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Revenants Need a Nerf

DaShi.1368DaShi.1368 Member ✭✭✭

I just played against one and lost badly. High damage, high evades, high cc, instant teleport, unblockable attacks, and no cooldown on skills. How do you counter something like that?

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  • @Jeknar.6184 said:
    By playing Mirage. It have Conditions, High Damage, Conditions, High CC, Conditions, High Mobility, Conditions, Mirage Cloak, Conditions... Have I mentioned conditions?

    Feel free to remove high mobility and high cc and leave only conditions and you are there :D

  • DaShi.1368DaShi.1368 Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2018

    I don't want to change my class or build.

  • @DaShi.1368 said:
    I don't want to change my class or build.

    Silently files nails

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • DaShi.1368DaShi.1368 Member ✭✭✭

    So I need to change everything just to play against one class?

  • @Snellibee.2761 said:
    "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here.

    Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ?

  • Abelisk.4527Abelisk.4527 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Revenants tend to use up their defenses. After all that is set and done, defeat them.

  • DaShi.1368DaShi.1368 Member ✭✭✭

    Rev has evade and cc on staff on one skill. Sword has a ton of evades and a no cd stun break/dodge. Then there are cc in Shiro and Glint. Staff also has another cc, but it has a very easy to meet condition before it becomes an AoE cc. It also has a teleport on sword 5 and the Shiro one.

  • @Snellibee.2761 said:

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:
    "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here.

    Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ?

    I didn't say the Rev was better because he killed him, it was clear from the post that OP doesn't know anything about Revenant and their kit and just got outskilled.
    Revenant does not have any high CC whatsoever. Evades neither. No instant teleport, he has 2 shadowsteps; One with 1200 range that has an animation and can be interrupted. One with 600 range that is instant. Rev has 2 unblockable attacks after using shiro's shadowstep and one unblockable attack with shiro's F2(barely good), but it has a high energy cost so you can't just spam it like op makes it look like they can. Revenant has CD on skills.

    So this is really a l2p issue here.

    I stopped to read at 'evades either' because they can chain lots of evades . Not long time ago Poosi was complaining about revs and been blown away from full to zero instant xD was hilarious to watch .
    Also no idea what op playing

  • DaShi.1368DaShi.1368 Member ✭✭✭

    I play power herald rev. And another one beat me! :angry:

  • @DaShi.1368 said:
    Rev has evade and cc on staff on one skill. Sword has a ton of evades and a no cd stun break/dodge. Then there are cc in Shiro and Glint. Staff also has another cc, but it has a very easy to meet condition before it becomes an AoE cc. It also has a teleport on sword 5 and the Shiro one.

    Sword has one evade wich 7/10 times doesn't even work. Sword does not have any no CD stunbreak/dodge. Shiro has but like I said before, it uses 30 energy . Using riposting shadows makes it so the Revenant is unable to attack after due to no energy. ez kill. Nobody uses Shiro's elite ability to stun people, 50 energy on use is not worth it and you'll barely even have so much energy on Shiro anyway. The only CC Revenant has that is worth using is 20s CD staff 5 and 45s CD Glint elite.

  • @Snellibee.2761 said:
    Revenant has no acces to vigor unlike any class. So you'll have a slow endurance regeneration and less dodges than other classes. Besides dodges Revenant has 3 skills that can evade attacks. Staff 5 wich has a 20s CD. Shiro's Riposting Shadows wich uses 30 energy on use. Sword 3 wich 7-10 times bugs out and doesn't want to work properly(fix this anet).

    Anyone saying Revenant has a lot of evades are completely delusional and forget about Mesmers, Weavers and thiefs who have way more evades.

    So im delusional because rev actually can chain lots of evades? Nice logic dud , you forgot that RS also give endurance for using it . He can swap legend after exhausting shiro as well to . But thats not my business really xD

    @DaShi.1368 said:
    I play power herald rev. And another one beat me! :angry:

    xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

  • Alatar.7364Alatar.7364 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 17, 2018

    @DaShi.1368 said:
    Rev has evade and cc on staff on one skill. Sword has a ton of evades and a no cd stun break/dodge. Then there are cc in Shiro and Glint. Staff also has another cc, but it has a very easy to meet condition before it becomes an AoE cc. It also has a teleport on sword 5 and the Shiro one.

    Sword has one interruptable evade skill, hardly a "ton".
    Shiro cc is one of the most telegraphed skills in the game and will cost Rev his entire fighting capabilities for next several seconds, no good Rev will ever use that unless super convenient scenario, only the Glint one is good.

