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  • They removed the title from the account in question.

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @AngelsShadow.7360 said:
    They removed the title from the account in question.

    If they really could , they should remove title of known wintraders. I wouldnt call them obviously xD

  • Knopa.8460Knopa.8460 Member ✭✭

    Let me get this clear: anet partner sold his account first, then sold monthly at playing with other anet partners ?

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knopa.8460 said:
    Let me get this clear: anet partner sold his account first, then sold monthly at playing with other anet partners ?

    yes

  • Knopa.8460Knopa.8460 Member ✭✭
    edited March 26, 2018

    So im spending 100s of euros for gems to support the game and Anet push wintraders and accountsellers with that money? Can someone from Anet say something about this decadence? I expect this individuals instantly being removed from partnership without any questions!!

  • Devilman.1532Devilman.1532 Member ✭✭✭

    @Knopa.8460 said:
    So im spending 100s of euros for gems to support the game and Anet push wintraders and accountsellers with that money? Can someone from Anet say something about this decadence? I expect this individuals instantly being removed from partnership without any questions!!

    Never gonna happen. If it was going to it would have long ago.

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @AngelsShadow.7360 said:
    zan isnt partnered iirc

    :(
    I thoughth he had it, he said something about partnership in VN discord long time ago...must be something else

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/ArenaNet_Partner_Program

    There’s the list of current partners. Sind is a partner and was involved.

    Yes, he was very busy banning everyone who dare to mention this fact in discord/twitch ,so far as i heard
    Ty for link

    Np.
    It’s funny too that it’s 2pm EST and no word from the PvP team about taking steps to prevent this and how it will impact partners. @Ben Phongluangtham.1065

    It's only 11:30 PDT, where the PvP team works!

    But seriously, it's a complicated problem and we're talking about it. As Chris mentioned on reddit, I can't really speak to partner status things. I don't run the partner program. I have opened up a dialogue with the marketing team to make sure they are aware of the situation and the PvP team will work with them, should they require more information.

    Edit: Forgot to mention, I'm home with a fever and a sick daughter, so please forgive me if I'm not too quick to respond to questions today!

    Get well soon !

  • @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @AngelsShadow.7360 said:
    zan isnt partnered iirc

    :(
    I thoughth he had it, he said something about partnership in VN discord long time ago...must be something else

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/ArenaNet_Partner_Program

    There’s the list of current partners. Sind is a partner and was involved.

    Yes, he was very busy banning everyone who dare to mention this fact in discord/twitch ,so far as i heard
    Ty for link

    Np.
    It’s funny too that it’s 2pm EST and no word from the PvP team about taking steps to prevent this and how it will impact partners. @Ben Phongluangtham.1065

    It's only 11:30 PDT, where the PvP team works!

    But seriously, it's a complicated problem and we're talking about it. As Chris mentioned on reddit, I can't really speak to partner status things. I don't run the partner program. I have opened up a dialogue with the marketing team to make sure they are aware of the situation and the PvP team will work with them, should they require more information.

    Edit: Forgot to mention, I'm home with a fever and a sick daughter, so please forgive me if I'm not too quick to respond to questions today!

    So the PvP teams work bankers hours? :P

    I hope you and your daughter get to feeling better. Don’t spread the germs!

  • Rufo.3716Rufo.3716 Member ✭✭✭

    Should just rename the game to Cheat Wars. That's basically all this game is right now. Can't remember the last day when I didn't see at least one person cheating in one way or another.

  • Eddbopkins.2630Eddbopkins.2630 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2018

    Yeah acount boosting busted for now....specially for people who got 30k+ ap already....keep up the good work..there alot to be done since the problem been ignored for 5 years...but better late then never...keep it up!!!

    Although i like these people who brake the TOS actaually get baned/deleted 100% from the game. The fact that they do not just goes to show there lack of commitment to there own ideals and lack of authority.

  • @Scary.8034 said:
    Which is also the exact same punishement that people got from wintrading last season.

    They got 3 months of dishonor, not game suspension

  • "permanently blocked"
    "also suspended"

    Do these mean banned or dishonored?

  • Scary.8034Scary.8034 Member ✭✭

    @Randomm.2470 said:

    @Scary.8034 said:
    Which is also the exact same punishement that people got from wintrading last season.

    They got 3 months of dishonor, not game suspension

    oh right i read that wrong, which makes it even worse, if you ask me, I see wintrading as a bigger offense than both of these things.

