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DuoQ and No more PvP ladder Titles from S13

Nuvola.9460Nuvola.9460 Member ✭✭

Since Ben mentioned it in Envy’s chat: DuoQ is back next season for all rating and ladder titles are no more”

So if this is official there are 2 options:

1)If they don’t add new ladder reward -> ranked basically like unranked, since there is nothing to aim, they become something for fun, an unranked with just a friend allowed but hey easy golds+ temporary badget \o/.
“If we can’t prevent wintraders to do their dirty job, let’s take away everything to wintrade for, even if that means we take away everything to compete/tryhard for.” (SoloQ/DuoQ scene)
Making a stupid example: In a city there are robbers stealing money to people, how we fix it? More police contr.. nooooo let’s take away money to everyone so there is nothing left to steal xddd. kitten Olympic games, they making controls against doping, so stupid they should just have removed medals :o

2) They add some new reward to tryhard (so also to wintrade) for. Well GG thought one reason to remove DuoQ was cuz of wintrade, and removing titles bringing back DuoQ let me think like you gonna do it to solve wintrade problems, or maybe you really decided to not allow wintraders anymore, making optimal controls, and starting a new era with new rewards that will just been earned legittimally, I’m bit sceptic about it, but well if you do that, bella

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  • Falan.1839Falan.1839 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018

    Does that mean no new LB titles are awarded while the old ones stay or do the existing ones actually get deleted?

    Either way there should be some incentive besides grinding pips, it will just turn into an unranked like clownfiesta where nobody cares about anything otherwise.

    Falásya / Caissech

  • Do you have the link to it or the exact quote from Ben?

  • Nuvola.9460Nuvola.9460 Member ✭✭

    @Falan.1839 said:
    Does that mean no new LB titles are awarded while the old ones stay or do the existing ones actually get deleted?

    Either way there should be some incentive besides grinding pips, it will just turn into an unranked like clownfiesta where nobody cares about anything

    I hope they let the titles stay for those who earned them, would be totally kitten to take them away

    Exactly, it would be like unranked with less friends to play with but more golds. Sounds funny since its named “Ranked”. Like why the kitten should I play it, only reason would be gold earning in the most funny way, but that shouldn’t be the Ranked objective, rank should be competition, tryhard to climb. Maybe they think like that more casuals will join and we get a better matchmaking. But tbh, if thats the price for a better matchmaking, I rather wait 5-10 minute for each game

  • Nuvola.9460Nuvola.9460 Member ✭✭

    @bennypig.6428 said:
    Do you have the link to it or the exact quote from Ben?

    @bennypig.6428 said:
    Do you have the link to it or the exact quote from Ben?

    No, thats the quote I got from a discord

  • witcher.3197witcher.3197 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018

    Calling it now, next season wll be a failure because no rewards and Anet will blame it on Duo so that they have a "valid" excuse for reverting things.

    Although I'm probably just a cynical kitten..

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭

    I don't want to rage before anything is official... :expressionless:

  • Etheri.5406Etheri.5406 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I get that the titles matter for some, but I think a lot of players got the titles they wanted 5 seasons ago. For even more players, top 250 was way out of sight. Players who enjoy competing will still be able to compete, and perhaps less gated by wintrade and BS. AT rewards are as far as i'm aware staying; and we all know AT's are more relevant than ranked ladder anyways.

    I do hope the ladder stays. There is no value in not having a ladder. Without a ladder, there is no competition left. I kinda hope we also get GOLD REWARDS for being on the ladder. Titles are nice and players are clearly willing to give gold for them; but why not just give gold directly.

    Is there ANY reason to have off-seasons other than making us not play PvP to try and make us try out other, potentially more fun games? Like really; what is the value in not having "ranked" for a few weeks between seasons; if I can't even tell the difference between seasons. I'm sorry I stopped counting after S5.

  • Nuvola.9460Nuvola.9460 Member ✭✭

    @Etheri.5406 said:
    I get that the titles matter for some, but I think a lot of players got the titles they wanted 5 seasons ago. For even more players, top 250 was way out of sight. Players who enjoy competing will still be able to compete, and perhaps less gated by wintrade and BS. AT rewards are as far as i'm aware staying; and we all know AT's are more relevant than ranked ladder anyways.

