please stop duelling in WvW!!
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There is a time and a place for everything
WvW is NOT the time, and it is NOT the place for it.
I constantly run into fights in wvw, I see people from my server fighting people from other servers.
So I join in, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU DO IN SERVER vs SERVER.
The result is always; the people from my server stop fighting, and watch as I get slaughtered by the enemy.
I tell them to help me kill the enemy server's players, but they refuse, because apparantly 'i've interrupted a private fight'.
In every sense of the word, that is treason, or betrayal, or whatever word you want to give it.
Newsflash, you're in WvW, there are no private fights, you are a member of your server, and if I see members of my server fighting members of other servers,
I will attempt to help them kill the enemies.
You are representing your server in WvW, if you don't want to WvW, then don't come into WvW maps.
There's a lobby in PvP where you can fight freely with other players to your hearts contents.
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if it is red, it is dead.
we do not touch small nos. though unles they touch us.
nyorp, we're normally the small nos. so we dont avoid anyone.hehe.
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but normally we dont touch duellers. but if my guys hit them, i dont stop them either. it's a pk zone. there are places deep in the recesses of wvw where no one goes normally - they can always do it there.
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but ppl will do as they please. there is no rule against it.
Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.
Learn some WvW ethic. It formed throughout the years for a reason.
I think the problem here is
L2P.
But on topic,
Duels are easy to spot.. walk near, wait. If they dont attack you, then keep walking. and
Ignore.
I personally don't understand the preference to duelling in WvW or why they don't take it to OS. But it's their choice..and so long as they leave me alone than I don't care.
Why do you care, OP?
just like u can choose to hit anything and anyone, anyone cna decide not to help you out.. get over it
90‰of duels are in the same dueling spot, so stop whining and start to learn. For me dueling is a break from roaming and zerging, give 1 reason why i should t do that
make prepardness baseline plz
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Nailed it. I've seen "duelers" break off from duels to kill solo people running by to get to their group. Best not to wonder what any particular dueler's specific code of conduct is. Just kill everyone.
You made the choice to jump in, they made the choice to not help 2vs1 someone that they were in an agreed duel with. Believe it or not, there are LOTS of other cool/nice people from other servers, many of which are very good players you can learn better skill by fighting them one on one.
People who duel get stomped and ran over by groups/zergs ALL the time, they res and go back without crying. I duel all the time, and they are almost always by south sentry or windmill. You have no need to respect a duel, it is WvW after all, attack whoever you like....But don't come here to complain if they kill you, remember, most people who duel are actually pretty good (and run min/maxed builds for 1vs1), and most people who are on your server in that duel will 99% of the time stop attacking when someone else does, because winning a 2vs1 is not fun to them and proves nothing.
South sentry is more or less the spot now, because flipping the sentry back and forth keeps up everyones participation without having to stomp each other. The people here do pretty much zero damage to how you want to play the game by zerging, and most of the time they move to the less active map because of less chances to be steam rolled by a zerg, so they don't hold up queues either.
Believe it or not, many people who duel don't like zerglings, and letting them fight on their own (and lose), might show them they need to get better. My fav is when I am in a duel and two or 3 people attack me and the person I was fighting backs off and I stomp all of them solo, it's also fun to watch it happen to pugs on my own server, they are so bad it's painful to watch sometimes.
"When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease." -Exedore
I'll attempt to provide some background to give OP an idea as to why people "duel" in WvW, as i see this kind of post pretty much every other month...
OP is correct in saying that PvP offers lobby/custom arenas which are great for dueling. This is however very limited due to the nature of the PvP build system. It is lacking tons of stat/rune/sigil options that allow for more creativity when creating builds. So you will find many players move to WvW where they can play with more freedom.
Starting a duel is often also pretty spontaneous, while roaming you come across a player you like fighting because; They're a good player/They play a class you want to practice against/You simply enjoy 1v1/etc. then you often fight in a remote location or the "Unofficial Dueling Spot" at the southmost sentry in alpine BL. Usually after a couple rounds people move on and go back to roaming, duels often happen when there isn't really any small scale action on the map. Most of the people at that spot with the exception of some trolls or people new to WvW will leave you completely alone in that area (If there are duels going on), so you can move to camp or wherever you're going. If you attack the people dueling, they will stop fighting and they or bystanders will kill you. It's like a single player poking a zerg and then being surprised when they steamroll over them.
There used to be a reasonably big community who stayed almost exclusively in OS to duel, but that scene died out afaik. Mabey some people still go there after partying up with a player from the enemy server when there is no queue on Alpine and they can get back afterwards. To me it also seems (solo)roaming is becoming less popular anyway. It takes me much longer to find decent fights than a few years ago.