    Good sneaky job mentioning staff CC twice, almost fell for it.

    ~ I Aear cân ven na mar

  • @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:
    Revenant has no acces to vigor unlike any class. So you'll have a slow endurance regeneration and less dodges than other classes. Besides dodges Revenant has 3 skills that can evade attacks. Staff 5 wich has a 20s CD. Shiro's Riposting Shadows wich uses 30 energy on use. Sword 3 wich 7-10 times bugs out and doesn't want to work properly(fix this anet).

    Anyone saying Revenant has a lot of evades are completely delusional and forget about Mesmers, Weavers and thiefs who have way more evades.

    So im delusional because rev actually can chain lots of evades? Nice logic dud , you forgot that RS also give endurance for using it . He can swap legend after exhausting shiro as well to . But thats not my business really xD

    If you think Revenant has the same amount of evades like Weaver, mesmer or thief do then yeah you're delusional. In order to even be close to chaining dodges you need to be in shiro, a very fragile stance with barely any healing. Any revenant in shiro can be easily killed.

  • @Mini Crinny.6190 said:
    I think we can say that according to 99% of the playerbase, every class needs a nerf so long as it's not the class they play

    Nope. Not revenants. They are too easy to munch as they are. I almost feel bad everytime I kill one. Almost.

  • @DaShi.1368 said:
    I play power herald rev. And another one beat me! :angry:

    sure you do.... not according to the statements you have been making. Unless when you say you play power rev, you mean you just made one yesterday and took into pvp for a couple matches,

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Snellibee.2761 said:

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:
    "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here.

    Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ?

    I didn't say the Rev was better because he killed him, it was clear from the post that OP doesn't know anything about Revenant and their kit and just got outskilled.
    Revenant does not have any high CC whatsoever. Evades neither. No instant teleport, he has 2 shadowsteps; One with 1200 range that has an animation and can be interrupted. One with 600 range that is instant. Rev has 2 unblockable attacks after using shiro's shadowstep and one unblockable attack with shiro's F2(barely good), but it has a high energy cost so you can't just spam it like op makes it look like they can. Revenant has CD on skills.

    So this is really a l2p issue here.

    I stopped to read at 'evades either' because they can chain lots of evades . Not long time ago Poosi was complaining about revs and been blown away from full to zero instant xD was hilarious to watch .
    Also no idea what op playing

    Revenant has no acces to vigor unlike any class. So you'll have a slow endurance regeneration and less dodges than other classes. Besides dodges Revenant has 3 skills that can evade attacks. Staff 5 wich has a 20s CD. Shiro's Riposting Shadows wich uses 30 energy on use. Sword 3 wich 7-10 times bugs out and doesn't want to work properly(fix this anet).

    Anyone saying Revenant has a lot of evades are completely delusional and forget about Mesmers, Weavers and thiefs who have way more evades.

    Also if a Revenant was supposed to chain Riposting Shadow he will be unable to attack for a long time as he would be without any energy to use offensive skills.

    Again, this is a l2p issue. OP got destroyed by someone he doesn't know how to play against and asks for nerfs after.

    Funny how you missed out the block on staff and that riposting shadows gives you half a dodge.

    You also forgot to mention how phase traverse and deathstrike can be used both offensively and defensively.

    Also LUL at complaining about weaver evades, sure it's annoying and objectively too much but a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    A couple of months ago, Revenant was heavily complained about to be the most useless profession in PvP. And now it needs a nerf?

    Ascalon Will Prevail!

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  • herrmartell.7109herrmartell.7109 Member ✭✭
    edited December 17, 2018

    @apharma.3741 said:

    a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better.

  • @apharma.3741 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:
    "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here.

    Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ?

    I didn't say the Rev was better because he killed him, it was clear from the post that OP doesn't know anything about Revenant and their kit and just got outskilled.
    Revenant does not have any high CC whatsoever. Evades neither. No instant teleport, he has 2 shadowsteps; One with 1200 range that has an animation and can be interrupted. One with 600 range that is instant. Rev has 2 unblockable attacks after using shiro's shadowstep and one unblockable attack with shiro's F2(barely good), but it has a high energy cost so you can't just spam it like op makes it look like they can. Revenant has CD on skills.

    So this is really a l2p issue here.

