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  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    Look, it's not an issue of swimsuits being too revealing. It isn't a case of it being inappropriate. It's a case of, "does this make sense for the game?". And speaking in terms of how characters should look, then the answer to that question is no.

    I personally believe in limiting the creative choices of players. I don't want to be rude, but frankly, many of you make truly terrible fashion decisions. This is already a huge problem with inappropriate style items in game. Things like pretty much any given SAB skin. Things like the Starbound griffon. Tacky garbage which hurts the theme and style of the world and only makes it feel more "game-y". Honestly those things are actually worse than swimsuits.

    But any tool that will allow players to make ugly, immersion breaking characters gets a no from me.

    We're way past that argument being valid though. Revealing clothes like what is propose do would be less intrusive than many items already in the game. Ultimately, everything does have a lore explanation, however weak.

    I'd rather keep going.. wherever the wind takes us

  • @Fenom.9457 said:

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    Look, it's not an issue of swimsuits being too revealing. It isn't a case of it being inappropriate. It's a case of, "does this make sense for the game?". And speaking in terms of how characters should look, then the answer to that question is no.

    I personally believe in limiting the creative choices of players. I don't want to be rude, but frankly, many of you make truly terrible fashion decisions. This is already a huge problem with inappropriate style items in game. Things like pretty much any given SAB skin. Things like the Starbound griffon. Tacky garbage which hurts the theme and style of the world and only makes it feel more "game-y". Honestly those things are actually worse than swimsuits.

    But any tool that will allow players to make ugly, immersion breaking characters gets a no from me.

    We're way past that argument being valid though. Revealing clothes like what is propose do would be less intrusive than many items already in the game. Ultimately, everything does have a lore explanation, however weak.

    I conceded they were less intrusive. But they are still intrusive. Just because some items are already visually offensive, I don't like to think there's no point protesting the addition of more.

    Honestly items like this cheapen the aesthetic of the game. They're an insult to the artists who made great items and environments for the game's world.

  • If Anet wants to take more of mine or others money in vast quantity's from this kind of fun
    cosmetic's bonus to use for making more story content and extending the life of the game.

    That's a great thing, I say Go for it!

  • @bara yaoi.3824 said:
    Virtually every other MMO out there has at least one outfit that is revealing for both female and males, or at least the option to do so without having to sacrifice stats. But in GW2, you HAVE to sacrifice stats. Why?

    TL;DR : While it would be great to have, to avoid legal issues and fan controversy, technical issues have to be resolved first, as of such, no manger has wanted to champion/allow for this desire to happen.

    Probably because no manager or designer wants to deal with "backlash" from players concerning Charr and Asura.
    http://massivelyop.com/2016/06/15/guild-wars-2-is-giving-female-charr-and-asura-precursor-breast-armor/

    Also, a new model would have to be created for them, let alone the "naked" model for the others would have to be update to have dyable channels.

    When it comes right down to it, no manager has wanted to champion suits that players have wanted for a long time. Let alone they'd have to do something such that a player couldn't dye the "underware" a flesh tone to appear naked. That can/will get Anet into trouble with the FCC.
    And while I hope that Asura would not, doing such with the smaller race could get Anet into trouble again with the FCC. Back when Turbine was under control of Dungeons and Dragon's online, they had to remove an NPC called Scarlet the Harlot; a halfling, not a human, prostitute. FCC claimed it was to similar to child prostitution even though it was a fantasy setting and halflings were a race.

  • @TwilightSoul.9048 said:
    While I don't mind revealing clothes I wouldn't want to see people running around in Speedos and Bikinis. There's a difference between a sorcerer who doesn't need armor and thus wears comfortable (sometimes revealing) clothes and someone who runs around in his underwear. One is just beeing practical and the other is beeing ridiculous.

    One of my ex's wore her underware out to the beach. Why? looked better and it was more covering than bikinis. Just looking, you'd be very hard pressed to tell the difference.

    So... who is being ridiculous? The caster going into fights without protection, or my ex because she was actually more clothed?

    Funny thing about cultural prospectives, they can shape and cloud all sorts of judgements in manners that are odd to others.

  • Lambent.6375Lambent.6375 Member ✭✭✭

    @OneYenShort.3189 said:

    @bara yaoi.3824 said:
    Virtually every other MMO out there has at least one outfit that is revealing for both female and males, or at least the option to do so without having to sacrifice stats. But in GW2, you HAVE to sacrifice stats. Why?

