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Botting Necro's/Engineers lowering my enjoyment of the game.

Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭
edited March 19, 2018 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

One or more Necro's/Engineers botting some area with fast spawning mobs are really starting to get on my nerves. They block off area's where mobs spawn and where it used to be fun to defend against- or fight small waves of mobs.

Can't there be some mechanic added to minions that despawns them after a period of time of inactivity by the player character? Or at least something like that? Or just log off the character from the game after some inactivity like in any other game.

You see them everywhere these days, it's running rampant.

EDIT: [ for those that think this is about AFK farming: ]

Some of my favorite fighting spots are unusable because the mobs are beeing killed at the spawnpoint. So it's not about the KILLRIGHTS or about the MATERIALS but about ATTACKING, DODGING, and FIGHTING mobs.

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  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's in game since at least the release of Bitterfrost and ANet is aye-ok with it. Sry m8. I'd rather have it differently but I don't think anything will change about it in the near future.

    Why bother, just delete the official Forum.

  • artemis.6781artemis.6781 Member ✭✭✭

    The game kicks you after one hour of inactivity. So they are either they spot farming or using a macro to not get booted. Just report and move on. If they aren't doing anything wrong, then nothing will happen. And with the maps as big and plentiful as they are, what can 3 people possibly keep you from doing?

  • Chay.7852Chay.7852 Member ✭✭✭

    Report them and move on.. At least thats what im doing. Last time i saw such group in Frostgorge camping on the place where the broodmother champion spawns, they farm that champion. I dont think its ok but i guess only ANet can decide whether it is or not.
    Maybe GW1-style minions would help.. ?They had a quite strong life degen and the minion master could heal them but they lost hps, the more minions you had, the more hp you lost - means, you could heal them few times but after a while, whithout healing from another source you would die.

  • lokh.2695lokh.2695 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @lokh.2695 said:
    It's in game since at least the release of Bitterfrost and ANet is aye-ok with it. Sry m8. I'd rather have it differently but I don't think anything will change about it in the near future.

    With a clump of them of 3 players (12 minions) they effectively remove a small part of the game that is supposed to be there for everyone. The least i can do is report them and make some noise on the forum.

    Can't imagine Anet is okay with people slowly wrecking their game. Specially with such easy solutions.

    Maybe some bigger picture here im not seeing.

    Never said I'm ok with it. I just stopped caring. If ANet doesn't, why should I? I know what they do and how they "remove a small part of the game" for you, for me it's mostly immersion breaking and I think it's unjustified that they get loot for not playing the game which also sets the wrong incentive for other players. I understand that, But the reports have been made and continue to this day and the noise on the forum is as old as the issue, i.e. "It's in game since at least the release of Bitterfrost".$

    Good luck with the reports and the noise, see you again when the topic pops up next week ;)

    Why bother, just delete the official Forum.

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2018

    @lokh.2695 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @lokh.2695 said:
    It's in game since at least the release of Bitterfrost and ANet is aye-ok with it. Sry m8. I'd rather have it differently but I don't think anything will change about it in the near future.

    With a clump of them of 3 players (12 minions) they effectively remove a small part of the game that is supposed to be there for everyone. The least i can do is report them and make some noise on the forum.

    Can't imagine Anet is okay with people slowly wrecking their game. Specially with such easy solutions.

    Maybe some bigger picture here im not seeing.

    Never said I'm ok with it. I just stopped caring. If ANet doesn't, why should I? I know what they do and how they "remove a small part of the game" for you, for me it's mostly immersion breaking and I think it's unjustified that they get loot for not playing the game which also sets the wrong incentive for other players. I understand that, But the reports have been made and continue to this day and the noise on the forum is as old as the issue, i.e. "It's in game since at least the release of Bitterfrost".$

    Good luck with the reports and the noise, see you again when the topic pops up next week ;)

    Unfortunately lokh is right.. believe me I have made countless reports on masses of engineers and necros in various locations across the game but it simply falls on deaf ears and aside from an occasional coffee drip nothing is going to be done about it so the only choices we have left are grin and bare it, stop putting cash into the gemstore or find another game to fill your time... I have taken the latter two options which is a shame cos I have been happy to spend to support the game but with the ignorance shown of this issue as well as others like hacks/exploits seemingly unchecked now in pvp/wvw its simply not worth putting much more into it for me.