So like many of the other comments here...
If you want to get upset and feel "betrayed" by people doing their own thing in WvW that's your choice, same as other people have their choice to play however they want. The gamemode has no rules. There are zergers, roamers, duelers, people who scout and guard objectives. To each their own, and that's what makes WvW great. Red=Dead is a thing, some people don't care and will attack anyway. It happens, the duelers will be back afterwards and things continue as if nothing happened. Personally i try to avoid attacking people in the aforementioned "dueling area" when duels are going on, but it's up to each individual to decide how they play. If you want to (attempt to) kill everyone in sight that's okay too.
Once again, to each their own. Try to lighten up, it's only a game.
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Wait for them to down. Then don’t let them rez.
What do you mean, for the next solo player I meet on random I'm gonna yell "THIS IS NOT THE TIME OR THE PLACE!!!" and assume that his chivalric code prevent him from laying a hand on me.
gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
A disorderly group of Asura.
"The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"
Just roll over them repeatedly. If they want to duel there are two great spots. The windmill in the alpine borderlands and obsidian sanctum.
WSR is the only server where people call in /t for help when dueling.
No.
Body is 8 characters too short.
No. Learn www etiquette. Dueling became a thing for a reason.
Sounds like the definition of insanity. Maybe you should get coordinated with what the rest of the people on your team are doing if you want to be a true team player.
If the OP can't jump into a 1vs1 where someone already has CDs going and STILL can't win the fight, they sure as hell don't want to do this. Trolling someone for playing what they enjoy is only going to make the OP a target, doing something like that will just have that player hunt you down and spam kill you. If you depend on out numbering someone to win, its never a good idea to troll them. People who duel also know this game very well, as people do it to us all the time, after the first hit in downed state the person is just going to stop ressing and WP back, all you did was waste 30 seconds of each others time.
But hey, go for it, most duelers are bored anyway, giving us a target to spam kill is always fun, the salty PMs keep us going.
"When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease." -Exedore
If you like salty PMs then you should try ganking people in a duel, then /laugh over them as you've killed them for the third time, literally the saltiest PMs I've ever got.
So you guys are adamant about wanting to have private duels in wvw zones.
Then the only way to “fix” this, as I see it, would be to dedicate the obsidian sanctum as a duel zone.
To defeat the dragons, see the good in them.
Zhaitan reunites lost ones, primordus creates fertile land, mordremoth spreads the green, and jormag..
..jormag? Who's that?
People can play WvW however they choose to. If you feel the obligation to kill duelers there is nothing stopping you, but don't be upset if your teammates don't help you out. To them, you are being rude and disrespectful. You just have to accept that people have different definitions of fun and different ways of playing the game.
It's not a matter of being adamant or not. You stumbled onto something you can't handle. That's a 'you' problem. Not an Anet or WvW problem.
People can already go to OS, and the EOTM arena for this. They choose to stay in WvW. They take a risk, in that if someone who can actually fight comes upon them, they might get stomped,
But also, if someone who can't fight (ie you) tries to jump in, you are gonna die. Choose wisely.
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You sound so triggered. Maybe ask Anet to finally introduce the duel option in any place of the game so WvW won't have those anymore. I see your picture and you are a warrior, are the one i left to die when "you" interrupted my duel last night? lol
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They can, they choose not to. Instead, they choose to be very toxic when i (try to) help them kill enemies.
To defeat the dragons, see the good in them.
Zhaitan reunites lost ones, primordus creates fertile land, mordremoth spreads the green, and jormag..
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As a solo roamer / avid dueler (PPK ftw), I wiil state that there is a level of respect that both sides of this fence should portray.
Due to flexibility of builds, WvW is the ultimate spot to test builds. Like someone said, sometimes dueling is a spontaneous occurrence. If anyone is gonna get butt hurt and use terms like "treason" then maybe they need a break. Duels are as much a part of WvW as zerging. There's etiquette for this and someone standing by and not helping you is part of it. If you want them to respect you and what you do in WvW, you must respect them likewise. This is all esp if they are away from high traffic areas (ie windmill behind S camp in ABL)
That being said however, if you duel in the open (higher traffic areas), expect that there a chance you will get rekt as it is a "red its dead" area. You have little right to grief or flame or QQ. If you want non duelers to respect you and what you do, you need to respect them likewise.
Its a game people, not RL. If you can follow what I said, then anyone should be able to chill and just have fun
Red = Dead...or someone runs away. Either way it's gone.
