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Soulbeast Combos, Tricks and Guides.

bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭
edited March 27, 2018 in Ranger

Hello fellow rangers.

I want to discuss and help the soulbeasts out there because I see them kinda often but most of them arent doing so well.. at least against me.
Soulbeast is honestly completely underrated imo. We have so many combos that involve CC and burst dmg.
I want to explain my own general combo, what the options are and how to learn to read your enemies so that you can pull off your combos more easily.
First of all, I just want to say my build has a decent amount of healing power ( about 400 unbuffed ), 2500 power in beastmode, 58 % crit chance without fury, ~197% crit dmg.
Im using longbow + greatsword and smokescale + rock gazelle.

So.. I mainly just want to inform you about tricks that can be very helpful so you can use them yourself in fights. They take a little while to sink in but it will be worth it in the end.

Nr1: GS skill #4. if you dont want to proc the counterattack skill for example if youre kiting a mesmer and his phantasms attack you.. but you dont want them to trigger the counterattack so you can keep blocking.. You can jump jump and jump over and over to prevent it from triggering the effect. The block will keep going if you jump at the right time ( although theres plenty of room for error, so this isnt something that takes long to learn).

Nr2: You can EXIT beastmode and cast pet skills while casting a beastmode skill. For example, if youre using worldly impact, or Smoke assault, you can exit beastmode in the middle of the casting and ALSO use pet skills while the beastmode skill is being casted. IN-fight example if youre quick on the keyboard: you are in beastmode with the smokescale. You use your heal skill to proc the Muddy Terrain trait, which immobilizes your enemy. he is immobilized, so you start casting worldly impact. As soon as you start casting wordly impact ( basically just pressing all the buttons in succession. as long as theres a tiiiny delay between each press, it will work ), you EXIT beastmode, swap pet so that you get the Rock Gazelle PLUS the quickness from beastmastery trait.. then press your F2 to make the Rock Gazelle use the knock up skill.
I believe it is possible to pull all of this off within the casttime of worldly impact if your Rock Gazelle spawns at the right location and doesnt have to run towards your target.
In conclusion, with this combo you will get a complete stunlock + high burst dmg combo. Only counter is invulnerability or blocks. They get immobilized, knocked up, and take big dmg.

Nr3:This one might be kinda obvious to those of us who have played ranger for a really long time.. If youre quick you can cast Longbow skill #3 while dodging. Need stealth, but your opponent is casting a skill that you NEED to dodge? just keep this in mind. This also works with Longbow skill #4. Ive found this very useful because i tend to have better reaction times than my opponents. For example, if i am fighting another ranger/ soulbeast etc., and he is casting Longbow #4, if i am quick enough i can manage to cast it as well, while managing to dodge his. Ofc, he can dodge mine as well but it still works pretty well. Most of the time the ranger is expecting his KB to work.. You can also just cast Longbow #3 as the casting of that skill is instant. so you will be guaranteed stealth unless he manages to dodge it after you cast.

Nr4: This is more of a thing to keep in mind about the mindgame of 1v1. If you use the smoke assault beastmode skill.. DO NOT always use the Knock down skill. DONT. People have started to expect it. its been this way for a long time.. but i still see most soulbeasts do this. its a bad idea. MUCH better is either stand still for half a second or so and react to your enemy after casting it, or blocking in case they are trying to attack you as soon as the cast is over. If the former is the case and they just want to dodge your KB, you can ( usually ) stand still and look at them wasting a precious dodge while you didnt even do anything. This usually happens because Smoke Assault is such a confusing skill. If someone is using it on you, it is hard to see where your opponent is. and some players arent able to keep track of when it will end. THEN..... after they waste their dodge.. you can simple use the KB immediately after.

Nr5: Stop using Smoke Assault as an offensive attack unless you KNOW for SURE that you already have the upperhand. Keep it as an evade. or a gap closer. gap closing vs mesmers, necros and other rangers can be a very good idea as well. but dont waste it. it is incredibly important to your rotation and can save your life.

WILL ADD MORE TO THIS LIST, FEEL FREE TO DO SO YOURSELF AS WELL.

EDIT: If you want I can try making a video about these tricks to make it easier to understand.

EDIT 2:

Nr 6: GS skill #3, you can skip the run-phase of this skill if you need the evade + leap finisher to occur without any delay.
Example: You used the smokefield from your pet.. and you dont want to do the whole run as you might get interrupted mid-cast. The way this works is if you switch your target to something thats right next to you, or within about 300 unit range, GS skill #3 will skip the run, and only do the evade + leap.

EDIT 3:

NR 7: If youre using rock gazelle and youre in beastmode, you can untarget all players.. run in a straight line for 0.5 seconds.. retarget your enemy, and if you do it right you will still hit them with the daze. this is especially useful if youre being chased melee in a 1v1. why? cus if you kite and seemingly run away for just a second or so, and then run away with rock gazelle f2 for 0.5 sec as well, your opponent usually wont expect to get hit and wont be ready to dodge. its also just fun to do :)
This trick obviously originated from warriors GS #5 skill. sadly dont see that many players use it anymore. but because our version dazes on hit, its much more useful to use this trick.

NR 8: Now this one.. Id like to call it my own. i havent seen anyone else do it yet. Basically.. if youre fighting someone with stealth who is going to deal melee dmg to you.. ( thieves, sometimes mesmers, other rangers ) You can use rock gazelle f2 in beastmode in their general direction if youre confident enough, and at the right time. if you manage to hit them in stealth they will be dazed ( remember, ANYONE getting hit throughout the whole f2 animation gets dazed, not just the last strike ) and hopefully their stealth will be over by the time the daze is. IF the situation is perfect and their stealth ends way before the daze does, you could even use trick NR 7 as a combo with this.

Comments

  • I'm actually kind of embarrassed I didn't know the trick with GS 4. Counterattack proccing on phantasms has gotten me killed more than I'd like to admit. I wish there were more threads like this. Thank you!

  • Asuna.6591Asuna.6591 Member ✭✭

    Thanks for the thread and ideas in it ! I'll try to keep them in mind in my next roaming session. Keep the thread up !

