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With the new raid just around the corner, anyone else think that Anet should make a monument in the Aerodrome with all the all the world first boss kills? Might put a lot more incentive if your name is forever locked in GW2 history.

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  • Do we need more incentive? Dhuum CM took the most and really it was just a matter of couple days of practice rather than figuring out stuff/very tight mechanics. I don't think Anet is really going to do "vertical" difficulty progression in a game with only horizontal progression, they seem so far to be only coming up with mechanics that are as unique as possible per boss. Consider that bosses like Sloth, Matthias and Sabetha are still troublesome to most groups yet completely farmable and proportional in difficulty, and first kills really don't seen that much impactful. That's not to say they have no merit at all, but I wouldn't give it a statue like I would to PvP tourney winners.

    Basically, GW2 raids while very fun and reasonably challenging (though the challenge mostly comes from the group aspect - mechanics are pretty much OK) are not a competitive game mode at all. Again, having raid tournaments streamed is fun as kitten, but that's like having a Smash Bros competition - in the end you know you're stretching the game mode.

  • No not really. Its a waste of resources and most and i do mean most of the population dont even care. I guess they will have bragging rights but then again who are they going to brag too that even cares.

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    No, its not secret that gw2 has used elite pve guilds in the past to beta test raids. Information about them slips out pre-release, first kills are not necessarily taking place on an even playing field.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @thrag.9740 said:
    No, its not secret that gw2 has used elite pve guilds in the past to beta test raids. Information about them slips out pre-release, first kills are not necessarily taking place on an even playing field.

    Thats not an issue, guilds that take part in testing can be excluded.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Magnus Godrik.5841 said:
    No not really. Its a waste of resources and most and i do mean most of the population dont even care. I guess they will have bragging rights but then again who are they going to brag too that even cares.

    Idk if most dont care. A raod release and the race do generate he most publicity for the game on twitch. Way more than the lw updates do.

  • Any type of content generates buzz for the game, especially if its great, regardless of what it is. But yeah i am excited for the raid as well. kitten the whole package is very, very interesting.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I just figured that their accomplishments should be recognized.

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:
    No, its not secret that gw2 has used elite pve guilds in the past to beta test raids. Information about them slips out pre-release, first kills are not necessarily taking place on an even playing field.

    Thats not an issue, guilds that take part in testing can be excluded.

    I assumed that would be the case. As I said, information slips out. A competition for an in game prize needs to have real rules, and a fair playing field. Such a world first monument could never achieve such a standard, because world first happens within days (or hours) of release. Either EU or NA will have a large advantage based on release time, not to mention Tuesday release favors people who can take time off work rather than wait for the weekend. Of course there is no such thing as perfectly fair playing field. But, If world first was something that took at least 2 weeks, then we could say it was reasonably fair I think. GW2 isn't that type of game.

  • I don't think GW2 raids are designed to be challenging enough for this to really matter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd be surprised if there's a single raid boss that wasn't defeated within a day or two of release. This is by design, though. There are no tiered difficulties or time-gating via gear progression here. Naturally, unless the raid is tuned to be practically impossible to beat, somebody is going to conquer it pretty quickly and practically every other guild that raids seriously will follow shortly after. GW2 just isn't the sort of game for this type of competitive raiding.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭

    I like the idea but the concerns are probably justified.

    Having your characters name immortalized in the game is a fun feature and I'd sure like to have that in some way.
    I'm not a raider though nor do I have much interest in PvP play so it would never happen for me lol

    First player to solo a bounty or take down a difficult group event or boss alone.. that I could do, might even have done.. but it's hardly something anyone would notice lol

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @thrag.9740 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @thrag.9740 said:
    No, its not secret that gw2 has used elite pve guilds in the past to beta test raids. Information about them slips out pre-release, first kills are not necessarily taking place on an even playing field.

    Thats not an issue, guilds that take part in testing can be excluded.

    I assumed that would be the case. As I said, information slips out. A competition for an in game prize needs to have real rules, and a fair playing field. Such a world first monument could never achieve such a standard, because world first happens within days (or hours) of release. Either EU or NA will have a large advantage based on release time, not to mention Tuesday release favors people who can take time off work rather than wait for the weekend. Of course there is no such thing as perfectly fair playing field. But, If world first was something that took at least 2 weeks, then we could say it was reasonably fair I think. GW2 isn't that type of game.

    Arenanet used to say which guilds helped in the past and we had guilds like quantify willingly not take place on the race because they tested.

    As for the time the release happens i dont see anything wrong with it if youncan compete you can if you cant tough luck. If a side of the world has so much more of an advantage they can then split it to na first and eu.

