Kasmeer and Marjory
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So I've been thinking for a while now about the fact that our Hero has no love interest. That aside. I was thinking that towards the end of this most recent Living World (Season 4) We may lose another companion. Because the loss of Eir was rather sad as she was probably one of the coolest out of Destiny's Edge.
I was thinking that towards the end of the current LW we should lose Marjory in an Epic battle. Only to has Kasmeer go through some crazy Mesmer rampage ( Super Cry of frustration). But this loss has a twist.... Marjory comes back as a Necrotic Ghost... With powerful new shroud abilities through the new Ghost Shroud. Cashmere doesn't reach her resolve until she finally realizes her love is still with her.. even in death. This way their love story can take a back seat and maybe give our hero a chance for center stage with a love interest.
More importantly, though, I think seeing something like this would be cool because it would give more of a transition into upcoming Elite specs as oppose to them having a clip of backstory (such as time in the dessert has bonded you closer with your pet).
Anyways this is just purely fan-fiction but something really interesting to see....
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Yes and at one point kasmere should get captured by joko and then 9 months latter have his skeleton babies.
Anet buff me :-(
Make me good at game!
Ghost shroud sounds fun. Does that mean necros can finally have evasion?
go nuts with it. evasion, invul. I think it would make for a great elite spec with maybe a sword or hammer.
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You mean like at the end of Season 1 where Kasmeer thought Marjory had been killed by Scarlet leading to the first (and only) kiss depicted in either guild wars games?
They almost had killed Marjory then. They even wrote and voiced the clips for it, and the aftermath "party" where Logan unintentionally-insensitively offered his condolences. During this, Scarlet named Mordremoth, and the group took up the name Destiny's Orphans.
But they felt it was too cliche, IIRC, or something like that.
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if anyone is going to die it should be barrahm.
No thanks, I'd rather not see Guild Wars 2 turn into a cheesy love story.
Ghost shroud sounds cool though.
This.
Not every game needs to have a love interest for the protagonist/hero. As much as I complain about the story in this game, I do give kudos to Anet for this.
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Make Dragon's Watch great again (by booting Rytlock out of it).
Our only love interest is Adventure!!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BuryYourGays
Let's not kill Kasmeer or Marjory please.
I'd be ok with Braham or Taimi going -- Braham is just constantly hounding you for no particular reason, and Taimi's an obnoxious deus ex machina. Marjory is the only one with an actual personality, so I definitely don't want to see her go.
The great god Lagki demands sacrifice!
So, is the main point trying to kill off one of them again, or trying to get our character a love interest? Either one sounds unnecessary.
Not only that, but it'd be very, very hard for ArenaNet to do this with GW2's set up. It's a universal story but with "your own character".
The plot is too railroaded to not create a love interest for the PC that most players would undoubtably dislike because it wouldn't fit "their character."
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The main point is to introduce new elite spec towards the end of LW. No one is going away. Since Marjory will be a ghost. The love interest thing was a maybe. IDC for that either way. I do think giving all elite specs a little bit more of a backstory/lore would be cool.
Ghost shroud could finally give necros a highly mobile build with evades and invuls. That and attacks with high power coefficients in addition to good condition application. Giving way for a true power/condi hybrid that exceeds that of the power reaper, of course. O with Grieving stats being its best in slot
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Why not? Why should they be immune to getting killed because of their sexuality? Preferential treatment is just as bad as discrimination.
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
The tvtropes link provided links to an interesting thesis(theses?). It's lengthy, so I haven't yet read all of it. One argument that seemed compelling to me was in relation to how young gay readers likely encounter someone like themselves for the first time when consuming media. I can definitely say that this was true for me. It was kind of the first time I was allowed to have a role-model that I didn't worry would hate me. Killing such a character in a less than meaningful way could be interpreted as saying "this is what happens to people like you". Now that's not necessarily the case, but meaning can exist without authorial intent. Additionally, that was once a fairly common sentiment. This isn't to say it should never happen, but it should be well thought-out. Based on what comes after the link, I think it's fair to say that the person you quoted likes Marjory as a character. Perhaps, they wanted to caution against quick decisions before stating their opinion, or, perhaps, they are just including it to include a reason outside of their wants. I wouldn't know which or think it matters much.
