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Why can't we have horse mounts?

We know from NPC dialogue and artwork that horses exist in the world of Tyria. So why don't we see any and why can't we ride them?

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  • foozlesprite.8051foozlesprite.8051 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2018

    I don't think they'd provide any advantage that the other mounts don't, even as far as flavor goes, so I'm not sure what their unique ability could be. I could see a pegasus-like skin being released for the griffon, perhaps, but horses' lack of existence has become something of an in-joke at this point.

    Editing to clarify: I'm not against the idea, if they decide it could fill a niche.

  • Orpheal.8263Orpheal.8263 Member ✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I don't know about you, but a horse seems rather bland and boring, when compared to a flippin' jackal, raptor, or griffon! Still, YMMV! :)

    Let this please decide everbody else for themself what they find "boring"

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  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2018

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I don't know about you, but a horse seems rather bland and boring, when compared to a flippin' jackal, raptor, or griffon!

    "Boring"? :o There is no prouder rider than him/her who dashes across the beautiful landscape on the back of a gracile steed or sturdy war horse. <3

    @foozlesprite.8051 said:
    so I'm not sure what their unique ability could be.

    The raptor already sounds a lot like a horse, so it could be a simple Gem Store skin for it, no? Horses are fast and can make long jumps, so... I would be cool with it. ;)

  • Ruadan.9301Ruadan.9301 Member ✭✭✭

    I still do not know whether I like or dislike the fact that GW2 references horses, yes has none. It's certainly gimmicky and crazy in an amusing way, somewhat meta (in the sense of a game acknowledging being a game (with flaws)), somewhat glitchy. I wouldn't want one as a mount, though, I don't think so. They just pale next to what other mounts we could have, and I do not see any appropriate mastery line for them. And I sort of like that we are this "weird" fantasy game that did /not/ start out with standard horse mounts....

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2018

    @Ruadan.9301 said:
    [...] and I do not see any appropriate mastery line for them.

    See my previous comment. No need to make it a separate mount per se, if that's too much of a hassle. ;) The Primeval Jackal, for instance, also has a different howl than the usual Jackal mount. So simply providing the skin along with a few sound tweaks, et voilà! :)

    And I sort of like that we are this "weird" fantasy game that did /not/ start out with standard horse mounts....

    I miss them dearly in the game. :(

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    Well now, that's a great image! I have to admit, I find it quite satisfyingly fanciful. Thanks of sharing it!

    Heh heh, you provided just the right term: fanciful. I'd like a fancy horse mount! =)

  • Ruadan.9301Ruadan.9301 Member ✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2018

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Ruadan.9301 said:
    [...] and I do not see any appropriate mastery line for them.

    See my previous comment. No need to make it a separate mount per se, if that's too much of a hassle. ;) The Primeval Jackal, for instance, also has a different howl than the usual Jackal mount. So just providing the skin along with a few sound tweaks, et voilà! :)

    And I sort of like that we are this "weird" fantasy game that did /not/ start out with standard horse mounts....

    I miss them dearly in the game. :(

    I really love their willingness to heavily re-skin mounts to look very different (see Springer Mountain Goat skin, which I just adore) and certainly do see where you're coming from, though... maybe we have to wait some more, until we HAVE a mount that really does move like a horse would, and then...? ponders.
    Also yeah, I get that some miss them. :) Maybe next April Fool's will bring horses to Tyria...!

  • @foozlesprite.8051 said:
    so I'm not sure what their unique ability could be.

    The raptor already sounds a lot like a horse, so it could be a simple Gem Store skin for it, no? Horses are fast and can make long jumps, so... I would be cool with it. ;)

    Actually, you're right, a horse could equate to a raptor well. I think the one questionable aspect there would be a dismount skill. I don't think any of the gem store skins change animations, do they? And a horse spinning around to pull enemies in wouldn't really be feasible. But if they did a slightly different special animation for it, like rearing up and stomping into a dismount, it could work.

  • CETheLucid.3964CETheLucid.3964 Member ✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I don't know about you, but a horse seems rather bland and boring, when compared to a flippin' jackal, raptor, or griffon! Still, YMMV! :)

    1000x this. In any other game the default mounts we have would be premium mounts to replace the bland boring horses. The hell with horses. :cookie:

  • Mr Pin.6728Mr Pin.6728 Member ✭✭

    In a world of lightning raptors and flaming griffons a horse seems far too far fetched and exotic to exist...

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vayne.8563 said:
    Well she did. That's what the letters YMMV at the end of the post were. Your mileage may vary.

    I have to admit, as a non-native to the English language, I had to look that up on Urban Dictionary, too. ;)

    @foozlesprite.8051 said:

    @foozlesprite.8051 said:
    so I'm not sure what their unique ability could be.

    The raptor already sounds a lot like a horse, so it could be a simple Gem Store skin for it, no? Horses are fast and can make long jumps, so... I would be cool with it. ;)

    Actually, you're right, a horse could equate to a raptor well.

