Should duoq return for 1600+? — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Should duoq return for 1600+?

BeLZedaR.4790BeLZedaR.4790 Member ✭✭✭
edited February 15, 2018 in PVP

This is not a discussion about 5 man queue so don’t make it one.
Do you think the option to duo should come back? Personally not sure yet, convince me xD

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Should duoq return for 1600+? 125 votes

Keep soloq
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Return duoq
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Keep soloq only if... (explain prequesites)
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Kheldorn.5123Acandis.3250 2 votes
Return duoq only if... (explain prequesites)
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Comments

  • Return duoq

    Theres no reason to keep SoloQ considering wintrading and match-manipulation is as rampant as it currently is. There is no competition left on the ladder and most matches comes down to comp rather than player mmr anyway.

    Considering people in the top 25s lose 20-30 mmr in a game, the mmr fluctuates way too much in order for people to keep a steady; 1800, or whatever. People are still getting put in games with people entire divisions below and above eachothers skill-level. Especially at off-hours. Meaning adding DuoQ would literally only speed up the process in which you get games.
    I would however want to see matchmaking mirror builds >AND NOT CLASSES<. Meaning, a Core Hammer Guardian should not mean that the enemy team gets a Firebrand. Much like a Druid means the other team gets a Core Ranger. They do not cover the same roles and a team with Druid / Firebrand vs a team with Core Guard / Soulbeast are clearly advantagous.

    It's easier to flex when in a DuoQ scenario aswell, because most of the time you know what your partner can play.

  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭
    Keep soloq

    No, it will just ruin the competition. It's annoying to deal with the monkeys you tend to get on your team, but at least it's the same for everyone. DuoQ is so much of advantage that it basically makes solo Q impossible if you care about your placement. There is no way top tier duoqers somehow result in a balanced match. Either they snowball it or they get paired with silver players to make up for the advantage.

    "When you say it's gonna happen "now"
    When exactly do you mean?
    See I've already waited too long
    And all my hope is gone"
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  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2018
    Return duoq only if... (explain prequesites)

    Return duoq with permaban of wintraders ? Sol--t ... Siz--r ...etc :'D

  • Sorem.9157Sorem.9157 Member ✭✭✭
    Keep soloq

    Even if you are not win trading, the advantage on duo queueing is so much at high tiers that it becomes mandatory if you wanna compete.

    No thanks. I'd rather not be able to than to be forced to.

  • BeepBoopBop.5403BeepBoopBop.5403 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2018
    Return duoq

    You people that desperately want solo q only for "competitive fairness" or something, you do realize that this policy has helped kill the game at higher levels right? What's the point of it all if the game is not even fun (due to balance and mechanics, separate topic) and I'm also forced to not play with friends? I go in between being able to queue duo and not all the time; when I'm solo only I start "practicing" side classes so I learn something new but at the same time hopefully tank just enough to duo again.

    I don't care about rating and rank, it's all kitten in this meaningless game. Notice how rank 1 MMR falls more and more every season, the people at the top are done because there's no fun to be had there due to win traders and everything else wrong with ranked. Solo queue only is the extra fun cherry on top.

  • Devilman.1532Devilman.1532 Member ✭✭✭

    of course it should duh really stupid decision to remove it in the first place as it drove even more players away from a mode that already has a very low population.

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There is no option for "Make ranked a 5-man team only thing and all other PvP is unranked and focuses on fun and rewarding players' time."

  • MyPuppy.8970MyPuppy.8970 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Return duoq only if... (explain prequesites)

    Split solo/team. I don't care if team queue have to wait 1h to get a fair matchup.

  • BeLZedaR.4790BeLZedaR.4790 Member ✭✭✭

    @pah.4931 said:
    There is no option for "Make ranked a 5-man team only thing and all other PvP is unranked and focuses on fun and rewarding players' time."

    @BeLZedaR.4790 said:
    This is not a discussion about 5 man queue so don’t make it one.

    Unyielding Legend
    Make condi rev great again!
    Say no to braindead high reward builds

  • pah.4931pah.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @BeLZedaR.4790 said:

    @pah.4931 said:
    There is no option for "Make ranked a 5-man team only thing and all other PvP is unranked and focuses on fun and rewarding players' time."

