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AFK farming and reports (merged)

LaHire.5934LaHire.5934 Member ✭✭
edited August 14, 2018 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Hello ladies and gents,

I was just questionning myself on the general opinion of AFK farming in GW2 !

I keep coming accross those, generally in the same spots, tickets dont seem to be doing much(yet ! ->second one on the way), there's no related feature in the report options as well, so is it just me making a huge thing out of it or should we stick together to eradicate it ?
Should I drop a map message once in a while to target those for a mass report ? I never see anyone talking about it, people walk by and don't seem to be bothered by it...

I totally expect some salty messages from people who uses the necro mechanic or are friends with someone who does, but honestly, shame on you ! This is an exploit, that we should be able to report swiftly, tickets should'nt be needed...

So what's your opinion on the subject ? Should we leave them in peace, letting them run the economy with loot's they didnt even work for ? Or should we just ram them like crows on a rotten carcace ?

La Hire

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  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's not allowed but unless they remove minions (probably ranger pets 2) from the game it won't change.

    And it's not that profitable or damaging to the economy. (Unless there's a farm spot i'm unaware of)

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  • sitarskee.5738sitarskee.5738 Member ✭✭✭

    Last time I was in those ruins there were easily 30+ people standing on each other with engi turrets spammed all around. I know it is not a huge damage to the economy but still any income earned that way is unfair towards players who do not do that. I think Anet should really address that problem especially with many new players coming. It is in that certain area also problematic for people who want to do the heart since all ghosts are insta killed by idiots afk farming.

  • Urud.4925Urud.4925 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The loot has been nerfed a lot in that area (I got "only" 2 radiant dusts before completing my heart with a new character, 2 days ago). And that quest took A LOT, much more than other quests. It was really boring.
    But there are also other spots (for example in Timberline Falls, behind the Asuran lab there's a cave with Grawls, very often some necro is farming afk, quite hidden). Iirc Anet said that this is fine, unless they are using some forbidden macro. I also don't like them, but I don't think we can report them :/

  • Cregath.7628Cregath.7628 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't really see the reason for all the rage. If AFK farming was actually efficient (which is definitely not the case) or blocked people out of something (which is also not the case, since you can complete a heart event multiple ways) I would understand it. Someone who tries to farm the same area and is in front of his screen and is doing something still farms the same stuff more efficiently, so honestly I don't care.

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  • Honestly couldn't care less. I get on, play the game the way that I want to, run with the friends that I want to, and then I leave the game for the evening. Been on for about two and half years now, have 2 accounts with at least 9 level 80's between them, and I can't say that it has really impacted me at all. Well, the nerf to the turret farm in Lake Dorric hurt, but I was running around that with my tempest and lightning-whipping the centaurs to death.

    If I might make a suggestion: You are responsible for your happiness. If you let everyone else decide your happiness for you, you will be perpetually unhappy. Find someone doing something that you don't like...take a deep breath, remember it is a game filled with lots of other imperfect people and move on to something else. It's a big game and there is plenty to do, so, just go have fun. And kill something. Or lots of somethings. Life is really too short to let dorks get you down.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sitarskee.5738 said:
    Last time I was in those ruins there were easily 30+ people standing on each other with engi turrets spammed all around. I know it is not a huge damage to the economy but still any income earned that way is unfair towards players who do not do that. I think Anet should really address that problem especially with many new players coming. It is in that certain area also problematic for people who want to do the heart since all ghosts are insta killed by idiots afk farming.

    And 26 of those people didn't get squat because the mobs died in a few hits from a handful of players' turrets.

    One of the problems is that people overestimate the impact that these farmers have. I have seen the SAME handful of necros standing in Malchor's farming sparks for two years now ... Are my charged lodestones 50s yet? Not a chance. They just aren't that big a deal to waste time on.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:
    It's not allowed but unless they remove minions (probably ranger pets 2) from the game it won't change.

    And it's not that profitable or damaging to the economy. (Unless there's a farm spot i'm unaware of)

    Lol … if it's not that profitable they wouldn't be doing it in the numbers they do.. of course it is and yes it does have an effect on the economy.
    MMO minion hacks is back in full force, you only have to read a few of the hacker forum sites to know that.
    The ban wave appears to of been little more than ANET's annual PR exercise to show face..

    Unless they begin to take this more seriously it will just get out of control again fast, it spoils the game for many of us. and by serious I mean proper perma bans along with any alt accounts they also have I say.