    I stopped to read at 'evades either' because they can chain lots of evades . Not long time ago Poosi was complaining about revs and been blown away from full to zero instant xD was hilarious to watch .
    Also no idea what op playing

    Revenant has no acces to vigor unlike any class. So you'll have a slow endurance regeneration and less dodges than other classes. Besides dodges Revenant has 3 skills that can evade attacks. Staff 5 wich has a 20s CD. Shiro's Riposting Shadows wich uses 30 energy on use. Sword 3 wich 7-10 times bugs out and doesn't want to work properly(fix this anet).

    Anyone saying Revenant has a lot of evades are completely delusional and forget about Mesmers, Weavers and thiefs who have way more evades.

    Also if a Revenant was supposed to chain Riposting Shadow he will be unable to attack for a long time as he would be without any energy to use offensive skills.

    Again, this is a l2p issue. OP got destroyed by someone he doesn't know how to play against and asks for nerfs after.

    Funny how you missed out the block on staff and that riposting shadows gives you half a dodge.

    You also forgot to mention how phase traverse and deathstrike can be used both offensively and defensively.

    Also LUL at complaining about weaver evades, sure it's annoying and objectively too much but a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    Reponding to him feeling like talkign to a wall tho :P

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better.

    You missed the point. It's OK I don't have high expectations of new players.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:
    "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here.

    Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ?

    I didn't say the Rev was better because he killed him, it was clear from the post that OP doesn't know anything about Revenant and their kit and just got outskilled.
    Revenant does not have any high CC whatsoever. Evades neither. No instant teleport, he has 2 shadowsteps; One with 1200 range that has an animation and can be interrupted. One with 600 range that is instant. Rev has 2 unblockable attacks after using shiro's shadowstep and one unblockable attack with shiro's F2(barely good), but it has a high energy cost so you can't just spam it like op makes it look like they can. Revenant has CD on skills.

    So this is really a l2p issue here.

    I stopped to read at 'evades either' because they can chain lots of evades . Not long time ago Poosi was complaining about revs and been blown away from full to zero instant xD was hilarious to watch .
    Also no idea what op playing

    Revenant has no acces to vigor unlike any class. So you'll have a slow endurance regeneration and less dodges than other classes. Besides dodges Revenant has 3 skills that can evade attacks. Staff 5 wich has a 20s CD. Shiro's Riposting Shadows wich uses 30 energy on use. Sword 3 wich 7-10 times bugs out and doesn't want to work properly(fix this anet).

    Anyone saying Revenant has a lot of evades are completely delusional and forget about Mesmers, Weavers and thiefs who have way more evades.

    Also if a Revenant was supposed to chain Riposting Shadow he will be unable to attack for a long time as he would be without any energy to use offensive skills.

    Again, this is a l2p issue. OP got destroyed by someone he doesn't know how to play against and asks for nerfs after.

    Funny how you missed out the block on staff and that riposting shadows gives you half a dodge.

    You also forgot to mention how phase traverse and deathstrike can be used both offensively and defensively.

    Also LUL at complaining about weaver evades, sure it's annoying and objectively too much but a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    Reponding to him feeling like talkign to a wall tho :P

    Well Rev damage in the current stupid damage meta isn't anything ridiculous for it's survivability but people shouldn't act like rev is weak, it's anything but weak.

  • @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better.

    You missed the point.

    I don't missed it. I just don't agree with it. See the difference?

    It's OK I don't have high expectations of new players.

    Been playing since 2014. Not that it matters. You still need to get better.

  • DaShi.1368DaShi.1368 Member ✭✭✭

    I was either going to go with this thread or "I lost a match against a team with no mesmers because I was so nervous about mesmers."

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better.

    You missed the point.

    I don't missed it. I just don't agree with it. See the difference?

    It's OK I don't have high expectations of new players.

    Been playing since 2014. Not that it matters. You still need to get better.

    No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

    I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

  • @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better.

    You missed the point.

    I don't missed it. I just don't agree with it. See the difference?

    It's OK I don't have high expectations of new players.

    Been playing since 2014. Not that it matters. You still need to get better.

    No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

    I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

    Weaver damage much higher than rev. Rev is not capable of that damage no matter how glassy. Rev also can not sustain like weaver, unless you are pure healing.

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better.

    You missed the point.

    I don't missed it. I just don't agree with it. See the difference?

    It's OK I don't have high expectations of new players.

    Been playing since 2014. Not that it matters. You still need to get better.

    No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

    I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

    Weaver damage much higher than rev. Rev is not capable of that damage no matter how glassy. Rev also can not sustain like weaver, unless you are pure healing.