    TL;DR : While it would be great to have, to avoid legal issues and fan controversy, technical issues have to be resolved first, as of such, no manger has wanted to champion/allow for this desire to happen.

    Probably because no manager or designer wants to deal with "backlash" from players concerning Charr and Asura.
    http://massivelyop.com/2016/06/15/guild-wars-2-is-giving-female-charr-and-asura-precursor-breast-armor/

    Also, a new model would have to be created for them, let alone the "naked" model for the others would have to be update to have dyable channels.

    When it comes right down to it, no manager has wanted to champion suits that players have wanted for a long time. Let alone they'd have to do something such that a player couldn't dye the "underware" a flesh tone to appear naked. That can/will get Anet into trouble with the FCC.
    And while I hope that Asura would not, doing such with the smaller race could get Anet into trouble again with the FCC. Back when Turbine was under control of Dungeons and Dragon's online, they had to remove an NPC called Scarlet the Harlot; a halfling, not a human, prostitute. FCC claimed it was to similar to child prostitution even though it was a fantasy setting and halflings were a race.

    Have you seen those things in Terra Online? Forgot what they were called, but they turned me away from Terra.

    If Terra online hasn't gotten in trouble because of those things, asura probably wouldn't even make a list.

    @FOX.3582 said:
    A freaking chair. Woah. I personally can't wait to buy a gem store CHAIR, so all my characters can SIT around in Tyria while other players see me, SITTING there, looking like a [email protected] ...

  • @Mewcifer.5198 said:
    That article is ridiculous and not even remotely worth considering. No one is asking to give charr and asura breasts. And even if clothing has a bikini style cut, wearing said clothing does not give breasts. I could put my swimtop on a dog, wouldn't give the dog breasts.

    Then I advise you to pay closer attention to clothing skins on female characters. Some of them WILL enhance the chest more and some lessen the chest. So under Anet standards, sticking your dog into a bikini could give it an enhancement.
    If you think even for a moment that I posted that in regards to giving characters breasts in swim suits, you need to take a step away and pull your mind from the gutter because your backlash on that is the exact type of reaction managers want to avoid.

    @Mewcifer.5198 said:
    As for the "potential legal issues". Comparing a halfling to an asura seems a little unfair. A halfling at least looks human. Asura are definitely NOT human. And even if this were a real concern, the asura outfit could simply cover a little more. Not to mention the halfling in question had questionable dialog and was implied prostitution, so the issue was not the clothing.

    shrugs When it comes to the FCC consider who is controlling it now. FCC is going to do what the FCC is going to do no matter what we we consider logical or not.

  • Bikini is not allowed in gw2 for fcc will call in the troops. I think its very dubble standard i wear bikini on beaches but in games if a woman wears revealing its wrong but if a male character is in revealing amor its fine

  • @OneYenShort.3189 said:

    Probably because no manager or designer wants to deal with "backlash" from players concerning Charr and Asura.
    http://massivelyop.com/2016/06/15/guild-wars-2-is-giving-female-charr-and-asura-precursor-breast-armor/

    That article is ridiculous. There is always going to be a very tiny but very loud minority complaining about every little thing. Listening to them at the expense of what the vast majority wants is a dangerous road to go down.

    Let alone they'd have to do something such that a player couldn't dye the "underware" a flesh tone to appear naked. That can/will get Anet into trouble with the FCC.

    Very legit point. I have faith it could be worked around but it does complicate things a bit. Shouldn't be too hard to make a piece unable to be dyed, though. Or just stand out in such a way that it couldn't possibly be mistaken for skin regardless of color matching.

    And while I hope that Asura would not, doing such with the smaller race could get Anet into trouble again with the FCC. Back when Turbine was under control of Dungeons and Dragon's online, they had to remove an NPC called Scarlet the Harlot; a halfling, not a human, prostitute. FCC claimed it was to similar to child prostitution even though it was a fantasy setting and halflings were a race.

    Elin in Tera are creepy and push the absolute limit. Maybe because the game is Korean they get away with it but I still imagine the exact rules apply to everything released in a particular country. The halfling issue also dealt with prostitution themes more than an issue with fashion. Also, Asura do show a risky amount of skin in a couple of armor pieces, but they're weird little rodent things with different anatomy than humans so it doesn't really matter. If this is okay,https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Tribal_armor_asura_female_front.jpg, I'm sure a swimsuit is too.

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You’d have a stronger case for bestiality than child kitten with the Asura, lol. What a silly argument to make.

    Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.

  • @Oglaf.1074 said:
    You’d have a stronger case for bestiality than child kitten with the Asura, lol. What a silly argument to make.

    I'm not making any case for or against. I mentioned it solely as a possible issue given the behavior that FCC has shown in the past.

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @OneYenShort.3189 said:

    @Oglaf.1074 said:
    You’d have a stronger case for bestiality than child kitten with the Asura, lol. What a silly argument to make.

    I'm not making any case for or against. I mentioned it solely as a possible issue given the behavior that FCC has shown in the past.

    Why don't we get the skins before worrying about it

    I'd rather keep going.. wherever the wind takes us

  • Oglaf.1074Oglaf.1074 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Look, both Kas and Faren have appeared wearing these. The “FCC argument” is invalid even before you consider that they have nothing to do with vidja gajms!

    Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Why exclude thongs? In some cultures/societies, they are perfectly acceptable as swimwear.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Thelgar.7214Thelgar.7214 Member ✭✭✭

    Charr speedos and bikinis would require too much waxing. The pain...

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kharmin.7683 said:
    Why exclude thongs? In some cultures/societies, they are perfectly acceptable as swimwear.

    I honestly don't know any sufficient words to express the level of support for this idea

    I'd rather keep going.. wherever the wind takes us

  • Leo G.4501Leo G.4501 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Thelgar.7214 said:
    Charr speedos and bikinis would require too much waxing. The pain...

  • Thelgar.7214Thelgar.7214 Member ✭✭✭

    @Leo G.4501 said:

    @Thelgar.7214 said:
    Charr speedos and bikinis would require too much waxing. The pain...

    Lord Furren

  • Ardid.7203Ardid.7203 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Disgustingly perfect. Fully approve.

  • Arkham Creed.7358Arkham Creed.7358 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2018

    I'm just sitting here scratching my head at this. For the first part, have you never heard of transmutation charges? You can use them to make any armor look like any other armor, thus getting you the look you want without sacrificing stats. So that entire argument is just....completely and utterly objectively wrong. As far as sexy armor; tons of it. It is just actually SEXY, not OBJECTIFIED. There is a difference. But between the swimsuit like Masquerade light armor to the barely there gladiator styled Pit Fighter heavy armor (to say nothing of the "underboob assassin" human cultural armor) there are plenty of options for showing off and looking sexy. I play a male norn revenant as my main, so heavy armor, and he's never running without an exposed six-pack or pecks. And my female norn ranger is wearing what I consider the sexiest armor in the entire game (norn T3 cultural).

  • Arkham Creed.7358Arkham Creed.7358 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 7, 2018
  • I'm waiting for the loin cloth leg skin, so I can make a He-Man/Conan-esque character.

  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So long as Anet know the difference between "undies" and "togs", I don't mind. :bleep_bloop:

  • Erulogos.2591Erulogos.2591 Member ✭✭✭

    @Endless Soul.5178 said:

    Yes, like our happiness, including our desire for speedos and bikinis. Very important things to consider.

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    Yeah, like making even MORE mount skins! 2000 gems each.

    This is the bizarre thing. We've already seen various forms of swimwear in the game. All of the assets are there. All anet needs to do is package the assets in the gem store then reap the profits.

    Solution: Mounts -in- bikinis! Speedo Raptor! Thong Jackal! Burkini Bunny!

  • KStudios.2850KStudios.2850 Member ✭✭
    edited May 17, 2018

    There has occasionally been preview codes for Kasmeer’s swimwear, which means it’s data is already in the game. And has been since a few months post release of the Southsun Cove content (years ago). But for whatever reason, Anet is refusing to release them. Which is silly, imo. They stand to make a metric s**t-ton of money if they released them as a gemstore item. Even if they packaged them as another $30 bundle item I’d still buy them for my two accounts

