer to my goal!

    Just a tip for anyone doing this, dismounting (not the engage skill) gives you a higher jump than the raptor can normally jump and way higher than you as a player can jump. That should give you enough leg room to get around this.

    If you join a debate and provide little to no proof when the other side provides lots of evidence, you can't then declare yourself the winner of that debate. Veterans can make signatures apparently.

  • ophidic.1279ophidic.1279 Member ✭✭
    edited December 21, 2017

    Yeah I gotta say this is garbage. I've grabbed all the easy mastery points, plus whatever the story gives me and now i'm wandering around trying to figure out what to do because I've consulted a list of mastery points and none are accessible without a springer, I can't access a springer because I can't find a final mastery point for the raptor long jump, and I can't find a mastery point because I've gone through the list and the story says I need a springer to reach a crystal.

    Cool, I guess i'll just wander around aimlessly Anet.

  • I'm seeing guides on how to get mastery points with the raptor that I shouldn't be able to reach, but I shouldn't have to do that, right?

  • Fluffball.8307Fluffball.8307 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I haven't followed this thread at all, but since it got bumped:

    I've recently completed all my elite specs on 8.75/9 characters, starting from Vabbi up (using the sunspear teleport thing so I don't have to play the story). 90% of my HC unlocks have come from the top two maps. They're way easier to get to and way easier to complete.

  • Ardenwolfe.8590Ardenwolfe.8590 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Dulfy has some sensational guides to each Mastery Point. http://dulfy.net/2017/09/26/gw2-path-of-fire-mastery-insights-guide/

    Hope the link helps.

    No longer posting or playing.

  • Finally did Imed’s Grotto, ONLY after jumping off the raptor... it was cute how they put not one but two reef drakes on that tiny platform... and make one spawn right on top of the mastery point too, instantly I might add, so you're guaranteed to agro it.

    By the time I killed it and was halfway through getting the point, it spawns AGAIN. What is that even? Ugh, so glad to be done with this point scraping for a while.

  • Urud.4925Urud.4925 Member ✭✭✭

    I found PoF mastery tracks way easier than Hot ones. I had to leave some mastery points on the maps that couldn't be done without a specific mount, but I never found myself stuck. On the contrary, I always had more MP available than my exp bar.
    The only thing that I did, was to level up the tracks until level 3, and then switch to another mount, since the 3 is very useful, while the 4 cost several points and don't provide any big utility for your progress.

  • Biff.5312Biff.5312 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Siska.8102 said:
    No there isn't enough reasonably attainable mastery points. It makes playing the story miserable. I don't need things handed to me, but when playing the story is gated behind having the mount mastery needed to get the mastery it gets a bit stupid.

    I completely agree, but this is what the expansion was ADVERTISED as. You'd get mounts that you need to upgrade via mastery points in order to access areas of the map. And people LOVED the idea. I was alone screaming "WHY would you want this?" Well, now we have what everyone said sounded awesome. Now, we get complaints.

  • @LucianDK.8615 said:
    Struggled pretty hard myself to get the last mastery point for raptor3, had to blow a teleport to friend to get one. Then it was smooth sailing, and i have an excess of them now.

    So as I understand it, you want the bunny to progress through story you don't have access to because all instance servers are down?

    I totally get the frustration as I had to wait nearly a day on US because instance servers were down. But others are correct-by playing through the story instances (when they're up) and hunting through the first zone, you will end up with more.than enough MP to get your raptor to L3 long before you get to the bunny.

  • Oenanthe.6549Oenanthe.6549 Member ✭✭✭

    I had a similar problem, needed canyon jumping to finish the story, but needed the mastery point from the story to get canyon jumping.

    I ended up on Dulfy and found a wonderful table that listed all the commune mastery points by mount and mount ability. It turned out there was one just outside Amnoon that I had missed. After I got that it was plain sailing and now I have more mastery points and not enough XP again.

  • At first I found PoF mastery points hard to get, which was how it should be IMO. As I unlocked more mounts and masteries, the points came faster than I could use them.

    Now if I could just get more central Tyria mastery points. For whatever reasons, those are hard for me and I need a ton. Yes, I know where the latest easy map ones are and I know how to get the rest. Just hard for me. Gives me a goal, though.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Whenyou play the game for more than a week ots noce to see that younhave things to go for and do after the first day.

  • Despond.2174Despond.2174 Member ✭✭✭

    It was by far the easiest MP experience, 90% are all just go up and grab, just the start is slower once you get the rabbit. The LW4 also has 3-4 walk up to MPs, compared to HOT it's a cakewalk.