Either way, we should be cautious when killing off a character. Killing a character just to kill a character is, in my opinion, an oft-used crutch to compensate for poor writing. Death should have some point in fiction(such as highlighting how pointless it is in reality).
I don't care what some social justice nitwit writes a thesis about, to be completely frank with you. I gave up on TV tropes because they have taken a turn towards that kind of ideology. But that is neither here nor there. My point is:
If you want gay people (or rather in this case, gay fictional characters) to be seen as equal, they need to be treated equally in all regards: this means no discrimination nor preferential treatment because of their sexuality. Neither Kas nor Jory should enjoy some kind of protected status because they like to do the horizontal monster mash together.
Personally, I've grown cynical at the unecessary fridging of my waifu Eir (yes, I realize the irony of using such a term after I just lambasted TV tropes - it is very much intentional on my part) so I just want them to kill Braham at this point, and feel entirely indifferent to the fates of the other members of the main cast.
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
I'm not really a big fan of the bury your gays trope.
Goodness me. Bram has room for growth. A lot people are overlooking this. I mean come on.... How can everyone be so heartless. He lost his Mom. I know there isn't much back story between them but like empathy? How would you feel if you lost your Mom doing what she does best? Personally I'd be a wreck. The fact that he can even carry on is very honorable.
If anything killing Jory but having her come back as a Ghost to where Cash and Jory are bond together even in death I think is a positive thing rather then negative. Not sure why people see it as a thoughtless offing of another member of our team.
I mean till death due us part..... o'rly?
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I'm not against what is happening with Braham on principle. Had they handled Eir's death and his subsequent character development well enough, I'd be fine with it.
But it is the worst writing from Anet since they made Tree Jebus steal the spotlight in our own personal story.
Especially in how our characters are so whimpy around him. My Norn knew Eir better than he did via his personal story. He should slap Braham upside the head for dishonouring his mother by acting like an emo teenager - it is unbefitting a Norn and her son. But no, my Norn turns into a submissive, apologetic little girl whenever he is around Braham and it makes my blood boil.
Braham's character development (if you wanna call it that) was a huge mistake that needs to be undone.
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
I'm sure they will give him the development/ growth he needs. On another note, "Tree Jebus" hahahahahaha I'm dying!
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Lol, I'm pretty sure 80% of the storyline is based on some sort of D&D setup, where the characters' fates are decided upon by the roll of the dice. Not that that's a bad thing, mind you.
Kasmeer and Majory are two of my favorite characters. If someone needs to die, kill off brahm please. Personally though, I think that ANET has played the death card about as much as will really work for now. Even death gets "old hat" if overused.
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I don't really want my character to have a love interest, if anything the guild wars story has showed us that getting close to someone is either difficult and stressful, Marjory and Kasmeer arn't exactly blissful love birds, or it's fraught with grief like Braham and Eir. Not to mention Logan and the Queen who have to cope with constant distance and secrecy. Love for heroes in Tyria just doesn't work out.
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Character that shouldn't be killed
Characters that are viable candidates for death.
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No one is exempt from dying off. But what I have noticed is a lot of people are saying Marjory has a lot of charecter which I find completely ironic. To me she is Monotone and has nothing but snarky, matter-of-a-factually comebacks. And she says 'Let's go Kas,' in an annoying endearing tone as if she is talking to a dog.
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I'm at odds with most of what the community says all of the time.
Marjory doesn't seem like she has character. I don't think taimi's a deus ex machina. I don't think braham is that unlikable. I think balthazar's motivations were well explained and I don't think we really had a nightfall 2.0 or even 3.0 with the recent story developments.
I think people are just caught up in a moment of being hypercritical about every little thing.
The Ministry Guard plot is closed. It was tied to Caudecus and the White Mantle, and that was part of Season 3.
That said, you could make the same argument for Eir and Zojja but... well...
Funny that you brought up the Ministry Guard "unresolved" plot for Marjory, but overlook the fact that Rox is apparently spying on us for someone. That smells like unresolved plot if anything else can, yet she's just a filler NPC?
