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The level of toxicity in high end content & unwelcoming guilds

PuppyMischief.7584PuppyMischief.7584 Member ✭✭
edited November 21, 2018 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

I'm getting tired of the elitism and toxicity in high end content, I log on to do my fractals everyday and enjoy my time playing Guild Wars 2. Today I had to leave a 100 CM pug group because of a specific players attitude towards me calling me names, being toxic and just thinking he was better then everyone else. This is not the first time that I've dealt with this and its the people from the same guild in particular that are the offenders. I hope that they realize that this is a game and its suppose to be fun. I feel like its people like this at deter people from wanting to do content like Raids, Fractals, Etc. Do you think ArenaNet should do more about these types of situations and or people? Do you think the report system in game doesn't work as intended? Sure you can block the person but there are many people like this. Any other suggestions that anyone has?

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  • @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    You might consider creating your own LFG; you can control who joins/stays.

    Would that that were so. Unfortunately, you can only do that if you have two like-minded individuals in the group with you.

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- Santayana

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There is always the other side of the coin.

    Did you kitten up a Mechanic or Bad Dps?

    (Most) people are toxic for a reason.

  • hellsqueen.3045hellsqueen.3045 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    There is always the other side of the coin.

    Did you kitten up a Mechanic or Bad Dps?

    (Most) people are toxic for a reason.

    People are toxic at all levels for content in this game.
    People were toxic about your DPS output in dungeons and in the open world.
    There is no excuse for being an A hole to people, no matter what level content, but lower level stuff should have next to none.
    Who cares if someone messes up a mechanic? Yeah, it makes things take longer but maybe talk to that person and ask and see if you can help them and if they don't have a clue, maybe ask them to drop out or something because they need people who know what they are doing and if they don't leave and you fail again then kick them. Then that leaves the person in question with a choice, do they do the right thing for everyone if they still don't have a clue what they are doing and find people who can teach them more slowly or do they keep being a burden and get kicked even after they were politely asked if they would drop out.
    I don't know why there are so many people who play this game who think their success is the only thing that matters, everyone is trying to have fun and learn and succeed and play, just because your success is less guaranteed, it doesn't mean you should be a jerk about it.

    I understand people joining guilds that have a very elitist feel to them, but if you choose to join a guild like that, then obviously you deal with the consequences if you don't match their expectation. But those guilds should not be snobbing people outside of their guild. They didn't sign up to join their elitist crowd, that person came to try and get some content done and instead get snobbed by people who think they are better than everyone. That is just being a garbage human being.

    Founder of Affinitus Nemus [AFNM]
    "Join Us, We're Lonely" - Our Guild At Some Point

    JUST LIKE THE LORAX, WE SPEAK FOR THE TREES!

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @hellsqueen.3045 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    There is always the other side of the coin.

    Did you kitten up a Mechanic or Bad Dps?

    (Most) people are toxic for a reason.

    People are toxic at all levels for content in this game.
    People were toxic about your DPS output in dungeons and in the open world.
    There is no excuse for being an A hole to people, no matter what level content, but lower level stuff should have next to none.
    Who cares if someone messes up a mechanic? Yeah, it makes things take longer but maybe talk to that person and ask and see if you can help them and if they don't have a clue, maybe ask them to drop out or something because they need people who know what they are doing and if they don't leave and you fail again then kick them. Then that leaves the person in question with a choice, do they do the right thing for everyone if they still don't have a clue what they are doing and find people who can teach them more slowly or do they keep being a burden and get kicked even after they were politely asked if they would drop out.
    I don't know why there are so many people who play this game who think their success is the only thing that matters, everyone is trying to have fun and learn and succeed and play, just because your success is less guaranteed, it doesn't mean you should be a jerk about it.

    The problem here is that there are level of toxicity.

    I understand its feels bad when you get called names, but people also shouldn’t ger offended by the tiniest
    bit of hostility.

    And more often then not there is a Reason his Teammates are getting Hostile.

    People are not some evil douchbags.

    You have to trigger them first.

  • @PuppyMischief.7584 said:
    Today I had to leave a 100 CM pug group because of a specific players attitude towards me calling me names, being toxic and just thinking he was better then everyone else.

    Yeah, I wish that guy was here to tell us what really happened. I bet there's a lot more to the story.

