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Feedback on Pharus [Merged]

Hawkerace.6320Hawkerace.6320 Member
edited January 10, 2019 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

I can't be the only one that thinks this new legendary longbow lacks the 'legendary' aspect to it. After making it, I felt like I wasted all that time farming for some gem store skin.

Before I go on ranting and get off track. I think this longbow needs to get back to the drawing board and redesigned a bit. It's not legendary worthy. And for the time and material cost, it's no where near worth it. The design is basic and I feel like there wasn't much effort put into it.

Kudzu has been out for years and still beats it hands down.

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  • intox.6347intox.6347 Member ✭✭✭

    @AzureTerra.1642 said:
    Nice smooth lines and clean effects make a good looking weapon. Most of the legendary are way to OTT

    If you want something smooth and clean... use another 60+ longbow skins.... legendary must be above all LB skins... precious... like incenerator dagger (new dagger is also kitten and you see them just few ...)

    This LB skill is just cheap looking gem skin with some added shine effect.

    Dissapointed, and im saying it as player.... also as senior graphic designer.

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  • I don't dislike the design, but I would agree that it is pretty similar to the chaos longbow, I love the chaos skins, but I think a legendary should be super unique.

  • intox.6347intox.6347 Member ✭✭✭

    @InvaGir.9158 said:

    @intox.6347 said:

    @AzureTerra.1642 said:
    Nice smooth lines and clean effects make a good looking weapon. Most of the legendary are way to OTT

    If you want something smooth and clean... use another 60+ longbow skins.... legendary must be above all LB skins... precious... like incenerator dagger (new dagger is also kitten and you see them just few ...)

    This LB skill is just cheap looking gem skin with some added shine effect.

    Dissapointed, and im saying it as player.... also as senior graphic designer.

    You being graphic designer doesn't mean anything, someone said its art and its a very subjective matter and they're right.
    It doesn't mean your opinion is more superior than others!

    Some people like it and I think its a great legendary but its not my taste so I will waste my resources on something else I like.
    You also have another option you can always craft the first generation LB or get another skin.

    Ok we can take it from another side.
    That statetment about me being graphic designer, is about... art is my work, i sell things only if they look good, if it looks good for some minority but not for targeted group, im doing my work wrong.
    It aplies same here.... nice gem skin is sold more than "ugly" one ...
    But legendary is another type.... u dont have too much to choose... 2 legendaries to pick skin, yes some are both nice... scepter, sword.... but how many ppl did you saw with 2nd gen legendary rifle, dagger, hammer .... not much. Ppl dont like it that much. Its like Fiat Multipla, its not nice car... still it have some followers.
    Old LB is too flowery to take it serious, and this one is too blend to spend 2500 gold for it.

    And i get difference between subjective and objective.... but once major group take same subjective view on situation, it become objective.

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  • InvaGir.9158InvaGir.9158 Member ✭✭✭

    @intox.6347 said:

    @InvaGir.9158 said:

    @intox.6347 said:

    @AzureTerra.1642 said:
    Nice smooth lines and clean effects make a good looking weapon. Most of the legendary are way to OTT

    If you want something smooth and clean... use another 60+ longbow skins.... legendary must be above all LB skins... precious... like incenerator dagger (new dagger is also kitten and you see them just few ...)

    This LB skill is just cheap looking gem skin with some added shine effect.

    Dissapointed, and im saying it as player.... also as senior graphic designer.

    You being graphic designer doesn't mean anything, someone said its art and its a very subjective matter and they're right.
    It doesn't mean your opinion is more superior than others!

    Some people like it and I think its a great legendary but its not my taste so I will waste my resources on something else I like.
    You also have another option you can always craft the first generation LB or get another skin.

    Ok we can take it from another side.
    That statetment about me being graphic designer, is about... art is my work, i sell things only if they look good, if it looks good for some minority but not for targeted group, im doing my work wrong.
    It aplies same here.... nice gem skin is sold more than "ugly" one ...
    But legendary is another type.... u dont have too much to choose... 2 legendaries to pick skin, yes some are both nice... scepter, sword.... but how many ppl did you saw with 2nd gen legendary rifle, dagger, hammer .... not much. Ppl dont like it that much. Its like Fiat Multipla, its not nice car... still it have some followers.
    Old LB is too flowery to take it serious, and this one is too blend to spend 2500 gold for it.

    And i get difference between subjective and objective.... but once major group take same subjective view on situation, it become objective.

