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Supporting LGBT logo of GW2

Last week the owner of GW2 made a decission of change GW2 PoF logo to support LGBT people.
Im wonder what do you think about that.

Supporting LGBT logo of GW2 86 votes

I don't mind LGBT, but if ANet support them, they should change their logo than Game logo. I feels harassed.
3% 3 votes
I don't mind LGBT. I relly like this move.
22% 19 votes
I don't support LGBT events. Such a thing should be forbidden. It's a game and it should be political, racism, religion, and sexual orientation free.
46% 40 votes
I strongly support LGBT. I hope this logo change was just a beginning. I hope for LGBT event in game supported by ANet.
27% 24 votes
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  • Timo.1065Timo.1065 Member ✭✭✭

    @Plautze.6290 said:
    I miss the "I don't give kitten" button, please fix!

    It is easy to say "I don't care" I did that on purpose.

  • Ashen.2907Ashen.2907 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sevenDEADLY.5281 said:
    As Ayakaru said, the demands become more and more until they're unreasonable. Anet already supports this through their content as many have pointed out. Now you're mad because that's not enough and you're demanding they change their logo. Then, if/when that's done, you'll decide that isn't enough and make another demand that's one step up, and so on and so on until it very quickly becomes unreasonable or more likely begins to infringe on another subgroup of people. Does Arenanet have to change their logo for black history month? Do they have to change their logo for jewish american heritage month? What about other places besides the united states? LGBT history month is February in the UK, but oh wait thats black history month is the US. Who gets to decide what anet does with their logo for February? Can't have one without excluding the other. LBGT isn't even the only celebrated group for June, why do they get June and the others are excluded? If you can't see the problem with going down this route, then you really are only making this suggestion to benefit yourself and no one else.

    Who is demanding what?

    Arenanet decided to do something with their own logo. Are you arguing that they shouldnt be allowed to do what they want with their own property?

  • Game of Bones.8975Game of Bones.8975 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Another option is "I didn't even notice the change"

    "That's what" -- She

  • sevenDEADLY.5281sevenDEADLY.5281 Member ✭✭✭

    @Game of Bones.8975 said:
    Another option is "I didn't even notice the change"

    I don't see a change anywhere. Login is still the same, website is still the same, forums are still the same. Where is this change?

  • Eve.9812Eve.9812 Member ✭✭

    i think it's nice. i don't have any issues with ANet doing so, considering it's pride month.

    i don't see it as a political/religious topic, even though it comes up in the context of both very frequently. it's moreso celebrating a victory for human rights.

  • Mea.5491Mea.5491 Member ✭✭✭✭

    We don't need an official LGBT event in the game, there will be one hosted by players (June 23/24, it was advertised on Reddit), that's more than enough.

  • Zaraki.5784Zaraki.5784 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    No. And that is all I will say about it. Last time I got banned for giving my opinion.

    I can't express how much I agree with you, sadly we can't say anything more on this forum, else our posts get insta-deleted....

    "Sticks and stones may break your bones but words will never be able to injure you!"
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  • Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Menadena.7482 said:
    I am going to guess maybe you are not in the US or some other western country? It is pride month, it is pretty common to do rainbows on things (I assume that is what they did). Just like on St Patrick's day you will find things in the US turning green for a day.

    I am mostly ambivalent about changing the logo (I don't really think it's needed, but it's not harmful either - plenty of companies show this kind of LGBT support and are perfectly within their right to do so).

    But, this is an interesting point - handling of pride is no different than handling of St. Patty's day. If you oppose changing a logo because it's "political" you should also oppose changing the logo for events like St. Patty's Day. I'd guess that most of the naysayers don't have any problem with Anet doing similar things with other groups. This shows the issue is you, not pride and not Anet.

  • Leo G.4501Leo G.4501 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Turin.6921 said:
    1. Every piece of culture is political. Every expressions is political. Even the stance "i do not care about politics" is a political stance. Politics is just an expression of a viewpoint. And the viewpoint is basically how you view your life and the world, including what entertains you. How could it not, even unconsciously, part of any creative media. Its like asking to breath without oxygen.

