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SPOILERS: ideas what to look forward to after E5?

brenda.9723brenda.9723 Member ✭✭✭

We lost the big fight and now aurene is dead . What is something we can look forward to in the story? Bc joko and aurene were one of the only characters i was interested in :(. Did they hint at any interesting stories arcs they could go for?

I feel like the writers wrote themselfes in a corner with E5, bc both outcomes feel a bit lame to me.
*aurene returns, so her death meant nothing. Her dead was just a cheap emotional tool to make me really upset.
*aurene stays death, which ruins all the build up they did for her. And without her it is impossible to fight kralky.

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  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm guessing her death wasn't meaningless. However we eventually beat Kraalkatorik, it will probably turn out that this was a necessary step along the way.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hopefully getting back to decent heroic fantasy without having a silly dragon pet interfering with the plot. Ive wanted her dead since the destroyers invaded the egg chamber. It has been a long pay off...

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Zaraki.5784Zaraki.5784 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @perilisk.1874 said:
    I'm guessing her death wasn't meaningless. However we eventually beat Kraalkatorik, it will probably turn out that this was a necessary step along the way.

    Aurene was Kralk's Horcrux <.<

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  • Nath Forge Tempete.1645Nath Forge Tempete.1645 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Hopefully getting back to decent heroic fantasy without having a silly dragon pet interfering with the plot. Ive wanted her dead since the destroyers invaded the egg chamber. It has been a long pay off...

    We got it ... you didn't like Aurene at all ... Fine

    What annoys me : they build the entire story around that character for months or even years and now they just "delete" or "destroy" all their story logic by just a making Kralk feint he was almost dead and killing aurene in the processe with an extraordinary regain of power at the last second ... I mean ... it came from nowhere.

    The entire episode was great... just that right moment was rushed for me and makes almost no sense in term of story writting or even logic.

    As if story writters were in a competition to know which one will get the most dramatic (and useless) death in their story episode .

    I don't mind killing important characters but when it makes some sense in the lore at least. HEre it felt almost like you wanted to make something BIG and you were saying like "let's throw the past 10 months of the story away and start something new" with almost no link in between.

    I'm really dissappointed in the way the things were handled. And that cliffhanger ... plz this is not even a good end for a poor soap on netflix ... feels unfinished and rushed.

  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭

    what do you mean it came from nowhere, the vision told us all we needed to know

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    what do you mean it came from nowhere, the vision told us all we needed to know

    Yeah, if it turned out differently, it would mean that Aurene sucks at visions.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 9, 2019

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Hopefully getting back to decent heroic fantasy without having a silly dragon pet interfering with the plot. Ive wanted her dead since the destroyers invaded the egg chamber. It has been a long pay off...

    We got it ... you didn't like Aurene at all ... Fine

    What annoys me : they build the entire story around that character for months or even years and now they just "delete" or "destroy" all their story logic by just a making Kralk feint he was almost dead and killing aurene in the processe with an extraordinary regain of power at the last second ... I mean ... it came from nowhere.

    The entire episode was great... just that right moment was rushed for me and makes almost no sense in term of story writting or even logic.

    As if story writters were in a competition to know which one will get the most dramatic (and useless) death in their story episode .

    I don't mind killing important characters but when it makes some sense in the lore at least. HEre it felt almost like you wanted to make something BIG and you were saying like "let's throw the past 10 months of the story away and start something new" with almost no link in between.

    I'm really dissappointed in the way the things were handled. And that cliffhanger ... plz this is not even a good end for a poor soap on netflix ... feels unfinished and rushed.

    I don't disagree with those who find it distasteful in building her up for so long and investing so much into her and then throwing her away. But there are two points to bear in mind. Her death was heavily telegraphed, including actually showing it the previous episode. If people chose to believe something else, that's not a fault of Anets writing. Secondly, it seems clear this is not the end of her involvement or journey given the secret between her and Glint re; Ascension. Something will happen to either bring her back whole (and no lets not start the whole Joko thing please) or bring her back in a way that still keeps her relevant to the direction they have been going in.

    Sadly (for me) this is not the end of Aurene. it's just a twist. Players have cried out for genuine loss, a defeat and a cliffhanger for years. This is where we are at.

    Regardless of how I feel about this terrible episode, the vast majority have found an emotional reaction to it and that is what the writers want. They want people talking, speculating, getting emotional. For all else, I'll give them credit for that.

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Hopefully getting back to decent heroic fantasy without having a silly dragon pet interfering with the plot. Ive wanted her dead since the destroyers invaded the egg chamber. It has been a long pay off...

    We got it ... you didn't like Aurene at all ... Fine

    What annoys me : they build the entire story around that character for months or even years and now they just "delete" or "destroy" all their story logic by just a making Kralk feint he was almost dead and killing aurene in the processe with an extraordinary regain of power at the last second ... I mean ... it came from nowhere.

    The entire episode was great... just that right moment was rushed for me and makes almost no sense in term of story writting or even logic.

    As if story writters were in a competition to know which one will get the most dramatic (and useless) death in their story episode .

    I don't mind killing important characters but when it makes some sense in the lore at least. HEre it felt almost like you wanted to make something BIG and you were saying like "let's throw the past 10 months of the story away and start something new" with almost no link in between.

    I'm really dissappointed in the way the things were handled. And that cliffhanger ... plz this is not even a good end for a poor soap on netflix ... feels unfinished and rushed.

    I don't disagree with those who find it distasteful in building her up for so long and investing so much into her and then throwing her away. But there are two points to bear in mind. Her death was heavily telegraphed, including actually showing it the previous episode. If people chose to believe something else, that's not a fault of Anets writing. Secondly, it seems clear this is not the end of her involvement or journey given the secret between her and Glint re; Ascension. Something will happen to either bring her back whole (and no lets not start the whole Joko thing please) or bring her back in a way that still keeps her relevant to the direction they have been going in.

    Players have cried out for genuine loss, a defeat.