    Its totally fine and its your opinion
    I only replied to your comment only because of your statement of being a "Graphic Designer" I thought you were trying to imply the devs were in the wrong and to me it sounds selfish.

    I don't like the new LB Legendary too, Although I find the drawing animation quite epic and the projectiles and sounds are satisfying.
    Yet its too simple for me so I will not get it.
    However if people love it why not I will not go against it :3

  • Sonam.3281Sonam.3281 Member ✭✭

    @InvaGir.9158 said:

    You being graphic designer doesn't mean anything, someone said its art and its a very subjective matter and they're right.
    It doesn't mean your opinion is more superior than others!

    It means that he knows better than you if this is a ''cheap'' work or no ... so simple.
    And i dont believe that the majority are satisfied with this for Legendary Longbow (especially when the alternative is kudzu)

  • Miellyn.6847Miellyn.6847 Member ✭✭✭

    @intox.6347 said:

    @InvaGir.9158 said:

    @intox.6347 said:

    @AzureTerra.1642 said:
    Nice smooth lines and clean effects make a good looking weapon. Most of the legendary are way to OTT

    If you want something smooth and clean... use another 60+ longbow skins.... legendary must be above all LB skins... precious... like incenerator dagger (new dagger is also kitten and you see them just few ...)

    This LB skill is just cheap looking gem skin with some added shine effect.

    Dissapointed, and im saying it as player.... also as senior graphic designer.

    You being graphic designer doesn't mean anything, someone said its art and its a very subjective matter and they're right.
    It doesn't mean your opinion is more superior than others!

    Some people like it and I think its a great legendary but its not my taste so I will waste my resources on something else I like.
    You also have another option you can always craft the first generation LB or get another skin.

    Ok we can take it from another side.
    That statetment about me being graphic designer, is about... art is my work, i sell things only if they look good, if it looks good for some minority but not for targeted group, im doing my work wrong.
    It aplies same here.... nice gem skin is sold more than "ugly" one ...
    But legendary is another type.... u dont have too much to choose... 2 legendaries to pick skin, yes some are both nice... scepter, sword.... but how many ppl did you saw with 2nd gen legendary rifle, dagger, hammer .... not much. Ppl dont like it that much. Its like Fiat Multipla, its not nice car... still it have some followers.
    Old LB is too flowery to take it serious, and this one is too blend to spend 2500 gold for it.

    And i get difference between subjective and objective.... but once major group take same subjective view on situation, it become objective.

    Hammer is one of the least used weapons. The gen2 hammer is really pretty but as you don't use hammers often you won't see it. I don't see that many rifles either.
    And you are not the majority. The resonance to this bow is rather positive.

  • I wanted a legendery bow without glow or silly stuff not this chaos bow2.0 but thats my opinion

  • @sevenDEADLY.5281 said:
    Your completely subjective opinion on the appearance of something being given as hard evidence something needs to be redesigned because you personally don't like it. Did I get that right?

    This sums up a good portion of the playerbase.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @AzureTerra.1642 said:
    Nice smooth lines and clean effects make a good looking weapon. Most of the legendary are way to OTT

    Kinda agree, which is why none of the legendary weapons appeal to me. This new bow is actually something I think I would enjoy, if only I currently played a profession that made use of a LB.

  • AzureTerra.1642AzureTerra.1642 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    @intox.6347 said:

    @AzureTerra.1642 said:
    Nice smooth lines and clean effects make a good looking weapon. Most of the legendary are way to OTT

    If you want something smooth and clean... use another 60+ longbow skins.... legendary must be above all LB skins... precious... like incenerator dagger (new dagger is also kitten and you see them just few ...)

    This LB skill is just cheap looking gem skin with some added shine effect.

    Dissapointed, and im saying it as player.... also as senior graphic designer.

    Being above meaning looking tacky as heck for most of the weapons. If i were a player who used longbows i'd be disappointed that an highly invasive weed was the only thing i had on offer. What is needed for all of them is the way to turn the effects off on your own side so you don't have to put up with things like the obnoxious pony short bow and its effects.

  • Jumpin Lumpix.6108Jumpin Lumpix.6108 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    @Hawkerace.6320 said:
    I can't be the only one that thinks this new legendary longbow lacks the 'legendary' aspect to it. After making it, I felt like I wasted all that time farming for some gem store skin.