  • @DanAlcedo.3281 said:

    @hellsqueen.3045 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    There is always the other side of the coin.

    Did you kitten up a Mechanic or Bad Dps?

    (Most) people are toxic for a reason.

    People are toxic at all levels for content in this game.
    People were toxic about your DPS output in dungeons and in the open world.
    There is no excuse for being an A hole to people, no matter what level content, but lower level stuff should have next to none.
    Who cares if someone messes up a mechanic? Yeah, it makes things take longer but maybe talk to that person and ask and see if you can help them and if they don't have a clue, maybe ask them to drop out or something because they need people who know what they are doing and if they don't leave and you fail again then kick them. Then that leaves the person in question with a choice, do they do the right thing for everyone if they still don't have a clue what they are doing and find people who can teach them more slowly or do they keep being a burden and get kicked even after they were politely asked if they would drop out.
    I don't know why there are so many people who play this game who think their success is the only thing that matters, everyone is trying to have fun and learn and succeed and play, just because your success is less guaranteed, it doesn't mean you should be a jerk about it.

    The problem here is that there are level of toxicity.

    I understand its feels bad when you get called names, but people also shouldn’t ger offended by the tiniest
    bit of hostility.

    And more often then not there is a Reason his Teammates are getting Hostile.

    People are not some evil douchbags.

    You have to trigger them first.

    There may be a reason that lead them to being hostile, but perhaps those people shouldn't jump to hostility if someone doesn't know something.
    And yes, sometimes people are just that. Sometimes people are angry and cruel people, there are garbage people in this world and video games are not going to be immune to having those people exist. Sometimes you may just get someone on a bad day, other times you might just get someone who is like that constantly.
    This is not just restricted to GW though, it's all kinds of games. It is just kitten that it exists in all kinds of games because it sucks that hatred and anger exist everywhere.

    Founder of Affinitus Nemus [AFNM]
    "Join Us, We're Lonely" - Our Guild At Some Point

    JUST LIKE THE LORAX, WE SPEAK FOR THE TREES!

  • DanAlcedo.3281DanAlcedo.3281 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @hellsqueen.3045 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:

    @hellsqueen.3045 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    There is always the other side of the coin.

    Did you kitten up a Mechanic or Bad Dps?

    (Most) people are toxic for a reason.

    People are toxic at all levels for content in this game.
    People were toxic about your DPS output in dungeons and in the open world.
    There is no excuse for being an A hole to people, no matter what level content, but lower level stuff should have next to none.
    Who cares if someone messes up a mechanic? Yeah, it makes things take longer but maybe talk to that person and ask and see if you can help them and if they don't have a clue, maybe ask them to drop out or something because they need people who know what they are doing and if they don't leave and you fail again then kick them. Then that leaves the person in question with a choice, do they do the right thing for everyone if they still don't have a clue what they are doing and find people who can teach them more slowly or do they keep being a burden and get kicked even after they were politely asked if they would drop out.
    I don't know why there are so many people who play this game who think their success is the only thing that matters, everyone is trying to have fun and learn and succeed and play, just because your success is less guaranteed, it doesn't mean you should be a jerk about it.

    The problem here is that there are level of toxicity.

    I understand its feels bad when you get called names, but people also shouldn’t ger offended by the tiniest
    bit of hostility.

    And more often then not there is a Reason his Teammates are getting Hostile.

    People are not some evil douchbags.

    You have to trigger them first.

    There may be a reason that lead them to being hostile, but perhaps those people shouldn't jump to hostility if someone doesn't know something.
    And yes, sometimes people are just that. Sometimes people are angry and cruel people, there are garbage people in this world and video games are not going to be immune to having those people exist. Sometimes you may just get someone on a bad day, other times you might just get someone who is like that constantly.
    This is not just restricted to GW though, it's all kinds of games. It is just kitten that it exists in all kinds of games because it sucks that hatred and anger exist everywhere.

    You have a very sad perspective of the world.

  • @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    There is always the other side of the coin.

    Did you kitten up a Mechanic or Bad Dps?

    (Most) people are toxic for a reason.

    I don't think there's any reason for being rude or calling people names. I mean, I understand the motivation: we've all been in groups where someone screwed up big time and caused a wipe at the worst time. And those of us without push-to-talk aren't always cautious about what we say. But really, isn't it easier to not type anything than to type something mean-spirited? Kick without explanation if you have to, put someone on your "no fly" list if you want to avoid them (i.e. by nicknaming so you recognize their other toons). But no, there's no reason to be "toxic."