    I do hope the ladder stays. There is no value in not having a ladder. Without a ladder, there is no competition left. I kinda hope we also get GOLD REWARDS for being on the ladder. Titles are nice and players are clearly willing to give gold for them; but why not just give gold directly.

    Is there ANY reason to have off-seasons other than making us not play PvP to try and make us try out other, potentially more fun games? Like really; what is the value in not having "ranked" for a few weeks between seasons; if I can't even tell the difference between seasons. I'm sorry I stopped counting after S5.

    I agree about titles, once people get them they stop tryharding, but if they don’t want to add new titles then I would pref to keep old ones than nothing, at least it’s something to aim, even if you get some you can still aim to a better one (unless you reach rank 1)

  • Etheri.5406Etheri.5406 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nuvola.9460 said:

    @Etheri.5406 said:
    I get that the titles matter for some, but I think a lot of players got the titles they wanted 5 seasons ago. For even more players, top 250 was way out of sight. Players who enjoy competing will still be able to compete, and perhaps less gated by wintrade and BS. AT rewards are as far as i'm aware staying; and we all know AT's are more relevant than ranked ladder anyways.

    I do hope the ladder stays. There is no value in not having a ladder. Without a ladder, there is no competition left. I kinda hope we also get GOLD REWARDS for being on the ladder. Titles are nice and players are clearly willing to give gold for them; but why not just give gold directly.

    Is there ANY reason to have off-seasons other than making us not play PvP to try and make us try out other, potentially more fun games? Like really; what is the value in not having "ranked" for a few weeks between seasons; if I can't even tell the difference between seasons. I'm sorry I stopped counting after S5.

    I agree about titles, once people get them they stop tryharding, but if they don’t want to add new titles then I would pref to keep old ones than nothing, at least it’s something to aim, even if you get some you can still aim to a better one (unless you reach rank 1)

    I agree, I'd eventually like to get higher titles than the ones I have now. It's just that I really can't be bothered tryharding for them. I do enjoy the atmosphere towards the end of the season more; people are noticably more tryhard during the last week and last days.

  • popaz.1524popaz.1524 Member
    edited August 7, 2018

    If this is true I am happy of the fact we can duo Q plat 2 now but removing the titles is bothersome. I probably would have not reached top 25 anyways but it gave me something to strieve for and a reason to try to get better. Also people need an incentive to play or the pros who haven't already left will see no reason other than to stick to ATs and inhouses making the matchmaking even worst than it already is.

    Something I see they could add is Season based achievements. Like participate in 100 games this season. Alot of pvers would get into that. might not fix the skill issue but at least more people would be playing the seasons. If we're talking about rewards that people wouldn't be able to wintrade for, I really don't see anything else. Like wintraders should just keep on getting punished. Why do we have to suffer of these changes because of 10 people.

  • Etheri.5406Etheri.5406 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018

    @popaz.1524 said:
    Something I see they could add is Season based achievements. Like participate in 100 games this season. Alot of pvers would get into that. might not fix the skill issue but at least more people would be playing the seasons.

    Luring in PvE'rs doesn't improve the gamemode; doesnt fix unbalanced matchups, snowball, matchmaking issues or fix anything PvP related. It artificially inflates your population; which can help with many issues; but these players aren't playing to "win" as much as they're playing for secondary objectives such as rewards. And this just creates as much problems as it solves.

    Stop trying to make competitive modes something they're not. They're not and they never will be amazing for carebears. Make it a good product and improve on what is pvp instead.

  • Crab Fear.1624Crab Fear.1624 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hope it's true. A badge saying what range you fall into is good enough. Rating an individual on a leader board in a game like GW2 was just asking for trouble.

    Also hope the best players can duo q again, should make for some interesting streams

  • @Etheri.5406 said:

    @popaz.1524 said:
    Something I see they could add is Season based achievements. Like participate in 100 games this season. Alot of pvers would get into that. might not fix the skill issue but at least more people would be playing the seasons.

    Luring in PvE'rs doesn't improve the gamemode; doesnt fix unbalanced matchups, snowball, matchmaking issues or fix anything PvP related. It artificially inflates your population; which can help with many issues; but these players aren't playing to "win" as much as they're playing for secondary objectives such as rewards. And this just creates as much problems as it solves.