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • Oh, those are still around?
    Report and go ahead. ^^

  • Neural.1824Neural.1824 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Only thing to do is report and learn to live with them. I reported one particular necro sometime around August of last year, then put the account on my friends list. He finally stopped logging in sometime around December. I suspect he wasn't banned, but just got bored.

    Soul-binding needs to be allowed to die gracefully. It has expired. It is long past it's time to become a footnote in the history of gaming.

  • zengara.8301zengara.8301 Member ✭✭✭

    I never actually understood the whole Botting. Could some1 explain to me why do this in Gw2? Like the minions rarely gives anything, and I cant imagine it giving more than like 10 gold every 2-3 hours when killing them gives you a few coppers and greens. Like botting near places with events, would at the very least double/tripple it

  • Its not botting ( maybe some are bots ) . I do it sometimes with alt accounts while p
    laying main account.

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    Well at least they guard the forums very well...

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:

    @zengara.8301 said:
    I never actually understood the whole Botting. Could some1 explain to me why do this in Gw2? Like the minions rarely gives anything, and I cant imagine it giving more than like 10 gold every 2-3 hours when killing them gives you a few coppers and greens. Like botting near places with events, would at the very least double/tripple it

    When your sat AFK farming continuously all day everyday every week every month... those few minions that drop certain mats pile up quickly and then they bomb the TP .. it has a fundamental effect on the economy both as sellers and buyers. With the amount of accounts ANET lets players open up . this issue has now spiralled across the whole game. Every map has lots of them in certain hot spots.
    But of course ANET by their ignorance to the issue are saying AFK farming is normal gameplay and all is good.. nothing nefarious must be going on - really!

    You're blowing the problem way out of proportion. The 100 people that do it on EU servers will barely have an impact.

    I rather choose death.

  • Healix.5819Healix.5819 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They do ban these players. GMs will investigate them like any other bots, teleporting them out and whispering them to confirm their status. If they fail to respond, they are banned.

    Trying to counter it with AFK mechanics is pointless, since they'll just use macros. They'd need to rely on crowd sourcing, where after enough reports, they'd be required to enter a captcha to continue.

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    That is a really odd thing to get upset about. They're not doing you any harm. If you run around the world killing everything on sight.. idk, might be the wrong game. A large majority of players ignores most enemies because they don't do anything anyway so why bother.

    I occasionally afk farm as well to get lower tier mats, but at least I'm sitting next to it while I work or read.

    Besides, you can never really know if they are there or not. If I don't want to be bothered I switch my chat to an empty tab and press # to remove it entirely. Never underestimate someone's ability to ignore everything while still being around somewhat. If they legitimately afk until they get kicked it's no harm done either

    Yeah, its clear to see why some folks wouldn't want this pot to be stirred too much ;)

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:

    @zengara.8301 said:
    I never actually understood the whole Botting. Could some1 explain to me why do this in Gw2? Like the minions rarely gives anything, and I cant imagine it giving more than like 10 gold every 2-3 hours when killing them gives you a few coppers and greens. Like botting near places with events, would at the very least double/tripple it

    When your sat AFK farming continuously all day everyday every week every month... those few minions that drop certain mats pile up quickly and then they bomb the TP .. it has a fundamental effect on the economy both as sellers and buyers. With the amount of accounts ANET lets players open up . this issue has now spiralled across the whole game. Every map has lots of them in certain hot spots.
    But of course ANET by their ignorance to the issue are saying AFK farming is normal gameplay and all is good.. nothing nefarious must be going on - really!

    You're blowing the problem way out of proportion. The 100 people that do it on EU servers will barely have an impact.

    Oh it's only 100 people? Well in that case i don't see why they don't just get a permanent ban.

    I don't like people claiming and blocking off parts of the game for their own personal profit. And i don't care if they are there or not.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2018

    Yeah, I don't see why they don't permaban people for something extremely minor either.

    "Blocking off parts of the game" is so incredibly generic. You're just angry because these people aren't actively playing, but what should they do besides banning? Make minions die after a certain amount of time? Scripts and macros that do more than 1 thing per button press aren't allowed, fully automated even less. It would be easier to detect people actually using programs that way I guess.

    By your logic, a person that is 100% there and actively presses buttons, thus killing all mobs and denying everybody else a kill or credit on it does the very same. So it is okay for people to do it by pressing 1 or just putting something on their 1 key to keep it pressed but if they are AFK in any other it's like they just committed the first sin?