    That said, I've seen many reports here and on reddit and in /map etc, in which the person claiming they are the victim of toxicity turns out to be part of the problem. That doesn't excuse the response, but it also highlights the advice that people should check if their house is made of glass before throwing stones.

    "Face the facts. Then act on them. It's ...the only doctrine I have to offer you, & it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, ...FACE THE FACTS. THEN act." — Quellcrist Falconer

  • @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    There is always the other side of the coin.

    Did you kitten up a Mechanic or Bad Dps?

    (Most) people are toxic for a reason.

    Nope not at all, all I was doing was bouncing the ball on chrono and he called me an idiot immediately and I rarely mess up mechanics. The person in question is from a high end raiding guild as well where a lot of toxicity stems from.

  • Hey mate maybe it's because you don't listen.

  • sigur.9453sigur.9453 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    @innocens.1582 said:
    i dont do much, if any high level stuff, but what i notice is that some people
    only care about rewards/money they get out of dungeons/raids/whatever, and they have to get it
    in the shortest amount of time possible.
    They dont play the game because the think its fun, but just for as much rewards in as little time possible.

    How i miss my gw1 guild.........

    well you know, if you run the content for the 100x, there is not a lot of fun left you can get out of it. fractals especially are a very effective daily farm, nothing more. and people treat it that way. everything other than a perfect run is already a "failure" and seen as a waste of time.(same could be said about some super boring raid encounters, looking at you w3) i stopped doing them for the very same reason. this happens when there is to less "high level" endgame content or lets say to big gaps between releases. and the game is to tp centric. want anything? better get gold to get it.

  • innocens.1582innocens.1582 Member ✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    @sigur.9453

    i get my enjoyment through my interaction with others mostly.
    Its not the game, but hanging out with people i like.
    Its like going out in the weekend, you mostly go the the same places, but its the people you do it with
    that makes it a good nights out.

    I respect others having other views/opinions about it, whatever suits your fancy.

  • sigur.9453sigur.9453 Member ✭✭✭

    @innocens.1582 said:
    @sigur.9453

    i get my enjoyment through my interaction with others mostly.
    Its not the game, but hanging out with people i like.
    Its like going out in the weekend, you mostly go the the same places, but its the people you do it with
    that makes it a good nights out.

    I respect others having other views/opinions about it, whatever suits your fancy.

    if i understood correctly we were talking about random groups?
    obviously if i play with ppl i know and like i don´t care how or what we play. its more a bout the talk in ts.
    but no random stranger has to like you or has to be liked by you, so i don´t really see how anything you listed matters. no offense.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Illconceived Was Na.9781 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    There is always the other side of the coin.

    Did you kitten up a Mechanic or Bad Dps?

    (Most) people are toxic for a reason.

    I don't think there's any reason for being rude or calling people names. I mean, I understand the motivation: we've all been in groups where someone screwed up big time and caused a wipe at the worst time. And those of us without push-to-talk aren't always cautious about what we say. But really, isn't it easier to not type anything than to type something mean-spirited? Kick without explanation if you have to, put someone on your "no fly" list if you want to avoid them (i.e. by nicknaming so you recognize their other toons). But no, there's no reason to be "toxic."

    That said, I've seen many reports here and on reddit and in /map etc, in which the person claiming they are the victim of toxicity turns out to be part of the problem. That doesn't excuse the response, but it also highlights the advice that people should check if their house is made of glass before throwing stones.

    And then we get the threads in forum I was kicked for no reason why dident they explain what I did wrong gw2 community is so toxic.

  • PuppyMischief.7584PuppyMischief.7584 Member ✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    Ok edit that was a poor thing for me to say I'm sorry but I reworded my post so that it didn't include the person in question.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    Moderator Note: Removed quote, as the posting member amended their comments.

    Naming and shaming isn't allowed on the forums. Remember that you are the one being rude here, shaming a person, or even a guild, publicly, while the rest of us have no idea of what actually happened. (his post was removed too)

  • Ok so long story short because I need to get out my side of the story so that I can vent like a normal person this was a 100 CM run and we were at Artsariiv. I specifically said that I was doing the ball before we even did the pull. So I started to do mechanics because I know what I'm doing I'm no stranger to the rodeo. The minute I started bouncing the ball the person started calling me Idiot and many other profanities. I choose to leave because of the name calling I don't need to be apart of a run where I feel bullied and harassed. To be clear we did get the kill on the boss and no one messed up any mechanics the person in question felt it was their right to belittle me and make me feel bad and yes I had to log off after because I was very upset.