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    but what do we wanna see, there are so many design possibilities that just adding one would be redundant.
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/67/f2/98/67f2982c68672cc191b4518814536634--bikini-set-sexy-bikini.jpg
    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1DTn3RXXXXXa1XFXXq6xXFXXX1/2017-Sexy-Vintage-Red-Women-Bathing-Suit-Beach-Black-High-Cut-Swimwear-Women-One-Piece-Swimsuit.jpg
    https://www.bathing-suits.info/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/10-Sexy-Harley-Quinn-Bathing-Suits.jpg

    and some cute ones :3
    http://365coolkids.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Kids-Girls-Swimwear-Dots-Swimming-Suits-Dress-Cap-Children-Swimsuit-Princess-Beach-Bathing-Clothing-Free-Drop-12.jpg_350x350-12.jpg
    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB15eLTIXXXXXXqXVXXq6xXFXXX2/Free-Shipping-Pink-Leopard-Stripes-Girls-Bikinis-Little-Girls-Swimwear-Children-Bikini-Cap-Shorts-And-Top.jpg
    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1._CvHpXXXXbBaXXXq6xXFXXX4/In-2015-the-new-children-swimwear-cartoon-girls-one-piece-swimsuit-Free-shipping.jpg_640x640.jpg

    male:
    https://image.dhgate.com/0x0/f2/albu/g1/M00/35/43/rBVaGVbN8w6ATzFJAAENf537uuE331.jpg
    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1B3qfLXXXXXaHXVXXq6xXFXXXt/2017-Verano-El-stico-Estilo-Hombres-Boxers-Briefs-traje-de-Ba-o-Playa-de-Ba-o.jpg_640x640.jpg
    https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB13HdaKFXXXXc_XpXXq6xXFXXX4/DESMIIT-Men-s-swimwear-swimming-trunks-mens-sexy-Swimsuit-swim-trunk-bathing-briefs-male-for-men.jpg_640x640.jpg
    https://www.dhresource.com/0x0s/f2-albu-g1-M01-4D-71-rBVaGFbN3CCAfR5fAAD4f1sqmUw674.jpg/2016-hot-sexy-swimwear-men-striped-swimming.jpg

    sooo......choose.

    the truth is harsh, my opinions are too.

  • Super Hayes.6890Super Hayes.6890 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Just no. I hope this request never gains traction with the devs. For every player that actually wants this for cosmetic preferences there will be ten others that use it in an offensive way. There are already outfits and armors that are "seductive" enough. The game absolutely does not need bikinis and speedos.

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  • Brother.1504Brother.1504 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If Anet allowed lots more “sexy” near naked fashions, especially ones that players could dye, Anet would have to hire 20 more devs just to deal with reports for inappropriate behaviour. This is the internet’s, don’t pretend the boundaries of good taste are not challenged every single day.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'll just reverse the thread's title: speedo or bikini no still

    And I hope it remains "no"

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Hybarf Tics.2048Hybarf Tics.2048 Member ✭✭✭

    You wanna go swimming get your underwear, no one will notice. If bathing suit were an outfit players would wear them everywhere. However what would not be a waste of time for Anet would be diving suits for water combat. One awesome outfit for me that I would pay for would be Paul Muad'Dib's desert outfit.
    History is written in the depth of the Unending ocean of Tyria. :o

  • starlinvf.1358starlinvf.1358 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 17, 2018

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    Just no. I hope this request never gains traction with the devs. For every player that actually wants this for cosmetic preferences there will be ten others that use it in an offensive way. There are already outfits and armors that are "seductive" enough. The game absolutely does not need bikinis and speedos.

    I'll have you know that the Lord Faren "Worldly Traveler" fashion line is not only stylish, but also profoundly tasteful. Whether it be enjoying a day at the beach, prowling the jungle to protect the innocent from dangerous prey, or celebrating Winter festivities, no one of class or respectable standing would ever be so disrespectful and gutter minded to suggest Lord Faren's collection to be "seductive" or "indecent". After all.... no self respecting hero would stoop to such crass means, when a sparkling personality, boundless confidence, and courageous action is more then enough to earn the admiration of the people, and the adoration of a potential companion.

  • Laila Lightness.8742Laila Lightness.8742 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ardid.7203 said:

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    Just no. I hope this request never gains traction with the devs. For every player that actually wants this for cosmetic preferences there will be ten others that use it in an offensive way. There are already outfits and armors that are "seductive" enough. The game absolutely does not need bikinis and speedos.

    Frankly, I don't believe anyone can be offended by a swimsuit unless they chose to.
    I'm just not going to pick offense over fun.
    I refuse to live in fear!
    Bring on the swimwear!

    Sorry but there is people who are offended

  • Stalkingwolf.6035Stalkingwolf.6035 Member ✭✭✭

    yes and we need maiden costumes like in Tera .... or maybe not.

    He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster

  • Laila Lightness.8742Laila Lightness.8742 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zeivu.3615 said:

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:

    @Ardid.7203 said:

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    Just no. I hope this request never gains traction with the devs. For every player that actually wants this for cosmetic preferences there will be ten others that use it in an offensive way. There are already outfits and armors that are "seductive" enough. The game absolutely does not need bikinis and speedos.