    Before I go on ranting and get off track. I think this longbow needs to get back to the drawing board and redesigned a bit. It's not legendary worthy. And for the time and material cost, it's no where near worth it. The design is basic and I feel like there wasn't much effort put into it.

    Kudzu has been out for years and still beats it hands down.

    Sadly they never change any skin after it's been implemented unless its projectile effects or auras, maybe sound effects.

    The longbow looks like something from star wars. Which eh...... I like particle effects and footfalls but the skin itself is meh, and hard to match unless you have a silver and white character. That also has a blue aura? Lol good luck.

  • Funky.4861Funky.4861 Member ✭✭✭

    If a legendary weapon is supposed to stand out from others of its' type, Pharus fails. That's why i made The Moot instead of Eureka (looks just like the Deimos mace only with more effects and colour). Even Frostfang and Rodgort are more unique than Pharus...

  • @sevenDEADLY.5281 said:
    Your completely subjective opinion on the appearance of something being given as hard evidence something needs to be redesigned because you personally don't like it. Did I get that right?

    It's not just my opinion. A lot of players are complaining it looks similar to the chaos longbow skin (which it does). Others like myself, feel that for a legendary it's too basic looking with a simple design and it doesn't carry that 'legendary' feel to it when compared to the other gen2 weapons such as Chuka, Nevermore, Khan'ur...

  • Kal Spiro.9745Kal Spiro.9745 Member ✭✭✭

    I find this to be a very appealing skin, and sufficiently appealing for a Legendary. However, I don't find it sufficiently appealing to go to the trouble of getting another Gift of Battle. Ipos and Verderact are much more interesting to me and where my resources are going first

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  • Loosmaster.8263Loosmaster.8263 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I was looking forward to this one until I saw the required Amalgamated Gemstone. Oh well, back to farming other mats to sell...

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  • Hello,

    I like the update but the skin of the legendary bow is super cheap. Its the chaos bow with Some light footsteps.

    Please pimp that bow. The first gen i also didnt like. The short bow was awesome. Please make iT møre attractive for is to craft iT.

    What you Guys think of the new bow?

  • Dace.8173Dace.8173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Hawkerace.6320 said:
    I can't be the only one that thinks this new legendary longbow lacks the 'legendary' aspect to it. After making it, I felt like I wasted all that time farming for some gem store skin.

    Before I go on ranting and get off track. I think this longbow needs to get back to the drawing board and redesigned a bit. It's not legendary worthy. And for the time and material cost, it's no where near worth it. The design is basic and I feel like there wasn't much effort put into it.

    Kudzu has been out for years and still beats it hands down.

    I find it unlikely that the are going to do a complete redesign or even a redesign. That would set a bad precedent. I think Twilight/Sunrise/Eternity look like cheap cardboard cutouts but that doesn't mean they will change it. In that regard, I would argue that more work went into making Pharus. I wouldn't even consider them basic but more or less uninspired and nowhere near worth having to make two weapons to get a third.

    The thing about Legendaries, though, is that there are enough in the game right now that you are likely to find one that appeals to you. No one has to build to Pharus. I personally find the look of it amazing and definitely better looking than our current greatswords, which are just rectangle slabs with dark or light colors. However, I would never argue that they need to change the greatsword because some folks like it and they have every right to it. There are people who like Pharus and they have every right to it.

    Also, Kudzu looks awful too.

    @intox.6347 said:

    @AzureTerra.1642 said:
    Nice smooth lines and clean effects make a good looking weapon. Most of the legendary are way to OTT

    If you want something smooth and clean... use another 60+ longbow skins.... legendary must be above all LB skins... precious... like incenerator dagger (new dagger is also kitten and you see them just few ...)

    This LB skill is just cheap looking gem skin with some added shine effect.

    Dissapointed, and im saying it as player.... also as senior graphic designer.

    No, I'd have to say it looks better than a Gem store skin. Also, the number of people who make it isn't a good judge. Incinerator has been out longer than Claw of Khan-Ur so it will naturally have more people using it. I would also argue that Claw is a bit more creative in its approach. All things considered, from a pure graphical argument the greatswords look closer to Gem store knock-offs than this. Again, rectangular cardboard cutouts.

    Not sure why folks gotta be hatting on Pharus. There are a lot of other Legendaries for people to have. I can promise you there was no way that they were going to make a new Legendary and its appeal to everyone. I imagine when they release the new greatsword it will have its detractors.