  • Devilman.1532Devilman.1532 Member ✭✭✭

    this is all meaningless since they will just laugh and do the same thing on alt accounts like they always do when you slap them on the wrist.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @Odik.4587 said:

    @AngelsShadow.7360 said:
    zan isnt partnered iirc

    :(
    I thoughth he had it, he said something about partnership in VN discord long time ago...must be something else

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/ArenaNet_Partner_Program

    There’s the list of current partners. Sind is a partner and was involved.

    Yes, he was very busy banning everyone who dare to mention this fact in discord/twitch ,so far as i heard
    Ty for link

    Np.
    It’s funny too that it’s 2pm EST and no word from the PvP team about taking steps to prevent this and how it will impact partners. @Ben Phongluangtham.1065

    It's only 11:30 PDT, where the PvP team works!

    But seriously, it's a complicated problem and we're talking about it. As Chris mentioned on reddit, I can't really speak to partner status things. I don't run the partner program. I have opened up a dialogue with the marketing team to make sure they are aware of the situation and the PvP team will work with them, should they require more information.

    Edit: Forgot to mention, I'm home with a fever and a sick daughter, so please forgive me if I'm not too quick to respond to questions today!

    As someone that literally sees this every day, hope you both get better soon and thanks for the update.

    @Chris Cleary.8017 thanks for the update.

  • Chris, could you please elaborate as to why certain accounts from the previous ranked season have been only dishonoured (whilst account sharing, manipulating multiple games for both RMT & in-game reward) - But this instance has resulted in both a permanent ban (on one account) and a 3 month suspension on another?

    These punishments seem very inconsistent and don't seem to follow any set of basic rules.
    Can you please explain why your decisions vary so significantly here?

    Thanks.

  • OriOri.8724OriOri.8724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Chris Cleary.8017 said:
    Just giving an update to this situation and an overview of actions that have been handed out:

    Due to account sharing, and a history of RMT purchases, one of the accounts on the winning team has been suspended for 3 months and had all rewards removed from it (for this mAT).. This includes any of the mAT rewards that would have been handed out as one of the winners of this mAT.

    We have permanently blocked the main account of the player responsible for playing on the shared account during the mAT.

    Today we also took action against another one of the accounts on the winning team as well for receiving high value goods from the account that was being shared above during the time it was under shared control. This account was also suspended for 3 months and had all mAT rewards removed from it (for this mAT).

    Again, I would like to reiterate that, while the accounts in question were involved in sketchy practices, had the one player played on their own account, the mAT results would have been the same and there was no impact on in-game gameplay.

    I can't comment on partner status or the partner program, but the partner team has been informed of this action.

    Account boosting in this manner is not acceptable and we will continue to take action against accounts that we catch participating in this kind of behavior.

    This is great, really it is. But when an account is found to have participate din this, you need to be stripping ALL PvP rewards EVER earned by that account that can be stripped.

    Eyyyy I unlocked signatures

  • Rym.1469Rym.1469 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2018

    Blood for the reddit god!

    Yeah, I stream once in a blue moon.

  • Ryan.9387Ryan.9387 Member ✭✭✭

    I appreciate the harsher response. Hopefully this will reduce match fixing and other problems present in pvp.

  • kurfu.5623kurfu.5623 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't PVP, so I have no idea what mAT is... But I am curious as to why ANET is OK with other forms of paid-"carries" (raids, fractals, dungeons, etc...), but this is bannable? Was it because of the account-sharing?

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  • @kurfu.5623 said:
    I don't PVP, so I have no idea what mAT is... But I am curious as to why ANET is OK with other forms of paid-"carries" (raids, fractals, dungeons, etc...), but this is bannable? Was it because of the account-sharing?

    Monthly Atoumated Tournement.

    Bad- account sharing and reports US Dollars were traded to have “carry”.
    Raids are paid with in game currency and at your own risk. This is different.

  • Darknicrofia.2604Darknicrofia.2604 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 26, 2018

    @kurfu.5623 said:
    I don't PVP, so I have no idea what mAT is... But I am curious as to why ANET is OK with other forms of paid-"carries" (raids, fractals, dungeons, etc...), but this is bannable? Was it because of the account-sharing?

    selling raids = 9 guys doing a bit of extra work to finish a group project for the 10th lazy slacker.

    selling mAT = buyer paying a professional test taker to pretend to be him to take the SAT exam FOR him.