    Idk, I'll keep my low effort Scale farm up, I refuse to pay 10 silver per piece ;)

    I rather choose death.

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:

    @zengara.8301 said:
    I never actually understood the whole Botting. Could some1 explain to me why do this in Gw2? Like the minions rarely gives anything, and I cant imagine it giving more than like 10 gold every 2-3 hours when killing them gives you a few coppers and greens. Like botting near places with events, would at the very least double/tripple it

    When your sat AFK farming continuously all day everyday every week every month... those few minions that drop certain mats pile up quickly and then they bomb the TP .. it has a fundamental effect on the economy both as sellers and buyers. With the amount of accounts ANET lets players open up . this issue has now spiralled across the whole game. Every map has lots of them in certain hot spots.
    But of course ANET by their ignorance to the issue are saying AFK farming is normal gameplay and all is good.. nothing nefarious must be going on - really!

    You're blowing the problem way out of proportion. The 100 people that do it on EU servers will barely have an impact

    Lol 100 .. eermm yeah ok.
    I can see that many at Rankor Ruins on Timberline Falls alone most days :)

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • Rezzet.3614Rezzet.3614 Member ✭✭✭

    engineer turrets do have a despawn timer also turrets are the only minions without armor as well

    so i'd point out at rangers and necros being the bigger afk farming offenders

    otherwise flatout botting

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 17, 2018

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Yeah, I don't see why they don't permaban people for something extremely minor either.

    Minor....?

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Idk, I'll keep my low effort Scale farm up, I refuse to pay 10 silver per piece ;)

    ... ah right, okay ...'minor' ;)

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    "Blocking off parts of the game" is so incredibly generic. You're just angry because these people aren't actively playing,

    Im annoyed that they ruin a small part of the game for me and probably a few others. In the southern part of Queensdale there is a small bandit camp where the mobs spawn and defend their camp when you attack. It's quite fun to attack and evade and often attrackts other people joining in. Its a fun little skirmish when your character is very low level.

    But last few days there are 3 Necro's there (with Mastery numbers around 240) that are bunched up in front of the tent where all the mobs spawn... basically rendering that area unusable for others. That is what annoys me... not whether there are people there or not.

    But yeah, im also against sucking the marrow out of games like that. Call me weird.

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    but what should they do besides banning? Make minions die after a certain amount of time? Scripts and macros that do more than 1 thing per button press aren't
    allowed, fully automated even less. It would be easier to detect people actually using programs that way I guess.

    Im not Anet, am i? Im just here reporting something that reeks of abusing the system to me while at the same time ruining a small part of the game.

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    By your logic, a person that is 100% there and actively presses buttons, thus killing all mobs and denying everybody else a kill or credit on it does the very same. So it is okay for people to do it by pressing 1 or just putting something on their 1 key to keep it pressed but if they are AFK in any other it's like they just committed the first sin?

    Well obviously nobody has the patients to 'press 1' for days on end. But then again, they don't need to because thankfully they can abuse ingame mechanics for that.
    Meanwhile i'll just keep reporting them. Maybe one day i'll run into your 'low effort scale farm'.

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fallesafe.5932 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:
    And i realise im kicking against some peoples ingame businesses, looking at some of the responses :)

    I've never:

    1) played a necro.
    2) played an engineer.
    3) "botted"
    4) "macroed"

    ... in all the time I've played this game.

    Why do you feel the need to defend yourself? I didn't mention names, did i?

    @Fallesafe.5932 said:
    I just don't understand how your "enjoyment of the game" could possibly hinge on some trifling pocket of open world trash-mobs in the corner of some loser zone nobody goes to unless they have a quest to finish.

    Like i just explained in the message above this one. I enjoy battling these area's... it's part of why i like this game. I come through there often because i enjoy leveling characters.

    But why could you possibly be so annoyed at someone that is annoyed about gameplay destroying mechanics in "some trifling pocket of open world trash-mobs in the corner of some loser zone" ?