    Yes how silly of me, I forgot about that weaver one shot from absolutely no where onto people with very little tells. Oh my I am burned, I will have to bathe in ointment for several days now.

  • Lincolnbeard.1735Lincolnbeard.1735 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2018

    Churning earth might be the most useless weapon skill on game. If you get hit by it something is wrong.
    Only thing worth it is the blast.

    The degenerate

  • idolin.2831idolin.2831 Member ✭✭✭

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better.

    You missed the point.

    I don't missed it. I just don't agree with it. See the difference?

    It's OK I don't have high expectations of new players.

    Been playing since 2014. Not that it matters. You still need to get better.

    No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

    I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

    Weaver damage much higher than rev. Rev is not capable of that damage no matter how glassy. Rev also can not sustain like weaver, unless you are pure healing.

    Hmm but weaver can't do both at the same time. As soon as people realize you're running a meme one-shot churning earth build you're get focused and will likely go down pretty easily. Rev can't deal that much damage in 1 shot, but it can still deal very decent burst damage (one of the best in the game even), and likely won't die as easily as the weaver running a one-shot build.

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better.

    You missed the point.

    I don't missed it. I just don't agree with it. See the difference?

    It's OK I don't have high expectations of new players.

    Been playing since 2014. Not that it matters. You still need to get better.

    No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

    I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

    Weaver damage much higher than rev. Rev is not capable of that damage no matter how glassy. Rev also can not sustain like weaver, unless you are pure healing.

    Why link a WvW vid in the spvp section?

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • I find it funny how some ppl are taking the OP literally.

    Te lazla otstra.

  • @apharma.3741 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:

    @tinyreborn.1938 said:

    @Snellibee.2761 said:
    "I died by someone who is better then me, better nerf the entire class." Is all I'm reading here.

    Implying if revenant killed you means he is better than you ... Ppl still delusional about it ?

    I didn't say the Rev was better because he killed him, it was clear from the post that OP doesn't know anything about Revenant and their kit and just got outskilled.
    Revenant does not have any high CC whatsoever. Evades neither. No instant teleport, he has 2 shadowsteps; One with 1200 range that has an animation and can be interrupted. One with 600 range that is instant. Rev has 2 unblockable attacks after using shiro's shadowstep and one unblockable attack with shiro's F2(barely good), but it has a high energy cost so you can't just spam it like op makes it look like they can. Revenant has CD on skills.

    So this is really a l2p issue here.

    I stopped to read at 'evades either' because they can chain lots of evades . Not long time ago Poosi was complaining about revs and been blown away from full to zero instant xD was hilarious to watch .
    Also no idea what op playing

    Revenant has no acces to vigor unlike any class. So you'll have a slow endurance regeneration and less dodges than other classes. Besides dodges Revenant has 3 skills that can evade attacks. Staff 5 wich has a 20s CD. Shiro's Riposting Shadows wich uses 30 energy on use. Sword 3 wich 7-10 times bugs out and doesn't want to work properly(fix this anet).

    Anyone saying Revenant has a lot of evades are completely delusional and forget about Mesmers, Weavers and thiefs who have way more evades.

    Also if a Revenant was supposed to chain Riposting Shadow he will be unable to attack for a long time as he would be without any energy to use offensive skills.

    Again, this is a l2p issue. OP got destroyed by someone he doesn't know how to play against and asks for nerfs after.

    Funny how you missed out the block on staff and that riposting shadows gives you half a dodge.

    You also forgot to mention how phase traverse and deathstrike can be used both offensively and defensively.

    Also LUL at complaining about weaver evades, sure it's annoying and objectively too much but a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    We were talking about evades, not blocks.
    Also I main Weaver so I'm not complaining about it, I'm just stating facts. Weaver scepter FA can do more burst damage than Revenant can.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @JayAction.9056 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    a weaver ain't going to 100-0 you in 1-2s.

    A revenant shouldn't either. Just go back to sPvP and get better.

    You missed the point.

    I don't missed it. I just don't agree with it. See the difference?

    It's OK I don't have high expectations of new players.

    Been playing since 2014. Not that it matters. You still need to get better.

    No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

    I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

    Weaver damage much higher than rev. Rev is not capable of that damage no matter how glassy. Rev also can not sustain like weaver, unless you are pure healing.

    Why link a WvW vid in the spvp section?

    I've been hit by an almost 28k churning earth in SPvP from a weaver while playing Mirage with Carrion Amulet. The 38k extremes in the video is likely impossible, but you don't need that to one shot most people.

