New playable race

[Alga.6498]

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

@Alga.6498 said:So, let me get it all right;No expansions - HoT & PoF expansions.No raids - added later on after HoT exp.No mounts - PoF expansion content.No new playable races - next expansion??

Who knows really what ANet is up to and what's on the table.New races are one of the most requested content of the playerbase, it would be a shame and a bad move if ANet dont grant us this in the future.

They never said there will never be expansions; the possibility was always left open. They never said anything about mounts. They never said raids wouldn't be in the games; they always left open the possibility.

Oh please, if you have been here at the start you would know these kind of stuff. Clearly you haven't been around that long. However, they DID said ''no expansions will ever come to GW2'' because of the Living World, you can even look it up at the older forum.

[Alga.6498]

@maddoctor.2738 said:

@"Alga.6498" said:So, let me get it all right;No expansions - HoT & PoF expansions.They said that expansions aren't needed because of their Living World model. However, the Living World model failed and that's why they changed it to an expansion model. That was more out of necessity.

No raids - added later on after HoT exp.They said that their Orr Temple events and their explorable dungeons will be content for those that play Raids in other games. Both of these failed to attract players that play Raids in other games, or at least to keep them in the game for long. Which is why... we got them with Heart of Thorns.

No mounts - PoF expansion content.They absolutely never said no to mounts. They only said "there won't be mounts on launch". That's it. They NEVER commented on any of the mount threads that appeared on the forums for YEARS. Not even once.

No new playable races - next expansion??They said, multiple times, that Races are "highly unlikely" and not something that we'll see with the current direction. Not a definite "no", the future is in flux and it's not very good for a game developer to say "absolutely no" to a feature, but it's not something we'll see any time soon and it's NOT a priority.

So Races are completely different to Expansions (financial reasons), Raids (past promises?) and Mounts (never even commented about them). Instead the developers were clear that Races are not coming in the near future, something they never done with any of the above.

And WHY do you honest believe they would spoil or give hints of upcoming content such as new playable races anyway? IF they are planning to create new races, they wait until the actual expansion announcement, right?

''oh hey guys, anet dev here- just wanted to tell u all that new races will be added next exp, have fun with this spoiler!!!!11 :) :) :) :)''Oh my god.. :lol:

[Pifil.5193]

It's very important to note that, as a rule, ArenaNet don't say they won't do something, they tend to say that they don't have any current plans to do something. In fact the whole "everything's on the table" is still a common meme.

A new race is possible, but highly unlikely, for the reasons they've given on a few occasions now. However, if they do add a new race it's very unlikely to be dwarves as they've effectively been written out of the story now. If they add a new race I think it's more likely to be tengu as they were originally planned as a playable race and there may even be some assets lying around from before they were cut.

[Pifil.5193]

@Alga.6498 said:

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

@Alga.6498 said:So, let me get it all right;No expansions - HoT & PoF expansions.No raids - added later on after HoT exp.No mounts - PoF expansion content.No new playable races - next expansion??

Who knows really what ANet is up to and what's on the table.New races are one of the most requested content of the playerbase, it would be a shame and a bad move if ANet dont grant us this in the future.

They never said there will never be expansions; the possibility was always left open. They never said anything about mounts. They never said raids wouldn't be in the games; they always left open the possibility.

Oh please, if you have been here at the start you would know these kind of stuff. Clearly you haven't been around that long. However, they DID said ''no expansions will ever come to GW2'' because of the Living World, you can even look it up at the older forum.

No, that's not quite what they said. Mike Zadorojny said:

"If we do this right, we will probably never do an expansion and everything will be going into this Living World strategy."

It's important to read the entire statement, in context, he was being asked if an expansion would come in the year after launch in an interview about the Living World. It's pretty obvious that the Living World strategy didn't work out, they couldn't "do it right" so their plans changed.

[maddoctor.2738]

@"Alga.6498" said:And WHY do you honest believe they would spoil or give hints of upcoming content such as new playable races anyway? IF they are planning to create new races, they wait until the actual expansion announcement, right?

I suggest you check the slightly higher on this page. I'll paste the important part:

We also talked a bit about things that are probably not happening. New professions, for example, have probably been sidelined forever in favor of new elite specializations; they allow the team to change the feel of a given profession without actually forcing you to play a new character along the way. New races, too, are a lot of work for limited rewards, and any sort of console development is also not something the team is focused on.

Given how the story is planned many many months in advance and someone would imagine if a new race was part of that story they wouldn't say that it's not currently under consideration. Remember that with mounts they NEVER said they won't be coming, they never said "it's a lot of work for limited rewards" regarding mounts. But they did say it multiple times for Races. It's highly unlikely to say that a feature is NOT on the table and is too much work, then release it 1 year later (in the 3rd expansion).