    @intox.6347 said:
    Ok we can take it from another side.
    That statetment about me being graphic designer, is about... art is my work, i sell things only if they look good, if it looks good for some minority but not for targeted group, im doing my work wrong.

    There is no way for you to support the idea that only a minority of people like the new Legendary while a majority hate it. So this means your argument from the position of graphic designer doesn't hold much weight here.

    Worth noting that you could hire two different graphic designers and get two radically different opinions on what constitutes good.

    But legendary is another type.... u dont have too much to choose... 2 legendaries to pick skin, yes some are both nice... scepter, sword.... but how many ppl did you saw with 2nd gen legendary rifle, dagger, hammer .... not much. Ppl dont like it that much.

    That doesn't tell us much. The 1st gens are older and as such you will see more of them in the game. There is also the fact that the 1st gens let you skip steps and the 2nd gens don't. If I want to I can go into the game right now and buy a bunch of 1st gen Legendaries from the TP. Can't do that with 2nd gen. I can also go in and buy the precursors and just complete the last step. Can't do that with 2nd gen. I can also get the precursors as random loot drops or from the Mystic Forge unlike the 2nd gens. It is also the case that 2nd gens require more work. The 1st gens, for the most part, require three collections. Most of the 2nd gens require four.

    Which pretty much means there are a lot of factors at play here that can lead to a lower output for 2nd gen. Based on all the factors I listed above I would wager it is far more likely that the issue is one of them and not the fact that people don't like them. I love the look of H.O.P.E.. However, I am likely to finish the Predator first due to the fact that it is easier. I like the look of the Shinning Blade. Still likely to do Bolt first since I got Zap from the Mystic Forge. I think Xiuquatl looks amazing but I recently pulled Storm from the Mystic Forge. So overall the 1st gen Legendaries are just easier to get.

    And i get difference between subjective and objective.... but once major group take same subjective view on situation, it become objective.

    That's not how objectivity works. Like at all. If the majority of people got together and decided a certain ethnic or racial group was inferior to them would you honestly consider that an objective viewpoint? Objectivity isn't about a bunch of people all agreeing on something. If that was the case the world would be flat. You also really can't claim the majority here. The forum is a bad measure of who has the majority in any given discussion.

    @Sonam.3281 said:

    @InvaGir.9158 said:

    You being graphic designer doesn't mean anything, someone said its art and its a very subjective matter and they're right.
    It doesn't mean your opinion is more superior than others!

    It means that he knows better than you if this is a ''cheap'' work or no ... so simple.
    And i dont believe that the majority are satisfied with this for Legendary Longbow (especially when the alternative is kudzu)

    One really can't say that the majority of people like or dislike it. We simply lack the necessary information to make such judgment call.

    @Funky.4861 said:
    If a legendary weapon is supposed to stand out from others of its' type, Pharus fails. That's why i made The Moot instead of Eureka (looks just like the Deimos mace only with more effects and colour). Even Frostfang and Rodgort are more unique than Pharus...

    I like Moot because it reminds me of disco. Disco is life.

    @Hawkerace.6320 said:

    @sevenDEADLY.5281 said:
    Your completely subjective opinion on the appearance of something being given as hard evidence something needs to be redesigned because you personally don't like it. Did I get that right?

    It's not just my opinion. A lot of players are complaining it looks similar to the chaos longbow skin (which it does). Others like myself, feel that for a legendary it's too basic looking with a simple design and it doesn't carry that 'legendary' feel to it when compared to the other gen2 weapons such as Chuka, Nevermore, Khan'ur...

    The fact that "a lot of players" are complaining doesn't make it any less of an opinion. This isn't how opinion and facts work (or subjective and objective for that matter). There are people, for whom, this Legendary is fine. Just like there are people, for whom, the great sword Tarantino trinity set looks amazing.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Pharus is pretty cool. Between the amazing draw animation, the intricate detailing when you get a close look at it, the projectile animations, and the awesome critical strike animation where it calls down a pillar of light on an enemy I'm personally very happy with my decision to make it. It's a bit narrow in it's appeal, similar to Kudzu. Kudzu looks out of place on anything that isn't a super flowery looking sylvari, maybe human. Pharus looks only looks good with deliberately very paladin looking characters. It's not like Shining Blade or Chuka where you can just slap it on anything and it'll look good. Really my one complaint is that there's a bug that makes the bowstring disappear frequently.