    The Psychomancer: Mesmer Elite Specialization Suggestion

  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    rev..shiro/glint "can have a lot" of evades when they go defensive mode. seen it many times where they chained dodge rip shadows dodge rip shadows staff #5 another dodge swapping back to glint with full energy, all the time they are kiting away.

  • Axl.8924Axl.8924 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2018

    @Mini Crinny.6190 said:
    I think we can say that according to 99% of the playerbase, every class needs a nerf so long as it's not the class they play

    People would always rather cry nerf than learn how to counter stuff, been for a while.

    People have explained for instance about condi on mirage, and they still cry for it even though condi now is not as strong as it used to be because:

    A:Counters to condi
    B:Every condi build has been nerfed to the ground.

    And when you explain to someone that scourge has a counter, they ignore it and still cry nerf anyways, which happened months ago but people don't care, they just want to win regardless if its fair for the other side as well and fun.

    Here is my list of characters i got so far:

    Elementalist 80 with tempest:Talman nul
    Necromancer 80 with reaper:Zex vokar
    Mesmer level 80 no chrono yet:Klanga voosh.
    Level 80 Ranger with druid spec Jedkhan.

  • Dadnir.5038Dadnir.5038 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What was it already?
    "Rock is too strong, it break my scisor. Paper is fine thought."

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

    I dare you to point out which Revenant skill has a 1,500 range. I DARE YOU.

    These are the only ways a Revenant can close the gap between you and him:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Frigid_Blitz <= 900
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike <= 600
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Devour_Brand <= 1200 (and this one only works underwater)

    Now, let's check a Revenant's ranged skills:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shattershot <= 900 An example of Renegade's range
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hammer_Bolt <= 1200 You can't die vs a Revenant's hammer unless you are sucidal

    None of these skills are hard hitters, and none can be spammed. The joke's on you.

    I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

    LOL you just keep making a fool out of yourself.

    OK.

    So as others have pointed out Phase Traversal -> Deathstrike is 1800 but a realistic estimate is 1500 and phase traversal grants quickness so you'll get that damage as a +1 from deathstrike most of the time especially when done from such a range if the person doesn't see you. Lets count the skill coefficients:

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike 0.3
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike_(second_skill) 2.0
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Precision_Strike 0.49 x3
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shackling_Wave 2.25 (note cast time increased to just under 1s so more counter to the follow up after DS, quickness makes it about 0.6s)
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unrelenting_Assault 0.57 (I think this is per strike so x5 for 2.8)

    So the best thing to do is PT -> DS -> DS 2nd hit -> Precision Strike for a total of 3.8 in skill coefficients. If instead you used Unrelenting Assault you'd get 5.1, Shackling Wave you'd get 4.5 hence the cast increase we saw in the patch.

    What about weaver though?
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Plasma_Beam 2.2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Electric_Discharge 0.25 x2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lightning_Strike 1.2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Blast 1.4

    So clearly if we use all these skill we get a total coefficient of 5.1 FA weaver is the clear winner in burst...but it has to be within 900 range to do it while the rev can be much further away however in range ele can burst slightly faster than the rev depending on which skills rev uses, ele takes about 1.25s while the rev takes 1.5-2s depending on quickness. Ele would have to burn LF do close this gap and is unlikely to do so especially if they wish to use it as part of burst which would be completely unnecessary and a fools move when they're rocking 5.1 in total coefficients.

    That's not the whole picture though, rev can stack as many damage bonuses as ele while getting to and maintaining 25 might which gives 50% more power damage and near 100% crit chance. This gives an exceptionally high amount of damage over weaver especially using burst of strength before hand which would push the damage into competitive levels with a weaver easily. Also ele's follow up is complete garbage while rev maintains high pressure in a +1 role while having the tools to survive if needed.

    That's just on paper, the reality is Rev has vastly outperformed weaver for +1 for a long time now hence why you barely see FA weavers and see revs far more often.

    Rev needs a nerf but so does every class nearly, everything has been dialled up to 11 with HoT then PoF took this even further.

  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2018

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

    I dare you to point out which Revenant skill has a 1,500 range. I DARE YOU.

    These are the only ways a Revenant can close the gap between you and him:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Frigid_Blitz <= 900
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike <= 600
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Devour_Brand <= 1200 (and this one only works underwater)

    Now, let's check a Revenant's ranged skills:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shattershot <= 900 An example of Renegade's range
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hammer_Bolt <= 1200 You can't die vs a Revenant's hammer unless you are sucidal

    None of these skills are hard hitters, and none can be spammed. The joke's on you.