    This is the whole point of this thread to begin with what gives someone the right to act that way in a game like this? I've been with ArenaNet since Guild Wars 1 and their games have never been this bad. I've seen this happen to multiple people over the course of this month people being treated poorly. Regardless there is no reason you could possibly give me where its right to call someone a name, end of story.

    I reworded my post to not include the person

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    There is always the other side of the coin.

    Did you kitten up a Mechanic or Bad Dps?

    (Most) people are toxic for a reason.

    Yes. And that reason has a lot to do with themselves, not with the players they are being toxic towards.

    You can easily tell someone you're dissatisfied with their performance without being toxic. If you decide to be a kitten instead, it's all on you.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Noha.3749Noha.3749 Member ✭✭✭

    idk im not an elitist nor do i play much "high end" content. Just slowly climbing in t3 fracs, done a few t4s without problems with non-meta builds. even done some raiding with both non-meta and meta builds without problems (allthough its only a few runs this far). And ive NEVER had much issues with toxicity in this game during my years of playtime. Sure there are some kitten fellas here and there, but nothing extraordinary or worse than just some standard saltyness. Just go in with a smile, stay friendly and fun for your fellow players to be around and things wont be an issue.

    What goes around comes around kinda.

  • In all honesty it's probably a better idea to maybe approach a friend or guildie to vent rather than coming to the forums in an effort to drum up support to do... what exactly? Witch-hunting is frowned upon by both the GW2 forum AND reddit. If your post was genuinely about addressing an issue and not an overt way to try and shame a group of people after one, specific bad experience I could see the people in this thread taking it more seriously.

    Realistically I don't see the situation, in the instance of this thread, getting better. People offered advice in the sense of reporting, ignoring, finding a stable group, etc and so far you've ignored it. I'd honestly just leave it, try to find a guild or a group who does the content you like with the attitude you like.

  • Dibdabs.3410Dibdabs.3410 Member ✭✭✭

    I never group and never will. I'll help someone as I pass by, but that's it for me. The game is much less hassle and more fun for me that way.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    You can easily tell someone you're dissatisfied with their performance without being toxic. If you decide to be a kitten instead, it's all on you.

    This isn't true unfortunately due to how sensitive some people are. I remember that other thread when telling someone "hey man, your dps is too low" was considered both toxic and something to report. People making threads on the forums are really oversensitive and think that everything is toxic so "without being toxic" isn't an option for them, they see everything aimed at them as toxic.

  • @Nahemah.6795 said:
    In all honesty it's probably a better idea to maybe approach a friend or guildie to vent rather than coming to the forums in an effort to drum up support to do... what exactly? Witch-hunting is frowned upon by both the GW2 forum AND reddit. If your post was genuinely about addressing an issue and not an overt way to try and shame a group of people after one, specific bad experience I could see the people in this thread taking it more seriously.

    Realistically I don't see the situation, in the instance of this thread, getting better. People offered advice in the sense of reporting, ignoring, finding a stable group, etc and so far you've ignored it. I'd honestly just leave it, try to find a guild or a group who does the content you like with the attitude you like.

    It genuinely was about actual toxicity but you're probably right what goes around comes around. I'm not going to lose any sleep on it anymore I did block the person and thats all I can do.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    You can easily tell someone you're dissatisfied with their performance without being toxic. If you decide to be a kitten instead, it's all on you.

    This isn't true unfortunately due to how sensitive some people are. I remember that other thread when telling someone "hey man, your dps is too low" was considered both toxic and something to report.

    Yes, i wouldn't call that toxic. And that's apparently not the case discussed here. I seem to have heard something about someone calling OP names. And that is definitely toxic behaviour in my book.

    So, again, you can easily tell someone you're dissatisfied with their performance without being toxic. If you decide to be a kitten instead, it's all on you.
    If you're overly sensitive however, it's also all on you, i'm afraid.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Shikaru.7618Shikaru.7618 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    Moderator Note: Removed quoted content, as it was inappropriate.