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2018

    TBH ANET are their own worst enemy. They have openly allowed the selling of spots, achievements, titles etc for soo long now that this was just an inevitable progression of the exploitation .. I have no sympathy anymore. PvP , WvW and PvE and TP are full of hackers, exploits and outright cheats, but it has just been ignored for so long players no longer fear the consequence of it.
    This kind of cheating and exploitation should of been perma bans all-round .. they were all complicit of the crime but partners and all ehh...
    Best thing genuine players can do now is just ignore the gamemode and find it elsewhere. ANET have shown they do not care about the issues.. 3 months suspension/dishonour.. wow and then it will rear its head, but now players know that the risk/reward are heavily skewed in their favour.
    Whether its in game currency or RMT no achievements, titles or raid/dungeon should be allowed to sold.. its just exploitation of the system.
    Of course taking serious action on hackers, botters, exploiters and outright cheats like these "partners" takes elephant kahuna fortitude and I fear the issue too large and beyond saving.. so easier to keep sweeping it under that dirty old rug.
    Sure some players just choose to ignore it and many simply don't wish to draw attention to it.

    So all we can do now is wave off those players who have been actioned safe in the knowledge they will be back after their extended Easter breaks to do it all over again.

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • mrauls.6519mrauls.6519 Member ✭✭✭✭

    3 months, lmfao. I wish this was April 1. At this point I think anet is afraid to perma ban people.

  • Player.9621Player.9621 Member ✭✭✭

    closing the gate after the bull has bolted

    The pointy end goes in the other man.

  • Lincolnbeard.1735Lincolnbeard.1735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I heard a story about someone who shot a man that ended up dying.
    The judge released the killer because that man had a terminal illness, after declaring: the results would have been the same, so it doesn't matter.

    Fun world we live in eh!

    The degenerate

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Lincolnbeard.1735 said:
    I heard a story about someone who shot a man that ended up dying.
    The judge released the killer because that man had a terminal illness, after declaring: the results would have been the same, so it doesn't matter.

    Fun world we live in eh!

    Pretty sure in most countries you get the full penalty even if you kill a 100 year old man one minute before he dies on his death bed.

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2018

    Nevermind,bad idea

  • SpellOfIniquity.1780SpellOfIniquity.1780 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I've been watching Sindrener on Youtube for quite some time. A part of me believes he or any of R55 could be win traders, but a bigger part of me believes they were experimenting. Sindrener talked about how ANet does nothing to punish win traders and match manipulators quite often. I'm wondering if either they sacrificed themselves to make a point in hopes that ANet would buckle down on this or if they thought since everyone else does it and doesn't get punished, they may as well do it too.

    I'm not necessarily standing up for them, just questioning whether the only point of this was material gain. If it turns out all it was was greed well, tough luck I guess. There will be other great players eventually, the world goes on.

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  • shinta.8906shinta.8906 Member ✭✭✭

    it was not a wintrade...

    they won

    than zan did something with his price only anet can and should judge on after hearing him out.

  • @shinta.8906 said:
    it was not a wintrade...

    they won

    than zan did something with his price only anet can and should judge on after hearing him out.

    Hear him out? For what? He broke ToS, there’s nothing to hear out. He, and his teammates, deserve to be punished just like any other person would be.

  • Odik.4587Odik.4587 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @shinta.8906 said:
    it was not a wintrade...

    they won

    than zan did something with his price only anet can and should judge on after hearing him out.

    Hear him out? For what? He broke ToS, there’s nothing to hear out. He, and his teammates, deserve to be punished just like any other person would be.

    Actually not everyone as in guilt . Some other people didnt know about . They got invited after Zan was in group,so they didnt seen at which account he is playing.

  • @Odik.4587 said:

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    @shinta.8906 said:
    it was not a wintrade...

    they won

    than zan did something with his price only anet can and should judge on after hearing him out.

    Hear him out? For what? He broke ToS, there’s nothing to hear out. He, and his teammates, deserve to be punished just like any other person would be.

    Actually not everyone as in guilt . Some other people didnt know about . They got invited after Zan was in group,so they didnt seen at which account he is playing.

    If you get in a car that is about to be used to rob a bank you are guilty by association. I understand what you’re saying but I also know that there’s a lot going on against ToS, win trading, etc that Anet needs to crack down on and unfortunately to really stop it people who may not be involved but were present will get caught up.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2018

    @arnitheking.8427 said:
    I mean, people act like this affects them on a deeply personal level. What they did ultimately didn't actually affect the games, r55 would have won on any account. The only negative thing for the community is that some guy got (and now lost) an undeserved gizmo and some underserved rewards. Yet ppl everywhere, especially on reddit, loooove getting out their pitchforks because wintrading amirite? Even though wintrading is different and the latter actually DOES affect other people (the 4 other ppl in a wintrader's team) What happened is against the ToS of course, and ANET handled that which is good, but players asking for perma bans on every other account need to take a step back and take a look at who's really directly negatively impacted by this (the answer is no one btw)

    This doesn’t fit the narrative, where’s my downvote button?