Rox has more unresolved plot than Rytlock, who is only involved so much because he's a "fan" favorite (aka ArenaNet likes having him around because he cockblocks story progression and lore exposition until the time is right - aka "later, cub.")
Magdaer was given to a norn blacksmith (likely Beigarth). If it is Beigarth, than we may see Logan with it next time the Pact comes rolling, since he could now officially order Beigarth to finish that kitten thing (and Beigarth may want to out of responsibility towards not finishing it for Eir).
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I don't think romance is in the cards for my Commander. She was homeless and working for various gangs before stumbling into that centaur raid in Shaemoor. Then she got caught up in a plot to poison Divinity Reach's water supply, saved the city from a circus troupe, saved the Queen, joined the Vigil and spent the next five years constantly globetrotting while saving the world over and over again. That doesn't leave for a lot of personal time.
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what I meant by Marjory's unresolved plot is her interaction with Mendel. From wiki: The case of the ghost boy remains unsolved to this day.
I'm hoping to get a side story where she finishes the investigation and brings people responsible for justice. And gives Mendel peace or something. Thats unresolved and Caudecus is only a background in this case.
That Rox line in season 2 doesn't say she's spying on us, that's just your speculation. Besides, that's literally one instance of dialogue (optional even? i don't remember) so it probably lies in the category of irrelevant. And yeah she's definitely the most filler-NPC of all dragon's watch guild. She never has anything meaningful to say, I think she was the most important when she returned Garm to Hoelbrak, what an achievement :P
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The whole thing was a general "corruption in DR" without any real purpose beyond giving Marjory the cliche'd backstory of "good cop jaded by corruption in the force turned detective".
The one who was behind all that corruption was ultimately Caudecus. Whatever it was Mendel saw would either infringe Caudecus directly, or one of his most trusted cronies that undoubtably died in Episode 4 (anyone lesser wouldn't have merited ensuring his death as it takes a lot of strong evidence to convict a minister in DR, and as we saw with Zamon, Caudecus was fully willing to dispose of pawns that had wasted their usefulness).
Either way, I would hardly call that an unresolved plot.
And even if you did, just like that magical locket or Malyck, the time to bring it up has come and gone.
You need to learn how to read between the lines if you cannot see the suspicion in Rox "needing to report in".
And how is that any more irrelevant than something that doesn't even show up in the game?
As for filler - I would disagree, though ArenaNet hasn't done her justice. Her accomplishments actually outweigh Marjory's pretty nicely. What did Marjory do since introduction? Unveil Mai Trin, created the antitoxin used against the Tower of Nightmares (nearly going mad in the process) which unwittingly gave Scarlet exactly what she wanted to cause massive amounts of deaths in LA, get injured by Scarlet, watched her sister die, held a book while we got the divine fire, give up taking on Mordremoth directly for revenge (unlike Braham), and get injured by Balthazar. Very impressive indeed.
What did Rox do since introduction? Help wipe out multiple Molten Alliance facilities, give us backstory on Rytlock's warband, confronted Scarlet in her first unveiling, helped killed Tequatl, helped take on the Tower of Nightmares, saved Marjory's life when the latter was injured by Scarlet (and Braham's leg), babysat Braham so we didn't have to, used Divine Fire against the Shadow of the Dragon so we could actually kill the thing, tracked down Destiny's Edge's caravan while we detoured to Rata Novus, rescued Garm, and babysat Braham again when he was even more annoying so we didn't have to.
Honestly? Rox might have fewer lines. But what she's done is more impressive than miss detective. Rox also has a much more detailed backstory - and one that isn't terribly cliche'd either.
She might have bad eye design, but that's really the only thing going against her. Not being a focus of a plot (yet) is not a bad thing.
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I'll be in Guild Wars 1 until Arena Net stops monetizing build templates.
While I agree these plot threads have been dangling for a long time, I disagree that the time to bring them up has come and gone. I mean, although the White Mantle were in the game since day 1, it took until Season 3 for them to be relevant for anyone who wasn't a human character who had lost their parents. I don't see us going back into the Maguuma any time soon, and even if we did, finding another Pale Tree is going to be extremely unlikely, so Malyck is probably going to end up a footnote. The locket, however, could come back should Jennah be severely injured somehow and needs a temporary regent (assuming the Ministry doesn't get restored or Anise doesn't just take over). I'd hate to lose Jennah, and I feel there might still be more for her "love story" with Logan, but the locket could just be one of the many seeds being planted that can be called up any time they want.