    @BeLZedaR.4790 said:
    This is not a discussion about 5 man queue so don’t make it one.

    But it's an incomplete poll. Solo-queue, with any sort of "ranked" system, is garbage ... to make a legit poll, you need to have all the options possible. And since you don't have "remove solo-q ranked completely" ... I had to voice my choice :D

  • BeLZedaR.4790BeLZedaR.4790 Member ✭✭✭

    @pah.4931 said:

    @BeLZedaR.4790 said:

    @pah.4931 said:
    There is no option for "Make ranked a 5-man team only thing and all other PvP is unranked and focuses on fun and rewarding players' time."

    @BeLZedaR.4790 said:
    This is not a discussion about 5 man queue so don’t make it one.

    But it's an incomplete poll. Solo-queue, with any sort of "ranked" system, is garbage ... to make a legit poll, you need to have all the options possible. And since you don't have "remove solo-q ranked completely" ... I had to voice my choice :D

    This poll is not about reverting duo or solo completely. It’s only about the restriction for plat 2 or higher to only soloq that came with s9.

    Unyielding Legend
    Make condi rev great again!
    Say no to braindead high reward builds

  • Return duoq

    It's not a perfect idea, but it's worth mentioning that you could split solo/duo mmr, then have separate leaderboards for each while keeping all the players in the same solo/duo queue for ranked. Alternatively solo queue players could receive slightly more mmr per win and lose slightly less mmr per loss compared to duo's, evening the playing field between soloq's and duoq's. Removing DuoQ entirely above 1600 just kills the game at higher tiers.

  • Stand The Wall.6987Stand The Wall.6987 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2018
    Return duoq only if... (explain prequesites)

    only if the cheaters/manipulators are dealt with, and the mm is more accurate for higher level players (matching 2 good duos against one another etc.). to deal with manipulation perhaps mail/whisper could be disabled during a match, afk'ing (this includes auto running or some kind of macro setup) gets you kicked and replaced with someone else pronto. ofc the guy could just go aa on point and die constantly, nothing to do about that except have active dev response (if someone is plat or higher and they do this, they are definitely throwing the match).

    might be a cool idea for, say.... plat 1 and higher to allow 5 mans. most of the ppl that complained about 5 mans being too op wouldn't likely make it that high in mmr anyways. would result in higher wait times ofc, but I'm thinking some people wont care. its better to have an option open that doesn't hurt the system directly then to limit possibilities which result in less participation over time imo.

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  • Return duoq

    While what I want is 5 man queue, if duo q at 1600 came back, I'd probably start playing ranked again. It's not worth my time to grind ranked solo q and not enjoy a minute of it. An MMO where you don't play with friends is basically the worst idea.

  • Keep soloq

    You have 4 ATs a day to play with friends more or less competitively; and the pvp team is working on more iirc. No need to make the competition in this game mod even more about connections again imo.

  • Exedore.6320Exedore.6320 Member ✭✭✭
    Return duoq

    I'm curious about how many people who vote to keep solo queue have ever been subject to the 1600+ rating restriction.

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Return duoq

    Anything with frans are funner

  • Itz Jay.8941Itz Jay.8941 Member ✭✭✭
    Return duoq

    Yeah I think duo q is more healthy for the game. It's an MMORPG, it's not supposed to be played solo even more so conquest as a game mode is designed around coordinating. Sure if you solo q you can say duo's have an advantage but you're either going to get one on your team or on the enemy team or a combination of both, so it's still as RNG as solo q. Then you have the argument that it allows the highest tier players to stomp more easily but again you have that equal opportunity to team up and stomp with a buddy. Thinking that having solo q is going to make conquest more fair or competitive is just outlandish. Thinking it's going to stop top tier players getting number one is outlandish, misha and sind have both shown they can top the leaderboard solo q. In reality solo q drives competition away because the competition understands the game is about working together.

  • Bugabuga.9721Bugabuga.9721 Member ✭✭✭
    Keep soloq

    It'd be "more fun" at the expense of other players. Those who don't have a buddy on discord will lose harder. I wouldn't mind if there was a separate queue for those teams/semi-teams. Just don't try to smush together solo players and teams. Or admit that the only reason it's "fun" is that you mow down panicking uncoordinated pugs while chatting on discord.

