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For the love of the six, stop with the flashing effects

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  • Klowdy.3126Klowdy.3126 Member ✭✭✭

    It becomes very difficult to follow an enemy when everything is flashing like that, no matter what position the camera is in. It gets difficult to do meta events when you can't follow enemies on screen.

  • Carighan.6758Carighan.6758 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arzurag.7506 said:
    In diablo it´s kind of a mess, even more than it is in gw2.
    In high rifts you better have sunglasses on, otherwise you´ll not be able to see what´s really going on , on the screen.
    For example, spinning lasers that can kill you in a few seconds, some enemies leave a explosive bomb upon death that looks like a small vulcano and much more.

    Important to note though is that Diablo is a 1-few single- or multiplayer game.

    Not a 50++ MMORPG. In something like GW2, I expect the developers to have put significant thought into how screen effects work in large groups of players. Becaue well, massively multiplayer.

  • Lincolnbeard.1735Lincolnbeard.1735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ubi.4136 said:
    We have been asking for the ability to "turn off other players effects" for 5 years. They don't care that the game is a seizure-inducing light show. That feature has been in every game I have played since 2001, except GW.

    When I started playing GW back in the day, during the first weeks I was so let down by the skill effects until I realize the fact that they were that way made it a more functional game.
    Nowadays I still like some cool flash over the top effects madness, I mean I really dig cabal online skill effects, but every game should be - praticality > effects and not the way around.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Basically, the game needs a running special effects "budget", and once you get too many flashy effects in a scene, it should start cutting some back to simple, legible effects, starting with those of unaffiliated greens and trash mobs, then the environment, party members, bosses, and as a last resort, your own. Players should be able to increase or decrease that budget in the options screen (from nothing to unlimited) for taste or performance.

    The question of accessibility (which is OP's concern) is a little different, since any number of certain effects are bad, and other effects are no issue at all no matter how many there are. That's probably best handled with a separate checkbox that always tones down certain problematic effects, or implements reverse HDR or something, where the implementation is based on medical rather than gameplay considerations.

  • Zalani.9827Zalani.9827 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 21, 2018

    When it comes to flashy mobs the Awakened Heirophants sand spiny move is an bit to much for me at times.

    Being spun around at high speed is one thing but the flashing red is blinding.

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  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    As I always say, instead of investing in new expansion, they could polish the engine and these visual problems, no matter how good an expansion is, these graphic problems kill any immersion. ... for example, Serpents Ire Meta seems great, except the 99% of fight u cant see the 2 giants mobs, shrouded in flash light effects.

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  • Jokel.5164Jokel.5164 Member ✭✭

    It feels like still nobody has done anything about it.
    My Laptop is just getting old and while in the beginning it was great to play, nowadays I'm just down to 10fps in newer maps which is just annoying.

  • Hesacon.8735Hesacon.8735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The technology exists to turn off other player's skins. In wvw you can set all other players to a generic class model.

  • Jokel.5164Jokel.5164 Member ✭✭

    I don't know how that helps the people who made the OP.
    But as far as I'm concerned I've tried everything. Otherwise I wouldn't have made the comment here.

  • Klipso.8653Klipso.8653 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There's only 5 now

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  • Sako.7609Sako.7609 Member ✭✭

    Check the box Effect LOD at graphics options, it helps tremendous.

  • Jokel.5164Jokel.5164 Member ✭✭
    edited October 6, 2018

    So....
    Bottom line... Devs don't care about this problem?!

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 6, 2018

    @Jokel.5164 said:
    So....
    Bottom line... Devs don't care about this problem?!

    What's there to care about? People unaware that they can reduce the flashing effects?

    Or the fact they already did reduce visual noise? They still have a few steps to go in that regard, but it's way better than before now.

    Smugly chuckling forever.
    My sentence doesn't make sense? Well, I probably forgot to write half of it before posting.

  • Mea.5491Mea.5491 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I play the game with a screen dimmer program because the flashing lights just hurt my eyes and I don't even have migraine/epilepsy.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylent.3165 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Jokel.5164 said:
    So....
    Bottom line... Devs don't care about this problem?!

    What's there to care about? People unaware that they can reduce the flashing effects?

    Or the fact they already did reduce visual noise? They still have a few steps to go in that regard, but it's way better than before now.

