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  • Alga.6498Alga.6498 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We'll have a larger version coming out in the nearish future.

    It needed a larger version indeed, but overall the new map-arena is so beautiful! Please don't remove anything, specially the river, keep all of these environments! :)
    Such a beautiful map, like a forgotten mystical Aztec theme, love it! :heart:

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  • The only problem is that "nearish future" in anet's words is probably several months...

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ben's being great about this
    Let's not bite too hard at the guy

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  • GDchiaScrub.3241GDchiaScrub.3241 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LetoII.3782 said:
    Ben's being great about this
    Let's not bite too hard at the guy

    Is that not how we show him our love?

    D:

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  • Please disable siege deployment also if possible! Otherwise lovely to wake up to this <3

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  • Those numbers sounds good ben! am very suprised with how fast you communicated back with numbers

  • shaggy.2768shaggy.2768 Member ✭✭
    edited July 26, 2018

    That sounds actually a good size being oval will allow for places to stage at.
    however myself and afew guild members where worried about there being water in the arena, since its going to hide AOE's

  • @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We're increasing the size of the Mists Arena rather than adding an additional one. For reference, I'm including some size numbers I received from the map artist.

    Obsidian Santcum is about 3.6k x 3.6k
    Current Mists Arena is approximately: 2.9k x 3.3k
    The updated version will be about 3.5k x 4k.

    I really do appreciate this, atleast we are getting something for GvG's

  • Victory.2879Victory.2879 Member ✭✭✭

    To be useful for something other than just two balled up blobs running into each other, it needs to be much bigger, with height changes too, so that some tactics are involved. Flat surface is just for mindless gvg ball blob fights- and then it can be as small as you like, as they are all balled up anyway.

    A couple of objectives with bonuses could then be introduced, a couple different paths, maybe a guild lord and some guards and ooooohhhh look, gvg! Then a league, different size fights from 5v5 to 25v25, imagine! It would almost be like gvg used to be for the first 5 years of the real Guild Wars game, and only 5 years after GW2 came out...

    But that would involve balled up blob guilds having to use actual tactics as well as some actual work from the devs, so I'll just go back to dreaming now.

  • @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We're increasing the size of the Mists Arena rather than adding an additional one. For reference, I'm including some size numbers I received from the map artist.

    Obsidian Santcum is about 3.6k x 3.6k
    Current Mists Arena is approximately: 2.9k x 3.3k
    The updated version will be about 3.5k x 4k.

    You actually responded to the feedback, wow. Now the only question is, when will this happen and will it happen at all.

  • Klipso.8653Klipso.8653 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    We'll have a larger version coming out in the nearish future.

    How many times have I tried using that line?

  • Kaiser.9873Kaiser.9873 Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 26, 2018

    As large as the OS arena please. Make the GH arena as large as the OS arena while you're at it please. No siege there please. Polls would be a good way to decide these things prior to spending the man hours coding it.

  • Jeknar.6184Jeknar.6184 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kaiser.9873 said:
    As large as the OS arena please. Make the GH arena as large as the OS arena while you're at it please. No siege there please. Polls would be a good way to decide these things prior to spending the man hours coding it.

    Like all the polls done during the debate about DBL? Honestly, while sometimes I cringe at Anet's decisions, I still prefer they THEY are the ones that make decisions instead of the community.

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  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Kaiser.9873 said:
    As large as the OS arena please. Make the GH arena as large as the OS arena while you're at it please. No siege there please. Polls would be a good way to decide these things prior to spending the man hours coding it.

    Like all the polls done during the debate about DBL? Honestly, while sometimes I cringe at Anet's decisions, I still prefer they THEY are the ones that make decisions instead of the community.

    You forget that it was anets decision to introduce dbl for more than 6 months after HoT release in it's broken state without rotating with abl?
    You forget that they had planned on quarterly rotation of that map with abl until it was suggested to run 2abl1dbl instead of rotation?
    Like anet's decision to design dbl the way it is without input from the community until it was put into the last minute beta stress test?
    Yeah, no, anet's decisions isn't always the greatest either. Like designing a new arena that had no area restrictions from previous content, yet still ended up making it smaller than the guild hall arena that they were told for 3 years were too small.

