No more than 5. I think the matchmaking system is quite good. When I start losing too much I'm probably getting downgraded to matches with similar skilled players allowing me to get some wins again.
The most I’ve ever had was about 6? Was working on the stupid legendary backpiece achievement to get 11 wins or w/e with a prof I don’t play... and I was in plat.... yeah still haven’t gotten that one yet.
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23 ish ....its fun to play pvp straight for a whole day they said ....took me a long time to recover but i had similar win streaks though....
Went from top1000 ladderbordz (above 98% population or top2%) all way down to 55%.
It was a clown fiesta, 5x unlucky close 499 games, then 5x games of simply worse teammates.... but afther this it was hotjoin. Gravity and 1+1=2 dont apply anymore, so instead of focusing on a balanced 1v1 you just go yolo and 1v3 the enemy.
So the actual losing streak where logic and not RNG chaos applis was like 10 or 15.
In HoT, I lost 13 matches straight going from my mesmer where i'm plat 2 in skill to my ele which i'm bronze 1 in skill lol. I hate that rank isn't character bound. It being account bound means that i can't have fun playing my other classes cause I suck badly with them.
2 but I lost 34 and 37 rating from the games so it felt more like 13
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But I really hope you work about the algorythm that create those streaks.
It is not really dependent on the algorithm tbh .....lets say i am plat 2 and playing @ 4 in the morning when no other plat player is Qing Ranked. As is obvious no one wants to get more than 5 mins Q time. Sooo the only way for the system to work is maybe give a full gold team on the other side while i get a few silvers ....all in all the average elo in each team is more or less the same. Now if i am playing something like FB .......i can't carry the match as my dpsers would never be able to dps vs gold tier dpsers. So in these games u can either carry so hard your eyes fall off and you end up with a +5 or you lose -20. I usually get 300-800 games per season.So what i usually do is play casually till last 2 weeks then climb back to plat 2.
I think about 8. Nothing serious, it knocked me out of plat 3 to plat 1 though. Pretty annoying to be honest. They weren’t close games either, they became stomps after 1 particular teammate (each match) decided to tank, feed or afk. Oh well. Ded game mode so who cares.
If the matchmaker is truly giving you a 50/50 odds game, in theory you have:
1 in 32 chance of a 5 loss streak
1 in 1024 of 10 loss streak
1 in 67108864 of 26 loss streak
So either the odds are actually frequently way off 50/50, or, people tilting and raging has a way bigger impact on their play than they appreciate. Or both.
My personal theory is that the matchmaker doesn't re-evaluate rating "live", but rather re-calculates every hour, or 3 hours, or whatever. So, if you've just lost 5 games and immediately re-queue, you're still getting matched based on your old higher rating, until everything gets re-calculated, and then suddenly your rating drops 100 and you start going on a win-streak, until it re-calculates again in 3 hours time.
But then, that's reinforced by observing that stepping away after losing 2 games and coming back tomorrow is the best way to avoid losing streaks, which is also explained by having a night's rest and re-focusing.
weekends are doomed days if you want to win in PvP. 90% chances to be teamed with casual braindead zombies, throwers and afkers that will frustrate and get angry.
Longest losing streak was 8 games but my longest was 23 win streak hehe. There are ups n downs but it should be at least a 50/50 rating based on how its forced like it is with the mmr.
For a better understanding of the problem we must point something about those "losing streaks".
I'm pretty sure that most of you experienced a winning streak either before or either after your losing streak. Right ? Both come together but people are emotionally more affected by the loses and don't mention all aspects of the thing.
So, for the streaks, It's as if the system is working like this
after a small streak (like 3 wins or 3 loses), it doesn't take into account only your ranking for matchmaking, but it takes into account a new factor - something like that I will call a "buff" (after your 3 loses) or a "debuff" (after your 3 wins) that affects the teams composition. So if you have the debuff, then the system will puts you the 3 or 4 worst players of the 10. And if you have the buff, you will be with the 3 or 4 best.
And this buff or debuff disappear after some time. But if you persists you will suffer from it as long as you will not take a break. (it's why the streak continues and people can lose 200 ranks points in 1 evening).
So how can the system evaluate a bad or a good player ? Maybe by doing a mix of number of pvp matches played (and won/lost) since beginning, the streaks of each...
There were some feedbacks of people telling that their matchmaking were working very differently depending on which account they were doing their pvp. So their real lvl didn't change but their end season rank were very different.
Well, it's my own personnal theory. But I really have this feeling. (I have 12 818 pvp matches played atm and +5k in ranked).
I think that dev. should try something. Remove all factors used to calculate the matchmaking and the team compostion and keep only the rank. After that, only "luck" will determine if you will be with the best or the worst players. Because with luck, you should theorically not experience an ugly 20 streak of something.
@Delweyn.1309 said:
For a better understanding of the problem we must point something about those "losing streaks".
I'm pretty sure that most of you experienced a winning streak either before or either after your losing streak. Right ? Both come together but people are emotionally more affected by the loses and don't mention all aspects of the thing.
