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Most Updated Meta for Fractals?

Is Metabattle still the go to for Raid meta builds? Are meta builds for Raids just as relevant for Fractals?

If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

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  • Asum.4960Asum.4960 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 3, 2018

    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    /E: If you are a dedicated Speedrunner with a static group of really good players, you can ditch the Druid. Pugs, even the good ones speeding through CM's + T4, in my experience and looking at LFG at any time, run the comp I provided.
    Discretize has been getting outdated by multiple patches over months now, so I would still recommend to at least double check builds from there at Snowcrows.

    "As you know, those who you once called friends have become enemies." ~Glint

  • That's still the pug meta, some static groups run Chrono/BS/DPSx3 with one being a power soulbeast for the spirit.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Never heard of discretize are someone new trying to take over snow crows meta teaching?

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2, 2018

    @Linken.6345 said:
    Never heard of discretize are someone new trying to take over snow crows meta teaching?

    Nah, some of them are (were?) in both guilds. Although both game modes share common stuff there are important differences especially when it comes to speed clearing.

  • segman.3560segman.3560 Member ✭✭✭

    Also discreditize builds take fractal potions into consideration.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Obtena asking for meta builds... I would have seen everything.

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    That only works for good players.

  • segman.3560segman.3560 Member ✭✭✭

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    Since fractals are daily, good and bad players get same rewards, no matter the effort or skill :)

  • @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    That's not the meta comp for fractals. Meta comps ditched the druid, compressed the healing on chrono and got a third pure pDPS.

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2, 2018

    @Lunateric.3708 said:
    That's not the meta comp for fractals. Meta comps ditched the druid, compressed the healing on chrono and got a third pure pDPS.

    Well, it's meta for over 90% of all fractal groups since only very good players are playing without a dedicated healer. Similar to raids where most of the squads have 2 healing druids.

  • @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Lunateric.3708 said:
    That's not the meta comp for fractals. Meta comps ditched the druid, compressed the healing on chrono and got a third pure pDPS.

    Well, it's meta for over 90% of all fractal groups since only very good players are playing without a dedicated healer. Similar to raids where most of the squads have 2 healing druids.

    You see SC comps be called meta comps with a single healer so it's fair to say meta isn't most commonly used, it's simply most effective.

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @segman.3560 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    Since fractals are daily, good and bad players get same rewards, no matter the effort or skill :)

    not talking about rewards. talking about experience in run itself. having a druid just slows dps. better have minstrel chrono and rest dps and warr for cc/boonstrip

  • Asum.4960Asum.4960 Member ✭✭✭

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    When someone is asking for a comp in the first place, I think it's save to assume they don't run a static with exceptionally good players on a daily basis already, and telling them what 99.9% of pugs run made more sense to me personally, but, sure.

    "As you know, those who you once called friends have become enemies." ~Glint

  • segman.3560segman.3560 Member ✭✭✭

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @segman.3560 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    Since fractals are daily, good and bad players get same rewards, no matter the effort or skill :)

    not talking about rewards. talking about experience in run itself. having a druid just slows dps. better have minstrel chrono and rest dps and warr for cc/boonstrip

    For those who are not good enough or who prefer safe gameplay, their experience must be improved when taking druid though.

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @segman.3560 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @segman.3560 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    Since fractals are daily, good and bad players get same rewards, no matter the effort or skill :)

    not talking about rewards. talking about experience in run itself. having a druid just slows dps. better have minstrel chrono and rest dps and warr for cc/boonstrip

    For those who are not good enough or who prefer safe gameplay, their experience must be improved when taking druid though.

    this game is already easy and you need a healer to fix people's feeding problems?

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @segman.3560 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    Since fractals are daily, good and bad players get same rewards, no matter the effort or skill :)

    not talking about rewards. talking about experience in run itself. having a druid just slows dps. better have minstrel chrono and rest dps and warr for cc/boonstrip

    The fun part is you don't even lose 5 minutes when using a druid due to "brb door bell", "sec, cat needs to eat", "sry bio afk 1 min", "sry, forgot pots", "sry, wrong weapon/gear" or "oh, forgot to press the confirmation button".
    In a dedicated speed run environment it makes sense to go full ham. For pugs - even in CMs - the druid variant is the more comfortable way. I've seen too many people struggling and groups disbanding because they couldn't handle the pressure resulting in a lot more wasted time.

    cuz they're feeders

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @Asum.4960 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    When someone is asking for a comp in the first place, I think it's save to assume they don't run a static with exceptionally good players on a daily basis already, and telling them what 99.9% of pugs run made more sense to me personally, but, sure.

    did 3 dps without a healer few times with pugs without a problem. no idea what's so hard in zis game.