    1. The game is already taking a specific stance on the matter based on content. Its the logo that made the difference?

    2. You are missing an option in the poll: I do not even care about a logo- why should I? There are more important things to care about.

    1. You, as an individual, are free to take a political stance on a matter but the moment you infringe on that freedom of another individual to express their political view because you don't agree with it or you feel it is hateful or disruptive, you have mutated that notion of freedom and it should be stripped from you all the same. It's easier to just not dwell on politics in an environment that doesn't support free speech/expression.
    2. The game is not an individual nor does it encompass the political views of all that fall under its logo. Saying that a game or company is taking a stance can only happen if it infringes on those involved to think and choose for themselves.
    3. I agree with that.
  • Plautze.6290Plautze.6290 Member ✭✭✭

    @MarshallLaw.9260 said:

    @sevenDEADLY.5281 said:

    @Plautze.6290 said:

    @Timo.1065 said:

    @Plautze.6290 said:
    I miss the "I don't give kitten" button, please fix!

    It is easy to say "I don't care" I did that on purpose.

    Of course you did that on purpose. Otherwise "I don't care" would dominate your poll.

    There's literally no options other than 3 choices of "what a great idea!" and 1 choice of "I'm a horrible person" while completely ignoring the broad spectrum of views. But I guess that's really all politics in general is today; agree with me or you're a bad person, while ignoring the broad spectrum of humanity.

    In all honesty, when it comes to opinionated polls on this forum where the OP is trying to prove that their pre-decided position on a topic is the correct one, you'll find they are all constructed from loaded questions and heavily biased voting choices.
    Most amateur polls like this have several options "for" their idea, and one or two suggesting that if you pick against, there is something wrong with you.
    The classic "decent people would like this and anyone who disagrees clearly hates babies/puppies/humanity etc".

    Literally, the emperor's new clothes.
    "If you can't see these clothes, you are hopelessly stupid".

    BTW, why hasn't there been a thread with pics of fabulous fashion? Right now, I'm thinking about coloring my warrior all merry and gay in fabulous colors in honor to pride month =)

    Rohan Blackraven | Allister Mortis | Kareem Aqbar | Mindblower Torxx

  • Leo G.4501Leo G.4501 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @sevenDEADLY.5281 said:
    As Ayakaru said, the demands become more and more until they're unreasonable. Anet already supports this through their content as many have pointed out. Now you're mad because that's not enough and you're demanding they change their logo. Then, if/when that's done, you'll decide that isn't enough and make another demand that's one step up, and so on and so on until it very quickly becomes unreasonable or more likely begins to infringe on another subgroup of people. Does Arenanet have to change their logo for black history month? Do they have to change their logo for jewish american heritage month? What about other places besides the united states? LGBT history month is February in the UK, but oh wait thats black history month is the US. Who gets to decide what anet does with their logo for February? Can't have one without excluding the other. LBGT isn't even the only celebrated group for June, why do they get June and the others are excluded? If you can't see the problem with going down this route, then you really are only making this suggestion to benefit yourself and no one else.

    Who is demanding what?

    Arenanet decided to do something with their own logo. Are you arguing that they shouldnt be allowed to do what they want with their own property?

    I'd personally argue that, they can do what they want to with their logo but when someone on the forums goes and stirs the pot and pokes at the hornet's nest, expect people to get silenced and expect people to get mad about not being able to criticise the OP or Anet's choice of support. It's just best not to bring identity politics into the game...but Anet are the catalyst here...

  • Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Aodlop.1907 said:
    I don't mind gay and trans people as individuals.
    I do despise the LGBT movement though.

    I'm pretty sure people who used to like or at least tolerate gay people started disliking them because of the LGBT movement. So sick if this propaganda. As if the whole "help refugees" thing in PoF wasn't enough.

    I'm curious, what is it about the movement that you despise?

  • Plautze.6290Plautze.6290 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ashen.2907 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:
    I don't mind gay and trans people as individuals.
    I do despise the LGBT movement though.

    I'm pretty sure people who used to like or at least tolerate gay people started disliking them because of the LGBT movement. So sick if this propaganda. As if the whole "help refugees" thing in PoF wasn't enough.

    Wait, what?

