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Worst T4 FRACTAL day ever!

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So much Last Laughing (Instability in Fractals)!...

EDIT: I am sorry I didn't explain what this post is about... Thankfully somebody did this instead of me...

Sorry.

Late EDIT: Title has changed, previous was without word "FRACTAL".

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  • Trinnitty.8256Trinnitty.8256 Member ✭✭✭

    it was crazy our group even commented on it lol

  • Endless Soul.5178Endless Soul.5178 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think the rest of us are going to need some context, because otherwise, this thread makes no sense.

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  • Vrita.7846Vrita.7846 Member ✭✭✭

    @Endless Soul.5178 said:
    I think the rest of us are going to need some context, because otherwise, this thread makes no sense.

    During Fractals of the Mists there are these things called "Instabilities" that add a mechanic to the fractal. Last Laugh is one of many instabilities you can get for a fractal. Basically what Last Laugh does is whenever you kill a mob, summoned or not, they explode knocking you back and dealing damage. During trash heavy encounters, you can find yourself chain cced cause getting hit by multiple explosions with knock you back multiple times. Today's fractal dailies were pretty bad cause they were all trash heavy.

  • Trinnitty.8256Trinnitty.8256 Member ✭✭✭

    all three t4 and one t3 had it today. 4/6

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2018

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Vrita.7846 said:

    @Endless Soul.5178 said:
    I think the rest of us are going to need some context, because otherwise, this thread makes no sense.

    During Fractals of the Mists there are these things called "Instabilities" that add a mechanic to the fractal. Last Laugh is one of many instabilities you can get for a fractal. Basically what Last Laugh does is whenever you kill a mob, summoned or not, they explode knocking you back and dealing damage. During trash heavy encounters, you can find yourself chain cced cause getting hit by multiple explosions with knock you back multiple times. Today's fractal dailies were pretty bad cause they were all trash heavy.

    Thanks for giving context instead of expecting everyone to be mind readers.

    I didn't mean that... Also if you don't know something or you are confused then simply ask, not attack.

    The real problem of this kind of dailies is that the instabilities like Last Laugh turn the fractals into something annoying, and you no longer can enjoy the content.

    They've been experimenting with instabilities and they are different in every Living World release. And the real message of this post is that enough is enough, it doesn't make the fractals tougher, but annoying, when you see 10 small mobs and they just explode when die at once (they also stun, make a massive damage, and knock you back), and a melee player like for example weaver have no idea what to do, while there is the boss that also massively attacks you, druid is stunned, then he can't effectively heal, and dps is lowest, because you have to keep dodging attacks.

    I don't say it's unworkable, but it shouldn't be like that... I think this may cause a rebel of the fractal players and it may hold the fractal designers on, because what they do is very annoying.

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  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    Also if you don't know something or you are confused then simply ask, not attack.

    Or you could make a post that’s clear. Not a post with a cryptic title (T4 what? Mats? Prices have crashed? Fractals? Something else?) and then the body of the post is not helpful. (Last laugh? Did you mean someone got the last word?).

    what is it now about, though? I shall never do it again, if this answer will please you.

    Seek, and you shall find.

  • @Arden.7480 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    Also if you don't know something or you are confused then simply ask, not attack.

    Or you could make a post that’s clear. Not a post with a cryptic title (T4 what? Mats? Prices have crashed? Fractals? Something else?) and then the body of the post is not helpful. (Last laugh? Did you mean someone got the last word?).

    what is it now about, though? I shall never do it again, if this answer will please you.

    Thank you. I appreciate not having to guess what someone is trying to say when they start a thread.

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  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    Also if you don't know something or you are confused then simply ask, not attack.

    Or you could make a post that’s clear. Not a post with a cryptic title (T4 what? Mats? Prices have crashed? Fractals? Something else?) and then the body of the post is not helpful. (Last laugh? Did you mean someone got the last word?).