    I never quite understood this. I would considered the original attack on Lions Arch as a Loss, same the first assault with the pact on Mordremoth. Then all the times we faught Balthazar and loss to him, including actually being killed.

  • @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Hopefully getting back to decent heroic fantasy without having a silly dragon pet interfering with the plot. Ive wanted her dead since the destroyers invaded the egg chamber. It has been a long pay off...

    We got it ... you didn't like Aurene at all ... Fine

    What annoys me : they build the entire story around that character for months or even years and now they just "delete" or "destroy" all their story logic by just a making Kralk feint he was almost dead and killing aurene in the processe with an extraordinary regain of power at the last second ... I mean ... it came from nowhere.

    The entire episode was great... just that right moment was rushed for me and makes almost no sense in term of story writting or even logic.

    As if story writters were in a competition to know which one will get the most dramatic (and useless) death in their story episode .

    I don't mind killing important characters but when it makes some sense in the lore at least. HEre it felt almost like you wanted to make something BIG and you were saying like "let's throw the past 10 months of the story away and start something new" with almost no link in between.

    I'm really dissappointed in the way the things were handled. And that cliffhanger ... plz this is not even a good end for a poor soap on netflix ... feels unfinished and rushed.

    I don't disagree with those who find it distasteful in building her up for so long and investing so much into her and then throwing her away. But there are two points to bear in mind. Her death was heavily telegraphed, including actually showing it the previous episode. If people chose to believe something else, that's not a fault of Anets writing. Secondly, it seems clear this is not the end of her involvement or journey given the secret between her and Glint re; Ascension. Something will happen to either bring her back whole (and no lets not start the whole Joko thing please) or bring her back in a way that still keeps her relevant to the direction they have been going in.

    Sadly (for me) this is not the end of Aurene. it's just a twist. Players have cried out for genuine loss, a defeat and a cliffhanger for years. This is where we are at.

    Regardless of how I feel about this terrible episode, the vast majority have found an emotional reaction to it and that is what the writers want. They want people talking, speculating, getting emotional. For all else, I'll give them credit for that.

    I'm not really for or against the importance of Aurene in the story ... as long as it's good.

    As I said , as long as their pick one idea and they go through it with sense and all the steps needed to make a coherent and understandable story ... I'm totally fine with that. I will enjoy either way. If the commander was a total kitten and would ruin the world it would be awesome as long as they put all their imagination at it and being crazy.

    But that last scene for me , comes from nowhere with almost no sign of it the entire fight. Ppl had speculations from the vision in the last episode but for me, loosing again would mean the story was staling ... and nothing really knew would happen ... and then why making a vision at first if it's not changed? Kralk was almost dead then with some weird magic out of nowhere it gets up and fly away after spitting on us ... i mean ... wut? what is that scenario?

    FOr me the episode ended too early ... we don't need cliffhangers like soaps or sequels for a video game. Waiting even 3 months to get some character thougths about what happen or even something to talk about after that ... whatever. Living story was the only patch of content quality but not even now ... too many content that feel rushed into the release for me.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:
    But that last scene for me , comes from nowhere with almost no sign of it the entire fight. Ppl had speculations from the vision in the last episode but for me, loosing again would mean the story was staling ... and nothing really knew would happen ... and then why making a vision at first if it's not changed? Kralk was almost dead then with some weird magic out of nowhere it gets up and fly away after spitting on us ... i mean ... wut? what is that scenario?

    Who says it was almost dead? HP bars are game mechanics, not physical reality. Anyway, Balthazar pulled the same kitten. Force a fight where we're at a disadvantage, let us whittle his HP bar down, then say "Psyche!". And look how that turned out. Aurene grieving her second loss in a short time to the same superbeing (well, at least Blish wasn't the PC's brother) and the PC having to faff about in the Mists to get resurrected. Now the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't feel so good, huh?

    Glint's army was telling Aurene the time was now, and they've got their own prophecies to back it up. I think Aurene just didn't have context for the vision at the time, but during the two days she was off with Glint, she got a better handle on what was going to happen -- not that her vision was wrong, just that it wasn't the end. Glint couldn't see her own death, after all. I think the more interesting question is not if they will bring her back (because Tyria can't really survive another episode without her), but how. They left a few options open there. I'm guessing "kill the Eater of Souls' twin brother" is probably not one of them.

    I do agree that the 3 month pacing feels wrong for this, though. Avoiding story gaps like this is the main advantage expansions have over LS.

  • Caithe will be the key to bring her back.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    People think Kralkatorrik played possum after losing his eye. But honestly, I think he might've fainted momentarily.

    I mean.. yeah, I doubt the tracker data was lying either. But he wasn't as close to death as the HP bar was indicating. Anyway, I'm not playing the whole instance again to find out, but wasn't the HP bar for his eye, specifically? Maybe his eye was near death, but we killed quite a few of Zhaitan's eyes without that being the end of things too.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    People think Kralkatorrik played possum after losing his eye. But honestly, I think he might've fainted momentarily.

    I mean.. yeah, I doubt the tracker data was lying either. But he wasn't as close to death as the HP bar was indicating. Anyway, I'm not playing the whole instance again to find out, but wasn't the HP bar for his eye, specifically? Maybe his eye was near death, but we killed quite a few of Zhaitan's eyes without that being the end of things too.

    Yes, the third health bar was not for Kralkatorrik. It was for Kralkatorrik's Eye. And it was completely busted when we were done. So I'd say the bar was 100% accurate, technically. Just as the first two health bars were for wounded areas, which became devastated when depleted.

    The Eyes of Zhaitan were not literally Zhaitan's eyes but minions. Though for Zhaitan, given his "unique strength and weakness" destroying those was more effective than, say, destroying Shatterers. But it's still not the same as utterly devastating Kralkatorrik's eye - that's more on par to when we cut off Zhaitan's tails with the Mega-LIT laser.

    Though unlike a couple spare tails, the eye is directly linked into the brain and we were throwing spears piercing through the eye, and other wounds on Kralkatorrik's neck.