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  • Endless Soul.5178Endless Soul.5178 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I've given up reporting since Anet does nothing about this leeching.

    There was someone on reddit a few months ago who bragged about how he got 50 gold a day doing this (for several hours at a time), so it is somewhat profitable.

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  • Neural.1824Neural.1824 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @derd.6413 said:
    It's not allowed but unless they remove minions (probably ranger pets 2) from the game it won't change.

    And it's not that profitable or damaging to the economy. (Unless there's a farm spot i'm unaware of)

    Charged lodestones were over 6g a piece a year ago at the time AFK farming took an upward trend. It does effect the economy.

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  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2018

    @Turin.6921 said:
    Guys Anet's stance on the matter is very clear. If you are still on your keyboard while you are idling and you manually renew everything it is not considered AFK farming and it is allowed. Anet checks this by talking a look on the typical farming places and whispering players to validate that they are actually on their keyboard. Stop reporting people for no reason and do not harass them with comments for sth that is officially allowed.

    Lol .. yeah of course they do.. the ones i've been reporting for 6-12 months suddenly disappeared with the ban wave.. now a new set have arrived in the exact same spots... and they have been there a few weeks already... guess the dvd must be stuck or its just a really, really, really long film they are watching. Like the ones in Queensdale farming the bandit camp of all places for months now.. maybe they have been watching High Noon to many times.
    But like Endless said, its just a pointless exercise imo ANET prefer to ignore the issue long enough for maps to become infested yet again and maybe next year they will make a gesture once more. Failing to act just emboldens the cheats that much more.

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  • Klowdy.3126Klowdy.3126 Member ✭✭✭

    I sometimes feel like people think I'm afk farming. I was at a small hut area the other day, doing a heart to get my griffon mount (got it =P), and I had to step away after finishing an event. I came back almost an hour later, and I had several reward chests for being in the area of the event I had finished before I walked away. I was next the the heart vendor, so I thought I was in a safe zone, but I guess it becomes a little gray during that event. I'm just a guardian, though, so no pet to tag mobs, and no auto loot.

  • Deaths.9165Deaths.9165 Member ✭✭
    edited June 12, 2018

    well the original forum post of chris cleary is unforzunatly gone with the old forum. Ill give u guys the reddit post of some user who copy pasted his post.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4jwa6s/afk_farming_not_allowed_unless_you_are/

    Chirs Cleary said:

    Qote>>> I’ll pitch in on this thread, as there seems to be some confusion about this situation.

    The auto-cast feature was never intended to be used as an AFK farming mechanism, and usage of the auto-cast feature while AFK is fine as long as it is not used to facilitate unattended gameplay.
    
    Mastery auto-loot also stopping players from being flagged afk seems like a bug instead of a feature, and I’ll be sure to bring it up today while we have a chat about this internally.
    
        Using skill (1 or more) while AFK
        AFKing in a place where it is beneficial for your character to be at
        Unresponsive to interaction with GMs
    
    If all 3 of these apply to what you are doing, you may get actioned for it."
    

    <<<Qute

    Unfotunitly alot of ppl using this methode dont understand that u are using electircity to fire up ur pc. Electricity costs money. ANd meanwhile u farm gold u could by same amount of Gold with the usage of the electricity money (sry its late here my english is broken)

  • Deepcuts.9740Deepcuts.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    I do not see a way to report people who buy gems with real money, then buying all the radiant dust from the market, creating a real advantage for them and a real disadvantage for me when need to buy radiant dust!
    They don't even have to be afk at all! Just input CC details and bam!
    Wait, I never buy radiant dust...

  • Dreamy Lu.3865Dreamy Lu.3865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What I will never understand about afk farming is: Where is the fun? I mean, we come in a game to play it right? How can standing in front of a keyboard doing nothing for hours, apart from pressing a key once in a while be playing? And how can one get any feeling of pride/satisfaction, at earning stuff that way? It is beyond my understanding.

    My very personal opinion: Those players misuse the weakness of a game feature to increase own benefit. This is cheating. Such arguments like "it has no impact on the game economy", "they are not really afk" and "it is not against the rules" are true on the paper, yes, but in the facts, they are nothing else than poor justifications of a not very fair behavior.

    Now as long as some players find it normal, and get fun at that, since it does - indeed - not break the rules, there is not much that can be done about it.