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    @singinggecko.5736 said:
    I'm actually kind of embarrassed I didn't know the trick with GS 4. Counterattack proccing on phantasms has gotten me killed more than I'd like to admit. I wish there were more threads like this. Thank you!

    Yea i made this thread because i realized very few people were aware of these things. Youre welcome ^o^

  • kitten it, don't give those tricks a way it is good that people don't know how good soulbeast is.

  • beatthedown.2651beatthedown.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    Probably pretty obvious points. I do use SB for solo roaming and it's pretty good tbh. You also have lot's of escapes thanks to beastmode.

    LB 3 + beastmode = perma swiftness

    Warhorn 5 + beastmode gives you a few seconds of being unblockable. I personally don't use it like that very often since I usually want to stack boons on my pet.

    Snow owl is a lifesaver thanks to it's mobility beast mode skill and the heal. Perfect for roaming and also PvP since you almost never die. Other birds work too.

    Beast mode skills with added mobility + LB are also perfect if your target tries to run away.

    That condi removal signet is still a crappy option combined with Soulbeast. When will anet ever change it?

  • InsaneQR.7412InsaneQR.7412 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Good old standards stuff. I abused the first tipp actually while leveling and soloing champs in PvE.
    Its actually a shame that condi soulbeast is not a thing in PvP / is just plain out bluntly used in PvE because the specs current set up.

  • Shadowcat.2680Shadowcat.2680 Member ✭✭✭

    To add to saving smoke assault to use as an evade: the skill is also fantastic for staying on top on an opponent through their teleports. Mirages so often seem to expect three jaunts in a row to give them some breathing room, but smoke assault will keep a soulbeast right on top of the teleporting enemy, no matter how far they go, for the duration of smoke assault.

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    @shadowpass.4236 said:

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @singinggecko.5736 said:
    I'm actually kind of embarrassed I didn't know the trick with GS 4. Counterattack proccing on phantasms has gotten me killed more than I'd like to admit. I wish there were more threads like this. Thank you!

    Yea i made this thread because i realized very few people were aware of these things. Youre welcome ^o^

    Are you NA or EU?

    Also, you did a fantastic job with this list. I'd definitely recommend it to people trying to improve their Soulbeast gameplay. :]

    +1

    thanks man. I play on EU.

  • great topic man, these tips help

  • Prophet.1584Prophet.1584 Member ✭✭✭

    if you have your smokescale on passive and use F1 Smoke Assault will be one of its opening attacks, you can then merge and Smoke Assault yourself, unmerge and your soulbeast will do another fairly quickly.

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    PLease re-read the OP. Ive listed some more things that i think are worth reading.

  • Zuko.7132Zuko.7132 Member ✭✭✭

    for the longbow 4 dodge are you actually dodging while casting longbow 4? or cast longbow 4 and then dodge? Basically what is the button input and does it result in longbow 4 casting during the evade frame of the dodge?

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zuko.7132 said:
    for the longbow 4 dodge are you actually dodging while casting longbow 4? or cast longbow 4 and then dodge? Basically what is the button input and does it result in longbow 4 casting during the evade frame of the dodge?

    you cast it before dodge. but you have to be really quick and you cant do that as a reactionary thing. I think I might have to delete that part about longbow 4 cus it honestly only works reliably with longbow 3.

  • Zuko.7132Zuko.7132 Member ✭✭✭

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @Zuko.7132 said:
    for the longbow 4 dodge are you actually dodging while casting longbow 4? or cast longbow 4 and then dodge? Basically what is the button input and does it result in longbow 4 casting during the evade frame of the dodge?

    you cast it before dodge. but you have to be really quick and you cant do that as a reactionary thing. I think I might have to delete that part about longbow 4 cus it honestly only works reliably with longbow 3.

    i gotcha but it does cast the skill during the evade frame?

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    @Zuko.7132 said:

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @Zuko.7132 said:
    for the longbow 4 dodge are you actually dodging while casting longbow 4? or cast longbow 4 and then dodge? Basically what is the button input and does it result in longbow 4 casting during the evade frame of the dodge?

    you cast it before dodge. but you have to be really quick and you cant do that as a reactionary thing. I think I might have to delete that part about longbow 4 cus it honestly only works reliably with longbow 3.

    i gotcha but it does cast the skill during the evade frame?

    well the thing is lb #3 is instant cast so as long as you press that button 1ms before dodge you should receive stealth and maybe even mid-evade frame depending on the distance to your target.

  • Zuko.7132Zuko.7132 Member ✭✭✭

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @Zuko.7132 said:

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @Zuko.7132 said:
    for the longbow 4 dodge are you actually dodging while casting longbow 4? or cast longbow 4 and then dodge? Basically what is the button input and does it result in longbow 4 casting during the evade frame of the dodge?

    you cast it before dodge. but you have to be really quick and you cant do that as a reactionary thing. I think I might have to delete that part about longbow 4 cus it honestly only works reliably with longbow 3.

    i gotcha but it does cast the skill during the evade frame?

    well the thing is lb #3 is instant cast so as long as you press that button 1ms before dodge you should receive stealth and maybe even mid-evade frame depending on the distance to your target.

    ah but not longbow 4 gotcha

  • Brendan.1309Brendan.1309 Member ✭✭✭

    @bigo.9037 Thanks again!
    You rock man!

  • @bigo.9037 , nice one!
    Another trick if you play with Smokescale and Owl (or any bird):
    After you use Smoke Cloud, swap pet to Owl, go into beastmode and use Swoop (F1). You will get an extra 2 sec of invisibility (total will be 5 sec of invisibility), due the fact Swoop does 2 blasts.

  • whoknocks.4935whoknocks.4935 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

  • @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    For Roaming in WvW this is the best build. For sPVP you have more good builds, due to the fact you should play like a team, many fights are on medium and melee range etc. I don't know who are those ppl (everyone), but when you are roaming and most of the fights are in open space, believe me, that LB is your best friend and GS is your second friend. Matter if it is or not a "noob stomper build" if you can do your job done ?! Did you ask a warrior to not use his passive defensive skills because are too op, or thief to not use his invisibility because it is too annoying? I don't think so ... Conclusion, we should use whatever we have to win the fights. Ofc if you want to play at limits, hardcore, challenging, you can choose to play a build with Shortbow and dagger+torch ... maybe then those "everyone" will be happy and they will congratulate you :D .