    All in all, cutting into (close to) his juggular, and taking out an eye, as well as resonating a frequency that would cause damage throughout his head and neck (which basically means we rattled his brain and cracked some bones, equivalently), that would cause some pretty major damage. Combine that with draining him of magic by making him use it up, and the damage done to him by Glint's army before we lured him, and he's more damaged now than ever before.

    I'd say he's probably close to where Zhaitan was when he was crippled onto that tower. Zhaitan had been drained of magic by the campaign, suffered damage from his weakness being exploited, had tails cut off by the Mega-LIT canon, and then had one of his major wings and arms schlopped off by the grappling hooks that seemed to counter his magic (aka Gorr tech). Though Kralkatorrik has more of his body left by the end of it, so he can actually flee, he's definitely pretty heavily damaged.

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  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    People think Kralkatorrik played possum after losing his eye. But honestly, I think he might've fainted momentarily.

    I mean.. yeah, I doubt the tracker data was lying either. But he wasn't as close to death as the HP bar was indicating. Anyway, I'm not playing the whole instance again to find out, but wasn't the HP bar for his eye, specifically? Maybe his eye was near death, but we killed quite a few of Zhaitan's eyes without that being the end of things too.

    The Eyes of Zhaitan were not literally Zhaitan's eyes but minions. Though for Zhaitan, given his "unique strength and weakness" destroying those was more effective than, say, destroying Shatterers. But it's still not the same as utterly devastating Kralkatorrik's eye - that's more on par to when we cut off Zhaitan's tails with the Mega-LIT laser.

    Well... total failure as a joke, apparently.

    Anyway, I have to hope that we hurt him enough to buy ourselves, oh, let's say 3 months while he entrenches and recovers. Otherwise, the pacing is going to feel really weird.

  • @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:
    But that last scene for me , comes from nowhere with almost no sign of it the entire fight. Ppl had speculations from the vision in the last episode but for me, loosing again would mean the story was staling ... and nothing really knew would happen ... and then why making a vision at first if it's not changed? Kralk was almost dead then with some weird magic out of nowhere it gets up and fly away after spitting on us ... i mean ... wut? what is that scenario?

    Who says it was almost dead? HP bars are game mechanics, not physical reality. Anyway, Balthazar pulled the same kitten. Force a fight where we're at a disadvantage, let us whittle his HP bar down, then say "Psyche!". And look how that turned out. Aurene grieving her second loss in a short time to the same superbeing (well, at least Blish wasn't the PC's brother) and the PC having to faff about in the Mists to get resurrected. Now the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't feel so good, huh?

    Glint's army was telling Aurene the time was now, and they've got their own prophecies to back it up. I think Aurene just didn't have context for the vision at the time, but during the two days she was off with Glint, she got a better handle on what was going to happen -- not that her vision was wrong, just that it wasn't the end. Glint couldn't see her own death, after all. I think the more interesting question is not if they will bring her back (because Tyria can't really survive another episode without her), but how. They left a few options open there. I'm guessing "kill the Eater of Souls' twin brother" is probably not one of them.

    I do agree that the 3 month pacing feels wrong for this, though. Avoiding story gaps like this is the main advantage expansions have over LS.

    Well I wasn't talking about the HP bar ... but more of the signs - dialogues all over the confrontation. He basically gets rekt the entire fight and then at the end ... well... he's winning like that. (see sooner post of mine) but yeah...

    I just feel the story has brought nothing really valuable in this episode (unless a new map and new collection) it was just a meaningless fight . I t would have been better if we had a piece of alternative and not that huge cliffhanger that is not even good for a 3 months release content... on a weekly soap release okay... but 3 months ? i mean ... bad design there.

  • Svennis.3852Svennis.3852 Member ✭✭✭

    I thought the abrupt and hopeless ending was incredibly impactful. We failed. Big time. We don’t know what to do next. That’s when you get juicy juicy character development — how do people change, grow, or regress when disaster strikes?

    Honestly I’m not sure what other resolution they could bring that would feel right given what we lost.

  • brenda.9723brenda.9723 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    Kralky looked also dead to me. For me his attack and aurenes death came out of nowhere too. So i get what you mean.

  • brenda.9723brenda.9723 Member ✭✭✭

    @Svennis.3852 said:
    I thought the abrupt and hopeless ending was incredibly impactful. We failed. Big time. We don’t know what to do next. That’s when you get juicy juicy character development — how do people change, grow, or regress when disaster strikes?

    Honestly I’m not sure what other resolution they could bring that would feel right given what we lost.

    I am not sure if shockvalue plot is the best way for character development? Note that the writers focus with character development more on the rest of the cast then on the commander, bc he/she is supposed to be a blank slate. I hope they write something good, but team 3 was always the worst story telling team.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:
    Well I wasn't talking about the HP bar ... but more of the signs - dialogues all over the confrontation. He basically gets rekt the entire fight and then at the end ... well... he's winning like that. (see sooner post of mine) but yeah...

    Is he winning, though? Her visions showed her completely crystallized, and the first instance makes clear that her greatest fear is not death, but being branded (which makes even more sense if she knows she can use Joko's magic, since it wouldn't help her against that). Even though we wake up at ground zero for a purple crystal nuke, neither she nor the commander is corrupted - that energy went somewhere, and I think it went toward changing her from a dragon into an elder dragon.

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I presume that Aurene's death wasn't in vain. She surely damaged him and this will lead to the defeat in a dedicated Kralkatorrik map where a map wide meta event will take him down similar to Mordremoth.

  • On the death of Aurene:

    I'm perfectly fine with it being permanent, though I am a little off-put by the lack of breadcrumbs for what follows next. I'm sure that they have something in mind for us, otherwise, pack your kittens folks, it's time to abandon Tyria to its new Lord and Savior Kralky-poo.

    However, in the scenario where her death is not permanent... I really only see one way in which this can be achieved via Guild Wars 1: Crystal Hibernation. It is the skill used by Glint in the bonus mission where you fight her in her lair. It is also present on Revenant/Herald Shield 4 as a healing skill w/block & condition removal per pulse if traited. I do find it unlikely they will go this exact route, but there is precedent, as we "killed" Glint in that bonus mission, but she was totally fine until the final death at the hands of Kralk.