  • reddie.5861reddie.5861 Member ✭✭✭

    i used to do it, why? because i dunno i made like 10/20/30 gold in a few hours while spending time with my kid..
    nowadays its more likely 3/4g a hour but hey who cares..

    u see i can say u enjoy killing these mobs, sure i believe u but what i dont believe is that u exactly needed these few mobs to have ur joy ingame.
    tbh, i played so many mmo's every single one of them has botters REAL botters that move and go around objects and farm all day long like a boss..
    these dont even bother me anymore cus its just the way its, mmo's come with bots end of story.

    top of that when i do play my self in same spot as i stand afk i make so much more gold and so much faster so u can join me easily and tag same mobs as me and still enjoy your game play.

    tho i dont bother anymore doing it nowadays have had it with current meta in gw2 so to lazy to even log to afk farm :p atleast i dont use macro so eventually if im not checking from time to time i get kicked out of game

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @reddie.5861 said:
    i used to do it, why? because i dunno i made like 10/20/30 gold in a few hours while spending time with my kid..
    nowadays its more likely 3/4g a hour but hey who cares..

    u see i can say u enjoy killing these mobs, sure i believe u but what i dont believe is that u exactly needed these few mobs to have ur joy ingame.
    tbh, i played so many mmo's every single one of them has botters REAL botters that move and go around objects and farm all day long like a boss..
    these dont even bother me anymore cus its just the way its, mmo's come with bots end of story.

    top of that when i do play my self in same spot as i stand afk i make so much more gold and so much faster so u can join me easily and tag same mobs as me and still enjoy your game play.

    tho i dont bother anymore doing it nowadays have had it with current meta in gw2 so to lazy to even log to afk farm :p atleast i dont use macro so eventually if im not checking from time to time i get kicked out of game

    It's not just about those few mobs.. its anywhere where there are clusters of respawns..normally in heart quest areas like rankor ruins, which incidentally also has a repeat event that spawns a lot of mobs for those mats.
    Then there is the economy effect and that is a much worse issue for the game.
    You like to think a few people doing it.. wrong there are 000's doing it now and its getting worse.
    Closing off map sections for mass farming is just poor game management by ANET imo. Its shows a very low regard for their product and ToS when they choose to ignore it like they do.
    There is even a single necro hugging an ice wall in Bitterfrost just killing a respawning fly and he's been there for like a week or two.. is that normal gameplay, is it even remotely close to ngame enjoyment.. no its just someone AFK macro'ing a f2p toon wherever they find a respawn they can exploit, no matter if it's 1 mob or 20 mobs.

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Galaa.8475 said:
    "slowly ruining the game", "running rampant", "slowly wrecking the game", frigging really? dramatic much?. This has such a minuscule effect on anything. Most of them are just farming Xp. I'm all over the maps daily. I hardly ever see them. maybe one every few maps. Anyway, just chill and play your game. Anet has already ruled on this and you're wasting your time reporting it. its a nothing burger. move on, nothing to see here.

    lol farming XP.. I really don't think so... cos if it took me 6months to farm xp on 1 toon in the same spot 24/7.. I think i'd rather be finding other ways to kill my grey matter.
    As for miniscule.. no it's a lot bigger than that, that's why ANET choose to ignore it because to deal with it now its grown so large an issue would likely see larger numbers of players go elsewhere.

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @reddie.5861 said:
    u see i can say u enjoy killing these mobs, sure i believe u but what i dont believe is that u exactly needed these few mobs to have ur joy ingame.

    It's not about me needing anything. It's about a questionable mechanism that spoils a nice little skirmish area. Last time i checked this game was about fighting badguys. Not about churning them into valuables by the thousands in a semi-automated process.

    @reddie.5861 said:
    tbh, i played so many mmo's every single one of them has botters REAL botters that move and go around objects and farm all day long like a boss..
    these dont even bother me anymore cus its just the way its, mmo's come with bots end of story.

    So you accept it and even join them and i don't. And to be honest, i don't really lose sleep over it but i do get highly annoyed when they start ruining nice stuff ingame that i enjoy.

    @reddie.5861 said:
    top of that when i do play my self in same spot as i stand afk i make so much more gold and so much faster so u can join me easily and tag same mobs as me and still enjoy your game play.

    I don't farm mobs like that for whatever reasons. I play this game for the RPG part, not for fake wealth.

  • Drecien.4508Drecien.4508 Member ✭✭✭

    What if anet put the respawns in place in areas so the "afk farmers" would be out of the way? I rarely see them anymore. Maybe they put some farms out of the way so it doesn't break the immersion?

    New mount skins?! Anet take my money!

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    Nice comments guys... sorry if i stepped on a few toes while pointing out a small flaw in the system.

    I realise some of you buy everything ingame through income from farms. It's like that in every game.

