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  • @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    They have acess of the real numbers, they know how many raid and dont...if I remenber, a dev allready said that the raid community is really small(i expect to be like <10%). guess most really dont want to make their own builds and strategies, they basically dont know how to actually play the game, they just copy whatever is the builds and rotations that the speedrunners say its the meta

    It's not difficult to develop meta builds independently. If you have an outcome in mind, the choices in gear/traits are usually pretty clear. What quantify and snow crows (assuming they're your speedrunners) are doing is testing whether one set of good traits is actually better than another set of good traits, saving people time and money. You might enjoy doing your own testing, more power to you, but other people might prefer to save some time, go with something they know is solid, and spend more time fighting. Neither way is more or less valid as a play style, so there's really no need to sit here suggesting that your way is somehow the "actual" way to play the game, and everyone else is playing the game wrong.

  • STIHL.2489STIHL.2489 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    I used to raid in my previous MMO, and before HoT, thought adding raids to GW2 was going to be a catastrophic mistake... after HoT, and seeing them, and seeing how they have affected the games culture, I stand by my first feelings.

    Some games, raids are apart of them, they make them the great games they are, they feel like the next step up in along their dungeon paths.. in GW2, they are stand alone disjunctive odd ball content that would have been better if they were made a 5 person content and added to fractal levels... like . fractal levels 150.

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  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    @Cameron.6450 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    They have acess of the real numbers, they know how many raid and dont...if I remenber, a dev allready said that the raid community is really small(i expect to be like <10%). guess most really dont want to make their own builds and strategies, they basically dont know how to actually play the game, they just copy whatever is the builds and rotations that the speedrunners say its the meta

    It's not difficult to develop meta builds independently. If you have an outcome in mind, the choices in gear/traits are usually pretty clear. What quantify and snow crows (assuming they're your speedrunners) are doing is testing whether one set of good traits is actually better than another set of good traits, saving people time and money. You might enjoy doing your own testing, more power to you, but other people might prefer to save some time, go with something they know is solid, and spend more time fighting. Neither way is more or less valid as a play style, so there's really no need to sit here suggesting that your way is somehow the "actual" way to play the game, and everyone else is playing the game wrong.

    I dont mind if some player wanna go with build "X" just cause some dude on youtube says its the best...what a do care is when said player want to make me play "X" build. One of the reasons i dont go to Raids, some clueless player who probably get owned by Spider Queen on AC telling me what to play and how to play, when he probably have no idea what he doing it and just following without thiking everything that metabattle says.
    Never said that the way that I play the game is the right one, just said that players follow the meta without question and anything that is not meta is not accepted...example the berzerker meta, on the beggining on the game, everyone used to say to zerker players "Dead DPS is zero DPS"...the meta arrived and these same players started to kick non zerker players from the groups.

  • Yes, regularly.

    @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Cameron.6450 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    They have acess of the real numbers, they know how many raid and dont...if I remenber, a dev allready said that the raid community is really small(i expect to be like <10%). guess most really dont want to make their own builds and strategies, they basically dont know how to actually play the game, they just copy whatever is the builds and rotations that the speedrunners say its the meta

    It's not difficult to develop meta builds independently. If you have an outcome in mind, the choices in gear/traits are usually pretty clear. What quantify and snow crows (assuming they're your speedrunners) are doing is testing whether one set of good traits is actually better than another set of good traits, saving people time and money. You might enjoy doing your own testing, more power to you, but other people might prefer to save some time, go with something they know is solid, and spend more time fighting. Neither way is more or less valid as a play style, so there's really no need to sit here suggesting that your way is somehow the "actual" way to play the game, and everyone else is playing the game wrong.

    I dont mind if some player wanna go with build "X" just cause some dude on youtube says its the best...what a do care is when said player want to make me play "X" build. One of the reasons i dont go to Raids, some clueless player who probably get owned by Spider Queen on AC telling me what to play and how to play, when he probably have no idea what he doing it and just following without thiking everything that metabattle says.
    Never said that the way that I play the game is the right one, just said that players follow the meta without question and anything that is not meta is not accepted...example the berzerker meta, on the beggining on the game, everyone used to say to zerker players "Dead DPS is zero DPS"...the meta arrived and these same players started to kick non zerker players from the groups.