    You can't reduce it, checking that box or not in a zerg fight it's still one massive flash of a blur

    You cant overly reduce it but you can reduce it slightly(or alot depending on your definition). I dont see a ton of the effects in the game because of my visual settings, but the effects i DO see i want to turn off or reduce, Auras from infusions for some reason are immune to the settings i have set up and they are blinding to my eyes as an example. Saddly this means reducing my graphics settings to about half of what i normally run just to avoid seeing images like the screenshot provided earlier in the thread, and they have done some things recently to assist in the reduction of visual noise.

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  • Batel.9206Batel.9206 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sylent.3165 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Jokel.5164 said:
    So....
    Bottom line... Devs don't care about this problem?!

    What's there to care about? People unaware that they can reduce the flashing effects?

    Or the fact they already did reduce visual noise? They still have a few steps to go in that regard, but it's way better than before now.

    You can't reduce it, checking that box or not in a zerg fight it's still one massive flash of a blur

    During meta events, I have to play on the lowest settings possible because my computer is slower than a snail glued to a glacier. Even with every single setting turned all the way down - every bit of flashing effects turned down or off that I can - I still cannot see anything thanks to the giant blur of light on the screen.

    ...I'd love to know how to reduce visual noise even farther than that.

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  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Sylent.3165 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Jokel.5164 said:
    So....
    Bottom line... Devs don't care about this problem?!

    What's there to care about? People unaware that they can reduce the flashing effects?

    Or the fact they already did reduce visual noise? They still have a few steps to go in that regard, but it's way better than before now.

    You can't reduce it, checking that box or not in a zerg fight it's still one massive flash of a blur

    @Sylent.3165 said:

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Jokel.5164 said:
    So....
    Bottom line... Devs don't care about this problem?!

    What's there to care about? People unaware that they can reduce the flashing effects?

    Or the fact they already did reduce visual noise? They still have a few steps to go in that regard, but it's way better than before now.

    You can't reduce it, checking that box or not in a zerg fight it's still one massive flash of a blur

    Increase your FoV. I don't have a problem with seeing things outside of cramped areas where the camera can't zoom out anyway

    Smugly chuckling forever.
    My sentence doesn't make sense? Well, I probably forgot to write half of it before posting.

  • BlueJin.4127BlueJin.4127 Member ✭✭✭

    The amount of flashes in this game is ridiculous and none of the current graphic settings do much. It’s even worse for an engineer. I started leveling my engineer recently and since then, I’ve been using eye drops several times a day. I just got Holosmith and it’s even worse. Every attack is a flash spamfest. This is a legitimate health concern. What will it take for Anet to take this seriously and take swift and meaningful action? A lawsuit? :anguished:

    ^^

  • Rod.6581Rod.6581 Member ✭✭
    edited November 7, 2018

    +1
    Something we asked for years now and they still didn't do it right. Bit better than it used to be, but still long way to go.

    Remember Battle of Lions Arch?

    Also, few friends refused to play GW2 when they saw how flashy it is on YT videos...

  • cylin.7048cylin.7048 Member ✭✭
    edited November 7, 2018

    I agree that somethin MUST be done about this. It's really just to much. I myself for example need to avoid Bloodstone Fen and have developed the habit of quickly closing my eyes on mount/dismount just to reduce the stress on my eyes. For KITTENS sake, guys!

  • particlepinata.9865particlepinata.9865 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2018

    Thats why i never park in Divinitys Reach. The mount skins dyed with the most brightest colors, Same with certain armors and backpacks burn in my eyes like a new big bang has started. In gw 1 times i couldn't stand people spamming Ray of judgement (the monk skill), looking back it was childsplay compared to this and the Op mentioned skill effects ofcourse. Would be nice if we could turn of the light/sparkling effects of both from other players.

  • Batel.9206Batel.9206 Member ✭✭✭

    @sorudo.9054 said:
    why can't Anet just make an option to disable other player's effects?

    Or introduce watered-down graphics options so we can still see our own effects and other players' effects - kind of necessary in PVP and such - but they don't light up the area around them or provide bursts of light and color whenever they hit other players/NPCs.

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  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Batel.9206 said:

    @sorudo.9054 said:
    why can't Anet just make an option to disable other player's effects?