    I can't say i'm too fussed about it most of the time, although i find it a nono and won't be doing stuff like that myself.

    But rest assured that when you park your farming behinds in front of my favorite passtime i'll kick it. No matter how tiny the effect.

    Cheers folks! :)

  • Ok I Did It.2854Ok I Did It.2854 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 18, 2018

    This wont be stopped unless its preventing an event/meta from starting/ending, Anet have said before that AFK farming isn't illegal aslong as its not a BOT doing it, however, if a spot becomes to rampant and or the rewards are to good then it will be nerfed, usually it results in the enemies that spawn in the location dropping no loot or XP, thus effectively killing the farm, there are some spots in CS that have this, no loot from enemies,

    I have seen some afk farmers in locations that are really far out of the way on popular maps that no one bothers with, im not sure what they are farming as I watched them one day and the enemies only spawned every 60 or so seconds, so its not exactly efficient.

    Don't say what you mean, it will get you in trouble.

  • Faaris.8013Faaris.8013 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ok I Did It.2854 said:
    I have seen some afk farmers in locations that are really far out of the way on popular maps that no one bothers with, im not sure what they are farming as I watched them one day and the enemies only spawned every 60 or so seconds, so its not exactly efficient.

    afk farming is not about efficiency, it's about having the feeling of progress without actually playing a game. It's called idle game of clicker game:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incremental_game

    I guess most idle gamers have macros set up so they don't actually have to click something every 60 seconds (if you watch them for 10 minutes and take times of skill activation, you'll see that the same skill is activated exactly after X amount of time, to 1/10 seconds accurate). Then there are some who have several clients runnning and play the game actively, while the other accounts idle farm for them. I've done that once in another game where you had to fight the same rogue over and over again to get that stupid dagger. I had two accounts and two computers. One account had a tank just standing at the rogue for days, while I clicked the attack button every few minutes when he respawned. I was playing actively with the other account, that way I could get the dagger without having to grind. I must say I got some messages on the idle account expressing pity over my way of spending free time. I explained a few times to people that I'm having a ball with my other account at the same time.

    In any case, it makes a game look poor, but there are several reasons why Anet would tolerate it. Maybe they want to attract idle gamers in hopes that they will eventually start playing the game. Maybe they don't want to spend money on getting rid of them, and they are not enough to cause a problem (in Anet's point of view). I'm pretty sure if we all started doing it, and there were thousands of accounts doing nothing but idle gaming GW2, they would act on it. In my opinion, if players feel they need to do this, there is a flaw in the game's design, just like in that game I played where you had to farm that rogue.

    This is an MMO game, and it should encourage people to play it actively.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zedek.8932 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    That is a really odd thing to get upset about. They're not doing you any harm. If you run around the world killing everything on sight.. idk, might be the wrong game. A large majority of players ignores most enemies because they don't do anything anyway so why bother.

    I occasionally afk farm as well to get lower tier mats, but at least I'm sitting next to it while I work or read.

    Besides, you can never really know if they are there or not. If I don't want to be bothered I switch my chat to an empty tab and press # to remove it entirely. Never underestimate someone's ability to ignore everything while still being around somewhat. If they legitimately afk until they get kicked it's no harm done either

    Excelsior.
    That's like blocking a parking space in a full/crowded parking lot while sitting in the car, doing nothing but reading or listening to music and then wondering why people honk at you and getting angry. "I dindu nuffing wrong"?

    Sorry, that's not quite nice to say the least.

    Except that my being somewhere in a game does not block anybody from standing in the exact same spot and taking kill credit or just straight up killing mobs before they even aggro on me. You can't compare this to the real world, because in the example you brought up there would actually be something to complain about - the physical presence of my car that makes it impossible for others to be in the very same spot. Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.

    I rather choose death.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Zedek.8932 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    That is a really odd thing to get upset about. They're not doing you any harm. If you run around the world killing everything on sight.. idk, might be the wrong game. A large majority of players ignores most enemies because they don't do anything anyway so why bother.

    I occasionally afk farm as well to get lower tier mats, but at least I'm sitting next to it while I work or read.

    Besides, you can never really know if they are there or not. If I don't want to be bothered I switch my chat to an empty tab and press # to remove it entirely. Never underestimate someone's ability to ignore everything while still being around somewhat. If they legitimately afk until they get kicked it's no harm done either

    Excelsior.
    That's like blocking a parking space in a full/crowded parking lot while sitting in the car, doing nothing but reading or listening to music and then wondering why people honk at you and getting angry. "I dindu nuffing wrong"?

