Let's talk stealth
Phyrak.7260
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Hey there,
With the recent reworks of classes/E specs, perhaps one may hope for a revision of the mechanic stealth and its impact on the game.
At current, stealth is binary - you are invisible or not; you are countered by revealed or not.
Stealth adds a layer of surprise but doesn't give a good way to counter by that of it's binary nature.
I have a few suggestions that no doubt have been mentioned before considering this topic and stealth throughout the years. Criticism, additions or any feedback is certainly welcome.
Not long ago I was watching a streamer of Heroes of the Storm and it came to my attention that stealth characters work on a gradient of seen to outright invisible.
They are given a light outline of their location and movement which can be attacked by the player.
Something along these lines may indeed work well for guild wars 2.
If at base, within a 150-300 radius surrounding the player character an outline of the character in stealth; this outline shown would depend on the scale of stealth and the scale of reveal.
Scaling of stealth and reveal itself would certainly be based on the classes available to each.
Eg:
A thief would scale higher to stealth and have less of an outline than a warrior would.
A warrior would gain access to lesser scaling stealth but due to being a more open fighter, perhaps higher reveal scaling with 'on my mark'
Additional mechanics:
Ranger certainly brings another addition to the mix of stealth.
Camouflage and invisibility may indeed be one and the same.
Invisibility allows for hiding and for the scaling of stealth whilst camouflage allws for the highest scaling to be hidden from sight but breaks on first contact of combat.
Both of these could work in tandem with a dead eye in the manner of stalking the foe to make for maximum damage.
Cloaked in shadow as the mark builds and can then gain camouflage for enabling the single damaging shot of Death's Judgement.
This is all more or less theoretical in the hopes to draw discussion for way new way of making stealth and reveal work better across all classes that have access to it and allow for greater play and counter play when it comes to such game play.
Thank you for reading,
-Phyrak
Comments
This sounds a bit like the stealth mechanic in WoW and the one in HotS, which you referred to, but I have some questions about your suggestion. White asking I’ll draw some parallels with WoW and HotS.
In WoW, stealth makes you slightly visible near an enemy, while also making the characteristic stealth sound when first getting in vicinity. This functions in WoW’s mostly stationary gameplay for Spellcasters for example, which creates some nice inter-class mechanics. Stealthed characters are also targetable in WoW.
In HotS it’s much like WoW, except that stealthed characters can be seen at any distance in any visible area, but they also can’t be targeted, requiring AoE or reveals to attack them.
In GW2, stealthed characters are completely invisible, making them difficult to counter by nature. But there’s a main difference between stealth in GW2 and the other two games. In GW2, stealth is only provided for a few seconds, providing a temporary respite for the character being stealthed, but also for the stealthed character’s opponent.
In WoW and HotS, stealth is mostly permanent when outside of combat, but also rarely entered in the middle of combat. It is used as an initial mechanic, allowing a character to stalk an unwary opponent.
In GW2, you can see the enemy when first approaching in the vicinity, which creates another dynamic, allowing the victim to better prepare because they’ll have seen them coming. In WoW you’re mostly unable to see them before they’re right next to you creating an immediate ambush.
Another thing to shortly note is the role of teleports between GW2, WoW and HotS in relation to stealth. I won’t go too deep with this, but in WoW and HotS, stealth is mostly used to initiate combat, while in GW2, teleports (shadowstep) is used to initiate combat. Creating a more mobile combat experience which works well with seeing your opponent coming.
Why do you think stealth in the other games are better? In what way? What do you think about the role of teleports? What about inter-class mechanics? I’d like to hear your thoughts on this.
I appreciate your knowledge and effort to post this
I am not sure about stealth being better but I see stealth and stealth mechanics more as a predator prey relationship
Teleport certainly adds an additional step to the mix - it in itself is a utility that can be used offensively or defensively depending on play. This too can be said about stealth.
As for stealth itself;
I think it would find a nice middle ground between the three examples depending on class and investment into the mechanic.
Stalking pray, surprise attack or to disappear all have a place for the respective classes that have access to stealth.
dual posting i see
I Have No friends, so I Must pug
A little
More or less to see what people think across the board
When browsing a forum I tend to have a different mindset depending on the sub forum I am seeking
Professions tend to seek more build craft thus, the second poster of this high lights this beautifully
Where as general, there is more of a discussion about the necessity of such a rework
Perhaps ArenaNet could experiment with an elite specialization that has permanent gradual stealth outside of combat. It would certainly be interesting and add a lot more to the gameplay in PvP.
This hits the mark!
Exactly what is needed
Experimentation is what gave the joy of mounts we have today
Well thief already have perma stealth in and out of combat if he wants so not sure why...
Dont look a gift Asura in the mouth.
No seriously, dont. Shark teeth.
Adding variety to stealth
Giving it a gradient would allow for some detection provided the player is paying attention to their environment
I think Stealth would be a lot better as a mechanic if there was an audio when there is a stealthed opponent near you. The audio could be a lot more intense when the opponent is close as opposed to when they are far(1500) away. Maybe add in that you would only hear the sound when they have Line of Sight on you(when far away).
Here are some changes to the stealth mechanics I can think of. Note that I do not say that all of them should happen but that any combination (some exclude each other) of the following may improve the stealth counterplay.
Edit: Added skill names to clarify point 6 and 7.
A simple little change like this could certainly help for counter play
You have me intrigued by it being a book
So just to clarify, longer lasting single stealth application (see Loki from Warframe)
Then the benefits of stealth are that of ease of escape or alpha damage.
This would certainly be an interesting way of doing the binary stealth mode