    Seriously look at how high up the crit animation goes it's litearlly out of this world. I think it goes maximum the up.

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  • Pterikdactyl.7630Pterikdactyl.7630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Pharus is pretty cool. Between the amazing draw animation, the intricate detailing when you get a close look at it, the projectile animations, and the awesome critical strike animation where it calls down a pillar of light on an enemy I'm personally very happy with my decision to make it. It's a bit narrow in it's appeal, similar to Kudzu. Kudzu looks out of place on anything that isn't a super flowery looking sylvari, maybe human. Pharus looks only looks good with deliberately very paladin looking characters. It's not like Shining Blade or Chuka where you can just slap it on anything and it'll look good. Really my one complaint is that there's a bug that makes the bowstring disappear frequently.





    Seriously look at how high up the crit animation goes it's litearlly out of this world. I think it goes maximum the up.

    Nice screenshots. Reminds me of Moonfire from WoW, lol

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think it's fine. Not overly legendary, but I'm no longer sure what that even means given some of the skins in the set. My only disappointment is the colour since it doesn't match my ranger.

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  • Tiviana.2650Tiviana.2650 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    I love the bow my only thought is this, i think longbow 5 should also have the animation of the other shots. Not everything has to be ostentatious in design in order to capture the eye . Its an elegant bow and i want it.

  • Zalani.9827Zalani.9827 Member ✭✭✭

    I mean it really comes down to personal taste with legendaries. Like I adore Kudzu and use it a lot on my Ranger but there is still people who call it ugly somehow. Phalus isn’t my style but it works as a simple legendary or one for guardians/Paladin themes.

    It’s good to have a variety of legendaries for different tastes, not all of them need to have a lot of visual noise as long as they get cool effects.

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  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    I think it's fine. Not overly legendary, but I'm no longer sure what that even means given some of the skins in the set. My only disappointment is the colour since it doesn't match my ranger.

    If only it was gold, or black or orangey red! My hunt continues...

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  • Cyninja.2954Cyninja.2954 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I wonder how the development process for Pharus went:

    Dev A: Okay need to come up with some stuff for a legendary longbow. I know, Kudzu works great with a nature theme, let's pick something which works with one of the other classes that can use longbows and fits thematically into the story.
    Dev B: Sounds cool, so basically a modified chaos weapon?
    Dev A: Yes, but you know how we started doing all these transformation effects on armor? I'm going to add that too and make the bow change shape while drawn.
    Dev B: Sweet, I bet guardians in heavy legendary armor will enjoy this. Good Luck.
    Dev A: Oh but I'm not done. I'm going to add a huge pillar of light to when the weapon is drawn so people notice that a legendary weapon is drawn, something almost no other legendary weapon has.
    Dev B: Okay, we might have to add graphical settings down the road to let people actually be able to see the screen. 1 effect should be fine though. How long will this take you?
    Dev A: Hey, I'm not done yet, I'm going to change the basic firing animation too so that players shoot bolts of pure light energy.
    Dev B: Okay, but at least let people be able to see the screen when a ranger uses Barrage, we need to get back to visual noise at some point. So nothing more on the visual side please.
    Dev A: No don't worry, only the custom sound for the shoots to make the weapon sound epic but not to annoying, we don't want a second quip on our hands. Might have to come in on saturday but it will be worth it. (Dev A goes off to work)
    Dev B: Wait, wasn't this saturday your wedding anniversary? Well at least the players will be happy.
    ...........
    Player 95,672: WAAAAAHHHH my legendary weapon is not epic enough!

    A truly thankful job.

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    I wonder how the development process for Pharus went:

    Dev A: Okay need to come up with some stuff for a legendary longbow. I know, Kudzu works great with a nature theme, let's pick something which works with one of the other classes that can use longbows and fits thematically into the story.
    Dev B: Sounds cool, so basically a modified chaos weapon?
    Dev A: Yes, but you know how we started doing all these transformation effects on armor? I'm going to add that too and make the bow change shape while drawn.
    Dev B: Sweet, I bet guardians in heavy legendary armor will enjoy this. Good Luck.
    Dev A: Oh but I'm not done. I'm going to add a huge pillar of light to when the weapon is drawn so people notice that a legendary weapon is drawn, something almost no other legendary weapon has.
    Dev B: Okay, we might have to add graphical settings down the road to let people actually be able to see the screen. 1 effect should be fine though. How long will this take you?
    Dev A: Hey, I'm not done yet, I'm going to change the basic firing animation too so that players shoot bolts of pure light energy.
    Dev B: Okay, but at least let people be able to see the screen when a ranger uses Barrage, we need to get back to visual noise at some point. So nothing more on the visual side please.
    Dev A: No don't worry, only the custom sound for the shoots to make the weapon sound epic but not to annoying, we don't want a second quip on our hands. Might have to come in on saturday but it will be worth it. (Dev A goes off to work)
    Dev B: Wait, wasn't this saturday your wedding anniversary? Well at least the players will be happy.
    ...........
    Player 95,672: WAAAAAHHHH my legendary weapon is not epic enough!