    I read the thread and wondered if T4 mat prices has crashed and you thought someone (hoarders maybe) had had the last laugh.

    Did the title get changed? It specified t4 fractals when I first saw it, but I didnt see it until well after it was posted.

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2018

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    Also if you don't know something or you are confused then simply ask, not attack.

    Or you could make a post that’s clear. Not a post with a cryptic title (T4 what? Mats? Prices have crashed? Fractals? Something else?) and then the body of the post is not helpful. (Last laugh? Did you mean someone got the last word?).

    I read the thread and wondered if T4 mat prices has crashed and you thought someone (hoarders maybe) had had the last laugh.

    Did the title get changed? It specified t4 fractals when I first saw it, but I didnt see it until well after it was posted.

    It was just The worst T4 day ever. The word fractals was added later.

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  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Just a flesh wound.3589 said:

    Also if you don't know something or you are confused then simply ask, not attack.

    Or you could make a post that’s clear. Not a post with a cryptic title (T4 what? Mats? Prices have crashed? Fractals? Something else?) and then the body of the post is not helpful. (Last laugh? Did you mean someone got the last word?).

    I read the thread and wondered if T4 mat prices has crashed and you thought someone (hoarders maybe) had had the last laugh.

    Did the title get changed? It specified t4 fractals when I first saw it, but I didnt see it until well after it was posted.

    It was just The worst T4 day ever. The word fractals was added later.

    Thank you.

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2018

    made a group full cm t4 run.. run was not bad.
    last time the last laugh in t4 swamp gave me nightmare.. would only do t4 with cm team now :P

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  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2018

    Last Laugh is ok for me. Chrono pull, short burst, trash is gone and all you need is a single dodge at worst.
    Yesterday was worse because not only CMs have social awkwardness this week, no 2 of T4s had it + the T3 of Recs.

    Still I agree, all those instabilities are not challenging just annoying and I can understand that many of the usual T4 players have quitted (several) fractals.

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vinceman.4572 said:
    Last Laugh is ok for me. Chrono pull, short burst, trash is gone and all you need is a single dodge at worst.
    Yesterday was worse because not only CMs have social awkwardness this week, no 2 of T4s had it + the T3 of Recs.

    Still I agree, all those instabilities are not challenging just annoying and I can understand that many of the usual T4 players have quitted (several) fractals.

    at the dredge.. people on the button cant dodge loooooooool because of the dredge's last laugh.. but then again.. theres 5 people. 2 buttons 1 control .. we still have TWO!!!! the other TWO i am sure u can do something to help. right right...

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  • CptAurellian.9537CptAurellian.9537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    We already had T4 underground with LL a few days ago, didn't we? It's annoying in the button room, but doable. Still, I think that's a combination that should be blacklisted.

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  • Sublimatio.6981Sublimatio.6981 Member ✭✭✭

    yesterday was also one of my worst days for fractals mainly because it took me over 1 hour of being instakicked upon joining groups (that i met lfg requirements for) for playing reaper. its only reinforces me in complaining here and on reddit about the class. i don't want to play other classes so you might say it's my problem, but personally i feel like anet is disrespecting my time by their continuous negligence. if they can rework power warrior/chrono to get at 33k+ dps then what are they waiting for with the class that actually needs it the most? the other classes already were in demand. it's so unfair.

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  • Krypto.2069Krypto.2069 Member ✭✭✭

    Anybody got some recorded footage of this?
    I don't do many fractals but would like to observe this phenomenon! Sounds BRUTAL! :scream:

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  • Raizel.8175Raizel.8175 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I had no problems yesterday. It's only mildly annoying in Amalas Grenth-form, if she spawns adds.