    If his side is to be believed, sounds like a failure to communicate. If he said he was doing balls as chrono beforehand, a simple "no bs is doing it" would have been sufficient prior to encounter start. Throwing in names accomplishes nothing.

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    Moderator Note: Removed quoted content, as it was inappropriate.

    Well maybe you should have spoken up before the pull and say hey chrono dont do balls me the warrior will take care of it.
    If you dident then you have no right to complain that s/he did what they said they would do and dident fail it.

  • Glider.5792Glider.5792 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    Moderator Note: Removed quoted content, as it was inappropriate.

    Chrono doing ball ?? Thank you, god.. this is how its properly done... If the group is top-notch(smart), its the chrono who does the balls, not the warrior.
    Warrior has alot more dps and needs to do boonstrip (if no pain no gain) so others can do proper dps again, mesmer can easily just drop his wells and timewarp at the start and do ball afterwards, there is no need for chrono to be on boss at all.
    Idk why pugs still want warrior on the balls, its a bad choice.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeFWMeskOJhk8N-SvOFCJXA
    Fractal speed kills, raids, Black Lion Chest Openings, random.

    • Grow a thicker skin!
    • L2P so people are not toxic towards you.
    • Pull your own weight so that people don't have a reason to be toxic towards you.
    • Find a guild that is as casual as you are, so that you don't have to deal with that toxicity.
    • Block all the toxic clucks, so you don't have to deal with their toxicity.
    • Don't join the groups that are advertising for experienced players, or speed clears, or META builds only!
    • Build Fractal or Raid friend lists.

    There are so many way I've learned to deal with this problem. That As a person who have played GW2 for about a month and a half now. Have only ran into this once, learned from it. Haven't had a problem with it since. I'm speaking about both Raid and Fractal groups. But then again I have been MMOing since 2001 in Runescape so I guess I know how to navigate the waters.

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    My group runs as a static for Fractals and we don't send the Warrior to jump orbs either. I usually do it on Druid or Scourge (as I swap between those two depending on whether we have No Pain No Gain that day). We also happen to pug warriors frequently if we miss one static member. Thus I always tell them beforehand but they often miss me mentioning it or they simply forget as they are so used to jumping. But I am yet to have anyone insult me or even argue with me over it. People are usually quite happy even.
    Makes me wonder if you were really unlucky with your pugs or if we simply happen to LFG different sort of players.

    A litte off topic but the real difference between a good and a bad Chrono is that a good one can provide perfect boons while jumping while a bad one doesn't even provide good boons to begin with. People are so used to having warriors take care of mechanics as they do not even expect anything out of them which is pretty much a theme in raids and Fractals and which leads to players flocking towards warriors as they are being told nobody cares what they do as long as they drop banners and take care of a mechanic or two.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @hellsqueen.3045 said:
    There may be a reason that lead them to being hostile, but perhaps those people shouldn't jump to hostility if someone doesn't know something.

    Respect is earned, not given. If you don't know something, how to do a mechanic, how a boss fight works, then say it, you have a keyboard and can type. Not saying that you don't know something, then that something appears during a fight and you fail, makes YOU the rude person. Unless a player turns hostile in a training run... there is no way to describe that, other than saying that person is unfit to teach/train. But in every other situation, if you don't know how things work, speak up, it's that simple.

    Things get harder the higher you go, you think you have learned something but the mechanics and the way you have to perform can and may have to be different the higher you go. For example, sometimes when you get the debuffs like Social Awkwardness, if you don't have the perfect PUG to deal with that, then you have to change the way you perform to account for that.

    Just because someone may not know something or may not realise they don't know it, doesn't mean you have to call people names. It's not about respect, it is about common decency.

    Are you going to go into a level 30 dungeon and scream at some new player who has never done the dungeon before for not TP-ing to Murals Waypoint?
    Because people do that, because some people are just jerks. Respect may be earned, but it shouldn't be hard not to be a name calling jerk and just remove people without belittling them.

    Founder of Affinitus Nemus [AFNM]
    "Join Us, We're Lonely" - Our Guild At Some Point

    JUST LIKE THE LORAX, WE SPEAK FOR THE TREES!

