Ask WvW community for opinions before balance patches.
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Nothing hard nor fancy:
- You make + apply a patch.
- You send an link/mail to ONLY WvW players who have achieved ATLEAST rank 1000 (rank number is up to you).
- Get feedback.
- Be surprised how many people actually are upset/satisfied with the patches applied.
Now WvW ranks obviously do not show overall class knowledge but it does restrict more clueless people in participating towards giving feedback. Atleast with certain fixated minimum rank you do gain the foundation knowledge of your frequently played class (or classes).
If you wont set in any restrictions on from whom to ask feedback from then it will be the same "knife in the back stabbing" when the last time you guys made a poll and asked what to do with red borderland. The stabbing part was asking opinion from EVERYONE (that includes a massive PVE population who doesnt play WvW) and based on that made an unwanted decision that many regular WvW players were against.
Oh who am i kidding..its anet..they dont ask opinions from anyone and make their very experienced class change decisions from ranger game plays.
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Yes because I am sure this would go over well with the other 95% of the game's population.
Anet buff me :-(
Make me good at game!
It was about time FC was nerfed in competitive modes.
Go look at the class forms nothing in the last few balance patches is ever close to what they want. There is no way anet is looking at its player base feed back.
See ELE forms and you will get my views.
Don't do that.
[NUKE]
First they took my demon summoning meme build, and now they kitten my shattered aegis bag tag build. I'm running out of things to do in this game mode! Only those with 4 stars in the Forum Wars, and 1337 WvW rank should represent. Totally, yep. Coo'.
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This. It's essentially just "ehh, Full Counter was fine for a year.... what the hell, 50% DAMAGE NERF, haHAAA! Go reroll class or uninstall".
No, this is a terrible idea. People already can't agree on what they think needs to be balanced.
I feel as though I can accurately predict the feedback that ANET would mostly get in your suggestion:
"Buff my preferred profession. Nerf the professions that have tools to deal with my preferred profession."
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People already make suggestions for WvW changes, some of which get incorporated in balancing.
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Given that WvW is barely a consideration when it comes to balancing (and often not even that), this idea would be pointless.
I too would like unicorns and world peace.
How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?
Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.
That is part of the problem. No one who mains a class is ever (mostly ever) happy with a nerf.
It is always: nerf the other guy’s class because it’s OP. Constantly.
Rarely will you see a WvW post where the player who mains that class comes in and says: my class is OP. Nerf it.
Look at the past year. Each class has been hit by a significant enough nerf that hurt its inclusion in at least one of the Metas. An occasional buff has taken place to move a left behind class into the Meta.
And with all the complaints about condi, they toned it down, now people complain about getting one shot. Which again, when you explore some of the changes, is why some of these changes were implemented.
Thank You for the {MEME}
Wish I could thumb up AND helpful this post.
Thank You for the {MEME}
There are two far superior ways to go about it if you are going for input from players with experience:
How to solve population balance
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Actually, in my guild one of best, everyone was saying guard and necro are broken... But noone listens to hardcore players. Let's make everything for the casual.
All you need to do is post yourself abusing a mechanic in a raid.
They'll fix it asap.
Tbh, it happened more than once.
I'm a regular WvW player and I voted to keep Desert Borderlands...
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S> @Jeknar.6184 said:
Many others did as well. It may have had something to do with how the poll was worded.
Thank You for the {MEME}
That implies that players would have any idea of how to balance a game.
Pls just permaban me by now so I can stop going back here
That's tough cuz those "renowned" commanders tend to look at wvw around their playstyle. Or much worse, they lead dead guilds. better off asking a pvx guild, same result.
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Michelin rated WvW guild since 2015. The gold standard. Never transferred, never reformed, adapting and reloading with or without Anet.
I think the balancing they're doing is fine, They could it faster tho.
And buff/rework/add some weapons. 6 years and ranger still has no viable weapon to damage groups.
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So, uh... what would happen if the "WvW community" had their way instead? Hm, lets see...
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Sounds great when's the patch
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They still produce content and others consume content, there is no playstyle from those who do not tag or take initiative to create their own content. If the guilds are dead they do not. Finding out who's alive isn't hard. All it takes is paying attention.