    Frankly, I don't believe anyone can be offended by a swimsuit unless they chose to.
    I'm just not going to pick offense over fun.
    I refuse to live in fear!
    Bring on the swimwear!

    Sorry but there is people who are offended

    By that logic, I could say your comment 'offended me' and therefore, you have no right to post because you 'offended me'. If anyone is genuinely offended by a pixel doll wearing a bikini on a video game, I am sorry (not really sorry) but the internet is not for you. The 'rabbit hole' goes insanely deep on the webs and the offense is better reserved for other things.

    I am not offended but some in this thread but i dont really think this would happend sadly
    If anyone says its unimmersive too have bikinis so is it also unimmersive to wear heavy plate amor and swim in it but i have low expectatuons for this.

  • @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    Just no. I hope this request never gains traction with the devs. For every player that actually wants this for cosmetic preferences there will be ten others that use it in an offensive way. There are already outfits and armors that are "seductive" enough. The game absolutely does not need bikinis and speedos.

    How would a swimsuit be used in an offensive way?

    Well, I suppose you could strangle someone with one if you really wanted to. Or you could throw it at them to provide a distraction from your actual attack.

  • DirtyDan.4759DirtyDan.4759 Member ✭✭✭
    edited May 19, 2018

    You know there are actual images of half (or even fully) naked people on the internet, right? You might enjoy the game Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Super Hayes.6890 said:
    Just no. I hope this request never gains traction with the devs. For every player that actually wants this for cosmetic preferences there will be ten others that use it in an offensive way. There are already outfits and armors that are "seductive" enough. The game absolutely does not need bikinis and speedos.

    if you can find me any clothing that is even remotely "seductive"in this game i applaud you.

    the truth is harsh, my opinions are too.

  • CptAurellian.9537CptAurellian.9537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:
    Personally, I plan to take full advantage of that time. The first thing that I'll do when speedos come out is run around on my man Jaheem in them.

    Looks scary. Now imagine that one in Borat's mankini ...

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  • Meestercat.2748Meestercat.2748 Member ✭✭✭

    Clearly the answer is Victorian era swimwear.

    "I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anyone tell you different." ~ Kurt Vonnegut Jr.

  • joneirikb.7506joneirikb.7506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MithranArkanere.8957 said:
    Swimwear should not be outfits.

    I am totally all for having swimwear customization, but it should be its own thing. And before we can have that, we need more places where we go into swimwear mode to justify its existence.
    Right now we have only two situations in which we go into "swimwear mode": Diving goggles, and a beach in Southsun.

    So, to have actual reasons to be able to customize our character swimwear/underwear we need more places where it is used:

    • More water springs and hot springs, like cascades in Dry Top, Zelechor Hot Springs, Dragon's Teeth Hot Springs, southsun hot springs, etc.
    • More beaches and beach-side resorts would put players in swimwear mode, including the beach and beach-side bar in LA, maybe refurbish some less visited spots in each city as public bathhouses.
    • More activities should use swimwear mode, specially those in sunny beaches like Crab Toss and Sotuhsun Survival (a new item would be added "armor" that protects against one hit, while wearing the armor you go back to your usual attire, those without armor would be in swimwear, like how Arthur loses his armor in Ghosts 'n Goblins.)
    • More open world activities other than Diving goggles would put players in swimwear mode, for example, a new Fishing mastery would be introduced, and there would be two ways to fish: fishing nodes that start a fishing minigames, and diving fishing ranges where players can kill fishes until they complete a quota and earn a daily chest with fishing rewards. When entering the fishing diving areas, players would go into swimwear mode.

    Then we could have all sorts of swimwear that is customized in a new slot in the outfit panel.

    Also, swimwear, even the default underwear, would become dyable.

    This would be a good way to implement it, creates zones for it where it makes sense. And also create more "social zones" around in maps. Great idea, +1.

    I'm against the typical bikini outfit/armor skins, because I just honestly think it looks to dumb to watch a character in bikini/speedo charge into 20 mordrem. I already have trouble with that with all the silly skins and stuff we got already, but that one would just take it to another step, and I'd just have to disable other peoples looks entirely by setting everyone to basic skins.

    If they where to add bikini/speedo as an outfit/armor skin, I demand they also give me the option to override how everyone looks locally on my machine (without having to replace everyone with faceless generic characters without gender)

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