  • Cedric Ambidexter.9174Cedric Ambidexter.9174 Member ✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    @PuppyMischief.7584 said:
    I'm getting tired of the elitism and toxicity in high end content, I log on to do my fractals everyday and enjoy my time playing Guild Wars 2. Today I had to leave a 100 CM pug group because of a specific players attitude towards me calling me names, being toxic and just thinking he was better then everyone else. This is not the first time that I've dealt with this and its the people from the same guild in particular that are the offenders. I hope that they realize that this is a game and its suppose to be fun. I feel like its people like this at deter people from wanting to do content like Raids, Fractals, Etc. Do you think ArenaNet should do more about these types of situations and or people? Do you think the report system in game doesn't work as intended? Sure you can block the person but there are many people like this. Any other suggestions that anyone has?

    It's my opinion GW2 and other MMOS are responsible for the way new players adjust to high-level content. For example, I consider myself a new player to GW2 as I haven't played consistently since I first joined roughly 2 years ago.

    I find MANY aspects of the game difficult to grasp/enjoy because of the lack of in-game training/content-based-tutorials and guides for things like dungeons, raids, fractals-in particular, and other game aspects that deal with player STATS and crafting. Being bogged down/overwhelmed by constant rewards and junk items every 5 minutes also forces us into emptying our bag instead of learning the game. This is perhaps one of my biggest concerns.

    Players who are experienced in this stuff don't want to train new players and get peed off if they're asked questions.

  • @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @PuppyMischief.7584 said:
    I'm getting tired of the elitism and toxicity in high end content, I log on to do my fractals everyday and enjoy my time playing Guild Wars 2. Today I had to leave a 100 CM pug group because of a specific players attitude towards me calling me names, being toxic and just thinking he was better then everyone else. This is not the first time that I've dealt with this and its the people from the same guild in particular that are the offenders. I hope that they realize that this is a game and its suppose to be fun. I feel like its people like this at deter people from wanting to do content like Raids, Fractals, Etc. Do you think ArenaNet should do more about these types of situations and or people? Do you think the report system in game doesn't work as intended? Sure you can block the person but there are many people like this. Any other suggestions that anyone has?

    It's my opinion GW2 and other MMOS are responsible for the way new players adjust to high-level content. For example, I consider myself a new player to GW2 as I haven't played consistently since I first joined roughly 2 years ago.

    I find MANY aspects of the game difficult to grasp/enjoy because of the lack of in-game training/content-based-tutorials and guides for things like dungeons, raids, fractals-in particular, and other game aspects that deal with player STATS and crafting. Being bogged down/overwhelmed by constant rewards and junk items every 5 minutes also forces us into emptying our bag instead of learning the game. This is perhaps one of my biggest concerns.

    Players who are experienced in this stuff don't want to train new players and get peed off if they're asked questions.

    I think finding a guild that accepts new players and knows a little bit themselves and just focuses on fun and learning first before diving too deeply into content is really good for new and old players alike. There is always new things to learn and it is often easier to do that with people you have fun with and therefore won't get as angry with failure.

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  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    I would love to see two difficulty levels in raids, which may also fix the elitism problems by quite a bit.

    • Then the current raids could be renamed to hard mode. With the current rewards or maybe some bonus rewards. For example, faster progression towards legendary armor and more valuable drops. Maybe also throw in a special title for completion of multiple raids in hard mode for bragging rights.
    • A new normal mode, with difficulty level similar to the current dungeons. Less complicated mechanics. It should be more forgiving for player mistakes and allowing for greater build diversity. Less elitism and PUG friendly. Rewards somewhat lower than hard mode. Access to most or all of the the current AP rewards to allow AP hunters to progress raids without them having to frustrate on the highest level.
    • (Optional) An easy difficulty mode. Tourist mode. Vastly lower AP rewards, difficulty and drops similar to lowest tier fractals.

    This will allow a majority of the players to experience raids on their own difficulty level, it allows hard mode players to play the content with similar-minded players and groups allows low and medium skilled players to enjoy the content also and allows players to gradually learn the content by stepping up the difficulty levels as their skill grows over time.