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    spvp weapons are different because ranger builds are all about sustain and holding a node. roaming is different because the objective of the build is to kill the enemy. sword, warhorn, daggers or axe are kinda bad at that in comparison to gs and lb.

    every time I fight a ranger that uses 1 different weapon it usually doesn't go very well for them. sword/warhorn is popular.. but it's honestly pretty useless for solo roaming except for 1 extra blast finisher.

    you have 1 more evade but you can't kill any players with warhorn 4 and auto attack alone. gs has stuns, evades, gap closer/openers, block and KB + higher dmg. not to mention really OP auto attack chain that includes a full 0.75s evade frame which is an entire dodge roll.

    LB speaks for itself I think..

  • whoknocks.4935whoknocks.4935 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 24, 2018

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    For Roaming in WvW this is the best build. For sPVP you have more good builds, due to the fact you should play like a team, many fights are on medium and melee range etc. I don't know who are those ppl (everyone), but when you are roaming and most of the fights are in open space, believe me, that LB is your best friend and GS is your second friend. Matter if it is or not a "noob stomper build" if you can do your job done ?! Did you ask a warrior to not use his passive defensive skills because are too op, or thief to not use his invisibility because it is too annoying? I don't think so ... Conclusion, we should use whatever we have to win the fights. Ofc if you want to play at limits, hardcore, challenging, you can choose to play a build with Shortbow and dagger+torch ... maybe then those "everyone" will be happy and they will congratulate you :D .

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    spvp weapons are different because ranger builds are all about sustain and holding a node. roaming is different because the objective of the build is to kill the enemy. sword, warhorn, daggers or axe are kinda bad at that in comparison to gs and lb.

    every time I fight a ranger that uses 1 different weapon it usually doesn't go very well for them. sword/warhorn is popular.. but it's honestly pretty useless for solo roaming except for 1 extra blast finisher.

    you have 1 more evade but you can't kill any players with warhorn 4 and auto attack alone. gs has stuns, evades, gap closer/openers, block and KB + higher dmg. not to mention really OP auto attack chain that includes a full 0.75s evade frame which is an entire dodge roll.

    LB speaks for itself I think..

    With noob stomper build i mean it's very effective on bad player, the ones who random attack into gs block, or the ones who didn't gap close when you are on longbow.

    Everyone keeps reepating me that good players can outplay pretty easily lb + gs more than the other sets like axe axe or sword warhorn.

    I tend to struggle a lot against good warriors a lot, and holosmiths too...

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    @whoknocks.4935 said:

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    For Roaming in WvW this is the best build. For sPVP you have more good builds, due to the fact you should play like a team, many fights are on medium and melee range etc. I don't know who are those ppl (everyone), but when you are roaming and most of the fights are in open space, believe me, that LB is your best friend and GS is your second friend. Matter if it is or not a "noob stomper build" if you can do your job done ?! Did you ask a warrior to not use his passive defensive skills because are too op, or thief to not use his invisibility because it is too annoying? I don't think so ... Conclusion, we should use whatever we have to win the fights. Ofc if you want to play at limits, hardcore, challenging, you can choose to play a build with Shortbow and dagger+torch ... maybe then those "everyone" will be happy and they will congratulate you :D .

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    spvp weapons are different because ranger builds are all about sustain and holding a node. roaming is different because the objective of the build is to kill the enemy. sword, warhorn, daggers or axe are kinda bad at that in comparison to gs and lb.

    every time I fight a ranger that uses 1 different weapon it usually doesn't go very well for them. sword/warhorn is popular.. but it's honestly pretty useless for solo roaming except for 1 extra blast finisher.

    you have 1 more evade but you can't kill any players with warhorn 4 and auto attack alone. gs has stuns, evades, gap closer/openers, block and KB + higher dmg. not to mention really OP auto attack chain that includes a full 0.75s evade frame which is an entire dodge roll.

    LB speaks for itself I think..

    With noob stomper build i mean it's very effective on bad player, the ones who random attack into gs block, or the ones who didn't gap close when you are on longbow.

    Everyone keeps reepating me that good players can outplay pretty easily lb + gs more than the other sets like axe axe or sword warhorn.

    I tend to struggle a lot against good warriors a lot, and holosmiths too...

    by that metric you should have a lot of trouble playing as spellbreaker too cus their attacks are very telegraphed and not complex. I think this is more of an issue because the way you play. if you are new to ranger it's likely you have a very predictable rotation that other playerd can easily out-rotate.

    with gs/lb you should have no problems fighting any warriors. the main problem with holo is that they get stab off your pet and are otherwise matched pretty evenly against soulbeast. losing to them is fairly normal in wvw as soulbeast. at least if they are good.

    if you've ever played against some realllyyy good warriors you'll understand that even the most basic build you think is easy to understand and counter because it's simple can be extremely deadly in the hands of a player who uses it correctly.

    gw2 is very much a mind game when it comes to 1v1.

  • whoknocks.4935whoknocks.4935 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    For Roaming in WvW this is the best build. For sPVP you have more good builds, due to the fact you should play like a team, many fights are on medium and melee range etc. I don't know who are those ppl (everyone), but when you are roaming and most of the fights are in open space, believe me, that LB is your best friend and GS is your second friend. Matter if it is or not a "noob stomper build" if you can do your job done ?! Did you ask a warrior to not use his passive defensive skills because are too op, or thief to not use his invisibility because it is too annoying? I don't think so ... Conclusion, we should use whatever we have to win the fights. Ofc if you want to play at limits, hardcore, challenging, you can choose to play a build with Shortbow and dagger+torch ... maybe then those "everyone" will be happy and they will congratulate you :D .