  • Feanor.2358Feanor.2358 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @sakura.7961 said:
    Discretize for fractals, Snow Crows for raids

    dT are still listing power staff weaver at 41k huge. This is like 3 months ago.

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2018

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @segman.3560 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    Since fractals are daily, good and bad players get same rewards, no matter the effort or skill :)

    not talking about rewards. talking about experience in run itself. having a druid just slows dps. better have minstrel chrono and rest dps and warr for cc/boonstrip

    The fun part is you don't even lose 5 minutes when using a druid due to "brb door bell", "sec, cat needs to eat", "sry bio afk 1 min", "sry, forgot pots", "sry, wrong weapon/gear" or "oh, forgot to press the confirmation button".
    In a dedicated speed run environment it makes sense to go full ham. For pugs - even in CMs - the druid variant is the more comfortable way. I've seen too many people struggling and groups disbanding because they couldn't handle the pressure resulting in a lot more wasted time.

    cuz they're feeders

    No, they are not. That's just bs talk.

    @Draco.9480 said:
    did 3 dps without a healer few times with pugs without a problem. no idea what's so hard in zis game.

    Ye, in a KP group. No wonder... sigh

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @segman.3560 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    Since fractals are daily, good and bad players get same rewards, no matter the effort or skill :)

    not talking about rewards. talking about experience in run itself. having a druid just slows dps. better have minstrel chrono and rest dps and warr for cc/boonstrip

    The fun part is you don't even lose 5 minutes when using a druid due to "brb door bell", "sec, cat needs to eat", "sry bio afk 1 min", "sry, forgot pots", "sry, wrong weapon/gear" or "oh, forgot to press the confirmation button".
    In a dedicated speed run environment it makes sense to go full ham. For pugs - even in CMs - the druid variant is the more comfortable way. I've seen too many people struggling and groups disbanding because they couldn't handle the pressure resulting in a lot more wasted time.

    cuz they're feeders

    No, they are not. That's just bs talk.

    @Draco.9480 said:
    did 3 dps without a healer few times with pugs without a problem. no idea what's so hard in zis game.

    Ye, in a KP group. No wonder... sigh

    i joined 200+ kp groups without kp by telling people I've sold my KP and bring confidence to my gameplay. on the first boss they see good dps or good boons/cc or good banners depends on what i play.

  • Vinceman.4572Vinceman.4572 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Draco.9480 said:
    i joined 200+ kp groups without kp by telling people I've sold my KP and bring confidence to my gameplay. on the first boss they see good dps or good boons/cc or good banners depends on what i play.

    What's the point? Most of those groups still won't let you run with them without showing kp or are anywhere near to beat CMs without a heal druid. The exception proves the rule.
    Additionally, for a daily "grind" it's way more comfortable to have more support instead of living on the edge every single day. I consider gaming as a hobby after my work. I don't need to prove my skill every new day in a video game. I'd rather beat the clock when doing sports. That's where people are different, have a different mindset and want to play different without being trash at all. And since we are talking about fractals which are made to be done on a daily basis the intention of Anet is clear on this.

  • tim.4596tim.4596 Member ✭✭
    edited September 8, 2018

    @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:
    i joined 200+ kp groups without kp by telling people I've sold my KP and bring confidence to my gameplay. on the first boss they see good dps or good boons/cc or good banners depends on what i play.

    What's the point? Most of those groups still won't let you run with them without showing kp or are anywhere near to beat CMs without a heal druid. The exception proves the rule.
    Additionally, for a daily "grind" it's way more comfortable to have more support instead of living on the edge every single day. I consider gaming as a hobby after my work. I don't need to prove my skill every new day in a video game. I'd rather beat the clock when doing sports. That's where people are different, have a different mindset and want to play different without being trash at all. And since we are talking about fractals which are made to be done on a daily basis the intention of Anet is clear on this.

    I must agree with Vinceman there, when you join a daily fractal run with pugs, you will prefer a support class to a 3rd DPS, there are too many variable which will make a third DPS not viable. CC being one of them and ultimately reliability on people that you don't know (what can you expect of your pug chrono haha).

    Also what people are not precising here is that the chrono often runs minstrel gear with monk runes in a 3 DPS setup. How many chrono can run that setup on the go?

  • @Feanor.2358 said:

    @sakura.7961 said:
    Discretize for fractals, Snow Crows for raids

    dT are still listing power staff weaver at 41k huge. This is like 3 months ago.

    Yeah it seems 90% of the builds haven't been updated since May!

  • @Draco.9480
    i joined 200+ kp groups without kp by telling people I've sold my KP and bring confidence to my gameplay. on the first boss they see good dps or good boons/cc or good banners depends on what i play.