    Sorry, that's not quite nice to say the least.

    Except that my being somewhere in a game does not block anybody from standing in the exact same spot and taking kill credit or just straight up killing mobs before they even aggro on me. You can't compare this to the real world, because in the example you brought up there would actually be something to complain about - the physical presence of my car that makes it impossible for others to be in the very same spot. Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.

    Nonono. Have you ever tried to hit low level mobs when theres 3-4 engies, full turrets and everything around? You can't. You just cant.

  • MithranArkanere.8957MithranArkanere.8957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 18, 2018

    This will not be fixed with measures like the annoying attacks in Lake Doric that affects players even more than AFK or semi-afk farmers.

    The solution has to be one-size fits all. And it has to affect only AI-farming afk and quasy-afk players. For example, something like this:

    Inquest Deadly Lunar Edifice

    • Now when AI you control kills an enemy in open world areas. You get a hidden effect that stacks. This effect won't appear in the effects monitor.

      • Stacks go up when your AI kill enemies, and go down per hit when you hit enemies with your own skills, when moving (walking in place against a wall would not work) and are completely cleared up after 2min out of combat. This almost guarantees active players will never get enough stacks to trigger this mechanic, because they'd move more, hit enemies several times before AI kills them and leave combat more often.
    • After gathering enough stacks, like 25 to 99, a skyhammer beam appears on the AFK player, and they hear the sound cue "Please stand still for science".

      • This beam will be phased to that player's client and hit only that player and their AI, so it will not be seen or affect anyone or anything else.
      • After a 5s charge up, the Skyhammer fires, killing the AI of the AFK player, downing them and disabling their skills for 5s. The area would not be as large as the PvP skyhammer. It'd be something like a 160 or 240 radius.
    • In the update notes this change could appear as "There's rumors that Inquest have deployed ia skyhammer cannon on the moon and are testing it on unsuspecting idle people all across Tyria".

    With something like this, it'd be extremely hard that it would trigger on players that are not AFK, even if it does trigger players that are not AFK can leave the area, and even if the stars align and someone does trigger the effect, get hit and downed, they can still be revived and go on their way. And if someone REALLY wants to stay semi-afk, they will get the "Please stand by for science" message to remind them to move once in a while.

    Something like that should do it.

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.

    AND the ones that are actually playing the game but can't because 'AFK-poacher & Co.' are hogging the place and hampering the mechanics of the area.
    Ive described what happens. Denying the grass is green doesn't make it blue or any other color.

    And the mobs aggro WAY faster than that.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Zedek.8932 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    That is a really odd thing to get upset about. They're not doing you any harm. If you run around the world killing everything on sight.. idk, might be the wrong game. A large majority of players ignores most enemies because they don't do anything anyway so why bother.

    I occasionally afk farm as well to get lower tier mats, but at least I'm sitting next to it while I work or read.

    Besides, you can never really know if they are there or not. If I don't want to be bothered I switch my chat to an empty tab and press # to remove it entirely. Never underestimate someone's ability to ignore everything while still being around somewhat. If they legitimately afk until they get kicked it's no harm done either

    Excelsior.
    That's like blocking a parking space in a full/crowded parking lot while sitting in the car, doing nothing but reading or listening to music and then wondering why people honk at you and getting angry. "I dindu nuffing wrong"?

    Sorry, that's not quite nice to say the least.

    Except that my being somewhere in a game does not block anybody from standing in the exact same spot and taking kill credit or just straight up killing mobs before they even aggro on me. You can't compare this to the real world, because in the example you brought up there would actually be something to complain about - the physical presence of my car that makes it impossible for others to be in the very same spot. Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.

    Nonono. Have you ever tried to hit low level mobs when theres 3-4 engies, full turrets and everything around? You can't. You just cant.

    I've never seen it that extreme, however I still do not believe that you not being able to kill 5 mobs that you would have NEVER even engaged in normal play would alter anybody's gameplay in any way at all - just something silly people can rage about because "muh gameplay". It's just so.. insignificant.

    I rather choose death.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Zedek.8932 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    That is a really odd thing to get upset about. They're not doing you any harm. If you run around the world killing everything on sight.. idk, might be the wrong game. A large majority of players ignores most enemies because they don't do anything anyway so why bother.