    Just some thoughts.

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  • Sir Alric.5078Sir Alric.5078 Member ✭✭✭

    Here is what i think

    It has been long established (since LW3 episode 5) that we can't kill Elder Dragons without a way to replace them, otherwise the planet goes BOOM. If that happens, we are screwed. So now that Aurene is dead we can't kill Kralkatorrik no matter how much we want to. But, we also cannot let him recover the strenght he has lost in this fight, because if that happens he will go back consuming all the magic which means we are also screwed.
    So i think that we are probably going to do another trip into the domain of the lost (or whatever part of the Mists the souls of dead dragons end up in) and find a way to resurrect Aurene. The Commander managed to come back to life after being killed by Balthazar, i believe Aurene can do the same. And once she's back, we can fight Kralkatorrik again and finish him off for sure. In my opinion, that's the only way to save the story coherence (Aurene did die just like she predicted she would, but nobody said anything about her being unable to resurrect). Even if the whole "coming back to life" would be sort of a deja-vù after what happened in PoF, it is still a lot better than Anet creating a whole new different solution to the Elder Dragons problem out of nowhere. Because that would feel like a total asspull (since there has been no foreshadowing of such a thing), not to mention that Aurene being permanently dead would invalidate pretty much everything we have done since we first heard about the Egg in LW2 episode 5.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    @Sir Alric.5078 said:
    Here is what i think

    It has been long established (since LW3 episode 5) that we can't kill Elder Dragons without a way to replace them, otherwise the planet goes BOOM. If that happens, we are screwed. So now that Aurene is dead we can't kill Kralkatorrik no matter how much we want to. But, we also cannot let him recover the strenght he has lost in this fight, because if that happens he will go back consuming all the magic which means we are also screwed.
    So i think that we are probably going to do another trip into the domain of the lost (or whatever part of the Mists the souls of dead dragons end up in) and find a way to resurrect Aurene. The Commander managed to come back to life after being killed by Balthazar, i believe Aurene can do the same. And once she's back, we can fight Kralkatorrik again and finish him off for sure. In my opinion, that's the only way to save the story coherence (Aurene did die just like she predicted she would, but nobody said anything about her being unable to resurrect). Even if the whole "coming back to life" would be sort of a deja-vù after what happened in PoF, it is still a lot better than Anet creating a whole new different solution to the Elder Dragons problem out of nowhere. Because that would feel like a total asspull (since there has been no foreshadowing of such a thing), not to mention that Aurene being permanently dead would invalidate pretty much everything we have done since we first heard about the Egg in LW2 episode 5.

    They've basically written themselves into a corner (under which they installed a trapdoor ahead of time with a light fixture they could twist to escape, and this metaphor is getting out of hand). If we don't kill Kraalkatorik, reality is completely destroyed, shut down the servers and move on.

    If we do kill Kraalkatorik without bringing Aurene back to life (barring something pulled out of nowhere), magic is destabilized and runs rampant. The wall between Tyria and the Mists breaks down, and Jahai showed us what happens then -- every area in the world would be filled with historical events that are locked in time, repeating in an endless lo-- oh, kitten. Oh kitteny kitten. YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! KITTEN YOU! SIX KITTEN YOU ALL TO THE REALM OF TORMENT!

  • @perilisk.1874 said:
    They've basically written themselves into a corner (under which they installed a trapdoor ahead of time with a light fixture they could twist to escape, and this metaphor is getting out of hand). If we don't kill Kraalkatorik, reality is completely destroyed, shut down the servers and move on.

    If we do kill Kraalkatorik without bringing Aurene back to life (barring something pulled out of nowhere), magic is destabilized and runs rampant. The wall between Tyria and the Mists breaks down, and Jahai showed us what happens then -- every area in the world would be filled with historical events that are locked in time, repeating in an endless lo-- oh, kitten. Oh kitteny kitten. YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! KITTEN YOU! SIX KITTEN YOU ALL TO THE REALM OF TORMENT!

    Here's my question about "if we do kill Kralkatorrik without Aurene":

    What has the Pale Tree been doing?

    Remember in Season 1, Zhaitan's strongest living champion, Tequatl, was gathering a majority of Zhaitan's power, growing stronger, and was about to become the next Elder Death Dragon (per interview)?

    The Pale Tree should be able to do that with Mordremoth's magic, given she's a dragon champion, and even though Primordus and Kralkatorrik took a big chunk of Mordremoth's magic, they did so when Zhaitan first died too (or Kralk should have, at least).

    So by now, with so much time to recover, she - or Malyck's Tree in all honesty - should be close, if not already, the new Elder Jungle Dragon.

    And that gives us a buffer to kill Kralkatorrik without a replacement.

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  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Here's my question about "if we do kill Kralkatorrik without Aurene":

    What has the Pale Tree been doing?

    Something other than undergoing Ascension so she can become a replacement for Mordremoth in the All to stabilize the flows of magic?

    Or maybe she did, the rules about Ascension (how to do it, what it does) are one of those things that they just sort of make up as they go along, both in GW1 and GW2. I doubt Aurene spent her time with Glint unlocking the ability to learn a secondary profession or see Mursaat.

    For dragons (Arenanet will claim, continuing to make it up as they go along), Ascension is probably more akin to the blessing given to Kormir -- the process by which Aurene actually gains the ability to replace Kraalkatorik, rather than just absorbing some of his energy. I would speculate that the trials in combination with Kraalkatorik's desperate last-ditch unrestrained energy blast she absorbed at the end transformed her into.. well, in god terms, whatever Balthazar or Dhuum were. She is now the same class of being as an Elder Dragon, and fully capable of replacing Kraalkatorik, but she has to actually acquire his sphere first (and also, be alive). I'm pretty sure that will go more like Kormir/Abaddon than Grenth/Dhuum.