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    spvp weapons are different because ranger builds are all about sustain and holding a node. roaming is different because the objective of the build is to kill the enemy. sword, warhorn, daggers or axe are kinda bad at that in comparison to gs and lb.

    every time I fight a ranger that uses 1 different weapon it usually doesn't go very well for them. sword/warhorn is popular.. but it's honestly pretty useless for solo roaming except for 1 extra blast finisher.

    you have 1 more evade but you can't kill any players with warhorn 4 and auto attack alone. gs has stuns, evades, gap closer/openers, block and KB + higher dmg. not to mention really OP auto attack chain that includes a full 0.75s evade frame which is an entire dodge roll.

    LB speaks for itself I think..

    With noob stomper build i mean it's very effective on bad player, the ones who random attack into gs block, or the ones who didn't gap close when you are on longbow.

    Everyone keeps reepating me that good players can outplay pretty easily lb + gs more than the other sets like axe axe or sword warhorn.

    I tend to struggle a lot against good warriors a lot, and holosmiths too...

    by that metric you should have a lot of trouble playing as spellbreaker too cus their attacks are very telegraphed and not complex. I think this is more of an issue because the way you play. if you are new to ranger it's likely you have a very predictable rotation that other playerd can easily out-rotate.

    with gs/lb you should have no problems fighting any warriors. the main problem with holo is that they get stab off your pet and are otherwise matched pretty evenly against soulbeast. losing to them is fairly normal in wvw as soulbeast. at least if they are good.

    if you've ever played against some realllyyy good warriors you'll understand that even the most basic build you think is easy to understand and counter because it's simple can be extremely deadly in the hands of a player who uses it correctly.

    gw2 is very much a mind game when it comes to 1v1.

    That's true, now trying to use more your build for roaming and I am having more success, before i was using stone signet and the two survival stunbreaks, but now using both moa and dolyak stance plus lighting reflexes (dunno if quickening zephyr is a better choice tho), I love dolyak stance especially for the immunity to immobilize which destroy rangers pretty badly.

    Against warriors i have more success camping greatsword, when they kill me is always when i have longbow out and i fail both stun and stealth arrows or because they dodge or because they reflect perfectly. Of course if they try kite me away for some odd reason i punish them using longbow, but good warriors tend to be always melee range as they should.

    Maybe you could make a video in which you show fighting tips, or the tips you described here put in practice, no need with voice, i guess pausing the vid and putting some text in overlay could be decent.

    Like: In this fight i kite using gs3, then turn back trying to land a stun, thene nter beastmode yada yada yada.

    Thanks again :D

  • @whoknocks.4935 said:

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    For Roaming in WvW this is the best build. For sPVP you have more good builds, due to the fact you should play like a team, many fights are on medium and melee range etc. I don't know who are those ppl (everyone), but when you are roaming and most of the fights are in open space, believe me, that LB is your best friend and GS is your second friend. Matter if it is or not a "noob stomper build" if you can do your job done ?! Did you ask a warrior to not use his passive defensive skills because are too op, or thief to not use his invisibility because it is too annoying? I don't think so ... Conclusion, we should use whatever we have to win the fights. Ofc if you want to play at limits, hardcore, challenging, you can choose to play a build with Shortbow and dagger+torch ... maybe then those "everyone" will be happy and they will congratulate you :D .

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    spvp weapons are different because ranger builds are all about sustain and holding a node. roaming is different because the objective of the build is to kill the enemy. sword, warhorn, daggers or axe are kinda bad at that in comparison to gs and lb.

    every time I fight a ranger that uses 1 different weapon it usually doesn't go very well for them. sword/warhorn is popular.. but it's honestly pretty useless for solo roaming except for 1 extra blast finisher.

    you have 1 more evade but you can't kill any players with warhorn 4 and auto attack alone. gs has stuns, evades, gap closer/openers, block and KB + higher dmg. not to mention really OP auto attack chain that includes a full 0.75s evade frame which is an entire dodge roll.

    LB speaks for itself I think..

    With noob stomper build i mean it's very effective on bad player, the ones who random attack into gs block, or the ones who didn't gap close when you are on longbow.

    Everyone keeps reepating me that good players can outplay pretty easily lb + gs more than the other sets like axe axe or sword warhorn.

    I tend to struggle a lot against good warriors a lot, and holosmiths too...

    by that metric you should have a lot of trouble playing as spellbreaker too cus their attacks are very telegraphed and not complex. I think this is more of an issue because the way you play. if you are new to ranger it's likely you have a very predictable rotation that other playerd can easily out-rotate.

    with gs/lb you should have no problems fighting any warriors. the main problem with holo is that they get stab off your pet and are otherwise matched pretty evenly against soulbeast. losing to them is fairly normal in wvw as soulbeast. at least if they are good.

    if you've ever played against some realllyyy good warriors you'll understand that even the most basic build you think is easy to understand and counter because it's simple can be extremely deadly in the hands of a player who uses it correctly.

    gw2 is very much a mind game when it comes to 1v1.

    That's true, now trying to use more your build for roaming and I am having more success, before i was using stone signet and the two survival stunbreaks, but now using both moa and dolyak stance plus lighting reflexes (dunno if quickening zephyr is a better choice tho), I love dolyak stance especially for the immunity to immobilize which destroy rangers pretty badly.

    Against warriors i have more success camping greatsword, when they kill me is always when i have longbow out and i fail both stun and stealth arrows or because they dodge or because they reflect perfectly. Of course if they try kite me away for some odd reason i punish them using longbow, but good warriors tend to be always melee range as they should.

    Maybe you could make a video in which you show fighting tips, or the tips you described here put in practice, no need with voice, i guess pausing the vid and putting some text in overlay could be decent.

    Like: In this fight i kite using gs3, then turn back trying to land a stun, thene nter beastmode yada yada yada.

    Thanks again :D

    Vs Warrior, one of the best trait line is Unstoppable Union. The fight vs warrior must be most of the time in normal form (not in beastmode). Try to use beastform only for unblockable hits or when you used already your stunbreak and you are stunned by warrior. From my POV warrior is one of the easiest class to beat when you are Soulbeast. Ofc sometimes it takes lots of seconds or can be a draw. The idea is to no camp too long in Beast form, in fact, in most of the fights Soulbeast shouldn't camp too much in Beast mode, but he must change all the time between pets and beastmode, we must use both pets skills and beastmode pet skills.