  • The only small issue I had was, that I didn't spend my mastery points near the start on the raptor since I wanted to save them for the bunny. I didn't expect the next mount to be gated of like that for some reason, and had to farm a bit of experience to catch up later. Other than that i don't remember having much trouble finding and gathering enough mastery points to activate anything I unlocked. Just had to explore and keep the eye on the achievements.

  • If you are playing with characters at level 80 from before HoT and PoF and all the other acheivments were made offical, can you still get mastery points done in the main story? Im just curious, cause I want more mastery points for central Tyria.
    I've played since 2013

  • Tanner Blackfeather.6509Tanner Blackfeather.6509 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2018

    @Zinox.2396 said:
    If you are playing with characters at level 80 from before HoT and PoF and all the other acheivments were made offical, can you still get mastery points done in the main story? Im just curious, cause I want more mastery points for central Tyria.
    I've played since 2013

    All achievements that has gotten MP rewards added to them also give these points retroactively, so you've already recieved these points.
    Look through your Achievement panel for red Mastery stars - those achievements offer points for Core masteries.

  • particlepinata.9865particlepinata.9865 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2018

    If you find a friendly mesmer you can get the mastery point top left in the first map (the little island with cave) so you can get over the blocking boulder. I did when first playing Pof.

  • FOX.3582FOX.3582 Member ✭✭✭

    If you have problems getting the first two or three mounts, you're a really really really bad player. Sorry...

  • @FOX.3582 said:
    If you have problems getting the first two or three mounts, you're a really really really bad player. Sorry...

    There is a spot working on the Raptor masteries where it can seem to be a lack of points, if one doesn't actually look deep enough. Equaly, if you move straight for Raptor 4 soon after getting the Springer, getting Springer 3 can take a bit of work.

  • DoctorOverlord.8620DoctorOverlord.8620 Member ✭✭
    edited January 28, 2018

    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who hit a wall trying to get Canyon Jumping for my Raptor. Many comments on this thread did not address the OP's issue, this isn't about Mastery point balance but this specific bottleneck.

    The Dulfy website is a boon, one still can get the Imed's Grotto MP which gave me enough to get Canyon Jumping.

    Reading on this thread how Mesmers are helping people get points makes me think that's really nice of them, but why are player resorting to these alternate methods unless the points are presenting issues to get. This thread shows that they should at least have made it clearer what players should do at this particular bottleneck with Raptors.

  • @DoctorOverlord.8620 said:
    Then I read on this thread how Mesmers are helping people get points. That's really nice of them, but why are player resorting to these alternate method? Shouldn't we be able to get the points just on our own?

    Sure, and you can get plenty of points just on your own without resorting to mesmer ports or moderate exploits. In any game, if I run into something that's hard or frustrating, I go in a different direction and come back later. There are plenty of mastery points in PoF. It only gets hard if you restrict yourself to in/near Amnoon plus the personal story up to raptor. (And even then, not everyone finds the points difficult to obtain.)

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • @DoctorOverlord.8620 said:

    @Vladish.3940 said:

    But there is still enough. Story + 4 masteries from Oasis = Raptor 3 with a point to spare. Meaning there is a surplus of 1 point. That means one of the hated memory mini-games cant be entire skipped too for those that hate it, while still having Raptor 3 achievable. I don't do achievements unless I accidentally manage to finish them, so I don't even look at those points. The whole discussion is moot at this point.

    This is incorrect according to Dulfy. After the recent patch, there are only TWO points in Oasis reachable without Canyon jumping or using the Dismount method (which has been patched if you read the comments). So the only option appears to be doing the story to get past this point? If I am incorrect about this, can someone please explain how to get Canyon Jumping just by exploring with a base Raptor?

    You're right, 4 is incorrect. It's actually 5 masteries in the Oasis zone:

    • Meditation point at Elon Bay (underwater)
    • Meditation point a little north of the Amnoon bazaar Point of Interest.
    • Sous-chef challenge
    • Memorization teleporter game
    • "Reins of the Raptor" achievement

    With 3 from the story, it adds up to 8. You only need 6.

  • Sila.6748Sila.6748 Member ✭✭✭

    I found that I had more than enough points for everything too, but I can't remember the specific order I went in to get them all. Just a lot of exploring, running around, seeing where I could jump to etc. If I wasn't sure, I'd look up the area and see if you needed a mount at a certain mastery level to get there. But otherwise, join HP trains/MP trains if you're tired of trying to find them yourself.