If races are considered I'd expect them to be in expansion 4, if something drastic happens on the way and changes the perception about them.

[Illconceived Was Na.9781]

@Alga.6498 said:

@Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

@Alga.6498 said:So, let me get it all right;No expansions - HoT & PoF expansions.No raids - added later on after HoT exp.No mounts - PoF expansion content.No new playable races - next expansion??

Who knows really what ANet is up to and what's on the table.New races are one of the most requested content of the playerbase, it would be a shame and a bad move if ANet dont grant us this in the future.

They never said there will never be expansions; the possibility was always left open. They never said anything about mounts. They never said raids wouldn't be in the games; they always left open the possibility.

Oh please, if you have been here at the start you would know these kind of stuff. Clearly you haven't been around that long. However, they DID said ''no expansions will ever come to GW2'' because of the Living World, you can even look it up at the older forum.

They said their plan was to use the Living World to update the game world. They didn't say that expansions weren't going to happen, just it wasn't the plan. Part of that same plan was funding the game entirely through the gem shop (no expansions, no other revenue source). That income wasn't as high or as steady as they expected, so they changed to a different funding model.

Again, in contrast, new races doesn't bring in steady new revenue, it increases the cost of maintaining the game.

ANet very rarely comments at all on future plans unless (a) they are imminent, (b) they need to set out expectations and/or get feedback, or © they can rule them out. In this case, they have ruled out new races happening in the near-, mid-, and long-term.

[Ulyssean.1709]

@Danikat.8537 said:

@"infrequentia.3465" said:but they can't comeback

there all dead except for ogden but thats just a head

They're not dead, they're just underground fighting the destroyers. And Ogden isn't just a head, he's the dwarf who works with the Priory and who helps us get to Glint's Lair during the living story. The one who is just a head is Rhoban (who also teams up with the Priory later).

The other dwarves might well come back into the story at some point, especially if we end up fighting Primordius or otherwise going underground. But I think it's unlikely they'll ever be a playable race because they're now completely single-minded and devoted to fighting the destroyers so they wouldn't be able to do anything else.

The Guild Wars wiki says that only the Deldrimor turned to Stone. This means The Stone Summit never took part in the Rite. The wiki also says"After the death of Duncan, who is said to be the last Hierophant of the Stone Summit, it is unknown what happened to them."Also, back when the Rite was cast during the events of Eye of the North, it's reasonable to say that not all Deldrimor would have been able to take part. Dwarves out in The Mists, etc.

[Dante.1763]

@Ulyssean.1709 said:

@Danikat.8537 said:

@"infrequentia.3465" said:but they can't comeback

there all dead except for ogden but thats just a head

They're not dead, they're just underground fighting the destroyers. And Ogden isn't just a head, he's the dwarf who works with the Priory and who helps us get to Glint's Lair during the living story. The one who is just a head is Rhoban (who also teams up with the Priory later).

The other dwarves might well come back into the story at some point, especially if we end up fighting Primordius or otherwise going underground. But I think it's unlikely they'll ever be a playable race because they're now completely single-minded and devoted to fighting the destroyers so they wouldn't be able to do anything else.

The Guild Wars wiki says that only the Deldrimor turned to Stone. This means The Stone Summit never took part in the Rite. The wiki also says"After the death of Duncan, who is said to be the last Hierophant of the Stone Summit, it is unknown what happened to them."Also, back when the Rite was cast during the events of Eye of the North, it's reasonable to say that not all Deldrimor would have been able to take part. Dwarves out in The Mists, etc.

From the GW2 wiki itself:

"Dwarven society continued on regardless. During this time, the remaining Stone Summit rejoined what remained of Deldrimor and the two communities lived together in peace once more. However, about fifty years after the Rite of the Great Dwarf was first performed, the last of the flesh and blood dwarves felt the call to undergo the Rite themselves."

All dwarves are now stone.

[Ulyssean.1709]

@Dante.1763 said:

@Ulyssean.1709 said:

@Danikat.8537 said:

@"infrequentia.3465" said:but they can't comeback

there all dead except for ogden but thats just a head

They're not dead, they're just underground fighting the destroyers. And Ogden isn't just a head, he's the dwarf who works with the Priory and who helps us get to Glint's Lair during the living story. The one who is just a head is Rhoban (who also teams up with the Priory later).

The other dwarves might well come back into the story at some point, especially if we end up fighting Primordius or otherwise going underground. But I think it's unlikely they'll ever be a playable race because they're now completely single-minded and devoted to fighting the destroyers so they wouldn't be able to do anything else.