  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @perilisk.1874 said:
    They've basically written themselves into a corner (under which they installed a trapdoor ahead of time with a light fixture they could twist to escape, and this metaphor is getting out of hand). If we don't kill Kraalkatorik, reality is completely destroyed, shut down the servers and move on.

    If we do kill Kraalkatorik without bringing Aurene back to life (barring something pulled out of nowhere), magic is destabilized and runs rampant. The wall between Tyria and the Mists breaks down, and Jahai showed us what happens then -- every area in the world would be filled with historical events that are locked in time, repeating in an endless lo-- oh, kitten. Oh kitteny kitten. YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! KITTEN YOU! SIX KITTEN YOU ALL TO THE REALM OF TORMENT!

    Here's my question about "if we do kill Kralkatorrik without Aurene":

    What has the Pale Tree been doing?

    Remember in Season 1, Zhaitan's strongest living champion, Tequatl, was gathering a majority of Zhaitan's power, growing stronger, and was about to become the next Elder Death Dragon (per interview)?

    The Pale Tree should be able to do that with Mordremoth's magic, given she's a dragon champion, and even though Primordus and Kralkatorrik took a big chunk of Mordremoth's magic, they did so when Zhaitan first died too (or Kralk should have, at least).

    So by now, with so much time to recover, she - or Malyck's Tree in all honesty - should be close, if not already, the new Elder Jungle Dragon.

    And that gives us a buffer to kill Kralkatorrik without a replacement.

    Well the pale tree is just a seed coming from the dragon (more like a big blighting pod) so maybe it doesn't work. And malyck's tree is the pale tree. Just that his pod fall into a river and got ported away from the grove. (dunno where I read that tho... it's been a while)

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    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Here's my question about "if we do kill Kralkatorrik without Aurene":

    What has the Pale Tree been doing?

    Something other than undergoing Ascension so she can become a replacement for Mordremoth in the All to stabilize the flows of magic?

    Or maybe she did, the rules about Ascension (how to do it, what it does) are one of those things that they just sort of make up as they go along, both in GW1 and GW2. I doubt Aurene spent her time with Glint unlocking the ability to learn a secondary profession or see Mursaat.

    For dragons (Arenanet will claim, continuing to make it up as they go along), Ascension is probably more akin to the blessing given to Kormir -- the process by which Aurene actually gains the ability to replace Kraalkatorik, rather than just absorbing some of his energy. I would speculate that the trials in combination with Kraalkatorik's desperate last-ditch unrestrained energy blast she absorbed at the end transformed her into.. well, in god terms, whatever Balthazar or Dhuum were. She is now the same class of being as an Elder Dragon, and fully capable of replacing Kraalkatorik, but she has to actually acquire his sphere first (and also, be alive). I'm pretty sure that will go more like Kormir/Abaddon than Grenth/

    That’s a good point actually, didn’t Kormir technically die when she took all of Abaddon’s magic into her and became a goddess? So Aurene doing the same thing now would make sense and mirror that part of nightfall. And perhaps Jokos magic would substitute the gods blessing that kormir received in order to survive her death and transformation. I don’t think the Joko bit is just some flippant fan service or excuse of why we abruptly killed him. I think they planned far enough ahead at that point to realize that Jokos death in that manner would be impactful and necessary instead of just deciding to kill a fan favorite and give us a few lines thinking it would appease people that are still salty about his manner of demise.

    It just makes perfect sense to have that be the key to her resurrection and paces perfectly with the fact that we have ONE episode left in this season with the potential to finish an arc that has been going on for YEARS. It allows the writers to move past this and start exploring other directions in a manner that actually makes sense.

    I challenge all of these people saying her being resurrected by joko magic and her becoming an elder dragon due to the events of glints trials and the events of this instance, with all of the hints and the visual changes to both Aurene and Kralk during this episode, to come up with a better plot direction that actually makes sense. I’ve heard a few theories that sounded interesting, but mostly I’ve just heard people whining about how death doesn’t mean anything in this game and about how it would be nonsensical or a cop out to go the resurrection route with no other reasoning than “that’s bad writing”... yet they only thing they seem to be writing are bias and ill thought out critiques of a story of which the plans and behind the scenes knowledge they aren’t even privy to.

    Also, along with Jokos death and everything else involving Aurene since her introduction and bond forming with the player character... what purpose would the visions she had of her dying serve if she were to stay dead? Just to give us the opportunity to revisit Glints corpse and gain access to some supposed prophecy Kralk had... and prepare Aurene for something that if permanently dead was completely negated the next instance? Is the opportunity for a pep talk and some glint nostalgia a better reason to have us witnessing those visions better story telling than potentially hinting that her death is inevitable but prevented by Jokos magic? Jokos magic that was obtained by an at the time rather controversial and mocked story decision but can now have an actual payoff and strong reasoning behind it? Or would people rather just be salty about his death, say it was a poor story decision, and wait for the writers to pull some other solution out of thin air with no breadcrumbs or hints and then spend yet another season trying to motivate us to pursue something that not only we have failed at but Destiny’s Edge as well? So we just chalk this up as attempt number two, then three, and how many times do we try?

    I just don’t know how people are reaching the conclusion that her death needs to be permanent or that her involvement is Jokos death is completely irrelevant. “But everybody just comes back from the dead now.” Well yeah, becaus Kralk is devouring the place where the dead go and it didn’t become so prevalent until now due to this very reason.

    People are just over simplifying things in their own heads and trying to project it into the story, when in reality, despite being the people the story is aimed at, they aren’t the ones getting paid to write it... Expand your train of thought beyond disregarding things as “bad writing” and start imagining the possibilities of the future while weighting the events of the past. I’ve had my sour moments towards the story decisions too, but I have more faith in them than to think they’re just killing off a character that they’ve spent years on getting us acquainted with, and roller beetle drift plowing in some random story direction that they then have to spend probably at most a year of a new season trying to create the same impact as something they have been building up for years....

  • Gray.8635Gray.8635 Member ✭✭

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Hopefully getting back to decent heroic fantasy without having a silly dragon pet interfering with the plot. Ive wanted her dead since the destroyers invaded the egg chamber. It has been a long pay off...