  • spiritualabyss.7016spiritualabyss.7016 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2018

    It was a beautiful day - i farmed like 30 amala kills of 4-5min each in three hours. Got me some nice relics and had fun doing so. 10/10 would farm lfg again.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sublimatio.6981 said:
    yesterday was also one of my worst days for fractals mainly because it took me over 1 hour of being instakicked upon joining groups (that i met lfg requirements for) for playing reaper. its only reinforces me in complaining here and on reddit about the class. i don't want to play other classes so you might say it's my problem, but personally i feel like anet is disrespecting my time by their continuous negligence. if they can rework power warrior/chrono to get at 33k+ dps then what are they waiting for with the class that actually needs it the most? the other classes already were in demand. it's so unfair.

    Yea I mean your on of the best reapers out there mate, alot of others me included make the class look bad sorry for that.
    Scourge was on par with other classes but apparently that was a bug and not intended =)

  • Nephalem.8921Nephalem.8921 Member ✭✭✭

    Only place where last laugh is unfair is 99cm endboss last phase but good groups skip that one anyways.
    Rest is ok and way less annoying if you have some stability. Chaos chrono, Druiden Elite spirit help a lot.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Thank you Ben for this terrible "improvement" of instabilities. I skipped fractals altogether today. Seriously, thanks a lot. Having "fun" with your improvements.

  • CptAurellian.9537CptAurellian.9537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nephalem.8921 said:
    Rest is ok and way less annoying if you have some stability. Chaos chrono, Druiden Elite spirit help a lot.

    I don't think it's a good idea to make these two even more mandatory than they already are.

    Praise delta!

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nephalem.8921 said:
    Only place where last laugh is unfair is 99cm endboss last phase but good groups skip that one anyways.
    Rest is ok and way less annoying if you have some stability. Chaos chrono, Druiden Elite spirit help a lot.

    Well Twilight Oasis grenth phase can be pretty brutal with last laugh aswell.

  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2018

    @Krypto.2069 said:
    Anybody got some recorded footage of this?
    I don't do many fractals but would like to observe this phenomenon! Sounds BRUTAL! :scream:

    This is not from yesterday's dailies, but check this instability out: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/82v3yw/99cm_last_laugh_the_gw2_meme_of_2018/

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  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think last laugh instability is very amusing, they should make it more punishing though

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    I think last laugh instability is very amusing, they should make it more punishing though

    But does it give AP?

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2018

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    I think last laugh instability is very amusing, they should make it more punishing though

    But does it give AP?

    No, but it gives me the last laugh.
    I am always very amused when the party is raging and getting knocked around.

  • Endless Soul.5178Endless Soul.5178 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vrita.7846 said:

    @Endless Soul.5178 said:
    I think the rest of us are going to need some context, because otherwise, this thread makes no sense.

    During Fractals of the Mists there are these things called "Instabilities" that add a mechanic to the fractal. Last Laugh is one of many instabilities you can get for a fractal. Basically what Last Laugh does is whenever you kill a mob, summoned or not, they explode knocking you back and dealing damage. During trash heavy encounters, you can find yourself chain cced cause getting hit by multiple explosions with knock you back multiple times. Today's fractal dailies were pretty bad cause they were all trash heavy.

    Thanks for the explanation. Wow that sounds horrendous! :o

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  • Krypto.2069Krypto.2069 Member ✭✭✭

    @Arden.7480 said:

    @Krypto.2069 said:
    Anybody got some recorded footage of this?
    I don't do many fractals but would like to observe this phenomenon! Sounds BRUTAL! :scream:

    This is not from yesterday's dailies, but check this instability out: https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/82v3yw/99cm_last_laugh_the_gw2_meme_of_2018/

    Wow, that's some intense kitten! That rev did a pretty good job handling that madness alone for a stretch, though!

    Thank you, Arden, for video link! :smile:

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  • Eramonster.2718Eramonster.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2018

    @Linken.6345 said:

    @Nephalem.8921 said:
    Only place where last laugh is unfair is 99cm endboss last phase but good groups skip that one anyways.
    Rest is ok and way less annoying if you have some stability. Chaos chrono, Druiden Elite spirit help a lot.

    Well Twilight Oasis grenth phase can be pretty brutal with last laugh aswell.