    They still need to take player input on things, which as we see now has already resulted in improvements for this new arena.

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  • Kaiser.9873Kaiser.9873 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Kaiser.9873 said:
    As large as the OS arena please. Make the GH arena as large as the OS arena while you're at it please. No siege there please. Polls would be a good way to decide these things prior to spending the man hours coding it.

    Like all the polls done during the debate about DBL? Honestly, while sometimes I cringe at Anet's decisions, I still prefer they THEY are the ones that make decisions instead of the community.

    At least with player input they get an idea of what we want rather than some of the weird(putting it mildly) decisions they have made on their own. They have the option to ignore poll results (2month rotation versus the one month rotation we voted for), but at least they would know what the majority voted.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kaiser.9873 said:

    @Jeknar.6184 said:

    @Kaiser.9873 said:
    As large as the OS arena please. Make the GH arena as large as the OS arena while you're at it please. No siege there please. Polls would be a good way to decide these things prior to spending the man hours coding it.

    Like all the polls done during the debate about DBL? Honestly, while sometimes I cringe at Anet's decisions, I still prefer they THEY are the ones that make decisions instead of the community.

    At least with player input they get an idea of what we want rather than some of the weird(putting it mildly) decisions they have made on their own. They have the option to ignore poll results (2month rotation versus the one month rotation we voted for), but at least they would know what the majority voted.

    In the rotation poll one month wasn't the majority. Actually, there WAS no majority. However, 3 months and 1 month both combined received greater (albeit just slightly greater) than 50% of the votes and were the two that received the most votes.

    They split the difference.

    Which underscores the major problem with polls here: everyone is convinced that those who voted against the 'right' answer are filthy casuals and shouldn't get a vote.

    Come to think of it, it kind of mirrors politics in the new millennium.

  • shaggy.2768shaggy.2768 Member ✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 is there any idea on when the new arena will be coming out? when four winds ends? or abit later since its from the ground up again?

    looking forward to test it out

  • reapex.8546reapex.8546 Member ✭✭✭

    @shaggy.2768 said:
    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 is there any idea on when the new arena will be coming out? when four winds ends? or abit later since its from the ground up again?

    looking forward to test it out

    Ben said, "We're increasing the size of the Mists Arena rather than adding an additional one. "

  • Frick.2635Frick.2635 Member ✭✭

    The new, updated arena looks fantastic, great job

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Frick.2635 said:
    The new, updated arena looks fantastic, great job

    Did they change the EOTM one already?

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Frick.2635 said:
    The new, updated arena looks fantastic, great job

    Did they change the EOTM one already?

    Sorry.. got my answer

    Edge of the Mists

    Increased the size of the Mists Arena.
    Siege equipment can no longer be placed in the Mists Arena.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Its good i like it thank you for doing this. Now if we could get an hand on class balancing in wvw hehe.

  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Much better job on this one guy/gals!!!

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  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The arena change came 5 months too early, kitten anet : p

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Glad you like the new version!

    It's also the speed at which the change took place which was not expected.

    Thank you again.

  • Klypto.1703Klypto.1703 Member ✭✭✭

    Would be nice if we had a revamped skirmish chest update maybe the standard vendor tab listing we have now and then one based on wvw rank. Somewhat give eotm purpose again for the kind of fights we used to have there before HoT came out. Just a suggestion mostly because you have a lot of long time wvw players that these rewards are sort of mediocre but better than nothing at the same time as well you have newer players not around for the days of eotm maps being populated and at a disadvantage on the things with rank requirements because of this. One last suggestion too with the obsidian weaponry I would say that if they are to be taken somewhat seriously as some kind of reward to choose from that the materials and look of them shouldn't be of a chessboard or circus joke looking item. Maybe another design weapon thing kind of like the thing that came out recently because those look way better than what obsidian weapons look like.

  • starhunter.6015starhunter.6015 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Glad you like the new version!