    Is there a problem with helping people fleeing an undead monster?

    mumble-screams"They took our jooooobs!"
    =)

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  • Goettel.4389Goettel.4389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Didn't know and don't care.

  • Leo G.4501Leo G.4501 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:
    I don't mind gay and trans people as individuals.
    I do despise the LGBT movement though.

    I'm pretty sure people who used to like or at least tolerate gay people started disliking them because of the LGBT movement. So sick if this propaganda. As if the whole "help refugees" thing in PoF wasn't enough.

    I'm curious, what is it about the movement that you despise?

    Likely that people with tolerance are constantly tested and pressured because LGBT(and all its additional letters and symbols) is constantly lumped in with any and all other groups of "marginalized" peoples to form a collective of cognative dissonant outcry over what mostly amounts to nothing. We don't need a pride month in western civilized countries just like we don't need a black history month in the US.

  • Alga.6498Alga.6498 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2018

    As a gay person myself, I support and it brings joy to my heart seeing ANet does something like this, :)

    Keep going, ANet! Free love to everyone! 💙❤💚💛💜🧡

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  • Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2018

    @Leo G.4501 said:

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:
    I don't mind gay and trans people as individuals.
    I do despise the LGBT movement though.

    I'm pretty sure people who used to like or at least tolerate gay people started disliking them because of the LGBT movement. So sick if this propaganda. As if the whole "help refugees" thing in PoF wasn't enough.

    I'm curious, what is it about the movement that you despise?

    Likely that people with tolerance are constantly tested and pressured because LGBT(and all its additional letters and symbols) is constantly lumped in with any and all other groups of "marginalized" peoples to form a collective of cognative dissonant outcry over what mostly amounts to nothing. We don't need a pride month in western civilized countries just like we don't need a black history month in the US.

    I actually can't say that I wholly disagree with this assessment, and, being gay, I very frequently get annoyed by the degree to which other gay people become narcissistically obsessed with their gay identity and then operate from an assumption of victimhood all the time and, which is also true of pretty much every other minority group, because it's the version of reality they're constantly bombarded with from left-wing media and not because it's actual objective reality in most case.

    That said, I would not discount that marginalization is still a thing in the US, though - many gays grow up in families and social environments where they have their psychology warped and scarred through internalization of homophobia by religious nutjobs and outdated ideas of masculinity and femininity (which can affect straight people to). This is why it became an identity and organically transformed into a social movement in the mid 20th century. It's just that it's starting to become oudated for where we are now, but I think the movement is also slowly organically transforming to recognize this. The gay identity is slowly normalizing and being assimilated back into the mainstream, which is something that's very noticeable when you attend a pride event now vs. even 10 or 15 years ago - particularly in areas where it's very accepted, and the concept of pride has swelled to encompass a lot more than it once did.

    As someone who is liberal, I still think there's a strong argument to be made that identity politics is corrosive and causing more problems than it's solving. This is especially noteworthy since most of the problems that actually need solving at this point are economic in nature and not social, so it can start acting as a barrier to actual progress by dividing people that would otherwise be united.

  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    No. And that is all I will say about it. Last time I got banned for giving my opinion.

    Probably because your opinion is bigoted and stupid, I would guess.

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @aspirine.6852 said:
    No. And that is all I will say about it. Last time I got banned for giving my opinion.

    Probably because your opinion is bigoted and stupid, I would guess.

    You would think so but it really was not.

  • TheNecrosanct.4028TheNecrosanct.4028 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2018

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Leo G.4501 said:

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:
    I don't mind gay and trans people as individuals.
    I do despise the LGBT movement though.

    I'm pretty sure people who used to like or at least tolerate gay people started disliking them because of the LGBT movement. So sick if this propaganda. As if the whole "help refugees" thing in PoF wasn't enough.

    I'm curious, what is it about the movement that you despise?

    Likely that people with tolerance are constantly tested and pressured because LGBT(and all its additional letters and symbols) is constantly lumped in with any and all other groups of "marginalized" peoples to form a collective of cognative dissonant outcry over what mostly amounts to nothing. We don't need a pride month in western civilized countries just like we don't need a black history month in the US.