    I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

    LOL you just keep making a fool out of yourself.

    OK.

    So as others have pointed out Phase Traversal -> Deathstrike is 1800 but a realistic estimate is 1500 and phase traversal grants quickness so you'll get that damage as a +1 from deathstrike most of the time especially when done from such a range if the person doesn't see you. Lets count the skill coefficients:

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike 0.3
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike_(second_skill) 2.0
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Precision_Strike 0.49 x3
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shackling_Wave 2.25 (note cast time increased to just under 1s so more counter to the follow up after DS, quickness makes it about 0.6s)
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unrelenting_Assault 0.57 (I think this is per strike so x5 for 2.8)

    So the best thing to do is PT -> DS -> DS 2nd hit -> Precision Strike for a total of 3.8 in skill coefficients. If instead you used Unrelenting Assault you'd get 5.1, Shackling Wave you'd get 4.5 hence the cast increase we saw in the patch.

    What about weaver though?
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Plasma_Beam 2.2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Electric_Discharge 0.25 x2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lightning_Strike 1.2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Blast 1.4

    So clearly if we use all these skill we get a total coefficient of 5.1 FA weaver is the clear winner in burst...but it has to be within 900 range to do it while the rev can be much further away however in range ele can burst slightly faster than the rev depending on which skills rev uses, ele takes about 1.25s while the rev takes 1.5-2s depending on quickness. Ele would have to burn LF do close this gap and is unlikely to do so especially if they wish to use it as part of burst which would be completely unnecessary and a fools move when they're rocking 5.1 in total coefficients.

    That's not the whole picture though, rev can stack as many damage bonuses as ele while getting to and maintaining 25 might which gives 50% more power damage and near 100% crit chance. This gives an exceptionally high amount of damage over weaver especially using burst of strength before hand which would push the damage into competitive levels with a weaver easily. Also ele's follow up is complete garbage while rev maintains high pressure in a +1 role while having the tools to survive if needed.

    That's just on paper, the reality is Rev has vastly outperformed weaver for +1 for a long time now hence why you barely see FA weavers and see revs far more often.

    Rev needs a nerf but so does every class nearly, everything has been dialled up to 11 with HoT then PoF took this even further.

    Edit: Actually scratch all of that.
    I didn't realize energy regen was so fast
    You right

    Tingle my stingleberry

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2018

    just few minutes ago; i was hit with 10k+ with this skill https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Phase_Smash This skill has a 1¼ recharge. I suggest Anet to reduce its effects and increase its charges.

    I rarely address other professions of being broken besides the mains but Anet seriously need to take a closer look at Rev including spellbreaker. Anet please check my log.

    ( I do applause Anet of addressing and minimizing 1 shotting )

  • apharma.3741apharma.3741 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

    I dare you to point out which Revenant skill has a 1,500 range. I DARE YOU.

    These are the only ways a Revenant can close the gap between you and him:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Frigid_Blitz <= 900
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike <= 600
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Devour_Brand <= 1200 (and this one only works underwater)

    Now, let's check a Revenant's ranged skills:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shattershot <= 900 An example of Renegade's range
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hammer_Bolt <= 1200 You can't die vs a Revenant's hammer unless you are sucidal

    None of these skills are hard hitters, and none can be spammed. The joke's on you.

    I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

    LOL you just keep making a fool out of yourself.

    OK.

    So as others have pointed out Phase Traversal -> Deathstrike is 1800 but a realistic estimate is 1500 and phase traversal grants quickness so you'll get that damage as a +1 from deathstrike most of the time especially when done from such a range if the person doesn't see you. Lets count the skill coefficients:

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike 0.3
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike_(second_skill) 2.0
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Precision_Strike 0.49 x3
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shackling_Wave 2.25 (note cast time increased to just under 1s so more counter to the follow up after DS, quickness makes it about 0.6s)
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unrelenting_Assault 0.57 (I think this is per strike so x5 for 2.8)

    So the best thing to do is PT -> DS -> DS 2nd hit -> Precision Strike for a total of 3.8 in skill coefficients. If instead you used Unrelenting Assault you'd get 5.1, Shackling Wave you'd get 4.5 hence the cast increase we saw in the patch.