    Now to avoid misunderstanding: Aside of my opinion, in the facts, I don't care about afk farmers. At the beginning, when I saw the first ones, years ago, it was upsetting me a bit. But by now, I have accepted that it is part of the game and just ignore it. I mean, if they like it, since it is OK, why not? Me I don't go for it. Each shall choose for him/herself. I have two friends who have no other fun in games than to find out how they can misuse/trick those to earn more and faster of the available currencies/goodies. We talk regularly about it and that's how I know and accept that there are many different way to look at it. :)

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  • mauried.5608mauried.5608 Member ✭✭✭

    This problem cant really be fixed, unless ANET removes pets from the game , or removes the autoattack function from the keys, or prevents looting if the pets do the damage.
    They are unlikely to remove any of these..
    Any other methods can be easily defeated, if the AFK player wants too.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2018

    @Neural.1824 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    It's not allowed but unless they remove minions (probably ranger pets 2) from the game it won't change.

    And it's not that profitable or damaging to the economy. (Unless there's a farm spot i'm unaware of)

    Charged lodestones were over 6g a piece a year ago at the time AFK farming took an upward trend. It does effect the economy.

    No they weren’t. The highest that they have ever gotten was a little over 4G briefly near the end of 2014. They were less than 2G a year ago.

  • Omyrah.7389Omyrah.7389 Member ✭✭

    I'd have much less of a problem with them (AFK or idle) if they would at least stop farming in heart areas. Makes it really frustrating to try and get something done when there are so many people putting turrets and minions everywhere and killing everything.

  • anonymous.7812anonymous.7812 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Neural.1824 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    It's not allowed but unless they remove minions (probably ranger pets 2) from the game it won't change.

    And it's not that profitable or damaging to the economy. (Unless there's a farm spot i'm unaware of)

    Charged lodestones were over 6g a piece a year ago at the time AFK farming took an upward trend. It does effect the economy.

    No they weren’t. The highest that they have ever gotten was a little over 4G briefly near the end of 2014. They were less than 2G a year ago.

    Not only that, but the ONLY thing that significantly dropped the price on these are Pact Scout's Mapping Materials. Probably 10,000x more impactful than a few idle-farmers.

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    This is loosely related but the domain of istan meta events the afk turret thing is being used there as well by so many people that it breaks line of sight because players never let the npcs ever get in melee range before they are melted down. So I am hoping anet does something possibly like a siege cap in wvw where there is a limit to their turret spam so you can still get on another class and tag the targets. Roughly though the turrets need a redesign or removed and replaced with something useful because all players do with it is cause trouble for other players especially since they started it with lake doric we don't need a treb in the great hall.

  • Mewcifer.5198Mewcifer.5198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dreamy Lu.3865 said:
    What I will never understand about afk farming is: Where is the fun? I mean, we come in a game to play it right? How can standing in front of a keyboard doing nothing for hours, apart from pressing a key once in a while be playing? And how can one get any feeling of pride/satisfaction, at earning stuff that way? It is beyond my understanding.

    My very personal opinion: Those players misuse the weakness of a game feature to increase own benefit. This is cheating. Such arguments like "it has no impact on the game economy", "they are not really afk" and "it is not against the rules" are true on the paper, yes, but in the facts, they are nothing else than poor justifications of a not very fair behavior.

    Now as long as some players find it normal, and get fun at that, since it does - indeed - not break the rules, there is not much that can be done about it.

    Now to avoid misunderstanding: Aside of my opinion, in the facts, I don't care about afk farmers. At the beginning, when I saw the first ones, years ago, it was upsetting me a bit. But by now, I have accepted that it is part of the game and just ignore it. I mean, if they like it, since it is OK, why not? Me I don't go for it. Each shall choose for him/herself. I have two friends who have no other fun in games than to find out how they can misuse/trick those to earn more and faster of the available currencies/goodies. We talk regularly about it and that's how I know and accept that there are many different way to look at it. :)

    It isn't fun. It is sort of a trade off. Less income than actively farming, and less engaging than playing more entertaining content. I don't think anyone who farms this way considers it fun or that there is any sense of pride. I've done it a bit on days where my wrist is hurting too much to actively play. I can sit and chat with map or my guild while gaining a minor amount of income. Sometimes I have some snacks as well.

    I don't see how it can be viewed as unfair or how it can even remotely be considered cheating.

  • See a bunch of necro's on the corner and automatically assume they're do'in wrong "CALL THE COPS ON THOSE NECROS!!!.