    Or introduce watered-down graphics options so we can still see our own effects and other players' effects - kind of necessary in PVP and such - but they don't light up the area around them or provide bursts of light and color whenever they hit other players/NPCs.

    they can water it down to a crisp and still would be worse then just disable effects from other players, the server still needs to send the effects back and forth to clients, making the FPS lower.
    GW2 runs on an ancient old engine that depends on single core CPU's, lowering the effects isn't gonna help when the engine is horrible at processing effects.

  • @sorudo.9054 said:

    @Batel.9206 said:

    @sorudo.9054 said:
    why can't Anet just make an option to disable other player's effects?

    Or introduce watered-down graphics options so we can still see our own effects and other players' effects - kind of necessary in PVP and such - but they don't light up the area around them or provide bursts of light and color whenever they hit other players/NPCs.

    they can water it down to a crisp and still would be worse then just disable effects from other players, the server still needs to send the effects back and forth to clients, making the FPS lower.
    GW2 runs on an ancient old engine that depends on single core CPU's, lowering the effects isn't gonna help when the engine is horrible at processing effects.

    The Problem is though:
    One does not simply change a games engine! ☝🏻

  • Not only would it help with the horrendous visual clutter but it would help with performance bigtime!!

    This option should have been included years ago.

  • This is my biggest gripe and why I no longer play.

  • Ray Koopa.2354Ray Koopa.2354 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 10, 2018

    The best thing are the volatile magic bubbles in the LWS4 maps. Flashbang your whole screen while hearing a farting noise for incredible 2 volatile magic and a free epilepsy attack. Which QA seriously lets this slip.

  • Shivvies.3921Shivvies.3921 Member ✭✭✭

    This really limits my GW2 playtime :')

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm still "supporting" the attacks effects after 6 years, but I'm almost at my limit. The worst was for me the latest cinematic "ls4e4 Aurene visions" and I urge her to be changed, I'm not subject of Epilepsy, but when watching her I almost had a crisis. Felt weird with my eyes starting to blink. I'm not joking, it's a serious health issue that should be take in account for THAT cinematic but also future ones, we aren't speaking about phobia here, but EPILEPSY a serious issue. We should be able to toggle weapon effects. My eyes are burning we can't even see the looks of the characters what's the point.

    I REALLY expect that some peoples of the teams will take in account that very IMPORTANT SUBJECT which is HEADACHE AND EPILEPSY. Seriously I don't see the aim of aurene visions apart making people sicks, thing that will discourage peoples to watch cinematics, and in worst case leaving/not playing the next epidode.

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  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 11, 2018

    Considering firstly, the lights festival:
    We could have several options, if possible:
    ○ <- (case to tick yes/no)
    ○ View other players skills effects (like necro wells, guardian marks, ranger traps... Any target-skill aoe.)
    ○ View other players legendaries effects (like red bullets from predator, unicorns, flowers from kudzu...)
    ○ View my skills effects.
    ○ View my legendaries effects.
    ○ View other players projectiles (arrows, bullets from ranger/warrior rifle or fireball from staff elementalist)
    ○ View my projectiles

    Now cinematics, easier to deal with:
    => Avoid several flash in a row (repeating 1 sec of white screen)
    => Avoid to pass the same scene several time in a row (for aurene, you could have made slow flash -> first possible future -> black fading transition -> 2nd future -> fading -> 3rd... players would see it's the same scene with different endings)
    => If adding special effect like crystals/ game of mirrors the result is even more dramatic (sense of dangerous here)
    => Speed could be a factor too: flash -> fast moving camera through the desert -> flash -> explosion 3 second -> flash -> someone dying for 2 seconds -> flash

    = The joko cinematic of E3 was perfect, a good example of what to do. No flashing lights and weird effects like you was in a disco party.
    Note that here, flashes are only at the beginning and ending, only two slow white flashes. But I suspect the colour white to be a cause too, that's why I suggested black fading.

    That's all for my analysis :)

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  • VaaCrow.3076VaaCrow.3076 Member ✭✭✭

    Ya man the flashing effects in this game are ridiculous, one of my major triggers for migraines like the OP. Its silly. I recently got stuck with a semi permanent case of photophobia (discomfort/pain/physical sensetivity to light) It's stopped me playing this game for now b/c of all the dang light effects. an option to dim stuff or turn said effects off would be life saving.