  • whoknocks.4935whoknocks.4935 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    For Roaming in WvW this is the best build. For sPVP you have more good builds, due to the fact you should play like a team, many fights are on medium and melee range etc. I don't know who are those ppl (everyone), but when you are roaming and most of the fights are in open space, believe me, that LB is your best friend and GS is your second friend. Matter if it is or not a "noob stomper build" if you can do your job done ?! Did you ask a warrior to not use his passive defensive skills because are too op, or thief to not use his invisibility because it is too annoying? I don't think so ... Conclusion, we should use whatever we have to win the fights. Ofc if you want to play at limits, hardcore, challenging, you can choose to play a build with Shortbow and dagger+torch ... maybe then those "everyone" will be happy and they will congratulate you :D .

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    spvp weapons are different because ranger builds are all about sustain and holding a node. roaming is different because the objective of the build is to kill the enemy. sword, warhorn, daggers or axe are kinda bad at that in comparison to gs and lb.

    every time I fight a ranger that uses 1 different weapon it usually doesn't go very well for them. sword/warhorn is popular.. but it's honestly pretty useless for solo roaming except for 1 extra blast finisher.

    you have 1 more evade but you can't kill any players with warhorn 4 and auto attack alone. gs has stuns, evades, gap closer/openers, block and KB + higher dmg. not to mention really OP auto attack chain that includes a full 0.75s evade frame which is an entire dodge roll.

    LB speaks for itself I think..

    With noob stomper build i mean it's very effective on bad player, the ones who random attack into gs block, or the ones who didn't gap close when you are on longbow.

    Everyone keeps reepating me that good players can outplay pretty easily lb + gs more than the other sets like axe axe or sword warhorn.

    I tend to struggle a lot against good warriors a lot, and holosmiths too...

    by that metric you should have a lot of trouble playing as spellbreaker too cus their attacks are very telegraphed and not complex. I think this is more of an issue because the way you play. if you are new to ranger it's likely you have a very predictable rotation that other playerd can easily out-rotate.

    with gs/lb you should have no problems fighting any warriors. the main problem with holo is that they get stab off your pet and are otherwise matched pretty evenly against soulbeast. losing to them is fairly normal in wvw as soulbeast. at least if they are good.

    if you've ever played against some realllyyy good warriors you'll understand that even the most basic build you think is easy to understand and counter because it's simple can be extremely deadly in the hands of a player who uses it correctly.

    gw2 is very much a mind game when it comes to 1v1.

    That's true, now trying to use more your build for roaming and I am having more success, before i was using stone signet and the two survival stunbreaks, but now using both moa and dolyak stance plus lighting reflexes (dunno if quickening zephyr is a better choice tho), I love dolyak stance especially for the immunity to immobilize which destroy rangers pretty badly.

    Against warriors i have more success camping greatsword, when they kill me is always when i have longbow out and i fail both stun and stealth arrows or because they dodge or because they reflect perfectly. Of course if they try kite me away for some odd reason i punish them using longbow, but good warriors tend to be always melee range as they should.

    Maybe you could make a video in which you show fighting tips, or the tips you described here put in practice, no need with voice, i guess pausing the vid and putting some text in overlay could be decent.

    Like: In this fight i kite using gs3, then turn back trying to land a stun, thene nter beastmode yada yada yada.

    Thanks again :D

    Vs Warrior, one of the best trait line is Unstoppable Union. The fight vs warrior must be most of the time in normal form (not in beastmode). Try to use beastform only for unblockable hits or when you used already your stunbreak and you are stunned by warrior. From my POV warrior is one of the easiest class to beat when you are Soulbeast. Ofc sometimes it takes lots of seconds or can be a draw. The idea is to no camp too long in Beast form, in fact, in most of the fights Soulbeast shouldn't camp too much in Beast mode, but he must change all the time between pets and beastmode, we must use both pets skills and beastmode pet skills.

    But i prefer to stay actually more seconds in beast mode for the extra stats and especially no to random proc full counter, when out of beastmode my pet end up always hit full counter because im too slow to retreat it.

    Another thing is, good warrior land burst skills into the pet to stack adrenaline health, so i tend and prefer to have the pet around the minimum time possible.

    Unstoppable union mess up only their shield block, other than that there aren't other blocks like guardian has so you need go in and out beastmode in my opinion.

  • Dragonzhunter.8506Dragonzhunter.8506 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2018

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    But i prefer to stay actually more seconds in beast mode for the extra stats and especially no to random proc full counter, when out of beastmode my pet end up always hit full counter because im too slow to retreat it.

    Another thing is, good warrior land burst skills into the pet to stack adrenaline health, so i tend and prefer to have the pet around the minimum time possible.

    Unstoppable union mess up only their shield block, other than that there aren't other blocks like guardian has so you need go in and out beastmode in my opinion.

    I understand why do you prefer to stay more in beast mode but overall is not efficient. You get more benefit when you are using pets abilities than staying in Beastmode. Usually, Beast mode should be used for his F1, F2 and F3, then for the period of CD you should use pet abilities. The extra stats are ok when you are in a safe area, but when you have pressure on you it's better to use pet stealth abilities, knockdown etc ...
    Regarding unstoppable, yes it is useful only against shield block, that's why I 'll fight vs warrior in normal mode and when he blocks with his shield I go into Beastmode and hit him with everything I've got. After that, I'll go out fast from the beast mode and use pet abilities also because I want to be ready to use the other pet or other Beastmode. From my experience, the best results you get when you mixed between Beast mode and normal mode and pets swap. That is the reason I don't want Anet to change Soulbeast, as some ppl asking, so you can't change pet in Beastmode because otherwise if you can swap pets in beastmode, rangers will camp forever beastmode.

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    @whoknocks.4935 said:

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    For Roaming in WvW this is the best build. For sPVP you have more good builds, due to the fact you should play like a team, many fights are on medium and melee range etc. I don't know who are those ppl (everyone), but when you are roaming and most of the fights are in open space, believe me, that LB is your best friend and GS is your second friend. Matter if it is or not a "noob stomper build" if you can do your job done ?! Did you ask a warrior to not use his passive defensive skills because are too op, or thief to not use his invisibility because it is too annoying? I don't think so ... Conclusion, we should use whatever we have to win the fights. Ofc if you want to play at limits, hardcore, challenging, you can choose to play a build with Shortbow and dagger+torch ... maybe then those "everyone" will be happy and they will congratulate you :D .