    Funny how those zerker players completed more content than all the people whining to them. Funny how that works.

    And when dungeons were nerfed? Those people are the only people still running the content regularly. Also funny how that works.

    It's almost like they are more invested -thonk-.

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    @FrostDraco.8306 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Cameron.6450 said:

    @Felipe.1807 said:

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    They have acess of the real numbers, they know how many raid and dont...if I remenber, a dev allready said that the raid community is really small(i expect to be like <10%). guess most really dont want to make their own builds and strategies, they basically dont know how to actually play the game, they just copy whatever is the builds and rotations that the speedrunners say its the meta

    It's not difficult to develop meta builds independently. If you have an outcome in mind, the choices in gear/traits are usually pretty clear. What quantify and snow crows (assuming they're your speedrunners) are doing is testing whether one set of good traits is actually better than another set of good traits, saving people time and money. You might enjoy doing your own testing, more power to you, but other people might prefer to save some time, go with something they know is solid, and spend more time fighting. Neither way is more or less valid as a play style, so there's really no need to sit here suggesting that your way is somehow the "actual" way to play the game, and everyone else is playing the game wrong.

    I dont mind if some player wanna go with build "X" just cause some dude on youtube says its the best...what a do care is when said player want to make me play "X" build. One of the reasons i dont go to Raids, some clueless player who probably get owned by Spider Queen on AC telling me what to play and how to play, when he probably have no idea what he doing it and just following without thiking everything that metabattle says.
    Never said that the way that I play the game is the right one, just said that players follow the meta without question and anything that is not meta is not accepted...example the berzerker meta, on the beggining on the game, everyone used to say to zerker players "Dead DPS is zero DPS"...the meta arrived and these same players started to kick non zerker players from the groups.

    Funny how those zerker players completed more content than all the people whining to them. Funny how that works.

    And when dungeons were nerfed? Those people are the only people still running the content regularly. Also funny how that works.

    It's almost like they are more invested -thonk-.

    I dont get it what you trying to say on the first sentence...I was playing full zerker on the beggining of the game before was cool man lol, where most of the community had you as dead weight, cause they couldnt survive even with tank gear, so someone with full offence in their minds should have even more trouble...I even had someone saying that we needed a Healer lol.

    Dungeon Nerf? You talking about the reward nerf? I honestly cant find groups on the LFG...reason why when I played with my guardian again the whole story, I had to solo it all(also when i found out that they nerfed Arah Story)

    I may be a little dumb(100% sure of that actually), but i have no idea what you trying to say, be more clear please...english is not my native tongue, i have no idea what "thonk" means, not even Google Translator was able to help me lol.

  • Other (State your thought).

    I just haven’t gotten the time to go raid. There are things I want to accomplish outside of raid before going into it, my time is restricted.

  • It helps me get better at the game. Still working on some final bosses and I haven't gotten anywhere in Wing 5 though.

  • Illconceived Was Na.9781Illconceived Was Na.9781 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    As I type,

    • Fewer than 50% say "no not interested" or "other."
    • 21% selected "didn't work out" or "can find a group"
    • 29% selected "regularly" or "sometimes"

    ANet's data can easily count "regularly" and "sometimes" and also "used to but stopped" (not quite the same as "didn't work out"), as well as "repeat instances even after getting credit" (which would measure sellers and trainers).

    ANet can't easily measure "not interested" compared to "can't find a group".

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    Are these the results you were expecting? Do you think the results of this poll (and its comments) are more useful to ANet than their own data or the comments in similar threads?


    My own take: 29% of forum respondents raiding regularly or sometimes sounds like successful niche content.

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  • Ardenwolfe.8590Ardenwolfe.8590 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017
    No, not interested.

    What's with the snark? At the time I typed my post, the 'No, not interested' was at 59%. That's not including the other negative responses. I'm not calling anyone's baby ugly. Please calm down. There's no need to be so triggered over a six-word post.