  • LaHire.5934LaHire.5934 Member ✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    @Patchwreck.2357 said:
    See a bunch of necro's on the corner and automatically assume they're do'in wrong "CALL THE COPS ON THOSE NECROS!!!.

    Give me a break with your sarcasm, we all know what 3-4+ necro, stacked on a predetermined/popular spot for rare materials farming, are currently doing,
    I find it very annoying, since the vast majority of the people are actually working to progress(economically) in this game, while some others exploit some of the poorly designed mechanics to enrich themselves, while doing NOTHING. This couldn't be more clear.
    We should be able to report them swiftly, and be done with it. I don't plan on writing tickets over and over, even less considering the vague/ridiculous answers I receive, it almost feels like a copy-pasted message.

    I understand people wanting to take a break... but thats life man, money doesn't fill your pockets when you are sleeping or eating or smoking, you've got to work for it, period.

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @hugo.4705 said:
    When I come here to farm 10 dusts for scribing and making decos, I'm annoyed and can't farm them because of 20 necros minions or turrets on them.

    If that's your only problem, then just grab your dust elsewhere. Dust for example drops frequently from all kinds of branded creatures. Go into the branded areas of Fields of Ruin or southern Blazeridge, and you'll have your 10 radiant dust in a few minutes. Same with northern Blazeridge or Iron Marches for luminous dust. I stumbled through there looking for dust for a gift of energy just this last weekend, and I was surprised how quickly the dust gathered in my inventory.

  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:
    Like the ones in Queensdale farming the bandit camp of all places for months now..

    My husband started playing GW2 a couple of weeks ago (after almost 6 years of our daughters and myself telling him how great the game is 8) ), and he had his first run-in with an afk minion necro in that cave just a couple of days ago. He was going through the cave, killing bandits left and right (for their bags, as he doesn't have much gold to grab crafting materials for his leveling ftp character from the trading post yet), and got whispered by the afk necro and threatened to be reported because the veteran in said cave, once in combat, decided to attack the afk necro rather than my husband fighting the other bandits a couple of times 8) .

    Despite being a veteran of several MMOs, he had to ask me if this was a usual occurance in this game and if he had anything to fear for being reported (for killing mobs near an afk player ;) ).

  • costepj.5120costepj.5120 Member ✭✭✭

    how did an afk player whisper him? Did he just hear a voice in his head?

    So long and thanks for all the Skritt

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Passive gameplay is allowed. Automated gameplay is not. However you, as a player, have no tools to judge. Apparently, neither do devs as their method of detection is whispering people. If you are uncertain, just report everyone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • ProverbsofHell.2307ProverbsofHell.2307 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Honestly yeah, it's total BS. It DOES harm the economy, and it DOES harm other players.

    I used to farm Elaborate Totems, manually. They were like 24 silver each, and I would load up on magic find food, get a boost etc and go to my farm spot. I'd run around killing any mobs and it was decent money, until I started noticing dreaded Minion Masters standing in a certain spot (just the right place to get their pets to quickly tag and kill the maximized amount of mobs). They were doing the same thing as me, except I was putting in real effort and time, while they were AFK abusing a game mechanic.

    How much are Elaborate Totems now? 10 silver.

    Tell me more about how it doesn't hurt the economy or players.

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:
    Like the ones in Queensdale farming the bandit camp of all places for months now..

    My husband started playing GW2 a couple of weeks ago (after almost 6 years of our daughters and myself telling him how great the game is 8) ), and he had his first run-in with an afk minion necro in that cave just a couple of days ago. He was going through the cave, killing bandits left and right (for their bags, as he doesn't have much gold to grab crafting materials for his leveling ftp character from the trading post yet), and got whispered by the afk necro and threatened to be reported because the veteran in said cave, once in combat, decided to attack the afk necro rather than my husband fighting the other bandits a couple of times 8) .

    Despite being a veteran of several MMOs, he had to ask me if this was a usual occurance in this game and if he had anything to fear for being reported (for killing mobs near an afk player ;) ).

    Guessing that was not an AFK farmer but someone taking a timeout answering a call of nature or a phone call etc..

    AFK necro's will be using precision timed auto cast skills and using their minions to farm fast respawn mobs.. they want mobs coming at them for that reason. So the fact your husband got a whisper at all and a complaint about bringing the veteran on to the necro suggests this was not an afk farmer.