As for the other characters, I like nearly all of the characters, even Braham. I admit, Eir's son is not carrying out her legacy very well, but we saw very little of him since killing Mordremoth and has time to come around still. Rox is cool, but she needs her own storyline, not just play an extra in Braham's life; maybe we'll learn about how she knows Rytlock so well. Marjory has a very entertaining femme-fatale vibe to her, but I wish she could use her detective side more, something I don't recall her doing since Season 1. Everyone wants to kill of Kasmeer, but she's our only connection to this Mesmer Collective and I'm curious to know anything about that, although that can certainly wait. Taimi is a necessary evil; we need someone who can stay behind and do the lab work, and be the expositional dump. She almost full-grown now, so maybe people won't be so offended that this little girl is ordering them anymore. Finally, Rytlock and Canach are usually comic relief, with the former still able to reveal secrets and has that added link back to Destiny's Edge. Honestly, I don't think any of the characters we have are quite ready to be killed off, and they all have a role, whether you like them or hate them.
Killing off an asian lesbian woman in a committed relationship is a bad look, just going to put it out there. A love interest plot would likely come off as forced, unless they introduced a ton of different options that take your backstory questions, race, profession (elite specialization?) into account.
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-Lord Odran
**My ** commander don't have time for dilly-dallying romances...., there is just too much world around that needs saving. Maybe when all the 6 dragons have been dealt with, the right rulers sit on the right thrones, doing the right things, and all 'higher-than-champion' class villains have been finally put down, he might consider retiring as professor emeritus with some asura research lab with a likeminded partner...
If they want to introduce romance and the above is not one of the 3 choices I would really be disappointed in Anet, just saying...
How about we romance Kasmeer AND Ghost Marjory, and also we can resurrect Eir and date her ghost too. And they can all wear versions of the Slave Leia bikini.
NO more ''Bury Your Gays'' tropes please.
There are better ways to develop a couple. Besides, Karmeer already got some development on PoF, now is Marjory turn. She should have something related to her skills and maybe make her more friendly or something, we already have enough time in which everyone acts sarcastically.
About romances, they should implement that with extra dialogues. I remember that in the original personal story you could say adorable things to the characters at the end of the chapters. Remember what you could say to Tybalt? Do more of that. More interaction with the characters besides just the story in the instance, and make sure it's good dialog.
I really don't like the reference to "bury our gay troupes." It just shows that your not fully reading the post. I'm not essentially proposing we kill either one of them off. I'm proposing Majory becomes like a being living within the mist/real world hence ghost shroud. Also, its not like they are our only gay characters cause last time I checked Caithe has a pretty ambiguous sexuality if not very clearly gay sexuality and she is actually a core character. Eir Died and she was straight i guess. Don't bury our straight troupes? Jk. But really no one should be treated like an extra special snowflake just because of what they represent.
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On another note, I just thought that the elite for ghost shroud should be a 3 second invis.... on necro that would be so sweet.
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I would like to see joko vs an actual mesmer.
I imagine him posting on GW2 forum asking for mesmer nerfs.
However, in a Hypotetical scenario which sees one of the two girl dead ( Kasmeer or Marjory )...
... how would you think the other could respond to the death of his lover?
The only love interest I saw for my character was Eir.
I don't want him to have a different one forced upon him via story.
Please Anet give us a hide Chest Armour-option. Tattoo-clad Norns everywhere beg of you.
I just started the Heart of Thorns story chain. I have been having second thoughts about this post for a very long time. I don't want to see the pact lose another valuable member. What I saw in the episode titled "The Ghost of Fort Salma," kind leaves room for the whole ghost shroud thing without having to lose anyone. Marjory lost her sister and she then fused with her sword. It would be cool to see something come out of this.
Thanks for read again for your comments and feedback. It helped me realize that something as awesome as Marjory and Kasmeer is too valuable to lose.