    A truly thankful job.

    And you didn't even mention the ENDLESS PILLARS OF LIGHT you call down on opponents that you critically strike. Maybe Dev A didn't mention it because stuff like that it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission because it is without a doubt one of the most over the top things on any legendary.

    Yeah, Pharus isn't as T H I C C as Chuka and Champawat, but it has it where it counts in it's own unique over the top way.

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  • @Sonam.3281 said:
    It means that he knows better than you if this is a ''cheap'' work or no ... so simple.

    They illustrated their preference, rather than provide a professionally neutral review. They equated "not flashy" with "not legendary," for example.

    And i dont believe that the majority are satisfied with this for Legendary Longbow (especially when the alternative is kudzu)

    And how have you determined this? There are a ton of people who prefer simpler designs. It's almost impossible for anyone to design a skin that everyone likes or even one that no one hates, and with only a limited number of legendaries to produce, I think it's fine if ANet sometimes caters to the 80% majority... and sometimes to the 25% minority, so that there's more likely to be something that appeals to more people.

    I happen to like some of the flashiest and noisiest skins and I like some of the simplest too. For me, this is a very good and fun option and I'd much sooner make it than Kudzu.

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  • I think they need to fix a few things with pharus.

    DragonHunter's Longbow skill 3 doesn't have shockwave with the arrow so you can't tell width of the attack, Would it be possible for them to add back into the animation. without it Longbow skills 2 and 3 for dragonhunter look the same.

    For wherever reason Longbow skill 5 for Ranger and Dragonhunter don't have Pharus arrows, they use the normal ones
    Could they change it to unique arrows it kinda looks plain without them. they could even use the same ones as the spirit bow(skill for guardian).

  • Gambino.2109Gambino.2109 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    The flashy stuff doesn't sell it for me, I want the flashy stuff to be icing.. the bow design is very meh.. it needs to look legendary so when all the effects kicking in will make you say.. Oh man.

    I mean you kinda are tossing 2k gold on it after all..

  • Aodlop.1907Aodlop.1907 Member ✭✭✭

    I actually like it more that way that some ridiculous oversized & overly shiny stuff. It's good to have such options. Ask for a second, more shiny bow if that's your thing but leave this one as it is, because in my opinion it's perfect.

  • @Hawkerace.6320 said:
    I can't be the only one that thinks this new legendary longbow lacks the 'legendary' aspect to it. After making it, I felt like I wasted all that time farming for some gem store skin.

    Before I go on ranting and get off track. I think this longbow needs to get back to the drawing board and redesigned a bit. It's not legendary worthy. And for the time and material cost, it's no where near worth it. The design is basic and I feel like there wasn't much effort put into it.

    Kudzu has been out for years and still beats it hands down.

    Then why did you make it?

  • Dace.8173Dace.8173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Cyninja.2954 said:
    I wonder how the development process for Pharus went:

    Dev A: Okay need to come up with some stuff for a legendary longbow. I know, Kudzu works great with a nature theme, let's pick something which works with one of the other classes that can use longbows and fits thematically into the story.
    Dev B: Sounds cool, so basically a modified chaos weapon?
    Dev A: Yes, but you know how we started doing all these transformation effects on armor? I'm going to add that too and make the bow change shape while drawn.
    Dev B: Sweet, I bet guardians in heavy legendary armor will enjoy this. Good Luck.
    Dev A: Oh but I'm not done. I'm going to add a huge pillar of light to when the weapon is drawn so people notice that a legendary weapon is drawn, something almost no other legendary weapon has.
    Dev B: Okay, we might have to add graphical settings down the road to let people actually be able to see the screen. 1 effect should be fine though. How long will this take you?
    Dev A: Hey, I'm not done yet, I'm going to change the basic firing animation too so that players shoot bolts of pure light energy.
    Dev B: Okay, but at least let people be able to see the screen when a ranger uses Barrage, we need to get back to visual noise at some point. So nothing more on the visual side please.
    Dev A: No don't worry, only the custom sound for the shoots to make the weapon sound epic but not to annoying, we don't want a second quip on our hands. Might have to come in on saturday but it will be worth it. (Dev A goes off to work)
    Dev B: Wait, wasn't this saturday your wedding anniversary? Well at least the players will be happy.
    ...........
    Player 95,672: WAAAAAHHHH my legendary weapon is not epic enough!