    What about weaver though?
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Plasma_Beam 2.2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Electric_Discharge 0.25 x2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lightning_Strike 1.2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Blast 1.4

    So clearly if we use all these skill we get a total coefficient of 5.1 FA weaver is the clear winner in burst...but it has to be within 900 range to do it while the rev can be much further away however in range ele can burst slightly faster than the rev depending on which skills rev uses, ele takes about 1.25s while the rev takes 1.5-2s depending on quickness. Ele would have to burn LF do close this gap and is unlikely to do so especially if they wish to use it as part of burst which would be completely unnecessary and a fools move when they're rocking 5.1 in total coefficients.

    That's not the whole picture though, rev can stack as many damage bonuses as ele while getting to and maintaining 25 might which gives 50% more power damage and near 100% crit chance. This gives an exceptionally high amount of damage over weaver especially using burst of strength before hand which would push the damage into competitive levels with a weaver easily. Also ele's follow up is complete garbage while rev maintains high pressure in a +1 role while having the tools to survive if needed.

    That's just on paper, the reality is Rev has vastly outperformed weaver for +1 for a long time now hence why you barely see FA weavers and see revs far more often.

    Rev needs a nerf but so does every class nearly, everything has been dialled up to 11 with HoT then PoF took this even further.

    It's actually not slightly faster. An Ele burst Much faster than a rev-

    After Phase Traversal and shackling wave you will have used 45 energy- on a fresh engage that means you then have to switch legends, then continue, then hope you aren't counter bursted, as rev doesn't have the sustain once those skills you listed are used.
    Like we have to factor in energy for everything a rev does as well. Just listing skills doesn't do any justice as they ( revenants) have to be actively managing resources.

    True but you also have to factor in time taken to get to the +1 if they start at the same point, if you PT, DS you've used 45 energy for the +1 but you got there much faster than the ele. If you just use PT + Shackling Wave you covered less distance but you also immob the person which is going to help with follow up but is a slower combo even with quickness. If you PT+Precision strike you retain much more energy but it does less damage.

    There's a ton of variables and as you say energy needs to be accounted for as well which is why I only listed 2 skill combos when adding rev coefficients as they can really only use 2 then legend swap and precision strike after that because of it's low cost. That's without mentioning did they use burst of strength and switch to shiro? How much might do they have? Those will affect survivability and damage considerably.

    Either way if focused a FA weaver will go down much faster than a rev if they're using arcane blast. If the weaver doesn't use arcane blast (uses arcane shield) the damage from FA weaver is lowered a lot but can get more survivability however at that point rev would burst better no matter the combo. This is why I said that in reality people are and have been using rev instead of FA weaver for a long time now, it's rare enough to see ele's let alone a FA weaver.

  • is it even possible to get defeated by a rev in 1v1 .....all skills are pretty obvious....its when they plus 1 that you actually die.

  • Why is it, in all MMO's, one player dies because they couldn't counter somebody, one player from millions and they call for an entire class to be nerfed? Why are games supposed to be easy peasy in 2018? Quit asking to Nerf everything you personally don't play and/or like fighting against.

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2018

    @Hugheszie.6291 said:
    Why is it, in all MMO's, one player dies because they couldn't counter somebody, one player from millions and they call for an entire class to be nerfed? Why are games supposed to be easy peasy in 2018? Quit asking to Nerf everything you personally don't play and/or like fighting against.

    'If one team or player starts with an obviously-better position than others, or possesses a wild card or special ability/abilities that guarantees them a win, then the game is unfair.'

    It is not about being easy or winning or even about who play or like what profession or not

    The matter are in Giving The Advantage and In Guarantee Of Winning

    That is why we point out those matters to Anet to finally do something about it!!

  • TheQuickFox.3826TheQuickFox.3826 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dadnir.5038 said:
    What was it already?
    "Rock is too strong, it break my scisor. Paper is fine thought."

    *Cuts another piece of paper.

    Yes, paper is perfectly fine.

    Ascalon Will Prevail!

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  • Solori.6025Solori.6025 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @Solori.6025 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:

    @herrmartell.7109 said:

    @apharma.3741 said:
    No you did miss the point, a weaver cannot 100-0 you in 1-2s except on scepter and you'll see it coming as it has poor blinking abilities. A rev can blink on you and 100-0 you from 1500 range.

    I dare you to point out which Revenant skill has a 1,500 range. I DARE YOU.