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IMHO it would be great if they just would keep Kas and Jory as they are, I feel like the story (and IRL world tbh) could use with a LGBTQ couple that's just...stable. We already got crazy homosexuals in GW2 (The Green Knight in the sylvari orig, and ofc Faolain...Pretty sure Rhiannoc had something going on with that squire. All sylvari are kitten a f) so don't really need to add to it with a lesbian who's spooked by her lost love.
I will say though that I second having a love interest for the player because if I could I would canach ;P
I have no problem with romance in games. Honestly, I don't really understand why some people do since they are usually completely optional. Why be against something that doesn't effect you in any way but may enhance the experience for other players?
On topic of killing off characters. I mean, one of our companion is literally dying from terminal illness. Which I think was presented in phenomenal way. The lack of control and agency makes the situation for me personally even more dreadful. Not everyone needs to die in dramatic combat fighting the ancient enemy. If they actually go through with Taimi's illness I would personally consider it masterpiece from the perspective of video game storytelling.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that i don't see any need to kill of anyone at this particular point.
It is weird to me that the only love story in this game is gushy lesbian lovers... why would anet do that? As you mentioned, that is very forced writing. Just being too pc? It is very fascinating to me.when I try to figure out what the point of this Iesbian storyline is.
Still waiting for my favorite odd couple, Rytlock and Canach, to confess their true feelings to eachother... and kitten we have gone a long way if people are now too worried to kill off a homosexual characters simply because of their sexual orientation.
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That's...really not what I meant.
I meant that any Commander/NPC plots are likely going to come off as forced.
I'm not one to say that lesbian romance plots are forced, because they're lesbian.
I think that Kasjory is a pretty nice romance, but I think that it benefits from having played Season 1. We also haven't had Kasmeer in a major role for a year, or Marjory in a major role since Out of the Shadows, which was brief. Before that? Season 2.
"Beware the Danger of Secrets Kept."
-Lord Odran
The love interest better be optional. If I want one of my characters to fall in love, I'll do it in RP.
It will be epic turn-turn-turn if those two already been lost to Branded, and now they are serve Kralk as main lieutenants. And we will have to fight them in some cool scenario.
We have not heard from them for awhile now. Last thing they said - warning about Kralkatorrik.
Just a simple scenarion out of my head:
While Commander been busy with Joko, Kasmeer and Marjory fall to Branded and then later some time, they lead Branded invasion somewhere in Kryta. Commander and party switch priorities to stop those two, possibly kill them if necessary. But instead of killing them, Aurene interfered, and Re-brand them into one of her own minions. But since Aurene free from any dragon corruptions, Kasmeer and Marjory got back their free will, still connected to Aurene thoughts.
As we know, Aurene fears for future. Allies she have now are not enough to prevent it. Having her own lieutenants, even if it will be Re-Branded Kasmeer and Marjory, and later Branded-like army, could be a good first step. Also it could be a plot twist towards Taimi's chances to prevent her own death.
P.s. Sylvari are Corruption-Free-Modrem. Why stop there
I'd rather have the two of them written out, Marjory is boring and two dimensional and Kasmeer is annoying and two dimensional.
Please, no more funeral / memorial missions. Least. Fun. Quest. Ever.
I'm all for having characters die off, the more likable the better imo since it gives me something to feel when it happens.
Gotta admit I didn't care much for Eir dying off.. matter of fact I actually predicted it as a possibility which I was surprised to see come to reality.
Sure It was like aww Eir..
but I had no real emotional attachment to her so it didn't take long for that to wear off.
The Dragons Watch group has far more attachement to me since these are characters i've gotten very fond of over time.. some more than others for example Taimi and Canach I absolutely adore where as Marjory and Kasmeer I like but they really haven't been around as much for me to really care about them in the same way.
When a death happens it's gotta be big for people to really care and the only way that happens is if you really invest in that character first and Eir just didn't have that kind of investment imo
Only thing I don't agree with in the OP on though is the idea of our character having a romantic interest.. that would be a huge mess of issues that would never pay off XD
it's diving far too much into the individual preferences and differences of every individual player.. there's no way they could do something like that without annoying a lot of people or investing a ridiculous amount of time and work into a multitude of different love interest options whom would never be able to live upto the role the way everyone wanted their ideal gw2 partner to be..
Not even worth going down that road lol