  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭
    Keep soloq

    @Exedore.6320 said:
    I'm curious about how many people who vote to keep solo queue have ever been subject to the 1600+ rating restriction.

    I am and it makes quite a difference for me. I queued ~90% solo even before the change and often after PT, the result being that when I faced a top duo with 4 zombies in my team I knew from the start it's a loss, while now the zombies are at least equally spread. It's hard to compare rankings due to a lack of enthusiasm for the ladder among many top PvPers (even before the solo/duo change) and wintrading towards the end of the season, but I'd say I probably gained about 100 ranks from the change (from rank 100-200 to rank 20-50).

    "When you say it's gonna happen "now"
    When exactly do you mean?
    See I've already waited too long
    And all my hope is gone"
    The Smiths about mAT return and PvP content

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Return duoq

    This is a team based game....i dont get why people want to play by them selfs all the time...this is the worst community of any game i ever played...sry to say that but its true

  • JayAction.9056JayAction.9056 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2018
    Keep soloq

    @Exedore.6320 said:
    I'm curious about how many people who vote to keep solo queue have ever been subject to the 1600+ rating restriction.

    I don't think anybody that is above 1600 wants duo q to come back. Think about that for a second.

    I doubt most people even close to 1600 want duo q back.

  • deShinigami.2387deShinigami.2387 Member ✭✭
    edited February 16, 2018
    Return duoq

    @Falan.1839 said:

    @Exedore.6320 said:
    I'm curious about how many people who vote to keep solo queue have ever been subject to the 1600+ rating restriction.

    I am and it makes quite a difference for me. I queued ~90% solo even before the change and often after PT, the result being that when I faced a top duo with 4 zombies in my team I knew from the start it's a loss, while now the zombies are at least equally spread. It's hard to compare rankings due to a lack of enthusiasm for the ladder among many top PvPers (even before the solo/duo change) and wintrading towards the end of the season, but I'd say I probably gained about 100 ranks from the change (from rank 100-200 to rank 20-50).

    Pretty sure you gained rank because you either improved or more likely, people stopped playing.

    The whole argument "I don't have friends to play with, and thus people with friends shouldn't be allowed to play with them either" is getting old.

    Edit: Its clear @ArenaNet doesn't give a kitten about what happens to the ladder considering every title but 2 on the EU side has been wintraded. People are flyhacking, speedhacking, still openly wintrading. Evidence has been provided and nothing happens. At least let us enjoy what little enjoyment this gamemode still has with our friends.

  • witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2018
    Return duoq

    Solo did absolutely NOTHING to stop wintrading, as proven by the previous season. I haven't experienced any improvement in match quality either, if anything it got worse and more unreliable because there are a lot more randoms from gold sucked into these games.

    All it does is kill what little community there still is.

    We can't play ranked with friends in a team-based, communication-heavy part of an MMO? What kind of sick joke this is and why did they let some interns with no insight implement it?

  • Keep soloq

    @BeepBoopBop.5403 said:
    You people that desperately want solo q only for "competitive fairness" or something, you do realize that this policy has helped kill the game at higher levels right? What's the point of it all if the game is not even fun (due to balance and mechanics, separate topic) and I'm also forced to not play with friends? I go in between being able to queue duo and not all the time; when I'm solo only I start "practicing" side classes so I learn something new but at the same time hopefully tank just enough to duo again.

    I don't care about rating and rank, it's all kitten in this meaningless game. Notice how rank 1 MMR falls more and more every season, the people at the top are done because there's no fun to be had there due to win traders and everything else wrong with ranked. Solo queue only is the extra fun cherry on top.