    I actually had enough points even without doing any of the story past the very first part to get everything up until griffon. By the time I did the story and ran around the maps with a friend to get what I was missing, I had enough to max out griffon and every single mount completely. It was pretty quick, compared to HoT maps where I've finally maxed out both gliding and mushrooms (complete with ley line gliding and adrenal mushrooms) and still have a lot to go until the rest of the paths are done, even with the points from having LS2 and LS3 completed.

    If you're stuck trying to get to a mastery insight, just ask in map chat. No luck? Log out to character select and log back in, ask another instance. Ask on the forums, on reddit, on discord. Ask your friends or guildies.

  • @GreyWolf.8670 said:

    @SimBilly.8047 said:
    That chef needs to quit running around is all I'm sayin'

    He visits the stations in the same order. If you have an ingredient and he's already at one then get in position to throw it to him at the next stop.

    It took me multiple tries -- at least twenty -- and NEVER ONCE did the chef proceed in the same order.

    "Beware of dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Ketchup."

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If you're on a US server I'd be happy to help you. Just message me in game.

  • GreyWolf.8670GreyWolf.8670 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lord Kreegan.8123 said:

    @GreyWolf.8670 said:

    @SimBilly.8047 said:
    That chef needs to quit running around is all I'm sayin'

    He visits the stations in the same order. If you have an ingredient and he's already at one then get in position to throw it to him at the next stop.

    It took me multiple tries -- at least twenty -- and NEVER ONCE did the chef proceed in the same order.

    He doesn't ask for the ingredients in the same order. He only moves from station to station in the same order. They may have altered it since I posted that a few months ago.

  • @GreyWolf.8670 said:

    @Lord Kreegan.8123 said:

    @GreyWolf.8670 said:

    @SimBilly.8047 said:
    That chef needs to quit running around is all I'm sayin'

    He visits the stations in the same order. If you have an ingredient and he's already at one then get in position to throw it to him at the next stop.

    It took me multiple tries -- at least twenty -- and NEVER ONCE did the chef proceed in the same order.

    He doesn't ask for the ingredients in the same order. He only moves from station to station in the same order. They may have altered it since I posted that a few months ago.

    Nope, didn't even do that... not the same ingredients and not the same stations. Random each time... and sometimes the same ingredients multiple times in a row with the chef at different stations (which confirms the random nature).

    "Beware of dragons, for you are crunchy and go well with Ketchup."

  • Alehin.3746Alehin.3746 Member ✭✭✭

    You can't be serious

  • ReaverKane.7598ReaverKane.7598 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well... Unless you really, but royally messed up your mastery point usage, you shouldn't have any issues obtaining lvl 3 Raptor...
    Just explore the other maps a bit, there's tons of masteries around.
    I actually explored the maps completely before going through the story, also i rushed to unlock all the normal mounts (not griff), and rarely found myself lacking mastery points.
    There are a few that are tricky to get and require griffon or elaborate jumps with springer, but for the most part, having the basic mounts and lvl 3 mastery on them is enough to net you all the mastery points in the world but one.

  • Menadena.7482Menadena.7482 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Do not get the top tiers of the masteries until last. Hold off on them as long as possible in case you need the points in S4 or if you are getting the griffon.

    New to the game? Feel free to give a yell if you need PVE help.

  • Menadena.7482Menadena.7482 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FOX.3582 said:
    If you have problems getting the first two or three mounts, you're a really really really bad player. Sorry...

    Thumbs down. If you read the thread a LOT of people had troubles with getting to raptor 3.

    New to the game? Feel free to give a yell if you need PVE help.

  • FOX.3582FOX.3582 Member ✭✭✭

    @Menadena.7482 said:

    @FOX.3582 said:
    If you have problems getting the first two or three mounts, you're a really really really bad player. Sorry...

    Thumbs down. If you read the thread a LOT of people had troubles with getting to raptor 3.

    Smashing your head on your keyboard does not count as actually ‘playing this game’. Isn’t that what a video-game is supposed to be? Challenging, and being rewarded after doing something “difficult”?

  • DoctorOverlord.8620DoctorOverlord.8620 Member ✭✭
    edited February 1, 2018

    @FOX.3582 said:

    @Menadena.7482 said:

    @FOX.3582 said:
    If you have problems getting the first two or three mounts, you're a really really really bad player. Sorry...

    Thumbs down. If you read the thread a LOT of people had troubles with getting to raptor 3.

    Smashing your head on your keyboard does not count as actually ‘playing this game’. Isn’t that what a video-game is supposed to be? Challenging, and being rewarded after doing something “difficult”?