    I get what you are saying but the point that a few people in here are trying to make is that: Not everyone is confident in their gameplay like you are, or aren't as good, not as experienced... so it is the "pug" (LFG) way to bring a stacked team that is SAFE and you spend the most minimal amount of time without the possibility of a wipe if you bring a dedicated healer (Firebrand or Druid - since Auramancer/Revenant can't provide might or dmg increase spirits).

  • RAZOR.7246RAZOR.7246 Member ✭✭
    edited September 10, 2018

    Frac meta right now is zerk chrono, bswarr, zerk soulbeast and 2 weaver. Either that or 1 weaver, 1 fa tempest depending on the fractal. If your group isn’t good enough with uptimes or can’t handle no healer then heal chrono and run fa temp permanently. That said you won’t find many of these in LFG. Pugs are more comfortable with Druid comps so if you want these “Meta” runs I’d advise looking for a static. There’s a video up by roul I believe explaining what to use for each fractal but I can’t find the link.

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @tim.4596 said:

    @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:
    i joined 200+ kp groups without kp by telling people I've sold my KP and bring confidence to my gameplay. on the first boss they see good dps or good boons/cc or good banners depends on what i play.

    What's the point? Most of those groups still won't let you run with them without showing kp or are anywhere near to beat CMs without a heal druid. The exception proves the rule.
    Additionally, for a daily "grind" it's way more comfortable to have more support instead of living on the edge every single day. I consider gaming as a hobby after my work. I don't need to prove my skill every new day in a video game. I'd rather beat the clock when doing sports. That's where people are different, have a different mindset and want to play different without being trash at all. And since we are talking about fractals which are made to be done on a daily basis the intention of Anet is clear on this.

    I must agree with Vinceman there, when you join a daily fractal run with pugs, you will prefer a support class to a 3rd DPS, there are too many variable which will make a third DPS not viable. CC being one of them and ultimately reliability on people that you don't know (what can you expect of your pug chrono haha).

    Also what people are not precising here is that the chrono often runs minstrel gear with monk runes in a 3 DPS setup. How many chrono can run that setup on the go?

    i run that minstrel chrono if we don't have a chrono to do it. warr and chrono are only needed for cc, everyone else can just dps. that's why you demand high kp or get some friends. people who fail super basic should just be kicked from the party if they can't pull their own weight.

  • Draco.9480Draco.9480 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:
    i joined 200+ kp groups without kp by telling people I've sold my KP and bring confidence to my gameplay. on the first boss they see good dps or good boons/cc or good banners depends on what i play.

    What's the point? Most of those groups still won't let you run with them without showing kp or are anywhere near to beat CMs without a heal druid. The exception proves the rule.
    Additionally, for a daily "grind" it's way more comfortable to have more support instead of living on the edge every single day. I consider gaming as a hobby after my work. I don't need to prove my skill every new day in a video game. I'd rather beat the clock when doing sports. That's where people are different, have a different mindset and want to play different without being trash at all. And since we are talking about fractals which are made to be done on a daily basis the intention of Anet is clear on this.

    i consistently manage to join those groups i say i've Voice, DD, LNHB+sold KP and say 300+ kp experience and people believe me. I show 'em confidence and i manage to do it. no idea about others.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @segman.3560 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @segman.3560 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Asum.4960 said:
    I would recommend Snowcrows for Meta Builds.

    That said, not much is changing, as always it is Chrono, Druid, BS, *2 pDPS.

    why druid and 2 dps? waste of dps. get 3 dps instead a healer.

    Since fractals are daily, good and bad players get same rewards, no matter the effort or skill :)

    not talking about rewards. talking about experience in run itself. having a druid just slows dps. better have minstrel chrono and rest dps and warr for cc/boonstrip

    For those who are not good enough or who prefer safe gameplay, their experience must be improved when taking druid though.

    this game is already easy and you need a healer to fix people's feeding problems?

    Opinion, not fact.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Draco.9480 said:

    @Vinceman.4572 said:

    @Draco.9480 said:
    i joined 200+ kp groups without kp by telling people I've sold my KP and bring confidence to my gameplay. on the first boss they see good dps or good boons/cc or good banners depends on what i play.

    What's the point? Most of those groups still won't let you run with them without showing kp or are anywhere near to beat CMs without a heal druid. The exception proves the rule.
    Additionally, for a daily "grind" it's way more comfortable to have more support instead of living on the edge every single day. I consider gaming as a hobby after my work. I don't need to prove my skill every new day in a video game. I'd rather beat the clock when doing sports. That's where people are different, have a different mindset and want to play different without being trash at all. And since we are talking about fractals which are made to be done on a daily basis the intention of Anet is clear on this.

    i consistently manage to join those groups i say i've Voice, DD, LNHB+sold KP and say 300+ kp experience and people believe me. I show 'em confidence and i manage to do it. no idea about others.

    Know all of those except DD?

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