So, for the streaks, It's as if the system is working like this
after a small streak (like 3 wins or 3 loses), it doesn't take into account only your ranking for matchmaking, but it takes into account a new factor - something like that I will call a "buff" (after your 3 loses) or a "debuff" (after your 3 wins) that affects the teams composition. So if you have the debuff, then the system will puts you the 3 or 4 worst players of the 10. And if you have the buff, you will be with the 3 or 4 best.
And this buff or debuff disappear after some time. But if you persists you will suffer from it as long as you will not take a break. (it's why the streak continues and people can lose 200 ranks points in 1 evening).
So how can the system evaluate a bad or a good player ? Maybe by doing a mix of number of pvp matches played (and won/lost) since beginning, the streaks of each...
There were some feedbacks of people telling that their matchmaking were working very differently depending on which account they were doing their pvp. So their real lvl didn't change but their end season rank were very different.
Well, it's my own personnal theory. But I really have this feeling. (I have 12 818 pvp matches played atm and +5k in ranked).
I think that dev. should try something. Remove all factors used to calculate the matchmaking and the team compostion and keep only the rank. After that, only "luck" will determine if you will be with the best or the worst players. Because with luck, you should theorically not experience an ugly 20 streak of something.
Still my same old argument on this. Streaks do happen quite often, but many of the wins i'm getting could have been lost, and alternatively many of the loses i got could have been wins. I mean, quite often i'm losing matchs that could have been won if one player didn't decide to afk, or if 2 players did accept to read the chat. I cannot believe the matchmaker knows which player is willing to afk or not play as a team.
If i had chain wins of 500-10 followed by chain loses of 10-500, i would for sure call it strange and rigged. But that's not really the case..
My concern is more likely that i'm pretty sure most complainers are in gold 2 division, which is the most diversified in terms of players level, thus it can happen to have streaks of +/-3.
I was in plat 2 then started hitting a losing streak. Im at 7 losses in a row over the course of three day snow...And they say MMR is working. I was plat for like 3 weeks then all the sudden tanked
My personal theory is that the matchmaker doesn't re-evaluate rating "live", but rather re-calculates every hour, or 3 hours, or whatever. So, if you've just lost 5 games and immediately re-queue, you're still getting matched based on your old higher rating, until everything gets re-calculated, and then suddenly your rating drops 100 and you start going on a win-streak, until it re-calculates again in 3 hours time.
But then, that's reinforced by observing that stepping away after losing 2 games and coming back tomorrow is the best way to avoid losing streaks, which is also explained by having a night's rest and re-focusing.
i never thought about that
i always did assume that it was calculated live.... this would explain so much!
any insights on when someones MMR (or the values for calculating matches) gets updated ben? like every 3 hours or less?
Worst about 22 in my lifetime, this season about 12, with constant 5-8 loss streaks following 2-3 wins on Mesmer.
Place T3 Silver with Mirage this season. Switched to Weaver, Streaked pretty much all they way into Plat 1.
Switch back to Mesmer, constant losing streaks, (as I hit a wall at plat 1, and not having fun anymore on weaver) Pretty sure I'll fall back down to silver if I stick to mesmer.
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13 I belive, it was pretty rough. It was second seazon after hot release and I was playing core necro. Got to legendary anyway.
I had 11 that I know about for sure, but I feel like I had 16 once.
It will probably go even worse this season once I get to play it.
17 or 18 .
No more than 5. I think the matchmaking system is quite good. When I start losing too much I'm probably getting downgraded to matches with similar skilled players allowing me to get some wins again.
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The most I’ve ever had was about 6? Was working on the stupid legendary backpiece achievement to get 11 wins or w/e with a prof I don’t play... and I was in plat.... yeah still haven’t gotten that one yet.
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Plat 2 to Silver 2 in about 24 hours. Partly self inflicted. I played terrible builds on my worst classes to mess around. Back up to Gold 1 at present. Don't think I will be able to climb back to Platinum by the end of the season as I am winding down on sPvP efforts.
_We must secure the existence of our Quaggans and a future for Quaggan children. _
23 ish ....its fun to play pvp straight for a whole day they said ....took me a long time to recover but i had similar win streaks though....
23?
Recover mentally then, I assume?
22 and this was 3 season ago during some hardcore necro abuse going on
1-21 was my biggest streak.
Went from top1000 ladderbordz (above 98% population or top2%) all way down to 55%.
It was a clown fiesta, 5x unlucky close 499 games, then 5x games of simply worse teammates.... but afther this it was hotjoin. Gravity and 1+1=2 dont apply anymore, so instead of focusing on a balanced 1v1 you just go yolo and 1v3 the enemy.
So the actual losing streak where logic and not RNG chaos applis was like 10 or 15.
The longest losing streak from season 11 to now is 26 games.
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13-17 on my end, if it's somehow been topped then good lord.
Must of been an Ele
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Wow how in the world did that happen?!
Is damage too high?
probably a intentional throw
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Is damage too high?
In HoT, I lost 13 matches straight going from my mesmer where i'm plat 2 in skill to my ele which i'm bronze 1 in skill lol. I hate that rank isn't character bound. It being account bound means that i can't have fun playing my other classes cause I suck badly with them.