How to solve population balance
Q&A
How will you establish which opinions matter from this select group of "renowned guilds and commanders?" give us a few examples.
Spectre [VII] - Wood League Champion. Making "fight guilds" stack on higher tiers since 2013.
Michelin rated WvW guild since 2015. The gold standard. Never transferred, never reformed, adapting and reloading with or without Anet.
Same. In part because it's really pretty, the keeps are neat, and also because if we kitten like kitten kids all over their work, we'll never get other new maps in WvW.
How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?
Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], member of [RaW][TACO][Owls][HELL] Alliance, Kaineng.
The only thing we'd probably all agree on is condi mesmer is busted and barely got touched last patch.
Don't. You'll never get anywhere listening to players particularly to the wvw community. Even the pvp community makes more sense and direction than them.
One less jaunt to outrun them zergs with, but it's cool, I hardly ever outrun them anyway, so having only 2 doesn't matter that much.
That method would be redundant considering we have the forums.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62658/alliance-design-that-stops-the-qq
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/62555/putting-fun-back-into-designs-and-balancing
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/9804/idea-wvw-only-movement-skills
ANET pls hire this guy 10/10 patch
That why i always said on the class forms to only talk about that class not others as you cant go anywhere with that nerf every thing mind set.
You would not say ask pve players only (what seems to be what happens with most of the nerfs and buffs) as perma effects are ok in pve with out braking bosses but if you have perma effects in pvp or wvw your talking about game braking effects.
See ELE forms and you will get my views.
I feel this is a bad idea since the community has mostly received the changes they asked for:
I also don't like the idea to getting feedback from commanders and large guilds since this will make the game even more one-dimensional. It's already gotten to the point that if there isn't a tag or zerg most people log out. Other play styles need to be supported and encouraged.
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As for the balance patch, this was one of the best balance patches they've ever done. Just look at the bigger picture instead of a specific profession.
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So every one should have all class level 80 then? Some ppl realty like to play one hero and not have to many alts. The bigger picture is a mess of a balance patches that did nothing but nerf every thing ever the buffs where nerfs it randomly added 10 target effects with out any though of the skills cd and effects and over all is trying to remove all of the randomness from combat also know as "fun" by most pvp players.
Anet intent of what they say they want dose not even come close to this balance patch.
See ELE forms and you will get my views.
Anet doesn't have to ask the players for any advice what-so-ever. It's their game. They can do with it whatever they want and please. Just because you don't like something that they do to your character doesn't mean they have to bow down to you and listen to everything you say. What you don't understand is that they have a vision and a plan for this game and they are working to accomplish that within their means. Do they occasionally listen to what players are saying and take that into their decision making when it comes to balance patching? Perhaps, but then again it may not be exactly in the way you want it to be done because they are doing it the way they want to do it. It makes sense to them. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's wrong.
Honestly i dont give a kitten about "my character", instead i do care a lot on how every change on classes impacts blobbing gameplay. You know, blobbing? The part that made everyone horny for this game mode in the first place.
Im also guessing youre a first timer to this game cause if youd play this game atleast for 5 years then youd clearly understand that their "vision" is the reason why many players have left WvW game mode over the years. Why? Cause of very poorly designed patches that have made blobbing gameplay fairly unenjoyable.
Heres an example of one of the most fun guilds from pre HoT with a reason added why they left.
23:05 minute mark if youre confused. Now take a guess what made good guild amongst with many others leave the game, eventhough a lot gave their very best to convert themselves into the "balance" patches.
Anet has no vision in terms of WvW. Even right now they gutted 2 support classes (scrapper + mesmer) which made them fairly handy in blob fights. They also added big kitten cooldowns to firebrand support tomes which was one of the few counters against pirateship wars.
But do you want to know who didnt get a nerf hammer? Scourges..they class that everyone has been shouting to get a nerf for long time.
Scourges have ranged damage, tankiness, support (barriers) and with vampirism runes included- massive life leech. That class is the biggest reason why many equal quality blobs are pirate crapping like crazy or why one blob can 1 push another.
Son play this game mode longer and do atleast several years of WvW commanding frequently. Then come and talk to me again that anet has "vision" amongst with knowing what they are doing.