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  • Nuka Cola.8520Nuka Cola.8520 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

    This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

  • Felipe.1807Felipe.1807 Member ✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    As I type,

    • Fewer than 50% say "no not interested" or "other."
    • 21% selected "didn't work out" or "can find a group"
    • 29% selected "regularly" or "sometimes"

    ANet's data can easily count "regularly" and "sometimes" and also "used to but stopped" (not quite the same as "didn't work out"), as well as "repeat instances even after getting credit" (which would measure sellers and trainers).

    ANet can't easily measure "not interested" compared to "can't find a group".

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Hope ArenaNet is seeing these numbers.

    Are these the results you were expecting? Do you think the results of this poll (and its comments) are more useful to ANet than their own data or the comments in similar threads?


    My own take: 29% of forum members raiding regularly or sometimes sounds like successful niche content.

    So far we have only 155 votes, its to small to even be considered...Anet allready said that is a really small % of the playerbase that actually do Raids, how much is the %? Hard to say, but in the end of the day, dont really matter...Raids are here to stay, and they gonna keep adding more and more content to this kind of game mode....would be cool if this dont mean neglect the other 2/3 of the game, WvW and sPvP who are in a big need of content...PvE itself, Dungeons are completely forgoteen, they even nerfed rewards to force players who like instance content to go to raids...the worst part is that Raids basically go against everything that this game was supposed to be. This game is just a shadow to what it used to be, PvE and PvP wise.

  • Turin.6921Turin.6921 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017
    Yes, regularly.

    @Zoltreez.6435 said:
    As a necromancer player.... What's a Raid ?

    Are you kidding...I cannot even count the times epidemic saved raid runs even on static groups. A optimally played scourge + epi is amazingly useful. Just because it is not top on the benches it does not mean it is not useful and that it cannot do viable DPS on a real run. No actually experienced group would reject a necro if the player knew how to play. It is just that no matter which class you main knowing how to play at least two classes is highly recommended for efficient play.

  • Yes, regularly.

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    What's with the snark? At the time I typed my post, the 'No, not interested' was at 59%. That's not including the other negative responses. I'm not calling anyone's baby ugly. Please calm down. There's no need to be so triggered over a six-word post.

    Nobody really got triggered by your post. You tried to illustrate something that wasn't there with the whole "numbers" thing, that's about it.

    People make mistakes every second.

  • Ardenwolfe.8590Ardenwolfe.8590 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017
    No, not interested.

    Keep in mind, the poll asked for the community's opinion. And as small as the forum community is, it's still just an opinion. There's no need for anyone to go out of their way to be rude about it.

    No longer posting or playing.

  • Yes, regularly.

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

    This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

    And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

  • Nuka Cola.8520Nuka Cola.8520 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FrostDraco.8306 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

    This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

    And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

    2g as a reward for the hardest content in the game. Exciting.

  • Yes, regularly.

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @FrostDraco.8306 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

    This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

    And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

    2g as a reward for the hardest content in the game. Exciting.

    Thats in addition to the 2 liquid gold from the chest.

  • Nuka Cola.8520Nuka Cola.8520 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FrostDraco.8306 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @FrostDraco.8306 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

    This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

    And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

    2g as a reward for the hardest content in the game. Exciting.

    Thats in addition to the 2 liquid gold from the chest.

    Time gated by a week.

  • Yes, regularly.

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @FrostDraco.8306 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @FrostDraco.8306 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

    This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

    And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

    2g as a reward for the hardest content in the game. Exciting.

    Thats in addition to the 2 liquid gold from the chest.

    Time gated by a week.

    In you only do the boss once a week, then its not really relevant talking about rewards for that which you haven't done now is it?

  • Nuka Cola.8520Nuka Cola.8520 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @FrostDraco.8306 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @FrostDraco.8306 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:

    @FrostDraco.8306 said:

    @Nuka Cola.8520 said:
    Nope because the reward system in this game is a joke. When you get box that has another box inside it, you open the box inside the box, and it has two greens in it, why waste your time?