    Go with a standard healer support setup and if that doesn't work, try going with 5 DPS next time. Works for Amala by pushing the phase change faster to revive the dead & downed players (possible with 2-3 players alive). In my PuG'ing experience, 5 DPS for T.O(even with L.L) works better and I have my reasons for it.

    For Underground with L.L, use stability and reflect during Panel Switch :smile: . Try avoid killing any melee Dredges while you're on the panel without stability, they don't do much dmg (unless there's more than 3 on you,try to take out the Dredge's with rifles).

    I ran fractals several times a day (helping out friends and for fun). Base on my experience in PuG groups, understanding the mechanics and how things work plays a HUGE role. Not going to go through all the details but just an example to match with the OP ; a recent T4 group consist of Holo (Flame thrower full time), Soulbeast (Axe/Sword + dagger), Reaper, Staff Weaver (Fire Attunement AA & Lava Font only) :anguished: and nothing surprises me anymore.

    PS : Tried PuG'ing at different time zones for the pass 2 days, let's just say I'll stick to my normal playtime schedule :wink:

  • I can't tell what I hate more, vindicators or the exploding enemies or both XD

    happily it feels like the vindicators recently are slightly more controllable, i remember right after one of the patches where it was just like death and dying everywhere for everybody

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Krypto.2069 said:
    Anybody got some recorded footage of this?
    I don't do many fractals but would like to observe this phenomenon! Sounds BRUTAL! :scream:

    Not that bad, just painful lol still doable

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  • maxwelgm.4315maxwelgm.4315 Member ✭✭✭

    @Benjamin Arnold.3457 said:
    A last laugh nerf is coming soon. Keep the feedback coming!

    Last laugh is painful but in terms of destabilizing players (lol) it might be a contender for #1 place. I'd say it should get changed to something that still requires intense movement and would still heavily punish players who try to cleave. As I see it, the best instabilities to actually require you to rethink your playstyle are the anti-things such as anti-stacking (social awkwardness) and anti-cleaving-without-thinking (last laugh).

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Benjamin Arnold.3457 said:
    A last laugh nerf is coming soon. Keep the feedback coming!

    nooooooooooooo i am not laughing :P jk

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  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Benjamin Arnold.3457 said:
    A last laugh nerf is coming soon. Keep the feedback coming!

    Thanks!

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  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arden.7480 said:

    @Benjamin Arnold.3457 said:
    A last laugh nerf is coming soon. Keep the feedback coming!

    Thanks!

    Actually, yes thanks from us here too :) makes life getting daily done easier :p

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  • Sublimatio.6981Sublimatio.6981 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 24, 2018

    @maxwelgm.4315 said:
    Last laugh is painful but in terms of destabilizing players (lol) it might be a contender for #1 place. I'd say it should get changed to something that still requires intense movement and would still heavily punish players who try to cleave. As I see it, the best instabilities to actually require you to rethink your playstyle are the anti-things such as anti-stacking (social awkwardness) and anti-cleaving-without-thinking (last laugh).

    You're kidding, right? Social awkwardness just makes people hate each other. Especially in pugs where you meet "druids" that want to heal you by running into your hitbox with CA#4 all the time, killing your scholar bonus. It's not just forcing to rethink playstyle. The good instabilities are non-invasive into your social interactions with other players. Flux bomb - makes me want to kill people sometimes. Same with social awkwardness.

    Whats fun and enjoyable? Random rabbit/tentacle popping up. Random skyhammer, random Mai Trin bombardment. Mobs getting strong at low hp. Vindicators (though this also has people-hating potential but mainly because they go down, mobs are easy to kill). Basically the instabilities that increase difficulty but provide healthy environment for the fact that 5 sentient humans are inside an instance.

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  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Already told you bud you dident need healing was to busy to heal everyone else to bother seeing were you were being dubble the dps of the other people even tho your scholar bonus got alittle dent.