    A truly thankful job.

    This pretty much sums up almost half the other Legendaries. People come down hard against Pharus but this is a game where they took one Legendary and did a color pallet swap and then convinced people they needed two of the exact same looking Legendary to mash together to get a third Legendary that still looks like the first two, just with a different color pallet. And the great sword seems to be one of the more popular ones people make. The Predator is even more simple than Pharus. All it is is a cool rifle skin with a flame aura (and three times the work). The make-believe conversation for the Predator could be summed up in three to four lines.

    @Gambino.2109 said:
    The flashy stuff doesn't sell it for me, I want the flashy stuff to be icing.. the bow design is very meh.. it needs to look legendary so when all the effects kicking in will make you say.. Oh man.

    I mean you kinda are tossing 2k gold on it after all..

    It does look Legendary, especially in comparison with its peers. By most people standards for Pharus, I would wager that most of the other Legendaries don't look legendary either.

    And the fact that you're tossing 2k gold at it is moot. No one is making you get Pharus. Thus the people who are spending that 2k think the Legendary is worth the costs. There was no way they were going to make a Legendary that everyone approved of. There was going to be some folks who did not like the Legendary. So I'm not sure why folks make a big deal out of it being as how no matter how they designed it someone was going to say it was ugly and someone was going to say it's not cool looking and someone was going to say it's not legendary looking.

  • phs.6089phs.6089 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I just wish new GS would be as slick and annoying as LB.

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  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Pharus is already at 611 of 209,734 (0.291%) according to GW2 Efficiency, making it already more popular than Sharur at 593 of 209,734 (0.283%) and will quickly be more popular than the HMS Divinity, maybe by the end of the day. Heck it might end up being more popular than Ipos in a few months.

    Anyway here's some more Pharus screens for appreciation.


    Even with max camera distance you can't see the top of your own Pharus draw animation so it was actually really nice to see another player with it and draw it so I can actually see how high up it goes.

    Even sheathed and not in combat mode the render is fantastic and highly detailed.

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  • Dace.8173Dace.8173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Pharus is already at 611 of 209,734 (0.291%) according to GW2 Efficiency, making it already more popular than Sharur at 593 of 209,734 (0.283%) and will quickly be more popular than the HMS Divinity, maybe by the end of the day. Heck it might end up being more popular than Ipos in a few months.

    Anyway here's some more Pharus screens for appreciation.

    How do you check to see how many people have made an Legendary on GW Efficiency?

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dace.8173 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Pharus is already at 611 of 209,734 (0.291%) according to GW2 Efficiency, making it already more popular than Sharur at 593 of 209,734 (0.283%) and will quickly be more popular than the HMS Divinity, maybe by the end of the day. Heck it might end up being more popular than Ipos in a few months.

    Anyway here's some more Pharus screens for appreciation.

    How do you check to see how many people have made an Legendary on GW Efficiency?

    Stats > Unlock Stats > Select Skins > Search for skin by name.

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  • intox.6347intox.6347 Member ✭✭✭

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Pharus is already at 611 of 209,734 (0.291%) according to GW2 Efficiency, making it already more popular than Sharur at 593 of 209,734 (0.283%) and will quickly be more popular than the HMS Divinity, maybe by the end of the day. Heck it might end up being more popular than Ipos in a few months.

    Coz Longbow is one of main weapons.... you have here army of rangers... also berserker and dh use it. And ppl like me who doesnt like to run big norn / charr with flowery bow.... waiting for 2nd try in that.... now they dont have another option. I had all materials ready.... just when they release it... make prec and click it... now im hesitate... coz not so satisfied. Yeah lot of effects... omg ULTRA shine everywhere.... but thas not weapon desing, just effects... u can put them on any other longbow.