Somewhere around 9.
In my experience, I usually stop queueing around 5, because I only get that bad when paired with bots, AFKrs, and such.
My record in S2 with "competitive" matchmaking was approximately 68 straight games. This was on my alt account which finally got the legendary wings.
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I wouldnt be surprised if it was me.
2 but I lost 34 and 37 rating from the games so it felt more like 13
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Pretty sure it was 8, but not 100%.
I think 26
Thank you for the information.
But I really hope you work about the algorythm that create those streaks.
It is not really dependent on the algorithm tbh .....lets say i am plat 2 and playing @ 4 in the morning when no other plat player is Qing Ranked. As is obvious no one wants to get more than 5 mins Q time. Sooo the only way for the system to work is maybe give a full gold team on the other side while i get a few silvers ....all in all the average elo in each team is more or less the same. Now if i am playing something like FB .......i can't carry the match as my dpsers would never be able to dps vs gold tier dpsers. So in these games u can either carry so hard your eyes fall off and you end up with a +5 or you lose -20. I usually get 300-800 games per season.So what i usually do is play casually till last 2 weeks then climb back to plat 2.
I longest losing streak if I remember correctly is 10
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Sounds like they are probably losing on purpose
I think about 8. Nothing serious, it knocked me out of plat 3 to plat 1 though. Pretty annoying to be honest. They weren’t close games either, they became stomps after 1 particular teammate (each match) decided to tank, feed or afk. Oh well. Ded game mode so who cares.
You might want to try Tic-Tac-Toe
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If the matchmaker is truly giving you a 50/50 odds game, in theory you have:
So either the odds are actually frequently way off 50/50, or, people tilting and raging has a way bigger impact on their play than they appreciate. Or both.
My personal theory is that the matchmaker doesn't re-evaluate rating "live", but rather re-calculates every hour, or 3 hours, or whatever. So, if you've just lost 5 games and immediately re-queue, you're still getting matched based on your old higher rating, until everything gets re-calculated, and then suddenly your rating drops 100 and you start going on a win-streak, until it re-calculates again in 3 hours time.
But then, that's reinforced by observing that stepping away after losing 2 games and coming back tomorrow is the best way to avoid losing streaks, which is also explained by having a night's rest and re-focusing.
weekends are doomed days if you want to win in PvP. 90% chances to be teamed with casual braindead zombies, throwers and afkers that will frustrate and get angry.
Longest losing streak was 8 games but my longest was 23 win streak hehe. There are ups n downs but it should be at least a 50/50 rating based on how its forced like it is with the mmr.
My worst loss streak was Approx 4-5 and this is across all seasons I played.
2 or 3... why would you guys put yourselves thru that torture lol? just stop playing for a bit, 5-10min. not hard. you could even do unranked instead.
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dunno like 8 maybe
For a better understanding of the problem we must point something about those "losing streaks".
I'm pretty sure that most of you experienced a winning streak either before or either after your losing streak. Right ? Both come together but people are emotionally more affected by the loses and don't mention all aspects of the thing.
So, for the streaks, It's as if the system is working like this
There were some feedbacks of people telling that their matchmaking were working very differently depending on which account they were doing their pvp. So their real lvl didn't change but their end season rank were very different.
Well, it's my own personnal theory. But I really have this feeling. (I have 12 818 pvp matches played atm and +5k in ranked).
I think that dev. should try something. Remove all factors used to calculate the matchmaking and the team compostion and keep only the rank. After that, only "luck" will determine if you will be with the best or the worst players. Because with luck, you should theorically not experience an ugly 20 streak of something.
The match maker doesn’t make streaks happen.
Still my same old argument on this. Streaks do happen quite often, but many of the wins i'm getting could have been lost, and alternatively many of the loses i got could have been wins. I mean, quite often i'm losing matchs that could have been won if one player didn't decide to afk, or if 2 players did accept to read the chat. I cannot believe the matchmaker knows which player is willing to afk or not play as a team.
If i had chain wins of 500-10 followed by chain loses of 10-500, i would for sure call it strange and rigged. But that's not really the case..
My concern is more likely that i'm pretty sure most complainers are in gold 2 division, which is the most diversified in terms of players level, thus it can happen to have streaks of +/-3.
I was in plat 2 then started hitting a losing streak. Im at 7 losses in a row over the course of three day snow...And they say MMR is working. I was plat for like 3 weeks then all the sudden tanked
Most of my losses were absolute blow outs too which should not happen in plat
Aaaaand you think its fine...
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i never thought about that
i always did assume that it was calculated live.... this would explain so much!
any insights on when someones MMR (or the values for calculating matches) gets updated ben? like every 3 hours or less?
Worst about 22 in my lifetime, this season about 12, with constant 5-8 loss streaks following 2-3 wins on Mesmer.
Place T3 Silver with Mirage this season. Switched to Weaver, Streaked pretty much all they way into Plat 1.
Switch back to Mesmer, constant losing streaks, (as I hit a wall at plat 1, and not having fun anymore on weaver) Pretty sure I'll fall back down to silver if I stick to mesmer.
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