    Joking aside, I heard a rumour that people are now taking to harass those involved outside of GW2. What people don’t seem to realise is that they have only themselves to blame for how they feel. If someone feels betrayed by the people involved, regardless of who’s narrative you believe, then it’s your fault for putting trust in someone you’ve never actually met and ultimately don’t really know.

    Don’t get me wrong it’s fine to be disappointed in someone but some are taking this far beyond what is reasonable and smells of fanboyism if not almost creepy infatuation. You can see this attitude developing in other areas where people will venomously defend another person for no reason than they’re a fan of them.

    @Jace al Thor.6745 said:

    If you get in a car that is about to be used to rob a bank you are guilty by association. I understand what you’re saying but I also know that there’s a lot going on against ToS, win trading, etc that Anet needs to crack down on and unfortunately to really stop it people who may not be involved but were present will get caught up.

    Pretty sure it all comes down to intent and proven intent. This is why there’s lots of different classifications for killing someone, you have murder at the top, manslaughter, death by negligence, death by dangerous driving and a whole host of others I am sure exist. You can’t assume guilt by proximity, that is an incredibly slippery slope.

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    @mrauls.6519 said:
    3 months, lmfao. I wish this was April 1. At this point I think anet is afraid to perma ban people.

    Yeah too much in either game mode now to go unchecked. Got to the point they do it because they know nothing will happen to them.

  • Ohoni.6057Ohoni.6057 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Malediktus.9250 said:
    Anet should just remove all exclusive rewards from high end PvP, then people wont have any reason to cheat anymore (acc share, carry, win trade, speed hacks, trolling etc). Percentage wise PvP is for sure the game mode with the highest amount of cheaters. And make those minis, gadgets, titles and armor skins buyable with season currencies.

    People pay to get titles in PvE, if you want to ban someone for doing it in PvP you should do so in PvE.

    YES! Definitely, ban anyone who cheats like this, or offers to abet such cheating.

  • Maat.3940Maat.3940 Member ✭✭
    edited March 27, 2018

    This isn't a small thing at all but so few of you realize the impact that this has on the people involved in the shady behavior. They will return to a game after 3 months (at least the ones that weren't permanently banned) and they will have lost what they cherished the most: Prestige and Respect. Once you loose this there is no possible way to get it back, not fully anyway. It really makes you think about how stuff really works and hopefully this has opened the eyes of many to stop Deifying random people.

  • Lincolnbeard.1735Lincolnbeard.1735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Malediktus.9250 said:

    @Lincolnbeard.1735 said:
    I heard a story about someone who shot a man that ended up dying.
    The judge released the killer because that man had a terminal illness, after declaring: the results would have been the same, so it doesn't matter.

    Fun world we live in eh!

    Pretty sure in most countries you get the full penalty even if you kill a 100 year old man one minute before he dies on his death bed.

    Precisely my point.
    The argument that it doesn't matter because they would have won either way is flawed.

    The degenerate

  • Yasi.9065Yasi.9065 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2018

    @arnitheking.8427 said:
    I mean, people act like this affects them on a deeply personal level. What they did ultimately didn't actually affect the games, r55 would have won on any account. The only negative thing for the community is that some guy got (and now lost) an undeserved gizmo and some underserved rewards. Yet ppl everywhere, especially on reddit, loooove getting out their pitchforks because wintrading amirite? Even though wintrading is different and the latter actually DOES affect other people (the 4 other ppl in a wintrader's team) What happened is against the ToS of course, and ANET handled that which is good, but players asking for perma bans on every other account need to take a step back and take a look at who's really directly negatively impacted by this (the answer is no one btw)

    Thing is: rewardselling itself might be harmless, its debatable, especially consindering those doing the rewardselling now, are the ones demanding better rewards, which in itself makes this whole thing have a really bad taste. However, the message the rest of the pvp community is getting from this, is that the system isnt fair, its rigged and if you have enough rl money you can just buy everything.
    Thats absolute toxic for any kind of competitive gamemode. PvP is dieing, and rewardselling, as well as wintrading hasten its demise, making this whole gamemode into one big kitten joke.