    I occasionally afk farm as well to get lower tier mats, but at least I'm sitting next to it while I work or read.

    Besides, you can never really know if they are there or not. If I don't want to be bothered I switch my chat to an empty tab and press # to remove it entirely. Never underestimate someone's ability to ignore everything while still being around somewhat. If they legitimately afk until they get kicked it's no harm done either

    Excelsior.
    That's like blocking a parking space in a full/crowded parking lot while sitting in the car, doing nothing but reading or listening to music and then wondering why people honk at you and getting angry. "I dindu nuffing wrong"?

    Sorry, that's not quite nice to say the least.

    Except that my being somewhere in a game does not block anybody from standing in the exact same spot and taking kill credit or just straight up killing mobs before they even aggro on me. You can't compare this to the real world, because in the example you brought up there would actually be something to complain about - the physical presence of my car that makes it impossible for others to be in the very same spot. Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.

    Nonono. Have you ever tried to hit low level mobs when theres 3-4 engies, full turrets and everything around? You can't. You just cant.

    I've never seen it that extreme, however I still do not believe that you not being able to kill 5 mobs that you would have NEVER even engaged in normal play would alter anybody's gameplay in any way at all - just something silly people can rage about because "muh gameplay". It's just so.. insignificant.

    Well, we agree! If its so insignificant, maybe you should stop doing it! Unless you like doing insignificant stuff...

  • artemis.6781artemis.6781 Member ✭✭✭

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.

    AND the ones that are actually playing the game but can't because 'AFK-poacher & Co.' are hogging the place and hampering the mechanics of the area.
    Ive described what happens. Denying the grass is green doesn't make it blue or any other color.

    And the mobs aggro WAY faster than that.

    And you know you can tag those mobs too? Or has this simple solution alluded you? AOEs, traps, marks all work wonders. This game has no "steal kill".

  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    While I wouldnt stop playing the game over what stuff other people are doing, I do wish there werent any afk farmers. Multiple times when I want to farm some mats theyre there which just makes me not be there. And I definitely dont get any enjoyment out of joining them so I wont do that.

    As long as ArenaNet isnt able or willing to take the steps to get rid of it, it will persist.

    Last time I checked though, they just nerf the loot, so just ruining the farm rather than the method of the farm.

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @artemis.6781 said:

    @Abakk.9176 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Me being afk in a spot doesn't harm anybody - besides the mobs that will spawn every 20 or whatever seconds that might not even aggro for another 10.

    AND the ones that are actually playing the game but can't because 'AFK-poacher & Co.' are hogging the place and hampering the mechanics of the area.
    Ive described what happens. Denying the grass is green doesn't make it blue or any other color.

    And the mobs aggro WAY faster than that.

    And you know you can tag those mobs too? Or has this simple solution alluded you? AOEs, traps, marks all work wonders. This game has no "steal kill".

    Oh really? ...interesting... too bad that that is not what this is about.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 18, 2018

    I think the OP has missed something .. this isn't new and Anet already has had a discussion with players about this. There are lots of things in the game people don't like. Some of them you just have to get past yourself.

    I get it ... AFK farming has a perception of cheating linked to it. Anet deals with it in their way. Report what you see and move on.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Abakk.9176Abakk.9176 Member ✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    I think the OP has missed something .. this isn't new and Anet already has had a discussion with players about this. There are lots of things in the game people don't like. Some of them you just have to get past yourself.

    I get it ... AFK farming has a perception of cheating linked to it. Anet deals with it in their way. Report what you see and move on.

    Like i already said a couple of times... it's not the AFK farming that is bothering me. It's the fact that they claim a small area for their own use and effectively block off other players from content.

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Anet deals with it in their way.

    So do i :)

  • OneYenShort.3189OneYenShort.3189 Member ✭✭✭

    Cries like this remind me of "DON'T KILL MY AMBIENTS!!!1!11!!!1" that used to happen constantly.

    Ah, remember the days?

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 19, 2018

    I know a spot these farmers camp there.. I wasn't afk but just stay there to farm along. You get a lot of evergreen lodestone by farming the fast spawning Iboga.. I got like 7 in less than 2 hours .. I could go afk and use auto clicker to farm this but ofc I didn't. Back then the lodestone was near 2 g each. Location of these afk farmers is Modri Caverns. I hv tried to report such activities in game reporting tool but they are there 24/7 still..

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