    I want to point out about what killed the game mode at higher levels and why people stopped participating(Myself included) Don't make it out to be as if Solo was a huge factor in what killed it. Since season one, we've had the same offenders exploiting the system, (1 amber premades, Win trading, smurfing, Match Manipulation, etc). Up to this day. There was competitiveness before but since ANET is so adamant on not to deliver a just punishment to offenders that reallllllly deserve a harsh punishment, and who are still going rampant with these manipulative shady practices, hardly anyone wants to participate at high level anymore except for those that want to be apart of the same clique that win trade and exploit. Seeing as how even implementing making things solo only hampered the ability of exploiters, yet still going a way to game the system really says something about what anet thinks about competitive integrity. I want them to keep solo despite not even participating currently. Why? Because I have a sliver of hope Anet gets it together and finally does something about all these win traders and exploiters, and revives the competitiveness of the game, solo for the top slots should be something you feel like you've really played nail and tooth for to stay at the top, getting crappy teammates or not, and not tipping the odds in your favor.

  • Return duoq

    I love all the people who are like "It'll be bad for people who can't get a friend on discord."

    I mean, I'm just saying, if you can't get a single person to discord with you and duo q, it's already bad for you, friend.

  • aelska.4609aelska.4609 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2018
    Return duoq

    I would rather keep the same threshold as today (plat 2), but with an option to artifically lose rating while keeping the same matchmaking. With the current system, I end up throwing matches on purpose just to be able to duoQ again, because I absolutely don't care about being on the leaderboard.

  • Exedore.6320Exedore.6320 Member ✭✭✭
    Return duoq

    @JayAction.9056 said:
    I don't think anybody that is above 1600 wants duo q to come back. Think about that for a second.

    I doubt most people even close to 1600 want duo q back.

    I'm above 1600. My friends are above 1600. We all want team queue back because we enjoy playing together.

  • sephiroth.4217sephiroth.4217 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 18, 2018
    Return duoq

    Return 5 man queue.

    I wanna play with friends again, I wanna build mediocre PvP teams again and weird troll comps like 5 Thieves for fun and have a decent match... Yes we can do all that in unranked but the general skill level in unranked is miles below ranked. In unranked you can roll a spirit ranger and be awesome with it, it's fun, but not challenging.

    @aelska.4609 said:
    I would rather keep the same threshold as today (plat 2), but with an option to artifically lose rating while keeping the same matchmaking. With the current system, I end up throwing matches on purpose just to be able to duoQ again, because I absolutely don't care about being on the leaderboard.

    Similiar situation here, myself and friends refuse to try and go above gold, most of us have even decayed and abandoned ranked all together.

    Not to brag, but I put together a puzzle in 4 days and the box said 2-4 years.
    Please allow team queue with rewards again at our own discretion.
    06210311 251521 121512

  • Saiyan.1704Saiyan.1704 Member ✭✭✭
    Keep soloq

    Sure people are making bot accounts, queuing them all at the same time for the sake of gaining more wins - or win trading with friends - or paying others to throw, or queue dodging, etc... at least they don't pay that pro teef or necro player to boost them to top 50 while also doing the above items. So just for that 1 reason... I picked the red pill instead of the blue.

    What's sad is the reasoning why we even need it in the first place, for a game that's not even esports.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    Keep soloq

    I am above 1600 as well and i prefer soloq only. My friends are not good enough to play there and it is annoying to get smashed by duoqs... well, it was.

    However, I would be fine if they split teamq and soloq.

  • Bugabuga.9721Bugabuga.9721 Member ✭✭✭
    Keep soloq

    @Thane.9421 said:
    I love all the people who are like "It'll be bad for people who can't get a friend on discord."

    I mean, I'm just saying, if you can't get a single person to discord with you and duo q, it's already bad for you, friend.

    "So it should be even worse, ahahaha"? Okay, I guess.
    If the only reason you want duo-queue is "fun", it should be a separate queue. Heck, put a whole pre-made team there.
    Given that unranked doesn't seem to have people of high enough rating the "fun" part still comes down to "have extra advantage over solo players".

  • Keep soloq

    Either no restriction, means 5man queue or solo queue only. Nothing between.

  • Hex.2579Hex.2579 Member ✭✭✭
    Keep soloq

    keep solo q. in all fairness. the fact that many times your duo against 2 other duos on the other team. it's better to just make it all solo q so noone has a bigger advantage over the other.
    but i agree, they should split between solo/duo, or even team q. cuz it's not fun to solo all the time.

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