    This applies to the whole of GW2, tho. Joke of a reward system since 2012.

    And this is a statement from ignorance. You are guaranteed 1 exotic and 1 rare from each raid chest each week.

    2g as a reward for the hardest content in the game. Exciting.

    Thats in addition to the 2 liquid gold from the chest.

    Time gated by a week.

    In you only do the boss once a week, then its not really relevant talking about rewards for that which you haven't done now is it?

    And that is another problem. One that is the endgame of gw2. Everything is time gated, you're not allowed to replay the content you enjoy as many time as you'd like.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    Not my game type, so not interested. Don't care how people act as everyone can be an kitten...time is not an issue, just not into that kind of content.

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • STIHL.2489STIHL.2489 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Keep in mind, the poll asked for the community's opinion. And as small as the forum community is, it's still just an opinion. There's no need for anyone to go out of their way to be rude about it.

    I agree with you, it's a small sampling. But keep in mind, this is the community that raised a ruckus that the game needed "more challenge" so for me, to see that only 20% of this community do Raids regularly, really marginalizes the content.

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  • Ardenwolfe.8590Ardenwolfe.8590 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    Preaching to the choir, friend. :)

    No longer posting or playing.

  • Yes, sometimes.

    It's turning into regularly. xD

  • Yes, regularly.

    @Ardenwolfe.8590 said:
    Keep in mind, the poll asked for the community's opinion. And as small as the forum community is, it's still just an opinion. There's no need for anyone to go out of their way to be rude about it.

    I'm kinda glad you edited your original post because it added nothing to the discussion though I have to disagree on the whole opinion argument because numbers are objective, unlike opinions, and that was or is your initial assertion. Hate to repeat myself but nobody is being rude to you or triggered by what you think.

    Regarding raids as a whole for other people I've seen posting:

    They are here to stay and recent dev interaction just shows they will be adding more wings at a faster pace so logically you can tell it isn't dead content because it's getting attention and the metrics they manage probably back their decision, same deal with fractals despite people being mad at the difficulty spike. I play every single game mode so I never understood why people shun one thing or the other but I'm fine with differing approaches. Everyone's different.

  • Ardenwolfe.8590Ardenwolfe.8590 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 31, 2017
    No, not interested.

    Asking me if I 'see' the numbers is not exactly helpful nor tactful either. At the time, when I originally posted my first comment on this thread, over 50% of the people polled said no. The majority still say no. And if I had to guess? I'll bet the majority with ANet's numbers say no too. But again . . . it's only my opinion. Let me leave it at that.

    Have fun raiding.

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  • GDchiaScrub.3241GDchiaScrub.3241 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    Also, player polls shouldn't really be taken as direction. Unless they were magically announced to the whole relevant player-base. Almost forgot to mention it since it was in the OP. Mostly saying this because forum goers will have a negative bias towards complaining to begin with...this is regardless if that sample is "small" or "large." This motivation can't be ignored if you wanted the quantified data to matter for decisions.

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  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    Yes, but not as fanatically now that I got full Legendary Armour on my main.

    Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.

  • CptAurellian.9537CptAurellian.9537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    @STIHL.2489 said:
    I agree with you, it's a small sampling. But keep in mind, this is the community that raised a ruckus that the game needed "more challenge" so for me, to see that only 20% of this community do Raids regularly, really marginalizes the content.

    20% regular participation maginalises the content? Now that's hilarious. In any game with a diverse audience, certain niches have to be carved out, otherwise you lose the players. I'd recommend to ask the same question about sPvP or WvW - I'm confident you will not get stellar numbers for regular participation either.

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  • Shard.4791Shard.4791 Member ✭✭✭

    Yes, regularly. Already voted on my second account so I'm not gonna skew the result by voting a second time.

    It feels like some of the no-people with certain reasons behind that answer could in reality have a good time in raids.