    We got it ... you didn't like Aurene at all ... Fine

    What annoys me : they build the entire story around that character for months or even years and now they just "delete" or "destroy" all their story logic by just a making Kralk feint he was almost dead and killing aurene in the processe with an extraordinary regain of power at the last second ... I mean ... it came from nowhere.

    The entire episode was great... just that right moment was rushed for me and makes almost no sense in term of story writting or even logic.

    As if story writters were in a competition to know which one will get the most dramatic (and useless) death in their story episode .

    I don't mind killing important characters but when it makes some sense in the lore at least. HEre it felt almost like you wanted to make something BIG and you were saying like "let's throw the past 10 months of the story away and start something new" with almost no link in between.

    I'm really dissappointed in the way the things were handled. And that cliffhanger ... plz this is not even a good end for a poor soap on netflix ... feels unfinished and rushed.

    I don't disagree with those who find it distasteful in building her up for so long and investing so much into her and then throwing her away. But there are two points to bear in mind. Her death was heavily telegraphed, including actually showing it the previous episode. If people chose to believe something else, that's not a fault of Anets writing. Secondly, it seems clear this is not the end of her involvement or journey given the secret between her and Glint re; Ascension. Something will happen to either bring her back whole (and no lets not start the whole Joko thing please) or bring her back in a way that still keeps her relevant to the direction they have been going in.

    Sadly (for me) this is not the end of Aurene. it's just a twist. Players have cried out for genuine loss, a defeat and a cliffhanger for years. This is where we are at.

    Regardless of how I feel about this terrible episode, the vast majority have found an emotional reaction to it and that is what the writers want. They want people talking, speculating, getting emotional. For all else, I'll give them credit for that.

    I'm not really for or against the importance of Aurene in the story ... as long as it's good.

    As I said , as long as their pick one idea and they go through it with sense and all the steps needed to make a coherent and understandable story ... I'm totally fine with that. I will enjoy either way. If the commander was a total kitten and would ruin the world it would be awesome as long as they put all their imagination at it and being crazy.

    But that last scene for me , comes from nowhere with almost no sign of it the entire fight. Ppl had speculations from the vision in the last episode but for me, loosing again would mean the story was staling ... and nothing really knew would happen ... and then why making a vision at first if it's not changed? Kralk was almost dead then with some weird magic out of nowhere it gets up and fly away after spitting on us ... i mean ... wut? what is that scenario?

    FOr me the episode ended too early ... we don't need cliffhangers like soaps or sequels for a video game. Waiting even 3 months to get some character thougths about what happen or even something to talk about after that ... whatever. Living story was the only patch of content quality but not even now ... too many content that feel rushed into the release for me.

    Not only that but the entire fight against Balthazar is now pointless if the story ends with Aurene being sacrificed. I was looking forward to the living story to actually give us all the understanding of the Elder Dragons through Aurene progress, but if the death remains, I too feel this is a really bad daytime soap opera writing, with killing off important characters just for fun,

  • Yannir.4132Yannir.4132 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Slowpokeking.8720 said:
    Caithe will be the key to bring her back.

    She was suspiciously quiet during the final scene. Like she was leaving something unsaid.

    I honestly don't think this is the end for Aurene, just a plotpoint along the way.

  • @Yannir.4132 said:

    @Slowpokeking.8720 said:
    Caithe will be the key to bring her back.

    She was suspiciously quiet during the final scene. Like she was leaving something unsaid.

    I honestly don't think this is the end for Aurene, just a plotpoint along the way.

    You must have watch WP last video on youtube Hahah

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    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

    @Yannir.4132 said:

    @Slowpokeking.8720 said:
    Caithe will be the key to bring her back.

    She was suspiciously quiet during the final scene. Like she was leaving something unsaid.

    I honestly don't think this is the end for Aurene, just a plotpoint along the way.

    You must have watch WP last video on youtube Hahah

    I really haven't. Just came home from work, and I don't YT there. :lol:

  • Pretty sure Aurene will be back due to usage of Joko's resurrection capability. I would imagine we try to fight Kralk head on, then at the last second while losing Aurene appears out of nowhere and destroys him. I have a hard time thinking that with all the talk Joko made about his powers before his death are for nothing, or simple comic relief to go along with shock of Aurene having her pre-nap snack.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019

    @Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:
    Well the pale tree is just a seed coming from the dragon (more like a big blighting pod) so maybe it doesn't work. And malyck's tree is the pale tree. Just that his pod fall into a river and got ported away from the grove. (dunno where I read that tho... it's been a while)

    Malcyk was born of a different tree. The idea that he's from the Pale Tree and lost his memories of the Dream were the false first conclusion of the PC, Caithe, and Trahearne. They learn he was born of a different tree and never had a connection to the Dream.

    And if Tequatl could become a replacement for Zhaitan (confirmed he was on his way, like Glint was), then so could the Pale Tree. After all, it's pretty darn unlikely Tequatl and all those other dragons like Blightghast are literal children of Zhaitan (unless Z was one hell of a pimp daddy / broodmother).

    @Yannir.4132 said:

    @Slowpokeking.8720 said:
    Caithe will be the key to bring her back.

    She was suspiciously quiet during the final scene. Like she was leaving something unsaid.

    I honestly don't think this is the end for Aurene, just a plotpoint along the way.

    Suspiciously quiet, except for the line "She's gone..."

    Everyone was rather quiet, in their sorrow and mourning.

    @Wilster.2985 said:
    Pretty sure Aurene will be back due to usage of Joko's resurrection capability.

    Except Joko didn't resurrect. He simply never died.

    I would imagine we try to fight Kralk head on, then at the last second while losing Aurene appears out of nowhere and destroys him.

    Ah, yes, the Dues Ex Machina. Had it for Zhaitan, Mordremoth, Lazarus, Joko, and Balthazar. Must have it for Kralkatorrik too.

    (okay not seriously having it for all those villains, but did for Mordy and Joko).