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    spvp weapons are different because ranger builds are all about sustain and holding a node. roaming is different because the objective of the build is to kill the enemy. sword, warhorn, daggers or axe are kinda bad at that in comparison to gs and lb.

    every time I fight a ranger that uses 1 different weapon it usually doesn't go very well for them. sword/warhorn is popular.. but it's honestly pretty useless for solo roaming except for 1 extra blast finisher.

    you have 1 more evade but you can't kill any players with warhorn 4 and auto attack alone. gs has stuns, evades, gap closer/openers, block and KB + higher dmg. not to mention really OP auto attack chain that includes a full 0.75s evade frame which is an entire dodge roll.

    LB speaks for itself I think..

    With noob stomper build i mean it's very effective on bad player, the ones who random attack into gs block, or the ones who didn't gap close when you are on longbow.

    Everyone keeps reepating me that good players can outplay pretty easily lb + gs more than the other sets like axe axe or sword warhorn.

    I tend to struggle a lot against good warriors a lot, and holosmiths too...

    by that metric you should have a lot of trouble playing as spellbreaker too cus their attacks are very telegraphed and not complex. I think this is more of an issue because the way you play. if you are new to ranger it's likely you have a very predictable rotation that other playerd can easily out-rotate.

    with gs/lb you should have no problems fighting any warriors. the main problem with holo is that they get stab off your pet and are otherwise matched pretty evenly against soulbeast. losing to them is fairly normal in wvw as soulbeast. at least if they are good.

    if you've ever played against some realllyyy good warriors you'll understand that even the most basic build you think is easy to understand and counter because it's simple can be extremely deadly in the hands of a player who uses it correctly.

    gw2 is very much a mind game when it comes to 1v1.

    That's true, now trying to use more your build for roaming and I am having more success, before i was using stone signet and the two survival stunbreaks, but now using both moa and dolyak stance plus lighting reflexes (dunno if quickening zephyr is a better choice tho), I love dolyak stance especially for the immunity to immobilize which destroy rangers pretty badly.

    Against warriors i have more success camping greatsword, when they kill me is always when i have longbow out and i fail both stun and stealth arrows or because they dodge or because they reflect perfectly. Of course if they try kite me away for some odd reason i punish them using longbow, but good warriors tend to be always melee range as they should.

    Maybe you could make a video in which you show fighting tips, or the tips you described here put in practice, no need with voice, i guess pausing the vid and putting some text in overlay could be decent.

    Like: In this fight i kite using gs3, then turn back trying to land a stun, thene nter beastmode yada yada yada.

    Thanks again :D

    yeah I might make a video we'll see. I have a few other things planned already so not sure exactly when it'll be out

  • whoknocks.4935whoknocks.4935 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 27, 2018

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    For Roaming in WvW this is the best build. For sPVP you have more good builds, due to the fact you should play like a team, many fights are on medium and melee range etc. I don't know who are those ppl (everyone), but when you are roaming and most of the fights are in open space, believe me, that LB is your best friend and GS is your second friend. Matter if it is or not a "noob stomper build" if you can do your job done ?! Did you ask a warrior to not use his passive defensive skills because are too op, or thief to not use his invisibility because it is too annoying? I don't think so ... Conclusion, we should use whatever we have to win the fights. Ofc if you want to play at limits, hardcore, challenging, you can choose to play a build with Shortbow and dagger+torch ... maybe then those "everyone" will be happy and they will congratulate you :D .

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    Those tricks are so helpful :D thanks a lot.

    Btw do you think there are other choices over longbow/greatsword?

    Everyone keeps telling me that it's a noob stomper build, and against good players it's very easy to outplay, is it true?

    Do you play other roaming builds and have other tips as well?

    spvp weapons are different because ranger builds are all about sustain and holding a node. roaming is different because the objective of the build is to kill the enemy. sword, warhorn, daggers or axe are kinda bad at that in comparison to gs and lb.

    every time I fight a ranger that uses 1 different weapon it usually doesn't go very well for them. sword/warhorn is popular.. but it's honestly pretty useless for solo roaming except for 1 extra blast finisher.

    you have 1 more evade but you can't kill any players with warhorn 4 and auto attack alone. gs has stuns, evades, gap closer/openers, block and KB + higher dmg. not to mention really OP auto attack chain that includes a full 0.75s evade frame which is an entire dodge roll.

    LB speaks for itself I think..

    With noob stomper build i mean it's very effective on bad player, the ones who random attack into gs block, or the ones who didn't gap close when you are on longbow.

    Everyone keeps reepating me that good players can outplay pretty easily lb + gs more than the other sets like axe axe or sword warhorn.

    I tend to struggle a lot against good warriors a lot, and holosmiths too...

    by that metric you should have a lot of trouble playing as spellbreaker too cus their attacks are very telegraphed and not complex. I think this is more of an issue because the way you play. if you are new to ranger it's likely you have a very predictable rotation that other playerd can easily out-rotate.

    with gs/lb you should have no problems fighting any warriors. the main problem with holo is that they get stab off your pet and are otherwise matched pretty evenly against soulbeast. losing to them is fairly normal in wvw as soulbeast. at least if they are good.

    if you've ever played against some realllyyy good warriors you'll understand that even the most basic build you think is easy to understand and counter because it's simple can be extremely deadly in the hands of a player who uses it correctly.

    gw2 is very much a mind game when it comes to 1v1.

    That's true, now trying to use more your build for roaming and I am having more success, before i was using stone signet and the two survival stunbreaks, but now using both moa and dolyak stance plus lighting reflexes (dunno if quickening zephyr is a better choice tho), I love dolyak stance especially for the immunity to immobilize which destroy rangers pretty badly.