    Love the new version, this is how I wish the guild hall Arena where.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @starhunter.6015 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Glad you like the new version!

    Love the new version, this is how I wish the guild hall Arena where.

    Agreed. Then guilds could fight guilds on their own server.

    But... it would not be WvW rules though... They noted that it can't be done because of where the guild halls reside.

  • starhunter.6015starhunter.6015 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @starhunter.6015 said:

    @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:
    Glad you like the new version!

    Love the new version, this is how I wish the guild hall Arena where.

    Agreed. Then guilds could fight guilds on their own server.

    But... it would not be WvW rules though... They noted that it can't be done because of where the guild halls reside.

    Could easily create a instance in the guild hall that leads to the new larger arena while leaving the smaller down in its place. As for the rules there is not much difference between PvE and WvW , but I agree having a mode select on the arena would help with training sessions. PvE, WvW, PvP

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭

    Look gvg scene got yet another arena (revamp). Let's see how quick they abandon this and complain about not having gvg options.

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  • Etheri.5406Etheri.5406 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Offair.2563 said:
    Look gvg scene got yet another arena (revamp). Let's see how quick they abandon this and complain about not having gvg options.

    I don't remember a single arena which was functional for GvG'ers their need. I think the complaints we had about 5 years ago were relevant for most of the "revamped" arenas received. Pretty sure this also doesn't exactly hurt you.

    Oh wait, you're one of these players that demands everyone play the game casually. Anyone who doesn't is elitist and awful while you can't do anything wrong.

    I can't wait until PvE players abandon their new PvE maps. I can't wait until every comm leaves your server while you throw tantrums about how your ranger must be accepted everywhere, always. I seem to remember complaints about not having any squads to join while not being willing to reroll off your ranger :trollface:

    I seem to remember complaints about me, while following me, demanding I do what you want me to and lead you while refusing to do anything I asked.

    Yup, sounds accurate.

  • Offair.2563Offair.2563 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018

    @Etheri.5406 said:

    @Offair.2563 said:
    Look gvg scene got yet another arena (revamp). Let's see how quick they abandon this and complain about not having gvg options.

    I don't remember a single arena which was functional for GvG'ers their need. I think the complaints we had about 5 years ago were relevant for most of the "revamped" arenas received. Pretty sure this also doesn't exactly hurt you.

    Oh wait, you're one of these players that demands everyone play the game casually. Anyone who doesn't is elitist and awful while you can't do anything wrong.

    I can't wait until PvE players abandon their new PvE maps. I can't wait until every comm leaves your server while you throw tantrums about how your ranger must be accepted everywhere, always. I seem to remember complaints about not having any squads to join while not being willing to reroll off your ranger :trollface:

    I seem to remember complaints about me, while following me, demanding I do what you want me to and lead you while refusing to do anything I asked.

    Yup, sounds accurate.

    Obsidian sanctum arena says hello o/

    And kudos on the assumptions btw.

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  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018

    @Etheri.5406 said:

    @Offair.2563 said:
    Look gvg scene got yet another arena (revamp). Let's see how quick they abandon this and complain about not having gvg options.

    I don't remember a single arena which was functional for GvG'ers their need. I think the complaints we had about 5 years ago were relevant for most of the "revamped" arenas received. Pretty sure this also doesn't exactly hurt you.

    Oh wait, you're one of these players that demands everyone play the game casually. Anyone who doesn't is elitist and awful while you can't do anything wrong.

    I can't wait until PvE players abandon their new PvE maps. I can't wait until every comm leaves your server while you throw tantrums about how your ranger must be accepted everywhere, always. I seem to remember complaints about not having any squads to join while not being willing to reroll off your ranger :trollface:

    I seem to remember complaints about me, while following me, demanding I do what you want me to and lead you while refusing to do anything I asked.

    Yup, sounds accurate.

    Yes, he builds trebs in briar and shoots at middle isle gvg spot. Funny actually.

  • Etheri.5406Etheri.5406 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Offair.2563 said:

    @Etheri.5406 said:

    @Offair.2563 said:
    Look gvg scene got yet another arena (revamp). Let's see how quick they abandon this and complain about not having gvg options.