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  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Except Joko didn't resurrect. He simply never died.

    How are we defining "died", such that we can say it did not happen to Joko, but did happen to Aurene?

    He was a mummy so I doubt he had normal vital signs even when he was in good shape. Less so when chopped to bits or however else they tried getting rid of him. Presumably we aren't talking about standard biological death.

    Do you mean died as "physically broken, nonresponsive, and severed from his connection with his minions"? Well, that did happen to Joko when the commander beat him, unless his guards were also pretending to be dazed.

    Do you mean that his soul was not parted from his body and his magic was not released? We have no way of knowing about the former either way, and Aurene's magic did not seem to be released either.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019

    Khilbron, The Hunter, and Joko all show being able to be to, well, not die. In that there is no moment they seem unable to control their body. Was Joko physically broken or was he like The Hunter, who was faking it, because Khilbron never reaches that point until his soul is ripped from his body.

    And I do think the dazed state of the Awakened is faked, though not by them but by Joko; when Joko actually dies, the Awakened just describe it as losing their compulsion. Not "I was dazed for a moment, then the compulsion was gone". Furthermore, the two guards were dazed even while Joko was recovering.

    And I would say Aurene's magic was released, as we see Caithe's crystals disintigrate, which is a catch method for Anet to go "life/magic is gone", like with the Eye of Janthir. And Caithe confirms her connection is gone with her words "She's gone...". This, to me, mirrors Zhaitan's and Mordremoth's deaths and their minions no longer hearing their Elder Dragons' voice.

    (EDIT: Plus, GuildChat just confirmed Aurene's a corpse, intentionally bookending the episode with Glint's corpse and Aurene's corpse)

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Was that actually glints corpse or a representation/mirroring of some sort? I thought her corpse became the aspect crystals we use in dry top and labyrinthe cliffs, but maybe I'm misremembering?

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  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Khilbron, The Hunter, and Joko all show being able to be to, well, not die. In that there is no moment they seem unable to control their body. Was Joko physically broken or was he like The Hunter, who was faking it, because Khilbron never reaches that point until his soul is ripped from his body.

    And I do think the dazed state of the Awakened is faked, though not by them but by Joko; when Joko actually dies, the Awakened just describe it as losing their compulsion. Not "I was dazed for a moment, then the compulsion was gone". Furthermore, the two guards were dazed even while Joko was recovering.

    And I would say Aurene's magic was released, as we see Caithe's crystals disintigrate, which is a catch method for Anet to go "life/magic is gone", like with the Eye of Janthir. And Caithe confirms her connection is gone with her words "She's gone...". This, to me, mirrors Zhaitan's and Mordremoth's deaths and their minions no longer hearing their Elder Dragons' voice.

    (EDIT: Plus, GuildChat just confirmed Aurene's a corpse, intentionally bookending the episode with Glint's corpse and Aurene's corpse)

    Regardless, Aurene was a living dragon, Joko was an undead human kept animate only by the magic of Awakening, which he had mastered using over centuries.

    We have no way of knowing how long it took Joko to initially transition from life to undeath the first time, or whether it works differently for dragons and humans. We don't even know whether Aurene still has the magic or converted it to crystal magic. If it's divine magic, then we have no way of even knowing if it works the same way for Joko and Aurene, since those magics seem to allow a bit of leeway for interpretation (e.g Truth versus Secrets).

    We just have to hold our breath for 3 months and see. We're going to be very purpley-blue looking.

  • Nope, nothing, when i finished the episode i couldn't play anymore i just closed GW2 and went Dota2, it was too much for me srsly, i guess ill wait some days or something but there's little desire for GW2 right now.

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    The more a universe expands over time, the more ways we usually get to see loopholes for characters to come back. This story is starting get a little bit like supernatural where there are half a dozen possible ways to come back. I think there are several open to aurene.

    Personally I’ve been wondering: what if the spellwork keeping Joko alive, which we know is highly capable of regenerating damage to one’s body transferred to aurene? I’d think killing Joko involves destroying that magic, but maybe since aurene was consuming him as it broke down, it might have just jumped over to her. In which case, all of her wounds from being impaled (😭) would simply heal and she would come back to life.

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  • Sajuuk Khar.1509Sajuuk Khar.1509 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2019

    So, at this point, I don't think Kralk will die in episode 6. Instead, I think Aurene will find some way to come back at the VERY VERY end of episode 6, as the season end big reveal.

    LWS5 will continue the Kralkatorik story, maybe not the whole season, but part of it. There's still a massive chunk of Elona we haven't visited yet which would easily serve as 2-3 maps, which could end the Kralk story, with the second half of s5 being a setup for whatever comes next.

  • Tanith.5264Tanith.5264 Member ✭✭✭

    @Slowpokeking.8720 said:
    Caithe will be the key to bring her back.

    I suspect this as well. Not sure which character said it, but there was a remark about "Caithe's Flowers" as my poor exasperated necro limped onto the scene. I think Aurene was prepared for this eventuality, even if the rest of us were not.

    So what comes next? Well, remember that Taimi noted a burst of Zhaitan's energy coming from the Branded or some such during the fight. So soon we'll be coping with Risen Vine-touched Branded Icebrood Destroyers. Coming soon to a defenseless farming community near YOU!

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  • PhiLL.1746PhiLL.1746 Member ✭✭
    edited January 12, 2019

    Charr homeland as the new map (kralk will need to recover where everything started)
    Caithe as the "new Aurene" (she is eligible to become an elder dragon since she is a dragon minion and is connected to Kralk).
    gg

  • @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
    So, at this point, I don't think Kralk will die in episode 6. Instead, I think Aurene will find some way to come back at the VERY VERY end of episode 6, as the season end big reveal.

    LWS5 will continue the Kralkatorik story, maybe not the whole season, but part of it. There's still a massive chunk of Elona we haven't visited yet which would easily serve as 2-3 maps, which could end the Kralk story, with the second half of s5 being a setup for whatever comes next.