    The ones in the bandit camp that have been farming it are known to a few of us and their alts that they hive around the same spots.. just report what you see as botting and then ANET might someday take a look at it and make a judgement call.. but don't hold your breath.

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  • costepj.5120costepj.5120 Member ✭✭✭

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    Honestly yeah, it's total BS. It DOES harm the economy, and it DOES harm other players.

    I used to farm Elaborate Totems, manually. They were like 24 silver each, and I would load up on magic find food, get a boost etc and go to my farm spot. I'd run around killing any mobs and it was decent money, until I started noticing dreaded Minion Masters standing in a certain spot (just the right place to get their pets to quickly tag and kill the maximized amount of mobs). They were doing the same thing as me, except I was putting in real effort and time, while they were AFK abusing a game mechanic.

    How much are Elaborate Totems now? 10 silver.

    Tell me more about how it doesn't hurt the economy or players.

    But you are looking at it from the perspective of a producer rather than a consumer. If you need Elaborate Totems it's a really good thing if they are now lower in price. Either way I would not consider the economy ruined because certain items are now cheaper.

    So long and thanks for all the Skritt

  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    Honestly yeah, it's total BS. It DOES harm the economy, and it DOES harm other players.

    I used to farm Elaborate Totems, manually. They were like 24 silver each, and I would load up on magic find food, get a boost etc and go to my farm spot. I'd run around killing any mobs and it was decent money, until I started noticing dreaded Minion Masters standing in a certain spot (just the right place to get their pets to quickly tag and kill the maximized amount of mobs). They were doing the same thing as me, except I was putting in real effort and time, while they were AFK abusing a game mechanic.

    How much are Elaborate Totems now? 10 silver.

    Tell me more about how it doesn't hurt the economy or players.

    Their current price is 19s/20s actually, not 10s but what makes you think that the drop in Elaborate Totem price was caused by AFK farmers rather than a general lack of sinks for them and a drop in the price of Cleric's exotics?

    For example, you can buy a full set of Mhenlo's exotic Cleric light armour for less than 2g whereas a single Cleric's Intricate Gossamer Insignia costs over 5g.

  • Chay.7852Chay.7852 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't think its okay that someone who doesn't play the game properly is getting any sort of loot.
    But this is happening for a long time meanwhile. I do report them - cause there is not more that i can do - but it is ANet's decision to do or not to do something in this case. I keep seeing these "afk-necros" in many places so i doubt something really happens. Look at the ibogas (wherever you have iboga groups - you have some necros afk-ing there).
    I even saw a group of them stacking at the broodmother champion in Frostgorge Sound. I mean... other ppl organise themselves in groups to kill those champs or kill them alone for the fun or what-ever. I dont think "its working as intended" that someone who is watching netflix or is simply not in front of the computer should be rewarded for having some skills on auto cast.
    And imho removing the loot from certain (farmed) mobs (like Bitterfrost spiders) is not the answer - it cant be.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rasimir.6239 said:
    If that's your only problem, then just grab your dust elsewhere.

    I think the point is that one shouldn't have to...?

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Patchwreck.2357Patchwreck.2357 Member ✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    @LaHire.5934 said:

    @Patchwreck.2357 said:
    See a bunch of necro's on the corner and automatically assume they're do'in wrong "CALL THE COPS ON THOSE NECROS!!!.

    Give me a break with your sarcasm, we all know what 3-4+ necro, stacked on a predetermined/popular spot for rare materials farming, are currently doing,
    I find it very annoying, since the vast majority of the people are actually working to progress(economically) in this game, while some others exploit some of the poorly designed mechanics to enrich themselves, while doing NOTHING. This couldn't be more clear.
    We should be able to report them swiftly, and be done with it. I don't plan on writing tickets over and over, even less considering the vague/ridiculous answers I receive, it almost feels like a copy-pasted message.

    I understand people wanting to take a break... but thats life man, money doesn't fill your pockets when you are sleeping or eating or smoking, you've got to work for it, period.

    I don't know all the necros or if any are botting their answers but mods check on us all the time and if we don't respond you either get logged or in trouble. I've talked to mods before and they say inactive farming is ok as long as you are present you're not afk. As far as I know most necros are split screening kids videos/reading and chatting with guildies. If people ask I say afk farming as a short answer but I that's only if he's sleeping otherwise the few responses I give people wile he's awake I use on my guilds. I think I make about 3 gold a day on average if I play like that most of the day but random good drops can push it up a few gold every once and a wile. Its either this or watch people come and go at the bank.