  • Eramonster.2718Eramonster.2718 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2018

    Now that L.L is settled, lets move on to the next instability to put on the nerf table :lol: voting for Social Awkwardness!

    @cloudsareyum.8120 said:
    I can't tell what I hate more, vindicators or the exploding enemies or both XD

    happily it feels like the vindicators recently are slightly more controllable, i remember right after one of the patches where it was just like death and dying everywhere for everybody

    The new vindicators is a joke now (they don't attack/ have a long pause between attacks and often freeze) :tongue: certain class is able to solo it during downed state to get rallied.

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Benjamin Arnold.3457 said:
    A last laugh nerf is coming soon. Keep the feedback coming!

    It wouldn't be necesarry if you didn't mess with instabilities in the first place. There is no good solution now - you either waste your time to make instabilities annoyign and more players frustrated in the process or you make them weak so we are back to pre-change situation of instabilities being irrelevant.

  • CptAurellian.9537CptAurellian.9537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Instabilities weren't irrelevant pre-change, we just got used to them. The only big difference now is that we got a few nasty combos which weren't there before.

    Praise delta!

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Benjamin Arnold.3457 said:
    A last laugh nerf is coming soon. Keep the feedback coming!

    Why, you are ruining all the fun again

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Malediktus.9250 said:

    @Benjamin Arnold.3457 said:
    A last laugh nerf is coming soon. Keep the feedback coming!

    Why, you are ruining all the fun again

    Either LL is nerf or they are prevented in certain fractal map. Otherwise there's more hate than love from players in general. More players are pugging in fractal, and level of skills varried. The mistlocks itself is good design.. but it's crazy in certain map. And combination of LL with other mistlocks can be very challenging for average group. If the group can not carry weaker player who fail to prove useful then this will end with kicking player out in pug. We don't want this to happen to T4. I believe any CM group (100+kp) can manage any mistlocks better in T4. I am referring to fractal team that dont do CM.
    IMO, LL is nice mistlocks .. funny feature. Not sure what is better.. to completely change its function or keep as it is but avoid it in certain map. We don't have many maps. If certain fractal map is set to have only certain mistlocks variables rotation..Would that work?
    I can understand why the dev wanted to hv mistlocks rotate so to make the map more dynamic feel.. also as we hv new specializations and progress forward in time.. the old fractal or dungeon become too easy to run.. hence something needs to be done to it. Revamp of fractal map is one good way but it takes quite a time to do that.. quite a difficult task.

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  • Lahmia.2193Lahmia.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'd be happy if they kept the damage aspect to last laugh, just the CC is a pain. Especially on multiple kills.
    Social Awkwardness though. Skritt that to the realm of torment and back.

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  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What is the point of instabilities if they do not make the fractal harder, are not annoying and detrimental to common strategies? If you barely notice the instability it is a waste to even have them

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 25, 2018

    Two days ago I didn't play full cm run and did just rec.. joined a team with my husband. I told him.. let's play like old time .. be more considerate and nice .. follow the group pretending we are doing this first time .. if they want to kill every single npc in the map by all means! Let's do it! I was playing healer and my husband is DPS. We had two other Weaver's and one spb... our run in recs I'd say.. ok.. not bad ..No one dies the dps meter says 1 or 2 k from the Weaver's and spb. I don't hv any complain on their dps since the run was ok.. not speed clear tho but not tedious either. Can the same group manage T4? Maybe .. but I don't know .. I think the game success should measure highly on how players play as a team not what build players are running. if the player knows how his class works and play well as a group.. it should work .. or.. do we want to drive fractal only with optimal meta build?

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  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    What is the point of instabilities if they do not make the fractal harder, are not annoying and detrimental to common strategies? If you barely notice the instability it is a waste to even have them

    Exactly, instabilities are bad by design. Because instability A can be unnoticable in one fractal but gamebreaking or frustrating in other. Such mechanics should be designed individually for every map instead of making a bunch of random effects and expect them to work for every fractal.

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