    Against warriors i have more success camping greatsword, when they kill me is always when i have longbow out and i fail both stun and stealth arrows or because they dodge or because they reflect perfectly. Of course if they try kite me away for some odd reason i punish them using longbow, but good warriors tend to be always melee range as they should.

    Maybe you could make a video in which you show fighting tips, or the tips you described here put in practice, no need with voice, i guess pausing the vid and putting some text in overlay could be decent.

    Like: In this fight i kite using gs3, then turn back trying to land a stun, thene nter beastmode yada yada yada.

    Thanks again :D

    yeah I might make a video we'll see. I have a few other things planned already so not sure exactly when it'll be out

    If you planned other roaming videos those would be accepted as well :D> @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:

    @whoknocks.4935 said:
    But i prefer to stay actually more seconds in beast mode for the extra stats and especially no to random proc full counter, when out of beastmode my pet end up always hit full counter because im too slow to retreat it.

    Another thing is, good warrior land burst skills into the pet to stack adrenaline health, so i tend and prefer to have the pet around the minimum time possible.

    Unstoppable union mess up only their shield block, other than that there aren't other blocks like guardian has so you need go in and out beastmode in my opinion.

    I understand why do you prefer to stay more in beast mode but overall is not efficient. You get more benefit when you are using pets abilities than staying in Beastmode. Usually, Beast mode should be used for his F1, F2 and F3, then for the period of CD you should use pet abilities. The extra stats are ok when you are in a safe area, but when you have pressure on you it's better to use pet stealth abilities, knockdown etc ...
    Regarding unstoppable, yes it is useful only against shield block, that's why I 'll fight vs warrior in normal mode and when he blocks with his shield I go into Beastmode and hit him with everything I've got. After that, I'll go out fast from the beast mode and use pet abilities also because I want to be ready to use the other pet or other Beastmode. From my experience, the best results you get when you mixed between Beast mode and normal mode and pets swap. That is the reason I don't want Anet to change Soulbeast, as some ppl asking, so you can change pet in Beastmode because in this way rangers will camp forever beastmode.

    I am not saying I camp beastmode for minutes haha

    But when I enter beastmode especially in smokescale I tend not to spam the F abilities right away.
    I usually do the F2 and make a dodgeroll at the end of the animation because it is when you are more vulnerable, but as the OP advice I try to hold on with the knockback and worldy impact, because good players always expect F2 into F1 into wordly impact, so they are luckily to waste a dodge in there, you kite a bit and when see an opportunity F1 into F3 or any other burst skill you got.

    You don't have much benefits if you enter beastmode and none of the F abilities hit the target and leave beastmode immediately.

    But I know the necessity to have a mix of both, for example if the smokescale already procced a stunbreak of the enemy with his cc you have more chances later to hit your F1 successfully.

    What I find a bit clunky is the pet swap, for example I am in smokescale soulbeast and i get pressured a lot by condis i have to exit beastmode, swap pet to owl wait almost 10 seconds before entering again and use the abilities I need.
    At least i run the pet swap trait which give superspeed and cleanse 2 condis bc it is a survival skill, and that helps a lot in kiting.

  • Lynnie.7213Lynnie.7213 Member ✭✭✭

    This is a quality post right here, everyone should take a look at it. I've used to do the GS#4 trick so often that i didn't expect people wasn't aware of that. :)
    @bigo.9037 Great community help, man. ;)

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  • @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:
    That is the reason I don't want Anet to change Soulbeast, as some ppl asking, so you can change pet in Beastmode because in this way rangers will camp forever beastmode.

    that's exactly what most rangers want, to not have to be forced to use the kitten pet.

  • @scerevisiae.1972 said:

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:
    That is the reason I don't want Anet to change Soulbeast, as some ppl asking, so you can change pet in Beastmode because in this way rangers will camp forever beastmode.

    that's exactly what most rangers want, to not have to be forced to use the kitten pet.

    Sorry, maybe my english is not good enough, and I re-edited my post, I don't want pets to be swapped in beastmode, otherwise, Rangers will camp beastmode forever.
    And I think old and good rangers don't want pets to be swapped in beastmode, neither.
    Camping beastmode it will make rangers petless ... as I already said, they will become that druid from World of Warcraft or other games ...

  • @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:
    I don't want pets to be swapped in beastmode, otherwise, Rangers will camp beastmode forever.
    And I think old and good rangers don't want pets to be swapped in beastmode, neither.
    Camping beastmode it will make rangers petless ... as I already said, they will become that druid from World of Warcraft or other games ...

    Disagree. I do want rangers to be petless (or at least have the option to be). Pets have always been bad in MMOs but Anet's version of pet is the worst implementation ever. The AI is so bad, the reliability so low, and the skills so inconsequential (compared to player skills) that it is my fervent hope that Anet realises their blunder and reworks the ranger to not have a pet at all, or maybe just have a pet as a trait in beastmastery.

    Not to mention, WOW druid is a much better "ranger" than GW2 ranger, and the correct comparison would be to WOW's hunter, not druid, and WOW hunter pet still sucks but it is at least somewhat durable and reliable as a source of damage.

    Soulbeast as a spec also fails because one is more or less forced to swap in/out of beastmode in order to maximise effectiveness. Most rangers don't want this, they just want to stay in soulbeast mode and swap pets there.

  • shadowpass.4236shadowpass.4236 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @scerevisiae.1972 said:

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:
    I don't want pets to be swapped in beastmode, otherwise, Rangers will camp beastmode forever.
    And I think old and good rangers don't want pets to be swapped in beastmode, neither.
    Camping beastmode it will make rangers petless ... as I already said, they will become that druid from World of Warcraft or other games ...

    Disagree. I do want rangers to be petless (or at least have the option to be). Pets have always been bad in MMOs but Anet's version of pet is the worst implementation ever. The AI is so bad, the reliability so low, and the skills so inconsequential (compared to player skills) that it is my fervent hope that Anet realises their blunder and reworks the ranger to not have a pet at all, or maybe just have a pet as a trait in beastmastery.

    Not to mention, WOW druid is a much better "ranger" than GW2 ranger, and the correct comparison would be to WOW's hunter, not druid, and WOW hunter pet still sucks but it is at least somewhat durable and reliable as a source of damage.