    They just did a sweep of botters and I didn't notice any necros vanish so I'd assume they are all parents that you are seeing.

    See a bunch of necro's on the corner and automatically assume they're do'in wrong "CALL THE COPS ON THOSE NECROS!!!. So Na Na Na Na Na it still fits.

    Edit: They also like to turn off everyone's pets from time to time to see if we're paying attention.

  • ProverbsofHell.2307ProverbsofHell.2307 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Pifil.5193 said:

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    Honestly yeah, it's total BS. It DOES harm the economy, and it DOES harm other players.

    I used to farm Elaborate Totems, manually. They were like 24 silver each, and I would load up on magic find food, get a boost etc and go to my farm spot. I'd run around killing any mobs and it was decent money, until I started noticing dreaded Minion Masters standing in a certain spot (just the right place to get their pets to quickly tag and kill the maximized amount of mobs). They were doing the same thing as me, except I was putting in real effort and time, while they were AFK abusing a game mechanic.

    How much are Elaborate Totems now? 10 silver.

    Tell me more about how it doesn't hurt the economy or players.

    Their current price is 19s/20s actually, not 10s but what makes you think that the drop in Elaborate Totem price was caused by AFK farmers rather than a general lack of sinks for them and a drop in the price of Cleric's exotics?

    For example, you can buy a full set of Mhenlo's exotic Cleric light armour for less than 2g whereas a single Cleric's Intricate Gossamer Insignia costs over 5g.

    Oh... my bad. I said Elaborate Totems, but I meant ENGRAVED Totems (T4).

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    Honestly yeah, it's total BS. It DOES harm the economy, and it DOES harm other players.

    I used to farm Elaborate Totems, manually. They were like 24 silver each, and I would load up on magic find food, get a boost etc and go to my farm spot. I'd run around killing any mobs and it was decent money, until I started noticing dreaded Minion Masters standing in a certain spot (just the right place to get their pets to quickly tag and kill the maximized amount of mobs). They were doing the same thing as me, except I was putting in real effort and time, while they were AFK abusing a game mechanic.

    How much are Elaborate Totems now? 10 silver.

    Tell me more about how it doesn't hurt the economy or players.

    Do you have any source proving that drop of price is caused exclusively by AFK farming? (spoiler: you don't). Game economy died after PoF and it has NOTHING to do with AFK farming. It's too uncommon and too slow.

  • ProverbsofHell.2307ProverbsofHell.2307 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    If you think someone is engaged in AFK farming, report them (either via the in-game /report tool, using 'botting' from the pull down or via a support ticket). And then let ANet figure out whether it's an issue. It's up to them, not us, to determine whether there's an issue detrimental to the game.


    • Absent farming: not allowed.
    • Inattentive farming: allowed

    It is usually impossible for players to determine which of the above is going on. The testing involves: does the player respond to official whispers and/or if a Game Master moves their character, do they notice (and if so, how do they respond)?

    In my opinion, they should change pet behaviour so that pets will only ever attack if the pet owner has used at least one skill in combat.

  • ReaverKane.7598ReaverKane.7598 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    If you think someone is engaged in AFK farming, report them (either via the in-game /report tool, using 'botting' from the pull down or via a support ticket). And then let ANet figure out whether it's an issue. It's up to them, not us, to determine whether there's an issue detrimental to the game.


    • Absent farming: not allowed.
    • Inattentive farming: allowed

    It is usually impossible for players to determine which of the above is going on. The testing involves: does the player respond to official whispers and/or if a Game Master moves their character, do they notice (and if so, how do they respond)?

    What's more efficient? Outright banning the practice, or having to waste man-hours testing their behaviour manually?
    It does have an impact on players and Arena Net has shown time and time again that it doesn't matter that much to them if it has an impact on players as long as it's not overly impacting their bottom line.

    It took months of constant outrage and complaints in the forum, to get a batch of token suspensions... They perma-banned people for exploiting a NPC that was underpricing it's items at launch, but these people have been proven to have used hacks, will be allowed to return in 4 months from now.

    Long gone are the days of @Chris Cleary.8017 publically "executing" cheaters.

  • Lambent.6375Lambent.6375 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2018

    Only thing that annoys me about idle farmers is anet stealth nerfing drop rates in some areas due to them. (Allegedly)

    @FOX.3582 said:
    A freaking chair. Woah. I personally can't wait to buy a gem store CHAIR, so all my characters can SIT around in Tyria while other players see me, SITTING there, looking like a [email protected] ...