    There is that fine line between content being 'challenging' and 'annoying waste of time'. Difficulty isn't really the issue, this is a video game, not learning a language or something truly hard. It is really just a matter of how much of your spare time do you want (or have) to sink into it. This is why I do not envy game developers who have to walk that line of 'challenging' vs. 'annoying timesink' , particularly because every player has different standards for it.

    There has been the good suggestion of looking for answers on Reddit (or forums like this), but even that eats more of the spare time which is very precious for some people. Heck, just replying to you is cutting into the amount of time I will be able to log into the game this evening. I just think it would have been nice if the game directed things a little more clearly through this particular bottleneck so threads like this would not be needed at all (and I could be playing right now).

    The suggestion below seems to be the best I have seen:

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:

    I actually explored the maps completely before going through the story, also i rushed to unlock all the normal mounts (not griff), and rarely found myself lacking mastery points.

    This has been recommended in other threads I have read. I was hoping to have a more cinematic experience and let the story introduce me to the new zones, but clearly that is not the best way to do things. Exploring everything first seems to be the answer.

    And here's another example why I don't envy game developers. Some players like the idea of exploring all the zones before ever doing the story, while others prefer the story to accompany the discovery of zones. This is just one of the instances where different playstyles didn't quite mesh up.

  • ReaverKane.7598ReaverKane.7598 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DoctorOverlord.8620 said:

    @FOX.3582 said:

    @Menadena.7482 said:

    @FOX.3582 said:
    If you have problems getting the first two or three mounts, you're a really really really bad player. Sorry...

    Thumbs down. If you read the thread a LOT of people had troubles with getting to raptor 3.

    Smashing your head on your keyboard does not count as actually ‘playing this game’. Isn’t that what a video-game is supposed to be? Challenging, and being rewarded after doing something “difficult”?

    There is that fine line between content being 'challenging' and 'annoying waste of time'. Difficulty isn't really the issue, this is a video game, not learning a language or something truly hard. It is really just a matter of how much of your spare time do you want (or have) to sink into it. This is why I do not envy game developers who have to walk that line of 'challenging' vs. 'annoying timesink' , particularly because every player has different standards for it.

    There has been the good suggestion of looking for answers on Reddit (or forums like this), but even that eats more of the spare time which is very precious for some people. Heck, just replying to you is cutting into the amount of time I will be able to log into the game this evening. I just think it would have been nice if the game directed things a little more clearly through this particular bottleneck so threads like this would not be needed at all (and I could be playing right now).

    The suggestion below seems to be the best I have seen:

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:

    I actually explored the maps completely before going through the story, also i rushed to unlock all the normal mounts (not griff), and rarely found myself lacking mastery points.

    This has been recommended in other threads I have read. I was hoping to have a more cinematic experience and let the story introduce me to the new zones, but clearly that is not the best way to do things. Exploring everything first seems to be the answer.

    And here's another example why I don't envy game developers. Some players like the idea of exploring all the zones before ever doing the story, while others prefer the story to accompany the discovery of zones. This is just one of the instances where different playstyles didn't quite mesh up.

    You can do it that way, most of my friends did that. but it seems that you missed a beat somewhere, i mean i count 4 mastery point insights from the first map alone, the ones that don't need special mounts.
    Then there should be at least a couple from story and achievements. You shouldn't have to explore the other maps ahead of time, but you definitely missed some points in the first one, or you skipped ahead and unlocked another mount before you had cliff jumper.

  • @ReaverKane.7598 said:
    You can do it that way, most of my friends did that. but it seems that you missed a beat somewhere, i mean i count 4 mastery point insights from the first map alone, the ones that don't need special mounts.
    Then there should be at least a couple from story and achievements. You shouldn't have to explore the other maps ahead of time, but you definitely missed some points in the first one, or you skipped ahead and unlocked another mount before you had cliff jumper.

    Nope, I only have Raptor. Are you able to unlock other mounts without Cliff Jumping? I thought I had read you need to it get the Springer at least.

    I must have missed a beat as you say, and that's why I was glad to see threads like this letting me know that I wasn't the only one. But I managed to get past it, I just wonder who else might fall into the same issue in the future.

  • Why is this thread keep getting dig up....

    By a quick wiki (or actually playing a game ...explore a bit of the first map). You will find that you will got:

    -2 channels mastery point that 's hand out to you nearby Amnoon city.

    -1 point is from pretty easy memory game at the north of the map.

    -3 points just form playing " through " act 1 story of PoF
    (No need for any extra achivement!)

    Raptor 3 need only 6 points to unlock.

    You have enough mastery point for raptor 3 from just doing that. You not even have to touch that chef minigame people claimed to be impossible.

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