    • Don´t want toxicity? Only do guild raids. If your guild is toxic it´s time to find a better guild.
    • No time to play? Do single bosses that are on LFG or set up something with your guild that fits your playtime. I member rotating players to play in 8-man GvGs back in Gw1. The same can work here with raids because there isn´t much point in killing bosses many times a week other than the fun factor so subbing people that already have the kills is viable.
    • Content is too hard? There´s easy bosses, easy strategies, and easy classes. It´s a matter of finding what works for you.
    • No gold to gear a basic power build? I will personally send you 10 gold to get started.

    Honestly I love the raid community and raids.

  • Yes, regularly.

    I do 2-3 full clears per week, and come up with strategies to improve timers :)

  • Miss Lana.5276Miss Lana.5276 Member ✭✭✭
    No, no group don't want to pug.

    Used to raid regularly, but had to leave a few different groups due to being in a different time zone, and I've lost interest in raiding for the time being.

    Disagreement =/= "negativity"
    Criticism =/= "hate"

  • Exo.2143Exo.2143 Member ✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    Yes, regularly with a guild.

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, no group don't want to pug.

    @Coconut.7082 said:
    Oh look, another raid hate post disguised as an innocent poll.

    maybe there is a reason ;)

  • Shard.4791Shard.4791 Member ✭✭✭

    @sorudo.9054 said:

    @Coconut.7082 said:
    Oh look, another raid hate post disguised as an innocent poll.

    maybe there is a reason ;)

    What is that reason? :wink:

  • STIHL.2489STIHL.2489 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    @CptAurellian.9537 said:

    @STIHL.2489 said:
    I agree with you, it's a small sampling. But keep in mind, this is the community that raised a ruckus that the game needed "more challenge" so for me, to see that only 20% of this community do Raids regularly, really marginalizes the content.

    20% regular participation maginalises the content? Now that's hilarious. In any game with a diverse audience, certain niches have to be carved out, otherwise you lose the players. I'd recommend to ask the same question about sPvP or WvW - I'm confident you will not get stellar numbers for regular participation either.

    Given that this was the vocal community that wanted this and pushed for the implementation of "challenging content", it's pathetic that only 20% of actively use it. This should have been the Go-To community to get the high numbers to justify the content, and yet it's still minimal. Let that sink in, It's minimal among the community of people that wanted it

    On top of that, comparing raids to WvW? laughable, just take a look around this forum, a 5 second glace will show you that the WvW topic has almost twice the Posts of Fractals, Dungeons and Raids Combined, Not to mention that if you take some time and check out the Profession discussions, they are mainly PvP related.

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  • Tails.9372Tails.9372 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, no group don't want to pug.

    For me it's a mixture between 4.) and 5.). I'm not interested in the raids themselves but I would like to have some of the stuff you can get out of them. I'd probably do them if my frends were interested in doing them but I'm not interested in PUGs, there's just too much cancer going around.

  • CptAurellian.9537CptAurellian.9537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    @STIHL.2489 said:

    @CptAurellian.9537 said:

    @STIHL.2489 said:
    I agree with you, it's a small sampling. But keep in mind, this is the community that raised a ruckus that the game needed "more challenge" so for me, to see that only 20% of this community do Raids regularly, really marginalizes the content.

    20% regular participation maginalises the content? Now that's hilarious. In any game with a diverse audience, certain niches have to be carved out, otherwise you lose the players. I'd recommend to ask the same question about sPvP or WvW - I'm confident you will not get stellar numbers for regular participation either.

    Given that this was the vocal community that wanted this and pushed for the implementation of "challenging content", it's pathetic that only 20% of actively use it. This should have been the Go-To community to get the high numbers to justify the content, and yet it's still minimal. Let that sink in, It's minimal among the community of people that wanted it

    On top of that, comparing raids to WvW? laughable, just take a look around this forum, a 5 second glace will show you that the WvW topic has almost twice the Posts of Fractals, Dungeons and Raids Combined, Not to mention that if you take some time and check out the Profession discussions, they are mainly PvP related.

    Hummmmmmmmm

    Starting off to be a great new year.