    Yes, I think permaban for such a behaviour is the only possible answer. But I also think Anet has to revise the rewards for AT and tone them down quite a lot, to make such behaviour simply not profittable. Maybe reward that title only until next mAT, then you have to re-earn it. Reduce gold gain drastically, maybe even just remove it... reward tracks are good enough imo to cover costs.

  • Darlgon.9273Darlgon.9273 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2018

    @Maat.3940 said:
    This isn't a small thing at all but so few of you realize the impact that this has on the people involved in the shady behavior. They will return to a game after 3 months (at least the ones that weren't permanently banned) and they will have lost what they cherished the most: Prestige and Respect. Once you loose this there is no possible way to get it back, not fully anyway. It really makes you think about how stuff really works and hopefully this has opened the eyes of many to stop Deifying random people.

    You do realize, with no "naming and shaming", they wont loose either prestige or respect. They will just laugh with their friends the next day after the suspension starts, on their new account. Then, pick up where they left off, when the suspension is up. They tell everyone not their friend, they "took some time off to play another game."

  • @Darlgon.9273 said:

    @Maat.3940 said:
    This isn't a small thing at all but so few of you realize the impact that this has on the people involved in the shady behavior. They will return to a game after 3 months (at least the ones that weren't permanently banned) and they will have lost what they cherished the most: Prestige and Respect. Once you loose this there is no possible way to get it back, not fully anyway. It really makes you think about how stuff really works and hopefully this has opened the eyes of many to stop Deifying random people.

    You do realize, with no "naming and shaming", they wont loose either prestige or respect. They will just laugh with their friends the next day after the suspension starts, on their new account. Then, pick up where they left off, when the suspension is up. They tell everyone not their friend, they "took some time off to play another game."

    Except we do know at least one that was directly involved and another that more than likely knew it was happening

  • Lordrosicky.5813Lordrosicky.5813 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2018

    This is awesome.

    Necromancer 1 trick

  • Lordrosicky.5813Lordrosicky.5813 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2018

    @Chris Cleary.8017 said:
    Just giving an update to this situation and an overview of actions that have been handed out:

    Due to account sharing, and a history of RMT purchases, one of the accounts on the winning team has been suspended for 3 months and had all rewards removed from it (for this mAT).. This includes any of the mAT rewards that would have been handed out as one of the winners of this mAT.

    We have permanently blocked the main account of the player responsible for playing on the shared account during the mAT.

    Today we also took action against another one of the accounts on the winning team as well for receiving high value goods from the account that was being shared above during the time it was under shared control. This account was also suspended for 3 months and had all mAT rewards removed from it (for this mAT).

    Again, I would like to reiterate that, while the accounts in question were involved in sketchy practices, had the one player played on their own account, the mAT results would have been the same and there was no impact on in-game gameplay.

    I can't comment on partner status or the partner program, but the partner team has been informed of this action.

    Account boosting in this manner is not acceptable and we will continue to take action against accounts that we catch participating in this kind of behavior.

    This is barely a punishment but who cares. Its not a big deal imo

    Necromancer 1 trick

  • shinta.8906shinta.8906 Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2018

    Hear him out? For what? He broke ToS, there’s nothing to hear out. He, and his teammates, deserve to be punished just like any other person would be.

    from what hellseth said on his stream the buyer was a long term donor of the pvp scene spending 1k Dollar and more. so after a long time of just giving that guy now asks for a favour in a time the pvp scene is worth nothing and on the ground NOT because of the people involved but because of anet politics and ppls selfesteem problems.

    and now a guy gets asked that made money in this game by playing professional meaning that he allrdy got at some point money for what he accomplished in the game. some may say he earned it. cause if u want to have a professional attitude than make sure ppl can live like that. so this guy now sells his acc. whats the difference rly? he sold his lvl of skill and dedication allrdy on tournaments and that just IS a professonal attitude in any branch. so in a time without compensation for a professional attitude he did what he had to do and acted "in character" - true to himself and true to the attitude that gets u to tournaments and win them.

    so he cashed out his acc. the only currency left for him for a price that is actually a poor comparison for what he accomplished allrdy in the past officially.

    on the other hand u have a thank you to the long term donor and sponsor in times of a shattered pvp scene were that gizmo means nothing rly.

    im sorry i have seen worse behaviour for way way less in every other gamemode multiple times.

    ofc anet needs to act upon their ToS. anet is the ONLY party who got hurt in that transaction - they need to act to safe face. but the lvl of grieve from uninvolved people in such a fashion is just a huge shtshow and the actual damage.

    edit: the example of the car robbing a bank is hilarious. if anything they won a grandprix with a non driver inside the car.