    Right? :) I was mistaken, though. It's the Ceylon Cut that has the different howl, I think. Anyways, point is: there are different sound effects for some skins, so it's possible.

    I think the one questionable aspect there would be a dismount skill. I don't think any of the gem store skins change animations, do they? And a horse spinning around to pull enemies in wouldn't really be feasible. But if they did a slightly different special animation for it, like rearing up and stomping into a dismount, it could work.

    :+1:

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2018

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:
    1000x this. In any other game the default mounts we have would be premium mounts to replace the bland boring horses. The hell with horses. :cookie:

    I don't really play any other MMO, so why am I forced to live without a horse mount in the one MMO I play? It's not like it would hurt anyone if they made an extra skin available for those who would like to have it. :'(

  • CETheLucid.3964CETheLucid.3964 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:
    1000x this. In any other game the default mounts we have would be premium mounts to replace the bland boring horses. The hell with horses. :cookie:

    I don't really play any other MMO, so why am I forced to live without a horse mount in the one MMO I play? It's not like it would hurt anyone if they made an extra skin available for those who would like to have it. :'(

    You're absolutely right. If they add a horse mount for you I wouldn't lose any sleep (or gems probably unless it's a REALLY impressive cool-looking horse).

    My opinion is that horses would be pretty bland and boring in a world of mounts consisting of raptors, magical sand jackals, griffons, giant bunnies, and massive sea rays you can ride across the water like speed boats.

    If I had to pick a timeline between horses and the mounts we have now, I'm very grateful to be living in the one where raptors are the de facto mount. JMHO.

    Of course if they open that can of worms for you in offering a horse mount, they'll have to add non-mount horses in the world somewhere to complete your request that they exist in the world naturally.

    Maybe in Tyria horses aren't a thing. Or they used to be but they're centaurs now. And no one wants to ride a centaur. They're sentient. It'd be weird and most of them hate everyone anyway.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:
    Of course if they open that can of worms for you in offering a horse mount, they'll have to add non-mount horses in the world somewhere to complete your request that they exist in the world naturally.

    It's not "my request", it's a fact. They are being mentioned in NPC dialogue. Just stand by the entry gate in DR and listen to the two NPCs. You will know what I mean when you hear it.

    Maybe in Tyria horses aren't a thing.

    They certainly are. My theory is that they did not add any visible to us, because back then mounts did not exist in the game and everyone would have been begging for them to make those horses available as such. That would have resulted in a lot of pressure. That's why we don't see any in the open world.

  • Vagrant.7206Vagrant.7206 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Personally, I want a giant kitty to ride... Jackal -> Sand Lion skin anyone?

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  • Justine.6351Justine.6351 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2018

    Guild Wars 1 Necrid Horseman.
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  • CETheLucid.3964CETheLucid.3964 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @CETheLucid.3964 said:
    Of course if they open that can of worms for you in offering a horse mount, they'll have to add non-mount horses in the world somewhere to complete your request that they exist in the world naturally.

    It's not "my request", it's a fact. They are being mentioned in NPC dialogue. Just stand by the entry gate in DR and listen to the two NPCs. You will know what I mean when you hear it.

    Maybe in Tyria horses aren't a thing.

    They certainly are. My theory is that they did not add any visible to us, because back then mounts did not exist in the game and everyone would have been begging for them to make those horses available as such. That would have resulted in a lot of pressure. That's why we don't see any in the open world.

    Fair enough.

  • Blackarps.1974Blackarps.1974 Member ✭✭✭

    Doesn't BDO have elephants? That's pretty awesome! Give them an ability to "Charge" that melts CC bars and knocks down those in front of it.

  • A horse dismount could include some kind of roping animation to represent the pulling in.

    If done as a seperate mount, I'd see it a little faster than raptor, and more hp, but no extreme jumps.

  • MithranArkanere.8957MithranArkanere.8957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I don't know about you, but a horse seems rather bland and boring, when compared to a flippin' jackal, raptor, or griffon! Still, YMMV! :)

    And let's not forget: Charr ate all the horses.

    There may be horses, but we'll never see them anywhere in a playable map where a charr can enter, since charr around horses are like decapodian around anchovies. Everyone knows that.

  • Ceit.7619Ceit.7619 Member ✭✭✭

    I'd say horses are kinda irrelevant to the setting. They are not useful enough for anything in a world of waypoints, let alone raptors, jackals and springers.

  • BobbyT.7192BobbyT.7192 Member ✭✭✭

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I don't know about you, but a horse seems rather bland and boring, when compared to a flippin' jackal, raptor, or griffon! Still, YMMV! :)

    seeing as a horse so far is rarer than the elder dragons, i would think a horse in gw2 context would be pretty exciting

  • Emerz.5913Emerz.5913 Member ✭✭

    As much as I love the GW2 mounts, I have a soft spot for horses and am still holding out that they might be introduced back to Guild Wars one day. Perhaps a village/tribe somewhere noticed that they were dying off and decided to save the species. Then we stumble upon them in one of the next expansions? Our current mounts are amazing and were implemented really well (arguably some of the best mounts I've had in any MMO), which only makes me more excited to see what they could come up with in regards to other possible mounts/horses.