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It took me a while in WvW to be cool enough to ignore enemy players or duels when they are no threat, but these people really suck. You just run and ignore their duel because if you engage you get flamed, and then you get shot in the back. Everybody knows the spot for duels, but there's also a Guard nearby and maybe people just want to claim that land. I don't bother attacking people who just want to get their daily vet kill either.
In my opinion, these duelists are GW2's auto scooter dudes. They just hang around the duelling area and seek trouble ^^
Oh boi, someone is going to tell me what to do in open world, where youre not assigned to any party/raid group (PvE-wise) or team (PvP-wise).
Sorry, but if someone wants to, then he can just simply use Quaggan Tonic and walk from bottom of the map to the top.
There are some rules in this world that arent written anywhere, but ppl know and respect them. Sometimes more of them, sometimes less, but they do.
Ppl that play WvW knows whats the deal with duelers and if they want to, they can interrupt (which can end with some insults, but that just happens) or not.
Sorry, world is not ideal.
Dont mind me, I just randomly spam 35 skill-buttons
25.02.2020 edit - Nevermind, now I spam only 29 skill-buttons
Treason lol
They do? You have done this more than once and expect a differing result?
In the cases where I am not sure and I jump in, it's usually pretty clear when my server mate steps back. I then retreat as well realizing it's a duel.
Normally, the other leaves members at that point. Maybe try that next time?
Again, they take a risk as well, often they get steamrolled by the Zerg. Life goes on.
Respawn and move on.
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I bought the game I do what I want
Give people an option to enter duels in pve it's a simple implementation, as for WvW...it's a dead/dying game mode.
Roaming has all been killed off and all that's left is a mind numbingly boring blob fest, if that's the only place that people can go to 1v1/duel then they have every right to.
Please stop chasing down one person with a zerg?
See ELE forms and you will get my views.
There is something called Obsidian Sanctum where they can go an duel to their heart's content.
If you get beaten OP and your server guy doesn't help, here's a sly thing i can suggest you can do to kitten them off.
Make a thief and hide close to where they battle, but where your server player can not see you.
If your server guy gets the other guy down, shadowstep in and stomp the enemy.
Do this a few times and they'll leave. Your player will rant in chat but who cares.
Edit: Its even more funny when the 2 dueling are from different servers and are like "kitten stomp me"
No one in here is adamant about Private duels, almost every person has said that killing the person is just fine, however, if you lose to them, don't come crying about it. You are the one coming here wanting people to act and play only as you see fit, you have admitted a few times already that YOU are starting the attack and getting involved, they are not the ones bothering you.
I find this so funny, people are so mad they roll a class to hide and stomp someone they can't kill on their own. Yet yall are the ones that have issues with people dueling away from other people and not bothering them.
"When you power creep the game and make it so that spam gameplay is nearly as effective as deep knowledge and nuance, the quality of players will decrease." -Exedore
Everyone has the right to play WvW as they please. A servermate has the right to let you die if you interrupt their duel just as you have the right to interrupt it. Just don't get mad when you die since you were expecting them to help you 2v1 the enemy. In my eyes, that's well-deserved, people forcefully outnumbering is one of the biggest problems with the gamemode.
good lord i am absolute trash at this video game
Although you are entitled to your cheap kill, remember that WvW has been created over many years. The community essentially dictates ethics of the game, and thus have a right to call you out for breaking ethical code.
a zergling with a zergling build stands as much as 0 chance against a dedicated dueller with min/max optimized for duelling/solo roaming build.
Saying that they are just bad is.. disingenuous at best.
Do what you want but becareful of the effect.
ex.
i see ppl fighting, i kill the other. didnt know was duel. now that guy pms kills me or tries.
me being me, i dont respond, and just goes on with life. killing the enemy.
but others may not have the stomach for it. ppl do dish out salty pms. so, if they do, just block. if they hunt you down, you can go hide in groups or be better and keep killing him (my suggested method l2play better)
but if you find it too much, maybe, wvw is not for you.
kill all enemies. that is the one law. it is a pk zone.
in the end.
do what favors you. or dont do it at all. besides, all of these things will eventually pass.
Not Even Coverage is the Only broken thing in WVW.
I honestly believe that if this game were a little more serious, WvW dueling should be bannable offence just like Match manipulation on sPvP...but I dont even bother trying to fight people dueling anymore, cause I know my "allies" will just watch as the enemy players 1v5 me...from my experiece 60% or more of the "duelers" will kill solo players(roamers) as they pass by, 100% will happen if you try to take the sentry that they are near...this kind of behavior dont bother me anymore, but if I see in map chat that they are doing this to more players I just tag up and spawn camp them till they rage quit to other map.