    Soulbeast as a spec also fails because one is more or less forced to swap in/out of beastmode in order to maximise effectiveness. Most rangers don't want this, they just want to stay in soulbeast mode and swap pets there.

    I'm fine with pets. I do not want pet swapping in beastmode. Soulbeast is the most effective (in PvP) when swapping in and out.

    Also, soulbeast is the strongest spec for ranger atm. Maximizing your effectiveness by merging and unmerging =/= failed spec.

  • @scerevisiae.1972 said:

    @Dragonzhunter.8506 said:
    I don't want pets to be swapped in beastmode, otherwise, Rangers will camp beastmode forever.
    And I think old and good rangers don't want pets to be swapped in beastmode, neither.
    Camping beastmode it will make rangers petless ... as I already said, they will become that druid from World of Warcraft or other games ...

    Disagree. I do want rangers to be petless (or at least have the option to be). Pets have always been bad in MMOs but Anet's version of pet is the worst implementation ever. The AI is so bad, the reliability so low, and the skills so inconsequential (compared to player skills) that it is my fervent hope that Anet realises their blunder and reworks the ranger to not have a pet at all, or maybe just have a pet as a trait in beastmastery.

    Not to mention, WOW druid is a much better "ranger" than GW2 ranger, and the correct comparison would be to WOW's hunter, not druid, and WOW hunter pet still sucks but it is at least somewhat durable and reliable as a source of damage.

    Soulbeast as a spec also fails because one is more or less forced to swap in/out of beastmode in order to maximise effectiveness. Most rangers don't want this, they just want to stay in soulbeast mode and swap pets there.

    It is ok if you disagree. But petless ranger will not be ranger anymore. The GW2 ranger concept was a class with range weapon + a pet. If you really want a petless ranger, I think you should play another class, who don't have a pet.

    Not to mention, WOW druid is a much better "ranger" than GW2 ranger, and the correct comparison would be to WOW's hunter, not druid, and WOW hunter pet still sucks but it is at least somewhat durable and reliable as a source of damage.

    I don't understand how can be much better WOW Druid than GW2 Ranger ? Did you see a duel between WOW Druid and GW2 Ranger? Or you are saying this just because in your opinion WOW druid beat any other classes in WOW and GW2 Ranger didn't in Guild Wars 2, because much better this means for me. Well, I don't know what spec/build do you play with GW2 Ranger, but with my spec/build (not mine, there are many other rangers who use it) I can beat any classes, in both mode sPVP and WvW, and I enjoy this class more than other classes (ofc I have all classes in this game).

    Soulbeast as a spec also fails because one is more or less forced to swap in/out of beastmode in order to maximise effectiveness. Most rangers don't want this, they just want to stay in soulbeast mode and swap pets there.

    Definitely, you have a wrong spec or you just don't know yet how to play Soulbeast. I don't know who are these "Most rangers", because all good rangers I know (including good rangers from this forum) they like Soulbeast as it is atm. The beauty of playing this class is exactly the fact you must know how "to play on piano", to know when and how to swap pets, to choose the right pets in that way that they complete each other with their abilities, in other word, you must know the timing of your ranger skills+beastmode skill+pets skills. I said before, rangers is like elementalist and engineer, they have more keys for skills than other classes, so are harder to play, but once you manage to play these classes, you will have the most enjoy.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    How exactly smokescale gives invisibility to party? Thought I would ask here.

    "There is always a lighthouse, there's always a man, there's always a city."

  • @phs.6089
    Smokescale is ranger's only access to a smoke field. Using a blast finisher in the smoke grants stealth to nearby allies.

  • I run my soulbeast with Jacaranda, my survivability goes up really high and honestly I get accused of hacking cause you know..thats totally an original insult XD. Jacaranda in soulbeast mode is WONDERFUL in dungeons, PVE, and even in pvp. Reason why is that the soulbeast ability can heal and reprieve conditions from allies, and heal yourself. Which essentially gives you a total of 3 healing abilities as a soulbeast. This enables me to utilize other skills to move fast and hit hard. Works great and only class I have issues with are the mesmers. Though if you can track them and see which is the real one you can burn him pretty quick no problem. Just watch for patterns and be patient, wait for them to use their skills the first 5-10 seconds then go after them.

  • Tinnel.4369Tinnel.4369 Member ✭✭✭

    @bigo.9037 Mind sharing your actual build? Or at least your kit? Curious where/how you're getting the 400 healing and putting it to use.

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tinnel.4369 said:
    @bigo.9037 Mind sharing your actual build? Or at least your kit? Curious where/how you're getting the 400 healing and putting it to use.

    quite simple. gs/ lb, WS, BM and SB, if you want heals go rune of durability or something with boon duration and protection proc, moastance, protect me and a few pieces of zealots armor or trinkets.

  • Tinnel.4369Tinnel.4369 Member ✭✭✭

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @Tinnel.4369 said:
    @bigo.9037 Mind sharing your actual build? Or at least your kit? Curious where/how you're getting the 400 healing and putting it to use.

    quite simple. gs/ lb, WS, BM and SB, if you want heals go rune of durability or something with boon duration and protection proc, moastance, protect me and a few pieces of zealots armor or trinkets.

    Thanks, figured something along the lines of zealots or clerics. Dusting mine off, but with speed runes. Will have to find some boon duration elsewhere.

  • bigo.9037bigo.9037 Member ✭✭✭

    @Tinnel.4369 said:

    @bigo.9037 said:

    @Tinnel.4369 said:
    @bigo.9037 Mind sharing your actual build? Or at least your kit? Curious where/how you're getting the 400 healing and putting it to use.

    quite simple. gs/ lb, WS, BM and SB, if you want heals go rune of durability or something with boon duration and protection proc, moastance, protect me and a few pieces of zealots armor or trinkets.

    Thanks, figured something along the lines of zealots or clerics. Dusting mine off, but with speed runes. Will have to find some boon duration elsewhere.

    if you really want that you can go nature magic. I don't use the build anymore. I focus more on dmg just because it's more fun and I'm also using rune of speed. you can outplay much essier with the movement speed.

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