    These are the only ways a Revenant can close the gap between you and him:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Frigid_Blitz <= 900
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike <= 600
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Devour_Brand <= 1200 (and this one only works underwater)

    Now, let's check a Revenant's ranged skills:
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shattershot <= 900 An example of Renegade's range
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hammer_Bolt <= 1200 You can't die vs a Revenant's hammer unless you are sucidal

    None of these skills are hard hitters, and none can be spammed. The joke's on you.

    I wouldn't admit to being here since 2014 if you don't understand the difference between a rev 100-0 and a weaver 100-0.

    LOL you just keep making a fool out of yourself.

    OK.

    So as others have pointed out Phase Traversal -> Deathstrike is 1800 but a realistic estimate is 1500 and phase traversal grants quickness so you'll get that damage as a +1 from deathstrike most of the time especially when done from such a range if the person doesn't see you. Lets count the skill coefficients:

    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike 0.3
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Deathstrike_(second_skill) 2.0
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Precision_Strike 0.49 x3
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shackling_Wave 2.25 (note cast time increased to just under 1s so more counter to the follow up after DS, quickness makes it about 0.6s)
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Unrelenting_Assault 0.57 (I think this is per strike so x5 for 2.8)

    So the best thing to do is PT -> DS -> DS 2nd hit -> Precision Strike for a total of 3.8 in skill coefficients. If instead you used Unrelenting Assault you'd get 5.1, Shackling Wave you'd get 4.5 hence the cast increase we saw in the patch.

    What about weaver though?
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Plasma_Beam 2.2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Electric_Discharge 0.25 x2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lightning_Strike 1.2
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Arcane_Blast 1.4

    So clearly if we use all these skill we get a total coefficient of 5.1 FA weaver is the clear winner in burst...but it has to be within 900 range to do it while the rev can be much further away however in range ele can burst slightly faster than the rev depending on which skills rev uses, ele takes about 1.25s while the rev takes 1.5-2s depending on quickness. Ele would have to burn LF do close this gap and is unlikely to do so especially if they wish to use it as part of burst which would be completely unnecessary and a fools move when they're rocking 5.1 in total coefficients.

    That's not the whole picture though, rev can stack as many damage bonuses as ele while getting to and maintaining 25 might which gives 50% more power damage and near 100% crit chance. This gives an exceptionally high amount of damage over weaver especially using burst of strength before hand which would push the damage into competitive levels with a weaver easily. Also ele's follow up is complete garbage while rev maintains high pressure in a +1 role while having the tools to survive if needed.

    That's just on paper, the reality is Rev has vastly outperformed weaver for +1 for a long time now hence why you barely see FA weavers and see revs far more often.

    Rev needs a nerf but so does every class nearly, everything has been dialled up to 11 with HoT then PoF took this even further.

    It's actually not slightly faster. An Ele burst Much faster than a rev-

    After Phase Traversal and shackling wave you will have used 45 energy- on a fresh engage that means you then have to switch legends, then continue, then hope you aren't counter bursted, as rev doesn't have the sustain once those skills you listed are used.
    Like we have to factor in energy for everything a rev does as well. Just listing skills doesn't do any justice as they ( revenants) have to be actively managing resources.

    True but you also have to factor in time taken to get to the +1 if they start at the same point, if you PT, DS you've used 45 energy for the +1 but you got there much faster than the ele. If you just use PT + Shackling Wave you covered less distance but you also immob the person which is going to help with follow up but is a slower combo even with quickness. If you PT+Precision strike you retain much more energy but it does less damage.

    There's a ton of variables and as you say energy needs to be accounted for as well which is why I only listed 2 skill combos when adding rev coefficients as they can really only use 2 then legend swap and precision strike after that because of it's low cost. That's without mentioning did they use burst of strength and switch to shiro? How much might do they have? Those will affect survivability and damage considerably.

    Either way if focused a FA weaver will go down much faster than a rev if they're using arcane blast. If the weaver doesn't use arcane blast (uses arcane shield) the damage from FA weaver is lowered a lot but can get more survivability however at that point rev would burst better no matter the combo. This is why I said that in reality people are and have been using rev instead of FA weaver for a long time now, it's rare enough to see ele's let alone a FA weaver.

    YEa I went in on my rev again. I thought energy regen was much slower than it actually is.
    It's quite possible to PT-DS- then follow up with any other 10 cost skill as you should have about 20 ish energy from the regen that kicks in from combat.
    Also-
    Don't get the wrong idea I am in no way defending rev damage- I'm still salty from the power mirage nerfs ^_^
    I would be more than happy for EVERY POWER BUILD to be as useful as the one I currently enjoy

    Tingle my stingleberry

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