    Stop trying to make competitive modes something they're not. They're not and they never will be amazing for carebears. Make it a good product and improve on what is pvp instead.

    Maybe that was a bad example but then make it something like Win 100 games. I'm sure they can find ones that do not interfer with the quality of the matches. It would only create problems if they put something like class achievements where people would have to play things they are not used to play. Population is a real issue in this game and anything that could improve the pool of players matchmaking pulls out from then I'm down.

  • Oh cool, finally we had a decent season with better-than-usual balance and now this is happening. Removing of duoq made me come back, it is time to leave ranked pvp for good. Enjoy the even worse population, this will turn away more people than bring back.

  • Mbelch.9028Mbelch.9028 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Can we get some clarity/comments on this, even if it's not 100% finalized yet?

  • @rank eleven monk.9502 said:
    Oh cool, finally we had a decent season with better-than-usual balance and now this is happening. Removing of duoq made me come back, it is time to leave ranked pvp for good. Enjoy the even worse population, this will turn away more people than bring back.

    Bye.

    ~ God Tier Guardian

  • Etheri.5406Etheri.5406 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018

    @Crab Fear.1624 said:
    Hope it's true. A badge saying what range you fall into is good enough. Rating an individual on a leader board in a game like GW2 was just asking for trouble.

    Also hope the best players can duo q again, should make for some interesting streams

    Surely players who are upset about their numerical value of rating can just come up with excuses as to why "rating" is purely based on luck / your teams / matchmaking / wintrading / other stuff they tell themselves to maintain the delusion of being better than they are.

    A quick look in the PvP forums tell me players are very capable of denying the existence and relevance of their own rating.

    I do agree duo is one thing, but 5 man teams is something we shouldn't support at all ratings. We have AT's for that and full 5 man premades with high level players would completely screw the leaderboards.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Yes, the current plan is the remove titles next season. The leaderboard itself will remain. We won't remove titles for people who've already earned them.

    Current plan is to also bring back to duo queue for next season.

    We'll have a blog post when the next season is getting close to starting.

    Best news I have received in the last 3 years

  • Nuvola.9460Nuvola.9460 Member ✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Yes, the current plan is the remove titles next season. The leaderboard itself will remain. We won't remove titles for people who've already earned them.

    Current plan is to also bring back to duo queue for next season.

    We'll have a blog post when the next season is getting close to starting.

    Why should I even play ranked now? I mean if there is no rewards for leaderboard than better play unranked at least I play with more friends and not just with a single one?

  • @Nuvola.9460 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Yes, the current plan is the remove titles next season. The leaderboard itself will remain. We won't remove titles for people who've already earned them.

    Current plan is to also bring back to duo queue for next season.

    We'll have a blog post when the next season is getting close to starting.

    Why should I even play ranked now? I mean if there is no rewards for leaderboard than better play unranked at least I play with more friends and not just with a single one?

    Ranked will still have league rewards. There are no current plans to add pips to unranked. We will be occasionally adding new rewards to the league vendors.

    Ben Phongluangtham
    Game Designer
    Reddit: ANET_BenP
    Twitch: AnetBenP

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Would be kinda cool if top 3 players had diff badges next to their names ti signify their position in the leaderboards. But like keep it dynamic, if you fall fromn1 u lose the n1 badge so its actually competitive.

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Yes, the current plan is the remove titles next season. The leaderboard itself will remain. We won't remove titles for people who've already earned them.

    Current plan is to also bring back to duo queue for next season.

    We'll have a blog post when the next season is getting close to starting.

    I dont like the idea of removing the titles, just punish people who cheat to get them (and not just make an example every few seasons out of a few people)

    It is also great that you do this change out of nowhere, I bet a lot of people would have tried harder for them if they knew this earlier

    First person to reach 35,000 and 36,000 AP.
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  • Etheri.5406Etheri.5406 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018

    @Malediktus.9250 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Yes, the current plan is the remove titles next season. The leaderboard itself will remain. We won't remove titles for people who've already earned them.

    Current plan is to also bring back to duo queue for next season.

    We'll have a blog post when the next season is getting close to starting.