  • @zealex.9410 said:
    As for the time the release happens i dont see anything wrong with it if youncan compete you can if you cant tough luck. If a side of the world has so much more of an advantage they can then split it to na first and eu.

    But ANet didn't create a statue for whoever was first; it was bragging rights only. You've seen how testy people have gotten about various PvP titles, about the raid titles. Think of how cranky people will be if there's an actual in-game recognition, and there's any ambiguity about what's allowed.

    If you want to be first, be first. Post about here & on Reddit. Accept the kudos due and then move on.

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • thrag.9740thrag.9740 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 15, 2018

    @zealex.9410 said:

    As for the time the release happens i dont see anything wrong with it if youncan compete you can if you cant tough luck. If a side of the world has so much more of an advantage they can then split it to na first and eu.

    No thanks, I'd rather Anet's first ever in game competitive raid event not be a joke on par with Olympics being boycotted or the nfl all star game.

    edit: I suppose you could technically consider that event Anet ben did with sabetha and quip to be an in game competitive raid event, but considering it was just announced on reddit, and had nothing in game indicating it, I'm not sure that counts.

  • @thrag.9740 said:
    I suppose you could technically consider that event Anet ben did with sabetha and quip to be an in game competitive raid event, but considering it was just announced on reddit, and had nothing in game indicating it, I'm not sure that counts.

    Reminder: it was @Chris Cleary.8017's personal challenge (although I'm sure ANet Ben loved it, too).

    1000G (of my own gold) to the raid team that uploads a video (with audio) of a Sabetha kill with nothing but dual Quip thieves #forlols

    It's not anything close to the sort of thing proposed by the OP and only related to the studio because the prize money came from an employee. In effect, it was a fan-sponsored event, with said fan happening to be a Professor of Bear Bow math who works at ArenaNet.

    I'm sure u/P3RrYCH and the others were happy with the recognition, even if there was no statue to commemorate it.

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 15, 2018

    I don't know if it's still a thing but raids used to be tested by independant guilds before they were released. Which mean that these guilds had the time to familiarize themselve with raid and find proper strategies way before other player even see the opening of the raids wings.

    This monument thing would just end up being a monument to the memories of those raid testers... Nothing really appaeling to the player base since a minority among the minority would be greatly advantaged for this "reward".

    Edit: In fact it could even be a bad thing to implement which could threaten the moral intergrity of any tester and raid developer. Vanity and greed are very dangerous things that are best not triggered needlessly.

  • segman.3560segman.3560 Member ✭✭✭

    Something tells me they have no tools to track world first.

  • @segman.3560 said:
    Something tells me they have no tools to track world first.

    Efficiency can track items and you could track guild deco from a boss like that. Besides you really need to track a few guilds who plan to do it and have the brain to do it.

  • @segman.3560 said:
    Something tells me they have no tools to track world first.

    ANet has such tools. And they have used them in the past

    "With great power comes not-so-great utility bills."

  • segman.3560segman.3560 Member ✭✭✭

    @Deeyra.1476 said:

    @segman.3560 said:
    Something tells me they have no tools to track world first.

    Efficiency can track items and you could track guild deco from a boss like that. Besides you really need to track a few guilds who plan to do it and have the brain to do it.

    One thing you can tell about so called competitors is that they are loud. However I don't see why posting screenshots or twitch streams should be relevant in the matter. Most people will be watching them while it is not impossible for a quiet group to do real world first.

  • @segman.3560 said:

    @Deeyra.1476 said:

    @segman.3560 said:
    Something tells me they have no tools to track world first.

    Efficiency can track items and you could track guild deco from a boss like that. Besides you really need to track a few guilds who plan to do it and have the brain to do it.

    One thing you can tell about so called competitors is that they are loud. However I don't see why posting screenshots or twitch streams should be relevant in the matter. Most people will be watching them while it is not impossible for a quiet group to do real world first.

    Ye but lets be real and you will see there is no such group that aims for world first.

  • segman.3560segman.3560 Member ✭✭✭

    @Deeyra.1476 said:

    @segman.3560 said:

    @Deeyra.1476 said:

    @segman.3560 said:
    Something tells me they have no tools to track world first.

    Efficiency can track items and you could track guild deco from a boss like that. Besides you really need to track a few guilds who plan to do it and have the brain to do it.

    One thing you can tell about so called competitors is that they are loud. However I don't see why posting screenshots or twitch streams should be relevant in the matter. Most people will be watching them while it is not impossible for a quiet group to do real world first.

    Ye but lets be real and you will see there is no such group that aims for world first.

    How do you know that?

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