The Guild Wars wiki says that only the Deldrimor turned to Stone. This means The Stone Summit never took part in the Rite. The wiki also says"After the death of Duncan, who is said to be the last Hierophant of the Stone Summit, it is unknown what happened to them."Also, back when the Rite was cast during the events of Eye of the North, it's reasonable to say that not all Deldrimor would have been able to take part. Dwarves out in The Mists, etc.

From the GW2 wiki itself:

"Dwarven society continued on regardless. During this time, the remaining Stone Summit rejoined what remained of Deldrimor and the two communities lived together in peace once more. However, about fifty years after the Rite of the Great Dwarf was first performed, the last of the flesh and blood dwarves felt the call to undergo the Rite themselves."

All dwarves are now stone.

I can't find the source for that information. Only a vague promise that someone heard someone say that.

[Susy.7529]

Elder Dragon as a new playable race.Let's destroy the world together!

[Dante.1763]

@Ulyssean.1709 said:

@Dante.1763 said:

@Ulyssean.1709 said:

@Danikat.8537 said:

@"infrequentia.3465" said:but they can't comeback

there all dead except for ogden but thats just a head

They're not dead, they're just underground fighting the destroyers. And Ogden isn't just a head, he's the dwarf who works with the Priory and who helps us get to Glint's Lair during the living story. The one who is just a head is Rhoban (who also teams up with the Priory later).

The other dwarves might well come back into the story at some point, especially if we end up fighting Primordius or otherwise going underground. But I think it's unlikely they'll ever be a playable race because they're now completely single-minded and devoted to fighting the destroyers so they wouldn't be able to do anything else.

The Guild Wars wiki says that only the Deldrimor turned to Stone. This means The Stone Summit never took part in the Rite. The wiki also says"After the death of Duncan, who is said to be the last Hierophant of the Stone Summit, it is unknown what happened to them."Also, back when the Rite was cast during the events of Eye of the North, it's reasonable to say that not all Deldrimor would have been able to take part. Dwarves out in The Mists, etc.

From the GW2 wiki itself:

"Dwarven society continued on regardless. During this time, the remaining Stone Summit rejoined what remained of Deldrimor and the two communities lived together in peace once more. However, about fifty years after the Rite of the Great Dwarf was first performed, the last of the flesh and blood dwarves felt the call to undergo the Rite themselves."

All dwarves are now stone.

I can't find the source for that information. Only a vague promise that someone heard someone say that.

Ogden states in a priory mission during the main storyline that the entirety of his species is in the depths fighting the great destroyer, and he alone remains above to tell the tale(this was way before the LW episode with the dwarf above ground.)

Ogdens and the players qoutes:

Ogden Stonehealer: You've averted a catastrophe and saved the Priory. I've seen scores of heroes in my day, and I'd wager your name will soon be among them.Player: Now that we've got a moment, tell me about your kind.  Ogden Stonehealer: Certainly. The least I can do is tell you about my people, since you saved my life. Ask away.   Player: I'd heard the dwarves were extinct. Are there many left?   Ogden Stonehealer: As a race of flesh and blood, we became extinct over 200 years ago. We made a great sacrifice to defeat the destroyers, servants of the Elder Dragon Primordus.      Player:  I'd like to hear more about that.

However if you want an interview, i give you an interview.

Ten Ton Hammer: Dwarves are believedto possess more knowledge about dragons like Zhaitan, but what remainsof the dwarven race has been scattered? Will there be dwarves in thegame that might possess information related to the dragons and perhapstheir awakening?

Jeff: The dwarves knew of theGreat Destroyer, the harbinger of Primordus, and knew of Jormag, andmay have had knowledge of the other dragons as well. However, in Guild Wars 2, the dwarves havetransformed into stone forms and have descended into the depths tobattle minions of Primordus. There are a few remaining dwarves on thesurface that may be of some help to players, but for the most part, thedwarves have taken their knowledge of the dragons with them deepunderground.

[Vayne.8563]

Pretty sure that Anet intentionally changed the dwarves in Eye of the North to get rid of the dwarf trope, so that this game could not be like every other "standard" MMO and it's good they did. You could call Sylvari elves, but they're really not. You could call Norns dwarves, but they're again, not. This game has a world that's unique to itself. Anet would be foolish not to keep it that way. Say no to dwarves (and vampires and werewolves while we're at it).

[Sojourner.4621]

@Ayakaru.6583 said:Edit; it would be called the Black Desert of the Elder Rune-World of Guildwars-Craft Scrolls-Scape

Black Desert of the Elder Rune-World of Guildwars-Craft Scrolls-Scape Online.