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  • bbop.9706bbop.9706 Member ✭✭✭

    take away the visual effects would be like chopping off the infusion gang's kitten... It wont happen because visual effects in gw2 are endgame material. take them away and those that plough 100's of hours and 1000s of gold/cash into them lose a reason to play and anet lose business.

  • BlueJin.4127BlueJin.4127 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 12, 2018

    We’re not talking about removing visual effects altogether. We’re talking about reducing unhealthy flashes that cause seizures, migraines, and eye pains. Devs want to make the game look good. I get that. I’m a graphics kitten. The way it is done in this game, however, is just so mind numbingly idiotic. I have never played any other game with flashes anywhere near this bad.

    In any case, I’m extremely frustrated that I can’t play my engineer at all and resigned him to a storage character. Holosmith is the only spec I enjoy on my engineer, but Holo is unplayable for me because every attack causes minor flashes and every Holo skill causes major flashes. I’m not even talking about flashes from other players. Flashes from my Holo alone are hurting my eyes. And I’m playing with Gunnar computer glasses, my monitor’s brightness and contrast set to low, and in a brightly lit room while taking eye vitamins every day. This is just ridiculous.

    If Anet gives a kitten about player health, this should have been fixed years ago. This issue literally pisses me off.

    ^^

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 12, 2018

    I find the flashing pretty bad at wing6 raid as well.. we are soon going blind in couple of years later. I just turn graphics to minimum in w6

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  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mauried.5608 said:

    The targeting system in this game is pretty well broken unless you can see and click on the monster.

    You can TAB cycle through the enemies to target what you want. Not a solution to your flashiness problem, but it does allow for non-mouse click targeting.

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    Very.
    Casual.

  • Shivvies.3921Shivvies.3921 Member ✭✭✭

    "It loses Anet money" - well, have you seen Lowest character detail? Everyone is wearing generic weight armour and nothing else. This doesn't stop people from making legendaries though.

    Flashes disabled LOCALLY is not going to lose Anet anything except maybe some dev time. However, this is a health issue. I can't play as long as I'd like to play. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people on the same boat.

    It would make the game much more friendly to those of the atypical optic nerve persuasion.

    Cheers!

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    ANet is going to market and produce a game that will capture the largest margin of their target audience according to the statistics that only they have. Forums typically represent a very small portion of the entire player-base. It seems to me that ANet knows that they will gain more revenue with flashy effects that will attract the most players in their targeted demographic. I won't go so far as to say that they don't care if some players have health issues that may be impacted by this decision (and others -- search the forums for the spider phobia threads); however, at the end of the day they will market/produce a product that will be the most profitable.

    Sorry, but I believe that flashy effects are here to stay.

    These effects are ways for players to show off, and if ANet implements a feature that allows players to disable the effect, then the perceived value of these items is significantly lowered. This lowering of perceived value might discourage players from spending time/money going after items that produce these effects which will impact ANet's bottom line.

    And the bottom line is really what is important here.

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    Very.
    Casual.

  • Shivvies.3921Shivvies.3921 Member ✭✭✭

    I literally do not understand how it is any different than changing everyone's appearance to generic weight armour?

    Which you can do right this moment?

    How is that even an argument?

    "They do not care" is valid. "It undervalues the flashy effects" contradicts what is already in the game.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shivvies.3921 said:
    I literally do not understand how it is any different than changing everyone's appearance to generic weight armour?

    Which you can do right this moment?

    How is that even an argument?

    "They do not care" is valid. "It undervalues the flashy effects" contradicts what is already in the game.

    It's a perfectly valid business argument. Why would so many players spend their time/resources/money/gems on chasing down items with these effects if they can't show them off? Yeah, it's an ego thing (some would call it kitten, if I can use that term here?). If players knew that there was the option for others to not see their effects, then the drive/desire to go after them would decline thus losing money for ANet.

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  • Shivvies.3921Shivvies.3921 Member ✭✭✭

    kharmin, I literally can disable your legendary armour look. My question is not whether it is a valid argument in a vacuum or not.

    My question is why this is even an argument when I can make everything generic and all I see is generic particles from no one in particular.

    Also, the legendary auras and such are NOT the problem for the majority of photosensitive people. White strob / eclectic strob is.

    If your argument had actual hold in Anet's vision, we'd never have the ability to disable people's looks. We can and even NPCs look flashier in that situation.

    Cheers!

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