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  • @hellsqueen.3045 said:

    @Cedric Ambidexter.9174 said:

    @PuppyMischief.7584 said:
    I'm getting tired of the elitism and toxicity in high end content, I log on to do my fractals everyday and enjoy my time playing Guild Wars 2. Today I had to leave a 100 CM pug group because of a specific players attitude towards me calling me names, being toxic and just thinking he was better then everyone else. This is not the first time that I've dealt with this and its the people from the same guild in particular that are the offenders. I hope that they realize that this is a game and its suppose to be fun. I feel like its people like this at deter people from wanting to do content like Raids, Fractals, Etc. Do you think ArenaNet should do more about these types of situations and or people? Do you think the report system in game doesn't work as intended? Sure you can block the person but there are many people like this. Any other suggestions that anyone has?

    It's my opinion GW2 and other MMOS are responsible for the way new players adjust to high-level content. For example, I consider myself a new player to GW2 as I haven't played consistently since I first joined roughly 2 years ago.

    I find MANY aspects of the game difficult to grasp/enjoy because of the lack of in-game training/content-based-tutorials and guides for things like dungeons, raids, fractals-in particular, and other game aspects that deal with player STATS and crafting. Being bogged down/overwhelmed by constant rewards and junk items every 5 minutes also forces us into emptying our bag instead of learning the game. This is perhaps one of my biggest concerns.

    Players who are experienced in this stuff don't want to train new players and get peed off if they're asked questions.

    I think finding a guild that accepts new players and knows a little bit themselves and just focuses on fun and learning first before diving too deeply into content is really good for new and old players alike. There is always new things to learn and it is often easier to do that with people you have fun with and therefore won't get as angry with failure.

    It's extremely difficult to find a guild that does that kind of thing. All the guilds I've been a part of end up becoming just solo players doing their own thing.

    If you can point me in the direction of such a guild I'd be grateful.

  • @TheQuickFox.3826 said:
    I would love to see two difficulty levels in raids, which may also fix the elitism problems by quite a bit.

    • Then the current raids could be renamed to hard mode. With the current rewards or maybe some bonus rewards. For example, faster progression towards legendary armor and more valuable drops. Maybe also throw in a special title for completion of multiple raids in hard mode for bragging rights.
    • A new normal mode, with difficulty level similar to the current dungeons. Less complicated mechanics. It should be more forgiving for player mistakes and allowing for greater build diversity. Less elitism and PUG friendly. Rewards somewhat lower than hard mode. Access to most or all of the the current AP rewards to allow AP hunters to progress raids without them having to frustrate on the highest level.
    • (Optional) An easy difficulty mode. Tourist mode. Vastly lower AP rewards, difficulty and drops similar to lowest tier fractals.

    This will allow a majority of the players to experience raids on their own difficulty level, it allows hard mode players to play the content with similar-minded players and groups allows low and medium skilled players to enjoy the content also and allows players to gradually learn the content by stepping up the difficulty levels as their skill grows over time.

    Would rather see it adapted. Maybe so even the lowest performing build possible should be able to do it with ease. Difficulty is bad for game since most people dont want harder and they dont want lose the chance for same shinies as everyone else wich your suggestion. Everyone should be able to get same rewards at their own comfort

  • Warlord.9082Warlord.9082 Member ✭✭✭

    @PuppyMischief.7584 said:
    Today I had to leave a 100 CM pug group because of a specific players attitude towards me calling me names, being toxic and just thinking he was better then everyone else.

    This tells me that you didn't listen to anything the leader of the group said or messed up so badly at least once (but I assume multiple times) that they had to bail out. They are not required to play with you, OP. Reporting it is ridiculous and I hope they take your ability away to report if you did.

    Either way, mind telling us what it was that you did to kitten them off?

  • Grogba.6204Grogba.6204 Member ✭✭✭

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:

    Would rather see it adapted. Maybe so even the lowest performing build possible should be able to do it with ease.

    Now I want to see how that person clears everything with nomads staff guardian.
    Can I get all the shinies when I log in, plox?

  • Laila Lightness.8742Laila Lightness.8742 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    @Grogba.6204 said:

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:

    Would rather see it adapted. Maybe so even the lowest performing build possible should be able to do it with ease.

    Now I want to see how that person clears everything with nomads staff guardian.
    Can I get all the shinies when I log in, plox?

    It would end toxic behavior since they wouldnt be better than anyone else. And satisfy the majority. And allow all to play how they want

  • Despond.2174Despond.2174 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 21, 2018

    Hmm people toxic about open world DPS? I've never once experienced that, I find this hard to believe. Maybe CMs and high end raiding you can get people you may not agree with but that's to be expected @ any high level content. If they are actually excessively rude or something for no reason you can report, other wise stick with friends/guildies. To be honest, T4 pug dailies, open world, WVW etc it's pretty much 95% people being nice and sometimes OVERLY nice lol.