  • SlippyCheeze.5483SlippyCheeze.5483 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @ReaverKane.7598 said:

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:
    If you think someone is engaged in AFK farming, report them (either via the in-game /report tool, using 'botting' from the pull down or via a support ticket). And then let ANet figure out whether it's an issue. It's up to them, not us, to determine whether there's an issue detrimental to the game.


    • Absent farming: not allowed.
    • Inattentive farming: allowed

    It is usually impossible for players to determine which of the above is going on. The testing involves: does the player respond to official whispers and/or if a Game Master moves their character, do they notice (and if so, how do they respond)?

    What's more efficient? Outright banning the practice, or having to waste man-hours testing their behaviour manually?

    That's easy: spending a few staff hours testing behavior. Because if it really mattered to the game, they would change the policy and the policing methods.

    Yah, this. So much this. If your assumption is that the ANet staff have not thought long and hard about this, or that they have not debated every one of these ideas at length, or that they have not investigated actual numbers to base their decisions on, you ... should probably reconsider the assumption. Assume they are smart, motivated, and want what is best for the game. (Which doesn't mean always right, or that their idea of what is best is always right, but they try.)

    We know their decision. We don't know why, or what considerations went into it, but we can be confident there was a why, not just a coin flip.

    but these people have been proven to have used hacks, will be allowed to return in 4 months from now.

    Again, apples & refrigerators. People who had one of several cheat programs running while GW2 was up were suspended for 6 months. None of these people were proven to have used the hacks. ANet punished people for having lockpicks, not for opening any locks.

    The other thing to remember is this: a six month ban is a huge punishment, especially if you have spent real world money in the game. That is going to hurt, and the fact the bans happened is also going to make more people expect they will be caught if they cheat -- especially the ones who did get caught.

    Letting people come back after the punishment isn't necessarily a bad thing. At least some of them have learned a valuable lesson: cheating gets caught, and getting caught has significant consequences. They will not return to cheating.

    Others will not come back, or will come back and cheat again. The second time they get caught, it's probably going to be a lot less forgiving ... but, honestly, it doesn't really matter that much. People are deterred by their expected chance of getting caught, not be the severity of the punishment if they do.

    Completely aside, that is also why I have pushed ANet to publish weekly or monthly counts of actions taken. Seeing in writing that 753 accounts were banned for RMT is a simple, and effective, way to tell people: engage in RMT, and you will get caught. Maybe not this time, but all those people did, and do you think your luck will last forever? Have you already been caught, and is the ban hammer hovering over your head right now?

    Perception is, simply put, the most powerful thing here. You want people to be reminded that cheating is caught, and punishments are applied, and telling them how often it happens will help. (It'll also put to bed the whole "reporting does nothing" meme, or at least replace it with a "reporting does nothing, and the numbers are made up" version.)

    Long gone are the days of @Chris Cleary.8017 publically "executing" cheaters.

    Turns out: that didn't slow down the cheating, so it was ineffective as a tool.
    tl;dr some people don't like inattentive cheating, but that doesn't make it bad for the game.

    I think you meant "inattentive farming"?

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    Honestly yeah, it's total BS. It DOES harm the economy, and it DOES harm other players.

    I used to farm Elaborate Totems, manually. They were like 24 silver each, and I would load up on magic find food, get a boost etc and go to my farm spot. I'd run around killing any mobs and it was decent money, until I started noticing dreaded Minion Masters standing in a certain spot (just the right place to get their pets to quickly tag and kill the maximized amount of mobs). They were doing the same thing as me, except I was putting in real effort and time, while they were AFK abusing a game mechanic.

    How much are Elaborate Totems now? 10 silver.

    Tell me more about how it doesn't hurt the economy or players.

    Do you have any source proving that drop of price is caused exclusively by AFK farming? (spoiler: you don't). Game economy died after PoF and it has NOTHING to do with AFK farming. It's too uncommon and too slow.

    Too uncommon and too slow... really.
    Every map has them and many are massed around the same fast respawns.... it's prolific. If you choose to ignore it that's on you but yes it does have an effect on the economy if you choose to look in to it properly. As for being slow.. when your logged 24/7/ 365 farming the same stuff that becomes irrelevant that's why it's afk farming rather than run around play the game farming.
    You can bury your head in the sand if you want but the issue won't fix itself.