    Indeed an amusing start into the new year. PvP-related stuff generates more forum activity than PvE-related content, what a surprise. But, if you are so convinced that sPvP and WvW have such a giant community of regulars, please feel free to provide any hard (as hard as non-ANet-internal metrics can get) metric to back it up. Last time I checked gw2efficiency, neither looked as if it exceeded 30% (and that was with very lenient cutoffs).

    Praise delta!

  • STIHL.2489STIHL.2489 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    @CptAurellian.9537 said:

    @STIHL.2489 said:

    @CptAurellian.9537 said:

    @STIHL.2489 said:
    I agree with you, it's a small sampling. But keep in mind, this is the community that raised a ruckus that the game needed "more challenge" so for me, to see that only 20% of this community do Raids regularly, really marginalizes the content.

    20% regular participation maginalises the content? Now that's hilarious. In any game with a diverse audience, certain niches have to be carved out, otherwise you lose the players. I'd recommend to ask the same question about sPvP or WvW - I'm confident you will not get stellar numbers for regular participation either.

    Given that this was the vocal community that wanted this and pushed for the implementation of "challenging content", it's pathetic that only 20% of actively use it. This should have been the Go-To community to get the high numbers to justify the content, and yet it's still minimal. Let that sink in, It's minimal among the community of people that wanted it

    On top of that, comparing raids to WvW? laughable, just take a look around this forum, a 5 second glace will show you that the WvW topic has almost twice the Posts of Fractals, Dungeons and Raids Combined, Not to mention that if you take some time and check out the Profession discussions, they are mainly PvP related.

    Hummmmmmmmm

    Starting off to be a great new year.

    Indeed an amusing start into the new year. PvP-related stuff generates more forum activity than PvE-related content, what a surprise. But, if you are so convinced that sPvP and WvW have such a giant community of regulars, please feel free to provide any hard (as hard as non-ANet-internal metrics can get) metric to back it up. Last time I checked gw2efficiency, neither looked as if it exceeded 30% (and that was with very lenient cutoffs).

    How did you check who does WvW on gw2efficiency?

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  • Yes, regularly.

    @STIHL.2489 said:

    On top of that, comparing raids to WvW? laughable, just take a look around this forum, a 5 second glace will show you that the WvW topic has almost twice the Posts of Fractals, Dungeons and Raids Combined, Not to mention that if you take some time and check out the Profession discussions, they are mainly PvP related.

    Due to the competitive nature of wvw and pvp they generate lot of balance related complaints to the forums. I took a 5 second glance at pvp section and top 20 topics were all complaining about something. Raids don't generate that much complaints, or maybe they do but those complaints are not posted to that section of the forum.

  • CptAurellian.9537CptAurellian.9537 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, regularly.

    https://gw2efficiency.com/account/statistics/values.summary.value
    There's obviously no precise way to determine activity, but stuff like rank, testimonies of heroics, etc. should at least give a rough impression. They are all just proxies and all have their own limitations, but I'm not aware of a better database that's available to us.

    Praise delta!

  • Klipso.8653Klipso.8653 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, sometimes.

    WvW is the true endgame, and should be treated as such. Out of everything it has the most replayability

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  • GDchiaScrub.3241GDchiaScrub.3241 Member ✭✭✭✭
    No, not interested.

    @Klipso.8653 said:
    WvW is the true endgame, and should be treated as such. Out of everything it has the most replayability

    I can confirm. When they flip your unmanned tower you can come back and ktrain it back down then leave it unmanned again.

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  • STIHL.2489STIHL.2489 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Other (State your thought).

    @CptAurellian.9537 said:
    https://gw2efficiency.com/account/statistics/values.summary.value
    There's obviously no precise way to determine activity, but stuff like rank, testimonies of heroics, etc. should at least give a rough impression. They are all just proxies and all have their own limitations, but I'm not aware of a better database that's available to us.

    Wow.. Ok.. this was kinda cool!

    Did you know.. that among 50% of the total population, the average WvW rank is 42.
    and the Average number of Mag shards is 0.

    Draw whatever you want from that.

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