[Leo G.4501]

Alls I can say is, when they start talks about the new race they're adding is when I'll come back with my wallet.

[sorudo.9054]

i love it back but it's a closed minded mess here, there are tons of reasons and ways to get dwarves in GW2 but ppl can't see beyond the obvious.

[Scar.1793]

Dwarves aren’t dead but all made of Stone and deep underground supposedly fighting off destroyers.

[Ayakaru.6583]

@sorudo.9054 said:i love it back but it's a closed minded mess here, there are tons of reasons and ways to get dwarves in GW2 but ppl can't see beyond the obvious.

The obvious the dwarves being the Great Dwarf and near extinct?Because you people want the dwarves back so badly you are willing to ignore the actual events of the game.Thats just like saying “whoops, here is Zhaitan again”

[Ayakaru.6583]

@Scar.1793 said:Dwarves aren’t dead but all made of Stone and deep underground supposedly fighting off destroyers.

That was 250 years ago, they’re near extinct now

[sorudo.9054]

@Ayakaru.6583 said:

@Scar.1793 said:Dwarves aren’t dead but all made of Stone and deep underground supposedly fighting off destroyers.

That was 250 years ago, they’re near extinct now

so humans should be too, norns should be too but look at that, still alive and thriving.

[Ayakaru.6583]

@sorudo.9054 said:

@Ayakaru.6583 said:

@Scar.1793 said:Dwarves aren’t dead but all made of Stone and deep underground supposedly fighting off destroyers.

That was 250 years ago, they’re near extinct now

so humans should be too, norns should be too but look at that, still alive and thriving.

Humans and Norn didn't become the Great Dwarf and dedicate themselves to keep the Central Transfer Chamber sealed in eternal conbat until they were extinct enough to let the destroyers reach the surface.

What kind of comparison is that?

[Scar.1793]

Imo Tengu is the only race they could add, if they ever add one. I bet next expac is around blood legion territories up north and unexplored parts of shiverpeaks.

[Danikat.8537]

@sorudo.9054 said:i love it back but it's a closed minded mess here, there are tons of reasons and ways to get dwarves in GW2 but ppl can't see beyond the obvious.

They could get dwarves back. Its a fictional world with physics and magic and alternate dimensions and all sorts of things we don't know much of anything about yet, so they could do almost anything.

The question is having gone out of their way to write dwarves out of the storyline in preparation for releasing GW2 are they likely to add them back in and could they do it in a way that doesn't make a mess of the story they've already written?

There's also a lot of other considerations for adding any new race - like the need to add new starting zones and a large chunk of story to introduce them to the game and explain how they're involved in events, which will only actually be played by people who pick that race. Is it worth the time and effort to develop and introduce a new race (any race, not just dwarves) over using that time to develop another feature which may appeal to more people?

[Dante.1763]

@Ayakaru.6583 said:

@sorudo.9054 said:

@Ayakaru.6583 said:

@Scar.1793 said:Dwarves aren’t dead but all made of Stone and deep underground supposedly fighting off destroyers.

That was 250 years ago, they’re near extinct now

so humans should be too, norns should be too but look at that, still alive and thriving.

Humans and Norn didn't become the Great Dwarf and dedicate themselves to keep the Central Transfer Chamber sealed in eternal conbat until they were extinct enough to let the destroyers reach the surface.

What kind of comparison is that?

Logic and facts mean nothing to people: its the same bloody reason we see elf threads all the time.

[sorudo.9054]

@Ayakaru.6583 said:

@sorudo.9054 said:

@Ayakaru.6583 said:

@Scar.1793 said:Dwarves aren’t dead but all made of Stone and deep underground supposedly fighting off destroyers.

That was 250 years ago, they’re near extinct now

so humans should be too, norns should be too but look at that, still alive and thriving.

Humans and Norn didn't become the Great Dwarf and dedicate themselves to keep the Central Transfer Chamber sealed in eternal conbat until they were extinct enough to let the destroyers reach the surface.

What kind of comparison is that?

and that's the whole closed minded part i am talking about, think beyond that.what if there is a dwarf race beyond the borders of tyria, a race that wants nothing to do with the great dwarf and made their own way of existence.

[maddoctor.2738]

@sorudo.9054 said:and that's the whole closed minded part i am talking about, think beyond that.what if there is a dwarf race beyond the borders of tyria, a race that wants nothing to do with the great dwarf and made their own way of existence.

Why not add a unique/new race beyond the borders of Tyria instead of adding Dwarves?