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    It's not allowed but unless they remove minions (probably ranger pets 2) from the game it won't change.

    And it's not that profitable or damaging to the economy. (Unless there's a farm spot i'm unaware of)

    Lol … if it's not that profitable they wouldn't be doing it in the numbers they do.. of course it is and yes it does have an effect on the economy.
    MMO minion hacks is back in full force, you only have to read a few of the hacker forum sites to know that.
    The ban wave appears to of been little more than ANET's annual PR exercise to show face..

    Unless they begin to take this more seriously it will just get out of control again fast, it spoils the game for many of us. and by serious I mean proper perma bans along with any alt accounts they also have I say.

    Hold on, that's not necessarily true. I can imagine that the primary reason it's done is because it's easy, not because it's highly profitable. Your assessment here is emotional, not fact's based. It's unclear how the effect of some AFK farmers affects your game vs. legit ones, other than the fact you don't like seeing them.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:

    @derd.6413 said:
    It's not allowed but unless they remove minions (probably ranger pets 2) from the game it won't change.

    And it's not that profitable or damaging to the economy. (Unless there's a farm spot i'm unaware of)

    Lol … if it's not that profitable they wouldn't be doing it in the numbers they do.. of course it is and yes it does have an effect on the economy.
    MMO minion hacks is back in full force, you only have to read a few of the hacker forum sites to know that.
    The ban wave appears to of been little more than ANET's annual PR exercise to show face..

    Unless they begin to take this more seriously it will just get out of control again fast, it spoils the game for many of us. and by serious I mean proper perma bans along with any alt accounts they also have I say.

    Hold on, that's not necessarily true. I can imagine that the primary reason it's done is because it's easy, not because it's highly profitable. Your assessment here is emotional, not fact's based. It's unclear how the effect of some AFK farmers affects your game vs. legit ones, other than the fact you don't like seeing them.

    Your absolutely right.. I don't like seeing them.. seeing masses of MM's covering parts of a map to fast farm respawns is not nice to look at.. for me at least and likely many others. As for its effect.. its not about how it affects me or you or anyone in particular, its about how it affects the game economy in general and yes its done because it's easy, effortless and profitable.
    As for it being emotional, yeah maybe but actually I don't tend to buy or sell that much in the game I prefer to be self sufficient rather than reliant upon others.. I prefer to treat GW2 as a game not a business, I get all the job satisfaction running my own business.

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018

    That's just being sensational. There are not many places that are good AFK farming spots, so the impact to you is honestly not that big. You have no idea what the impact AFK farmers have on the game economy, so your just guessing. You're whole argument for permanently banning these people is visual clutter in a very few select and very small areas of the game ... that's nonsense.

    I mean, if you prefer to be self-sufficient, these people have NO impact on your game whatsoever. That's just indicating to me you don't use the TP ... where whatever small impact these people have is felt. Maybe you should clam down a bit here.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

  • Kheldorn.5123Kheldorn.5123 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Bloodstealer.5978 said:

    @Kheldorn.5123 said:

    @ProverbsofHell.2307 said:
    Honestly yeah, it's total BS. It DOES harm the economy, and it DOES harm other players.

    I used to farm Elaborate Totems, manually. They were like 24 silver each, and I would load up on magic find food, get a boost etc and go to my farm spot. I'd run around killing any mobs and it was decent money, until I started noticing dreaded Minion Masters standing in a certain spot (just the right place to get their pets to quickly tag and kill the maximized amount of mobs). They were doing the same thing as me, except I was putting in real effort and time, while they were AFK abusing a game mechanic.

    How much are Elaborate Totems now? 10 silver.

    Tell me more about how it doesn't hurt the economy or players.

    Do you have any source proving that drop of price is caused exclusively by AFK farming? (spoiler: you don't). Game economy died after PoF and it has NOTHING to do with AFK farming. It's too uncommon and too slow.

    Too uncommon and too slow... really.
    Every map has them and many are massed around the same fast respawns.... it's prolific. If you choose to ignore it that's on you but yes it does have an effect on the economy if you choose to look in to it properly. As for being slow.. when your logged 24/7/ 365 farming the same stuff that becomes irrelevant that's why it's afk farming rather than run around play the game farming.
    You can bury your head in the sand if you want but the issue won't fix itself.

    I'm not going to create histerical environment based on your personal observation. Give me PROOF that they harm the economy. because you know who destroyed this game economy? ArenaNet. With Istan.

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