    Also I find in many cases like someone stated there's usually another story to be told. Someone may be really hampering a group, not accepting civil criticisms etc then when the group has had enough and decide to replace they will go to the forums and paint a picture like they were hard done by - I am not saying this is you but it's very common to have people exaggerate what actually happened.

    GW2 is easily the most friendliest MMO I've ever played but you can never avoid conflict, it's a human condition and natural as long as it's in check.

  • sigur.9453sigur.9453 Member ✭✭✭

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:

    @Grogba.6204 said:

    @Laila Lightness.8742 said:

    Would rather see it adapted. Maybe so even the lowest performing build possible should be able to do it with ease.

    Now I want to see how that person clears everything with nomads staff guardian.
    Can I get all the shinies when I log in, plox?

    It would end toxic behavior since they wouldnt be better than anyone else. And satisfy the majority. And allow all to play how they want

    you seamingly forgot that raids is a niche mode for ppl that want to be challenged. its not about pleasing the majority, its for entertaining a minority and keeping them in the game to spent money. same could be said about any mode that isn´t the most popular (OW). remove that and lose players that only play those modes. or do you think people will actually start playing guild wars because they have a raid/wvw/pvp simulator now?

  • FaboBabo.3581FaboBabo.3581 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:

    @hellsqueen.3045 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:

    @hellsqueen.3045 said:

    @DanAlcedo.3281 said:
    There is always the other side of the coin.

    Did you kitten up a Mechanic or Bad Dps?

    (Most) people are toxic for a reason.

    People are toxic at all levels for content in this game.
    People were toxic about your DPS output in dungeons and in the open world.
    There is no excuse for being an A hole to people, no matter what level content, but lower level stuff should have next to none.
    Who cares if someone messes up a mechanic? Yeah, it makes things take longer but maybe talk to that person and ask and see if you can help them and if they don't have a clue, maybe ask them to drop out or something because they need people who know what they are doing and if they don't leave and you fail again then kick them. Then that leaves the person in question with a choice, do they do the right thing for everyone if they still don't have a clue what they are doing and find people who can teach them more slowly or do they keep being a burden and get kicked even after they were politely asked if they would drop out.
    I don't know why there are so many people who play this game who think their success is the only thing that matters, everyone is trying to have fun and learn and succeed and play, just because your success is less guaranteed, it doesn't mean you should be a jerk about it.

    The problem here is that there are level of toxicity.

    I understand its feels bad when you get called names, but people also shouldn’t ger offended by the tiniest
    bit of hostility.

    And more often then not there is a Reason his Teammates are getting Hostile.

    People are not some evil douchbags.

    You have to trigger them first.

    There may be a reason that lead them to being hostile, but perhaps those people shouldn't jump to hostility if someone doesn't know something.
    And yes, sometimes people are just that. Sometimes people are angry and cruel people, there are garbage people in this world and video games are not going to be immune to having those people exist. Sometimes you may just get someone on a bad day, other times you might just get someone who is like that constantly.
    This is not just restricted to GW though, it's all kinds of games. It is just kitten that it exists in all kinds of games because it sucks that hatred and anger exist everywhere.

    You have a very sad perspective of the world.

    Pretty objective

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  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @PuppyMischief.7584 said:
    I'm getting tired of the elitism and toxicity in high end content, I log on to do my fractals everyday and enjoy my time playing Guild Wars 2. Today I had to leave a 100 CM pug group because of a specific players attitude towards me calling me names, being toxic and just thinking he was better then everyone else. This is not the first time that I've dealt with this and its the people from the same guild in particular that are the offenders. I hope that they realize that this is a game and its suppose to be fun. I feel like its people like this at deter people from wanting to do content like Raids, Fractals, Etc. Do you think ArenaNet should do more about these types of situations and or people? Do you think the report system in game doesn't work as intended? Sure you can block the person but there are many people like this. Any other suggestions that anyone has?

    Every time I hear stories like this I wonder if they tell the whole truth. I never encounter such things. Maybe others aren't talkative or a bit rude, but usually I never got called out, harassed or insulted by other players. Are you sure you weren't doing something that affected the other players negatively?

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