    I dont like the idea of removing the titles, just punish people who cheat to get them (and not just make an example every few seasons out of a few people)

    It is also great that you do this change out of nowhere, I bet a lot of people would have tried harder for them if they knew this earlier

    Either I can't read or you can't read. He says they won't remove...

    I agree i'd have liked to know sooner; could've tryharded more before the titles became "rare". Currently most players considered them fairly worthless; so there's no real drive to tryhard for them.

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @Nuvola.9460 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Yes, the current plan is the remove titles next season. The leaderboard itself will remain. We won't remove titles for people who've already earned them.

    Current plan is to also bring back to duo queue for next season.

    We'll have a blog post when the next season is getting close to starting.

    Why should I even play ranked now? I mean if there is no rewards for leaderboard than better play unranked at least I play with more friends and not just with a single one?

    Ranked will still have league rewards. There are no current plans to add pips to unranked. We will be occasionally adding new rewards to the league vendors.

    Will there be ANY rewards for being high rated other than extra pips at plat / legendary?

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭

    @zealex.9410 said:
    Would be kinda cool if top 3 players had diff badges next to their names ti signify their position in the leaderboards. But like keep it dynamic, if you fall fromn1 u lose the n1 badge so its actually competitive.

    I guess one of the major reasons to do this is because they want to stop wintrading. They are making it more casual.

    I still think this is just the easiest way out. Maybe it will help a bit and reduce toxicity, wintrading and stuff, but... I doubt it will be helping PVP in the long term.

    Anyway, time for troll builds!

  • Nuvola.9460Nuvola.9460 Member ✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

    @Nuvola.9460 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Yes, the current plan is the remove titles next season. The leaderboard itself will remain. We won't remove titles for people who've already earned them.

    Current plan is to also bring back to duo queue for next season.

    We'll have a blog post when the next season is getting close to starting.

    Why should I even play ranked now? I mean if there is no rewards for leaderboard than better play unranked at least I play with more friends and not just with a single one?

    Ranked will still have league rewards. There are no current plans to add pips to unranked. We will be occasionally adding new rewards to the league vendors.

    People who play ranked don’t really care about pips stuff or golds, and why someone should tryhard to get top 1,10 or whatever in ladder if the next season ladder is resetted and not even a title to say “hey, I did good”

    Why you decided that? For wintraders? So for those 20-30+ people the whole community have to renounce to rewards like ladder title or any other reward which could be given with ladder positions?

    And let’s not talk about the fact that those people who got them wintrading will still have their titles while new people or those who still aim to get them legittimally can’t do that anymore

  • Nuvola.9460Nuvola.9460 Member ✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:
    Would be kinda cool if top 3 players had diff badges next to their names ti signify their position in the leaderboards. But like keep it dynamic, if you fall fromn1 u lose the n1 badge so its actually competitive.

    I guess one of the major reasons to do this is because they want to stop wintrading. They are making it more casual.

    I still think this is just the easiest way out. Maybe it will help a bit and reduce toxicity, wintrading and stuff, but... I doubt it will be helping PVP in the long term.

    Anyway, time for troll builds!

    That’s a bad way out. An easy and bad way out

  • Malediktus.9250Malediktus.9250 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Etheri.5406 said:

    @Malediktus.9250 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Yes, the current plan is the remove titles next season. The leaderboard itself will remain. We won't remove titles for people who've already earned them.

    Current plan is to also bring back to duo queue for next season.

    We'll have a blog post when the next season is getting close to starting.

    I dont like the idea of removing the titles, just punish people who cheat to get them (and not just make an example every few seasons out of a few people)

    It is also great that you do this change out of nowhere, I bet a lot of people would have tried harder for them if they knew this earlier

    Either I can't read or you can't read. He says they won't remove...

    Well sadly it is you who can't read "the current plan is the remove titles next season"

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Yes, the current plan is the remove titles next season. The leaderboard itself will remain. We won't remove titles for people who've already earned them.

    Current plan is to also bring back to duo queue for next season.

    We'll have a blog post when the next season is getting close to starting.

    First person to reach 35,000 and 36,000 AP.
    killproof.me/proof/kEyr

  • Cronos.6532Cronos.6532 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Yes, the current plan is the remove titles next season. The leaderboard itself will remain. We won't remove titles for people who've already earned them.

    Current plan is to also bring back to duo queue for next season.