    I actually can't say that I wholly disagree with this assessment, and, being gay, I very frequently get annoyed by the degree to which other gay people operate from an assumption of victimhood all the time, which is also true of pretty much every other minority group, because it's the version of reality they're constantly bombarded with from left-wing media and not because it's actual objective reality in most case.

    That said, I would not discount that marginalization is still a thing in the US, though - many gays grow up in families and social environments where they have their psychology warped and scarred through internalization of homophobia by religious nutjobs and outdated ideas of masculinity and femininity. This is why it became an identity and organically transformed into a social movement in the mid 20th century. It's just that it's starting to become oudated for where we are now.

    As someone who is liberal, I still think there's a strong argument to be made that identity politics is corrosive and causing more problems than it's solving. This is especially noteworthy since most of the problems that actually need solving at this point are economic in nature and not social, so it can start acting as a barrier to actual progress.

    I couldn't agree more. I also have the feeling that equal rights movements cause more harm than good. Not all of them, and not all the time, but it's like I mentioned in my own post: we get something we want, and then we want more. We teach our children not to indulge that impulse all the time, but we adults conveniently forget all about that when it comes to something we want. I also believe that solving our economic problems will also solve some of our social problems as well, since a lot of those come from feelings of fear and insecurity, which are in large part caused by political and economical problems affecting our every day lives and livelihoods. I think we have made our social issues too political. We've created a situation where you're either on this side of the fence, or the other side. One side is considered the right side, the other not so much. At least, it feels that way to me. Black and white thinking, while reality is much more intricate and complicated than that. I agree that there are still people who need others to fight for them and that this is a just fight, but I wish we would learn to apply more wisdom and consideration in doing that.

  • Leo G.4501Leo G.4501 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Leo G.4501 said:

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:
    I don't mind gay and trans people as individuals.
    I do despise the LGBT movement though.

    I'm pretty sure people who used to like or at least tolerate gay people started disliking them because of the LGBT movement. So sick if this propaganda. As if the whole "help refugees" thing in PoF wasn't enough.

    I'm curious, what is it about the movement that you despise?

    Likely that people with tolerance are constantly tested and pressured because LGBT(and all its additional letters and symbols) is constantly lumped in with any and all other groups of "marginalized" peoples to form a collective of cognative dissonant outcry over what mostly amounts to nothing. We don't need a pride month in western civilized countries just like we don't need a black history month in the US.

    I actually can't say that I wholly disagree with this assessment, and, being gay, I very frequently get annoyed by the degree to which other gay people operate from an assumption of victimhood all the time, which is also true of pretty much every other minority group, because it's the version of reality they're constantly bombarded with from left-wing media and not because it's actual objective reality in most case.

    That said, I would not discount that marginalization is still a thing in the US, though - many gays grow up in families and social environments where they have their psychology warped and scarred through internalization of homophobia by religious nutjobs and outdated ideas of masculinity and femininity. This is why it became an identity and organically transformed into a social movement in the mid 20th century. It's just that it's starting to become oudated for where we are now.

    As someone who is liberal, I still think there's a strong argument to be made that identity politics is corrosive and causing more problems than it's solving. This is especially noteworthy since most of the problems that actually need solving at this point are economic in nature and not social, so it can start acting as a barrier to actual progress.

    As a centrist, I wouldn't discount marginalized groups either, but in the perspective of society as a whole, any marginalization that takes place can be overcome by the individual. And any marginalization that occurs that an individual cannot overcome, the majority sees as an infringement of freedom and oppressive and will collectively quash it. As a black man, it was more destructive to me overall to consume that my "group" was being marginalized or oppressed or attacked and until I took in more perspectives understood that it's the individual who must take responsibility for their lives and how they react to those around them. I'm sure it's tough for homosexuals growing up in strict religious or homophobic communities but everyone has their individual hardships that they must overcome. I suppose it depends on individual ego to judge whose hardship is harder to overcome which is likely the root of my distaste for most identity politics.

  • Einlanzer.1627Einlanzer.1627 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2018

    @Leo G.4501 said:

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Leo G.4501 said:

    @Einlanzer.1627 said:

    @Aodlop.1907 said:
    I don't mind gay and trans people as individuals.
    I do despise the LGBT movement though.