^^ This. Let them duel, you do not hear them complain when you kill their opponent do you?
I shouldn't even reply to this kind of comment, but it's too ridiculous to pass up on... I really lose hope for the future of WvW when i see that people actually think like this. (If it's not a troll, which it almost has to be right?)
Banning people duelling, yeah i'm SURE Anet will consider this... If only those mean duellers would join you and wipe everybody 5v1, 5v2, etc. so you could feel good about yourself!
So it does bother you. Just imagine feeling the need to spawn camp people doing their own thing because they wouldn't die to you while outnumbered.
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If it was a little more serious, theoretically, how exactly would you tell the difference between a duel and two players engaging 1v1?
Like, theoretically, if I was in the zerg and saw a sentry thinking "I'll just take a quick detour" and meet an enemy there that also was outside his zerg, we fight and then my zerg run past but the commander ignores me and all his zerglings of course follow... can I report the entire zerg and have them banned for not helping me? Cause what they did would be classed as match manipulation, intentionally aiding a duel instead of engaging in 50v1 as the rules would stipulate they have to. Or are they suppose to report me for leaving the proximity of the zerg?
Wait, wait... As a commander, can I report and ban anyone not following me? Because you never know if he's running off to a be a dueller. This will avoid and preempt the diffuse situation above. Simply create an automated system that give you 1 minute to get within 600 range of a commander, otherwise you get banned. The timer starts ticking every time you leave the radius. Commanding pug zergs solved!!
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A disorderly group of Asura.
"The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"
Duelers aint helping at all your server to win the match, this is why i said, if the game mode were serious, it should be treated as match manipulation...and no, it dosent bother me to get ganked 1v5 to duelers when I am trying to just take the sentry or just passing by, but it does bother me read 15 times on map chat people complaining about getting ganked over and over by said "duelers".
...i mean, you see 5 people of each server circle jerking each other while 2 keep fighting...is really easy to tell who are the duelers and who is just roaming...you guys are overthinking this, is kind of ridiculous lol i know some of you like your dueling and stuff, just saying, there are better places to do that.
they do keep certain opposing players busy so they do help. maybe it is not efficient if the opposing players cannot contribute more than themselves but if playing inefficient is matchmanipulation, then you could ban everyone.
How can you just think about banning ppl in a sandbox game mode for doing sandbox stuff lul.
It's easy for you to see it from your point of view. When you are asking to make it a bannable offense, you're either getting an automated system or someone else to verify the report. And how is someone else suppose to know what you think is a duel is actually a duel?
With this as a bannable offense, one can literally report anyone doing 1v1 because maybe I consider that dueling. Because I have my own definition of what a duel is.
Someone jumping off a tower to kill a random guy on a cata? Report both for dueling.
Someone taking a sentry and getting stealth attacked by a random thief? Report both for dueling.
Someone rushing to defend a camp someone is taking? Report both for dueling.
Someone walking out a keep door and accidentally walk into an enemy? Report both for dueling.
That's how it would work.
You cant have open world PvP and then put arbitrary limitations on that PvP at the same time and expect people to love it. We've been through this before.
"Dont violate my gameplay mode" - Anet rep in regards to GvG
gaggle - /ˈɡaɡ(ə)l/ - noun
A disorderly group of Asura.
"The gaggle of Asura tried to agree on whether a phase-shifted thermonuclear energy matrix was sufficiently powerful for a device capable of heating bread"
taking one of the limited slots from the WvW queue to play Arena in WvW could be considered match manipulation the same as staying in respawn in a spvp match. You not only are wasting an spot but also forbidding other player probably more helpful than you to play with his friends.
Killing other players should not provide participation and if you don't earn participation should be kicked from game for inactivity. enemy players should join the same guild to play Arena and stop wasting the limited spots from wvw.
Aliances should fix a bit this, i hope.
standing in spawn you dont bind other players. a dueller is more efficient than a scout in a tower that is not getting attacked all day.
earlier today 2 people tried to build a cata on a tower, i killed them both before they shot once. now they wasted supplies and i got points for killing them. their contribuiton is only binding me for a brief moment, if i was in a duell an opponent could have done the same without granting my world some score
as for more helpful..
many people play very inefficient builds or just bad should they also just get reported for matchmanipulation?
if the map is not full do you still need to play efficient?
and thats why I said, "if WvW was a serious mode..." which is not...and your examples are pretty bad, you clearly playing ignorant here...point is, duelers should pick better places to do their thing, south sentry on alpine borderland is not a good place.
So duelers ARE helping out with the match by preventing reinforcements from returning to the main force! SMH
yep, while the "duelers" from our side just watch and do /dance and /laugh