    Dunno why is there not like 3-5 legendary skins for each type of weapon, omg its not that hard... and you can see on gem skins... that they have ppl to make it. Just legendary is not for gems... so fu it.

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  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    LOL Pharus looks amazing and I like the background, and that it was created by an unknown entity out of the chaos magic. Skin and the story behind it just make me wanna get it.

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  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It's brilliant because it's not so over-the-top but just well designed. I am working towards it as we speak. It's the first legendary I'm making because it's the first one I like enough to go through that effort. My main gripe with legendaries was always that they were just too much - in my opinion. I get that other people like it, but I'm glad I finally got one that I like as well.

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  • Dace.8173Dace.8173 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @intox.6347 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Pharus is already at 611 of 209,734 (0.291%) according to GW2 Efficiency, making it already more popular than Sharur at 593 of 209,734 (0.283%) and will quickly be more popular than the HMS Divinity, maybe by the end of the day. Heck it might end up being more popular than Ipos in a few months.

    Coz Longbow is one of main weapons.... you have here army of rangers... also berserker and dh use it. And ppl like me who doesnt like to run big norn / charr with flowery bow.... waiting for 2nd try in that.... now they dont have another option. I had all materials ready.... just when they release it... make prec and click it... now im hesitate... coz not so satisfied. Yeah lot of effects... omg ULTRA shine everywhere.... but thas not weapon desing, just effects... u can put them on any other longbow.

    Dunno why is there not like 3-5 legendary skins for each type of weapon, omg its not that hard... and you can see on gem skins... that they have ppl to make it. Just legendary is not for gems... so fu it.

    Because they don't have folks dedicated to making Legendaries. The people who make Legendaries are also the people who are making other stuff in the game and the focus is placed on things that a lot of people play vs things only a handful of people actually do. You'll get far more people going for a normal skin than a Legendary due to the simple fact that it doesn't require a metric ton of resources. You can buy a Gem Store skin and it not cost you hours of in-game time to get and a lot of resources that you either have to build up or buy from the TP. Gem Store skins actually makes them money, which places a higher priority on them. Legendaries don't. Gem Store skins is something more players actually get. Legendaries are not. They have more people doing the story material than they do going for Legendaries, again due to the fact that story material doesn't require a huge investment of resources. This isn't about difficulty but where limited resources is best spent. Cranking out a bunch of Legendaries simply is not the best use of their time. Not for something that so few players actually get.

    They also want them to be special. If you released a bunch of them they would stop being well .... legendary. Sure that sucks when you don't have a skin that you like but they are an optional thing to begin with. Rarity increases the overall value. It makes making one a special event as opposed to just another thing you do in the game. Just about anyone can go to the Gem Store and pick up a skin. But not everyone is walking around with Shinning Blade. Lot's of folks will get a Black Lion skin or a Gem Store skin but not everyone will get a Legendary. I also find it unlikely that people are making the weapon just because its the only alterantive to Kudzu. It's a huge resource sink and I would wager that folks who do not like it simply will not make it. Considering the low percentage of folks who actually make Legendaries I just don't see a lot of people making it just because. Most people do not put in that level of work for something they don't like.

    Though this really isn't an issue to get worked up over. There is no way to make a Legendary that everyone is going to like. There is always going to be someone who doesn't like it. There are plenty of folks who love Kudzu. Not me, but it's nothing that I get upset over. If I didn't like Pharus I would shrug and move on. There are a lot of folks happy with Pharus. If you don't like it that's cool but that doesn't make it any less legendary. Just makes it not for you. Comparative to other Legendaries it's not that bad. Folks talk about effects but if you were to be honest and go through all the Legendaries we would see that a lot of them could be just like any other kind of weapon and what makes them special is being labeled Legendary. The Predator is just a really cool rifle covered in flame. They've released rifle skins that are just as awesome, if not more so, than Predator. The greatswords are not really special. Folks love it though. I bet if it were just a normal skin it wouldn't be all that popular. It certainly isn't more involved than Pharus. There is more detail in Pharus than all three of them. The perfected weapons for them actually look better. I really can't take folks seriously when the talk about the effects and looks of Pharus when we compare it to some of the older Legendaries that weren't all that creative or special. As a matter of fact, the more creative looking ones don't seem to be all that popular. HMS Divinity is more creative than Predator, hands down. Not many people like it.

    Most of the complaints against Pharus are true of the majority of older Legendaries and yet somehow folks don't complain about that. So very hard to take seriously.

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