    We'll have a blog post when the next season is getting close to starting.

    Will there ever be another way to acquire these titles or will they be like the planned (?) server-exclusive WvW titles?

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  • FINALLY, thanks ben and anet. And to all those ppl who complain. NOONE gives a kitten about titles or rewards. i just wanna play with a friend and not in unranked. PvP isnt competetive so there is no need for competetive top 50 or top 25 rewards. They dont mean anything anymore anyways. Or do you think anyone has respect for top 10 title? i dont even knowit and it doenst matter. Its not an achievement anyways. so TAHNKS anet to bringback duoq

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fideles Erbstück.7382 said:
    FINALLY, thanks ben and anet. And to all those ppl who complain. NOONE gives a kitten about titles or rewards. i just wanna play with a friend and not in unranked. PvP isnt competetive so there is no need for competetive top 50 or top 25 rewards. They dont mean anything anymore anyways. Or do you think anyone has respect for top 10 title? i dont even knowit and it doenst matter. Its not an achievement anyways. so TAHNKS anet to bringback duoq

    Yeah, the titles are almost as worthless as the ones from S1-4...

    But: When you didn't care about the leaderboard, why didn't you play unranked with as many people as you would've liked? Were you only there for - oh my gosh :scream: - the rewards? Sacrilege!

  • no thats not the reason why i played ranked think again. hint: i couldnt care less for any reward

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fideles Erbstück.7382 said:
    no thats not the reason why i played ranked think again. hint: i couldnt care less for any reward

    Tell me, please. Why did you not want to play unranked?

  • Nuvola.9460Nuvola.9460 Member ✭✭

    I bet they will add new rewards to aim/wintrade for in Season 14 when they will realize the mistake they made. Or maybe this was an unofficial way to say “we just let PvP die from now on more than before”

  • Fideles Erbstück.7382Fideles Erbstück.7382 Member ✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018

    because unranked you play vs everyone who trolls. or ppl who jsut started playing the game. i watned to play rank for decent enemies and rating... but since s7 the seasons are trash tier anyways, so i stopped caring for that. but i still had my hopes up. if the game had quality matches most of the time i wouldnt even mind a soloq. but it doesnt work with the super small population of gw2. rather have somewaht ok matches with a friend. but yeah unranked is just even worse quality than ranked.

    personally i would bring back dynamic queues as well. the game is jsut that far away from beeing competetive at this point. and no ats arent an actual alternative for 2,3,4,5 pp lto join up and play together. the time frame you have is very limited. you cant just hop on at t hesame time and play together. tahts what makes multiplayer games so enjoyable. that you can play them together

  • ‘What’s the point of doing ranked PvP anymore’ posts are incoming such as rage from people who took this ladder (based title) system seriously. Basically now we would only play for a rank which is visible for a few weeks, then reset. Happy times.

    @Fideles Erbstück.7382” totally disagree with you. Pvp is about kitten competition and although there are some cheaters who won their titles by win trade, still there are many good players who are well-known and respected by the community. Titles are meant to be an incentive, it’s just a bad thing that ppl exploited the system. Remove those titles and ban the accounts for good would have been a way better scenario than this.

  • StarDroid.1038StarDroid.1038 Member ✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018

    Best news in a long long time... Im soo happy no longer punished for playing with someone in duo and not worrying about T2 plat!
    Not sad to see titles go as well... too much bad reputation at this point they have with all the underhanded actions from top players in past seasons.

  • Nuvola.9460Nuvola.9460 Member ✭✭

    @Fideles Erbstück.7382 said:
    because unranked you play vs everyone who trolls. or ppl who jsut started playing the game. i watned to play rank for decent enemies and rating... but since s7 the seasons are trash tier anyways, so i stopped caring for that. but i still had my hopes up. if the game had quality matches most of the time i wouldnt even mind a soloq. but it doesnt work with the super small population of gw2. rather have somewaht ok matches with a friend. but yeah unranked is just even worse quality than ranked.

    Well if you hope now that people
    Will tryhard with no rewards in ladder, just golds and pips reward that you can get by farming match, well my friend, good kitten luck

  • Elxdark.9702Elxdark.9702 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2018

    ty ben, now give us a decent balance patch and we're ready.

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