    I don't remember a single arena which was functional for GvG'ers their need. I think the complaints we had about 5 years ago were relevant for most of the "revamped" arenas received. Pretty sure this also doesn't exactly hurt you.

    Oh wait, you're one of these players that demands everyone play the game casually. Anyone who doesn't is elitist and awful while you can't do anything wrong.

    I can't wait until PvE players abandon their new PvE maps. I can't wait until every comm leaves your server while you throw tantrums about how your ranger must be accepted everywhere, always. I seem to remember complaints about not having any squads to join while not being willing to reroll off your ranger :trollface:

    I seem to remember complaints about me, while following me, demanding I do what you want me to and lead you while refusing to do anything I asked.

    Yup, sounds accurate.

    Obsidian sanctum arena says hello o/

    Which is locked behind a matchup. With 5 matchups, in any given week you can expect to fight 20% of the GvG guilds.

    Surely you can see how being unable to fight against 80% (!) of the population in any given week, that makes competition and healthy gameplay a whole lot harder. Except oh wait... You hate these kind of players and rather have them quit.

    My bad!

  • Etheri.5406Etheri.5406 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Fat Disgrace.4275 said:

    @Etheri.5406 said:

    @Offair.2563 said:
    Look gvg scene got yet another arena (revamp). Let's see how quick they abandon this and complain about not having gvg options.

    I don't remember a single arena which was functional for GvG'ers their need. I think the complaints we had about 5 years ago were relevant for most of the "revamped" arenas received. Pretty sure this also doesn't exactly hurt you.

    Oh wait, you're one of these players that demands everyone play the game casually. Anyone who doesn't is elitist and awful while you can't do anything wrong.

    I can't wait until PvE players abandon their new PvE maps. I can't wait until every comm leaves your server while you throw tantrums about how your ranger must be accepted everywhere, always. I seem to remember complaints about not having any squads to join while not being willing to reroll off your ranger :trollface:

    I seem to remember complaints about me, while following me, demanding I do what you want me to and lead you while refusing to do anything I asked.

    Yup, sounds accurate.

    Yes, he builds trebs in briar and shoots at middle isle gvg spot. Funny actually.

    He threw several tantrums for me not babysitting "our" garri when linked yet seemed unable to properly defend with siege in a T3 garri against barely any players. Half the time if I show up the enemies would run on sight of our group.

    He threw several tantrums along with his guild for me and my guild not catering to gank players while zerging. Appearantly if I lead public I must lead public for all of them, and I must also come defend anything they can't defend... Even if that's their own fault. Even if it's barely 20 attackers. Even if i'm inside the enemies T3 garri. Even if I trade their entire T3 bl for his slowly upgrading T2 side keep.

    Yet the moment other players are fighting eachother? Yup, as you state. Building siege and trying to tag both sides. Desperately trying to grief anyone that actually fights in the mode... Or perhaps trying to convince themselves that getting kills = killing players even if you just spam siege in their general direction.

    I know exactly what kind of player we're dealing with. Crazy toxic towards anyone who doesn't play the game the way they demand; then super upset the moment we treat them the exact same.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @starhunter.6015 said:

    . As for the rules there is not much difference between PvE and WvW

    Incorrect, pve ruleset is huge.
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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LetoII.3782 said:

    @starhunter.6015 said:

    . As for the rules there is not much difference between PvE and WvW

    Incorrect, pve ruleset is huge.
    Old-school retal was no joke

    And mounts......

  • EZ are a bunch of tryhards thats all, they defend t1 camps and sentry posts in favour of t3 structures. i wish i had those skills

  • CrimsonNeonite.1048CrimsonNeonite.1048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 9, 2018

    From what I've seen, the OS Arena is still bigger and better, with less obstruction, but it's tied to the Matchups each server has.
    The Mists Arena should of been done years ago though, when there were many GvG guilds; like in 2014 or something. Or even, when we had hype around the Guild Hall Arenas; which were too small and had the PVE ruleset, which I don't think they could change so easily.

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