    I believ too we will know at the end some more I think the episode will focus on Taimi and how Braham wants to help her (maybe with an ritual fuse her with an animal spirit to heal her body).

    Its a bit melancholic but I think the general direction everything is going is change or die

  • Slowpokeking.8720Slowpokeking.8720 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2019

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
    So, at this point, I don't think Kralk will die in episode 6. Instead, I think Aurene will find some way to come back at the VERY VERY end of episode 6, as the season end big reveal.

    LWS5 will continue the Kralkatorik story, maybe not the whole season, but part of it. There's still a massive chunk of Elona we haven't visited yet which would easily serve as 2-3 maps, which could end the Kralk story, with the second half of s5 being a setup for whatever comes next.

    Kralkatorrik pretty much can't bring anything new to us. We already fought his minions since PoF and had a big fight like that, there is little to be added. I hope it will end asap because I'm bored.

  • Fenom.9457Fenom.9457 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Slowpokeking.8720 said:

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
    So, at this point, I don't think Kralk will die in episode 6. Instead, I think Aurene will find some way to come back at the VERY VERY end of episode 6, as the season end big reveal.

    LWS5 will continue the Kralkatorik story, maybe not the whole season, but part of it. There's still a massive chunk of Elona we haven't visited yet which would easily serve as 2-3 maps, which could end the Kralk story, with the second half of s5 being a setup for whatever comes next.

    Kralkatorrik pretty much can't bring anything new to us. We already fought his minions since PoF and had a big fight like that, there is little to be added. I hope it will end asap because I'm bored.

    We can have all manner of new branded creatures, we haven’t seen any kind of elonian creatures branded (ibogas, sand sharks, sand eels?), and other races. We’ve never even seen Branded Norn or asura, though until he could pop out of the mists it wouldn’t have made sense

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  • Many said that "kralki fainted" and Caith will be the key". I think none of these 2 (not entirely).
    First: Kralki didnt fainted. That we stabbed him was dangerous for him, he was realy diing, but he is and elder dragon. The last bast was a scared movement to flee (worked perfectly for him).
    Second: Caith i think wont bring Aurene back, she will be just some detekcor/indicator.
    The plot I have in mind:
    First: Aurene absorbed Joko's "immortal-returning-never truly dead" powers, wich I think remained hers, cuz Kralki didnt absorbed any magic in the cinematic while leaving the area in haste (half of his face melted), he was busy to flee, not taking time to have a breakfast.
    Second: In Glint's Lair we were separated, where Glint stated that Draconic Ascension is only for dragon's ears. So maybe he now knows someting that needed Aurene's death, to aquire some immense powers, found a way to save her daughter. Thus the Joko power and the Ascended Dragon powers at the same time maybe will have some trick in their scaly pockets (maybe The return of both of them).
    I think, we will take a tour into the mists with Caith and Rithlock, asking Glint, helping her to save Aurene (maybe Glint too, but that would break the lore of Heralds, or this will be the key to it, the Revenants).

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2019

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
    So, at this point, I don't think Kralk will die in episode 6. Instead, I think Aurene will find some way to come back at the VERY VERY end of episode 6, as the season end big reveal.

    LWS5 will continue the Kralkatorik story, maybe not the whole season, but part of it. There's still a massive chunk of Elona we haven't visited yet which would easily serve as 2-3 maps, which could end the Kralk story, with the second half of s5 being a setup for whatever comes next.

    I think this is a possibility too, although it could be kralk will find a place to hide out and leave the story a while. He prob knows the Missts are now dangerous too him given the battles he had there and his near death state.

    It seems unlikely to me we could have two back to back elder dragon boss battle episodes

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  • Slowpokeking.8720Slowpokeking.8720 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2019

    @Fenom.9457 said:

    @Slowpokeking.8720 said:

    @Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
    So, at this point, I don't think Kralk will die in episode 6. Instead, I think Aurene will find some way to come back at the VERY VERY end of episode 6, as the season end big reveal.

    LWS5 will continue the Kralkatorik story, maybe not the whole season, but part of it. There's still a massive chunk of Elona we haven't visited yet which would easily serve as 2-3 maps, which could end the Kralk story, with the second half of s5 being a setup for whatever comes next.

    Kralkatorrik pretty much can't bring anything new to us. We already fought his minions since PoF and had a big fight like that, there is little to be added. I hope it will end asap because I'm bored.

    We can have all manner of new branded creatures, we haven’t seen any kind of elonian creatures branded (ibogas, sand sharks, sand eels?), and other races. We’ve never even seen Branded Norn or asura, though until he could pop out of the mists it wouldn’t have made sense

    Nah, why not save the effort to other villains?

    Kralkatorrik as the big bad is no longer interesting, we SAVED him in this xpc after he got a boost from Mordremoth' death, then he got a big boost again, trying to destroy reality and almost got beaten here, the battle is cool enough and he gave almost everything there. To further drag his story would be boring.

    More importantly, he got little personality even compare to the other dragons, he simply just destroy and devour, there is little to develop as the big bad.

  • Would share few of my theory :P :

    -Arenanet just wanted to make us cry and revive in the next episode, if that the case, even if I want her back, would be dissapointed for the trolling.

    (Hope it will be) -Aurene knew she have to die, she fight Kralkatorrik because she tried to kill him even if she was aware she have not yet the strength, "All or Nothing" after all, she got "nothing" but since Kralk attack as well the Mist, Glint, Vlast and Aurene are together now and could perhaps take him down together with the Commander, and why not with his magic if he die, ressurect one or why not, all together and mostly...WHY NOT Glint to be the new Elder Dragon of Crystal with Vlast and Aurene as Champion like Kralk with The Shatterer!

    -Aurene is definitely dead but I think that would be bad that end in that way, indeed she died in battle but what will happen after? We can't stop him now and would be dissapointing to have create a skin for Caithe or not use the Joko magic...

    And at last, my most probable though:

    -Aurene died for good, but Caithe could later feel back her presence as Aurene still guide us into victory, she might not be here but perhaps she will help us to kill that crystal dragon.

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