    Been there. Done that.

  • Avador.8934Avador.8934 Member ✭✭✭

    My two cents:

    1, Horses have no super abilities I know of, so they would be pretty useless compared to other mounts we have (unless they are some kind of magical horses of course!).
    2, Imagine a Charr riding a horse... it's like riding your dinner.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Avador.8934 said:
    My two cents:

    1, Horses have no super abilities I know of, so they would be pretty useless compared to other mounts we have

    I don't care. As I stated before, they could introduce them as a skin for raptors (read previous comments for details), or they could make them an additional core Tyrian mastery track with the horse only making you move faster and nothing else. I want them for aesthetic reasons. All the current mounts are totally overkill and partially childish in design (sometimes less is more).

    2, Imagine a Charr riding a horse... it's like riding your dinner.

    Like it doesn't already look ridiculous when a muscular Charr is sitting on a Jackal, for instance. Just the other week, someone looked at my Charr warrior on his Jackal and commented in amusement, "Shouldn't the Jackal be riding the Charr, and not the other way round?"

  • I would really like the short, stocky, six-legged ponies ridden by the Deftmenes in the Carpet people. They should have stability (because six legs), loads of hair, and a grumpy sod-you attitude. Or if you want to go elegant, something like a traditional unicorn i.e. with the lion's tail, cloven hooves and billy-goat's beard. It should probably have some sort of war cry/scream followed by a charge. Or a drum horse, i.e. a huge heavy horse carrying two huge drums- traditionally used for keeping the army marching in time, but could be some sort of sonic attack?

    Horses boring? Pffft. Just badly (or blandly) done in other games! :)

  • The closest thing to horses in GW1 were the https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Necrid_Horseman , but they were undead. My theory then was that all the real horses were long dead, leaving behind the monsters and the stories of horses in the same vein as the dodo and moa bird today; they existed but are extinct.

  • MithranArkanere.8957MithranArkanere.8957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Random Object.1298 said:
    The closest thing to horses in GW1 were the https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Necrid_Horseman , but they were undead. My theory then was that all the real horses were long dead, leaving behind the monsters and the stories of horses in the same vein as the dodo and moa bird today; they existed but are extinct.

    I bet that's why Charr went all the way to Orr instead sticking to Ascalon minding their own business. They wanted to eat those horses too.

    Oh, and there's also Kirin. They are horse-like, but if one looks closely they appear to be reptilian or draconic creatures with scales and fins.

  • DarcShriek.5829DarcShriek.5829 Member ✭✭✭

    @MithranArkanere.8957 said:

    @Gaile Gray.6029 said:
    I don't know about you, but a horse seems rather bland and boring, when compared to a flippin' jackal, raptor, or griffon! Still, YMMV! :)

    And let's not forget: Charr ate all the horses.

    There may be horses, but we'll never see them anywhere in a playable map where a charr can enter, since charr around horses are like decapodian around anchovies. Everyone knows that.

    There’s a girl in Beetltun that wants a pony for her birthday

  • I'd much prefer a moa mount as they are present in Tyria--especially the Green Moa. The added bonus is that rangers can have many moas as pets and mounting/dismounting is less jarring.

    I agree with @Oldirtbeard.9834 and @Random Object.1298. Horses have been extinct for centuries and riding them would be like riding centaurs. I'm sure none of the war-mongering or peaceful tribes would much appreciate it. Humans have enough things catered towards them (ex. armour, hairtyles) for them to get racial mounts, too. :sweat:

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  • Alga.6498Alga.6498 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It would be awesome to ride a beautiful horse! I would love that rather than the Raptor, anyday and anytime!

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  • Alimar.8760Alimar.8760 Member ✭✭✭

    A horse mount could have sustained sprint instead of a leap. Allowing us to cover more ground faster? (75% speed increase or something)

  • A Horse could be useful. you could make it a mount where you could put armor on it and actually use it in combat, sort of like the Beastmaster mode of soulbeast with the mount able to take separate damage based on the armor it has.

  • RMD.2957RMD.2957 Member ✭✭

    Weren't horses extinct in Tyria? To the point they're considered mythological?

    Might have been a conversation I had somewhere else then.

  • Batel.9206Batel.9206 Member ✭✭✭

    @RMD.2957 said:
    Weren't horses extinct in Tyria? To the point they're considered mythological?

    Might have been a conversation I had somewhere else then.

    Horses are not extinct. The book Edge of Destiny (which takes place six years before the game's personal story begins) has a scene where several characters notice wild horses running across a grassy plain - and nobody is surprised, meaning they all know what horses are and it's not an unusual sight.

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