LOL. You have no idea about me at all. That's all cool. You can make all your assumptions you want. I have been playing this game for a while now, but even if I tell you that you won't believe me because you've already made up your mind about me. So all good. As I said, it is still their game. They can do with it whatever they want to do with it. They own it. Just because you don't like the way they are making their game does not mean they will stop everything they are doing and listen to exactly what you say you want them to do to the game. Doesn't work that way. They will do as they please. People can come on the forums and moan and cry about this nerf or that nerf, or how this is too OP or that is too OP. In the end it is up to their decision as to how they want to handle that. We as players cannot know in what direction the developers are trying to take this game. So by us trying to dictate what they should and shouldn't do without knowing where they are going with the game is asinine. Something we suggest may actually make something so over the top OP or so extremely nerfed to something they have in plans for the next expansion. WE do not dictate how this game should be. If you feel like what they are doing isn't in your best interest for playing, then by all means stop playing and go find a different game that matches more to your vision of how a game should be played. Or better yet, go start up your own MMO and then let every single thing all the players say dictate how your game goes and see how well it runs.
Why not just ask for a 30v30 Conquest Mode? blink
Wait, so that's what WvW looks like with no Scourge / FB spam? Hardly recognize it....
All the trash you see these days comes thanks to anet and their patches.
WvW was far more heavily populated and much more enjoyable for everyone until some people from anet decided to botch the gameplay mechanics.
Maybe asking people is a bad idea, but I could go for ANET at least considering how WvW will be effected from a "balance" patch. I remember when the meta was actually monitored a little instead of the chaotic toss up depending on SPvP changes that it has become.
This post reminds me of the mesmer forum in pve, mainly the "they nerfed my class, ima leave the game"
FB was nerfed. Necessarily? Maybe. Is it unplayable? Far from it. And please, please stop with the "but scourge, the bane of wvw, wasnt nerfed"
I will remind you the increase of cooldown in all shade skills (50%), the Dhuumfire nerf, the big shade nerf (it had its cooldown from 10s increased to 30s). Did necro players complain? They sure did. Did they adapt? Yes they did. Because it all came down from mindless shade spamming to tactical big shade+shroud activation. Spam big shades, you wont have any to place during a bomb. Spam shroud, you will have to wait 30s to place it in a bomb. Hell, in current meta (pre 11-12 patch) necros didnt even take soulreap line, for the 20% decrease in cooldown of shroud skills.
Spellbreaker also has WoD nerfed. Still necessary.
Minstrel mesmer boonshare was nerfed. Let's admit it, that class combined with firebrand was heavy Boonspamming machine. Tome 3 had 42s cd, much less with conversion of chill to alacrity, so you could just spam spam spam (and that is why the game has scourges and spellbreakers).
TL;dr you will adapt. Scourges did. Spellbreakers did. Apart from the class imbalances, wvw suffers (in my opinion, much more) heavily from population imbalance and the frustration that comes with it. Hope to see you on the borderlands!
WvW is fine the way it is... I just want Desert Oasis Event back without the lag.
Wvw is mostly fine as long as anet stays out of ppl ways its the class balancing that is pushing ppl out of the game comply.
See ELE forms and you will get my views.
Yes. ANet should definitely ask blobbing #metamorons for an opinion before releasing a patch.
Then a "no downstate week" comes and all the crying begins. People won't even engage in fights, because they're so afraid of losing.
Why should anyone ask this kind of players anything?
Those metamorons know far more then anet staff who only play rangers.
Are you playing in NA or something? In EU nobody stopped engaging when no downstate week was active, in fact people went more agressive with the gameplay.
Again "these kind" of players know far more then the numpties who are in charge of WvW department.
Grade A opinions right here. As an armchair developer, I too would want to see these things.
Holy Warriors of [Kazo] following Kazo doctrine guided by, Our Lord and Commander, Zudo in the holy Trinity of Him and his two firm glutes.
Yup, sounds like the #truth... So how come none of them sit on the team nor have any track record in developing MMO games then? In fact most of them play from their parents' basements.
Read the old threads about no downstate, where commtards are crying because their blobs are looking at each other for 20 mins until one of them gets one pushed...
So, coming back to my question... Why does ANet have to ask you anything, since you have literally no grasp of reality?