    I'm pretty sure people who used to like or at least tolerate gay people started disliking them because of the LGBT movement. So sick if this propaganda. As if the whole "help refugees" thing in PoF wasn't enough.

    I'm curious, what is it about the movement that you despise?

    Likely that people with tolerance are constantly tested and pressured because LGBT(and all its additional letters and symbols) is constantly lumped in with any and all other groups of "marginalized" peoples to form a collective of cognative dissonant outcry over what mostly amounts to nothing. We don't need a pride month in western civilized countries just like we don't need a black history month in the US.

    I actually can't say that I wholly disagree with this assessment, and, being gay, I very frequently get annoyed by the degree to which other gay people operate from an assumption of victimhood all the time, which is also true of pretty much every other minority group, because it's the version of reality they're constantly bombarded with from left-wing media and not because it's actual objective reality in most case.

    That said, I would not discount that marginalization is still a thing in the US, though - many gays grow up in families and social environments where they have their psychology warped and scarred through internalization of homophobia by religious nutjobs and outdated ideas of masculinity and femininity. This is why it became an identity and organically transformed into a social movement in the mid 20th century. It's just that it's starting to become oudated for where we are now.

    As someone who is liberal, I still think there's a strong argument to be made that identity politics is corrosive and causing more problems than it's solving. This is especially noteworthy since most of the problems that actually need solving at this point are economic in nature and not social, so it can start acting as a barrier to actual progress.

    As a centrist, I wouldn't discount marginalized groups either, but in the perspective of society as a whole, any marginalization that takes place can be overcome by the individual. And any marginalization that occurs that an individual cannot overcome, the majority sees as an infringement of freedom and oppressive and will collectively quash it. As a black man, it was more destructive to me overall to consume that my "group" was being marginalized or oppressed or attacked and until I took in more perspectives understood that it's the individual who must take responsibility for their lives and how they react to those around them. I'm sure it's tough for homosexuals growing up in strict religious or homophobic communities but everyone has their individual hardships that they must overcome. I suppose it depends on individual ego to judge whose hardship is harder to overcome which is likely the root of my distaste for most identity politics.

    I very much agree with most of this. At some point, you're making a personal choice to revel in a state of victimhood, which in many cases is delusional, but, even when it's not, it won't do you or the group you're associated with any favors. I remember reading an article by a black author a while back discussing this in the context of the black community, and he described it as a widespread cult of victimology leading to a cult of separatism, which is ironic because it's the opposite of what progressives in the mid 20th century were fighting for.

    This conservative movement that's happened on the left is why I can very comfortably consider myself liberal/progressive while agreeing with everything you wrote here.

  • I support LGBT+ and other minorities, and I'm more than okay with ANet using the rainbow colors to support these people.

  • Turin.6921Turin.6921 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2018

    @Leo G.4501 said:
    1. You, as an individual, are free to take a political stance on a matter but the moment you infringe on that freedom of another individual to express their political view because you don't agree with it or you feel it is hateful or disruptive, you have mutated that notion of freedom and it should be stripped from you all the same. It's easier to just not dwell on politics in an environment that doesn't support free speech/expression.

    I do not see how that relates on the notation "of removing politics from games". I am just saying that every act within a society is political and you cannot consciously remove the politics for the act. Especially with cultural creations. It is naturally there not matter how objective you try to be.

    1. The game is not an individual nor does it encompass the political views of all that fall under its logo. Saying that a game or company is taking a stance can only happen if it infringes on those involved to think and choose for themselves.

    A company and any collaborative venture can have a code of conduct and common values in which they operate. And an individual can choose to be a part of that knowing very well these values and code before hand. Thus any collaborative venture can take a political stance collectively without necessarily infringing on the individuality of the members.

  • DeanBB.4268DeanBB.4268 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Where is this logo to be found? I don't see it here, or gw2.com, or arenanet's site.

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  • Nemo.5609Nemo.5609 Member ✭✭

    @DeanBB.4268 said:
    Where is this logo to be found? I don't see it here, or gw2.com, or arenanet's site.

    Twitter and facebook, as far as I can see (@GuildWars2)

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