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  • Fat Disgrace.4275Fat Disgrace.4275 Member ✭✭✭✭

    "I don't know."

  • cNd.1096cNd.1096 Member ✭✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:
    Aurene reviving because she ate Joko would be lazy writing.
    Keep in mind that Aurene sacrificed herself to save the commander, this means we are more important than her. If Aurene knew that she is the only hope for Tyria, she'd let us die and let our other friends work with her to save the world. Saving the commander means WE are more important than her in stopping Kralkatorrik, and not because we are the player. Or at least I HOPE it's not because we are the player and find something else.

    No, it just means she loves us and she would save us even if that would mean doom for whole Tyria.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:
    Aurene reviving because she ate Joko would be lazy writing.
    Keep in mind that Aurene sacrificed herself to save the commander, this means we are more important than her. If Aurene knew that she is the only hope for Tyria, she'd let us die and let our other friends work with her to save the world. Saving the commander means WE are more important than her in stopping Kralkatorrik, and not because we are the player.

    Wrong. She is a child. We are her parent. She loves us unconditionally. She would have sacrificed herself to save us no matter what.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Ashantara.8731 said:
    Just replaying for achievements, and in the light of the outcome I am more convinced than ever that that was not Glint with us in the trial rooms. That was pure manipulation of our minds. Well played, Kralkatorrik.

    Now I'm curious what gave you that impression?

    The kitten (sorry, can't call it anything positive in the light of things) she would babble about: "Scion and Champion^ destined to succeed", "This is your time!", blah blah blah. Sounds like a devious pep talk to motivate us even more to run, blinded by "hope", into that death trap. Not to forget the "huuuge secret" she would share with us about Kralkatorrik, painting him in a weakened state of mind etc. If that wasn't manipulation at its best then I don't know what is.

    ^) now commonly known as Shish-kebab and Loser

    I've had that thought for a little while when I saw the brand on top of the other crystals inside the instance. How did her body even get in there? lol

    Good question. Conspiracy theory confirmed. ;)

    Planting false information would indeed be quite the 4 dimensional underwater chess move by him, that would be a good twist actually.

    I think so, too. Hope we won't have to wait too long to find out what's going on.

  • @perilisk.1874 said:
    My idea:

    They'll reveal that she was primed to become an Elder Dragon in Glint's lair, but needed to get hit with a massive amount of energy to actually complete the transformation process. Note that, unlike in her vision, she wasn't actually branded despite taking the brunt of that breath attack. I think that's because she (or the magic given to her, anyway) absorbed the bulk of the energy, Kormir style-- though she still died regardless due to being impaled. That said, I don't think she can replace Kraalkatorik as a ghost, so resurrection is a necessary step 2 (and it provides a sort of narrative symmetry between her story and the PC's). Like forging the spear -- set the mold (Glint's trial), heat the material (thanks, Kraalk!), and then quench it (resurrection).

    There are several justifiable ways to pull off a dragon resurrection (doubt there's another Eater of Souls in Dragon Heaven, though), but there's a lot supporting the Joko theory -- one, it makes the manner of Joko's death essential to the plot, rather than just casually dispensing with a fan favorite character to move on with the dragon story. Two, they shoehorned in an awakened sylvari in the final fight -- an answer to a question no one has ever asked, but which pre-emptively justifies using Awakening magic on a purified minion of Kraalkatorik. Three, they've repeatedly indicated that divine magic (even from fallen gods) retains its nature after being absorbed by dragons, by pointing out that Balthazar's sword and priestess can sense his presence inside Aurene. Now, nothing so far has confirmed that Awakening is divine magic, and Joko certainly isn't a god whatever he might say. But comparing it with ordinary necromancy is like comparing the foefire with elementalism, and the raids usually have at least some tenuous connection to the larger plot, so... what if it's Underworld magic that Dhuum sealed away on general anti-undeath principle, and Joko (who seems plenty familiar with the Underworld) managed to get his hands on it? If she's still got it, then rumors of her mortality are drastically... overstated.

    I mean, sequestering herself away to commune with long-dead prophets before steeling herself to become the central player in an ancient plan that saves the world and fundamentally changes the metaphysics of reality by letting herself be pierced with spikes and then self-resurrecting after a bit, during which time all the people who though she would just show up and kick kitten scatter and grieve and starting wondering where it all went wrong... I mean, it's a little on the nose, right?

    Also explain why joko before aurene was such issue since they tried all and he just kept rising

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @maddoctor.2738 said:
    Aurene reviving because she ate Joko would be lazy writing.
    Keep in mind that Aurene sacrificed herself to save the commander, this means we are more important than her. If Aurene knew that she is the only hope for Tyria, she'd let us die and let our other friends work with her to save the world. Saving the commander means WE are more important than her in stopping Kralkatorrik, and not because we are the player.

    Wrong. She is a child. We are her parent. She loves us unconditionally. She would have sacrificed herself to save us no matter what.

    There is a slightly more cynical take -- she was willing to take the hit because she knew the PC was in close range, and the bond-effect would be active -- remember the first trial? the whole point was that when we were close together, it helped her to absorb energy that would otherwise damage her by dumping some of the burden on the PC. Basically, we're her ranger pet and she's running empathetic bond.

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    Her death didn't touch me. Never had a connection to her as she was sentient but not really speaking (aside from the through Caithe part). That didn't give me much empathy. I wondered why she never spoke. Glint could speak and the elder dragons too. Why not Aurene?

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:
    Her death didn't touch me. Never had a connection to her as she was sentient but not really speaking (aside from the through Caithe part). That didn't give me much empathy. I wondered why she never spoke. Glint could speak and the elder dragons too. Why not Aurene?

    Wrong. All Elder Dragons could only communicate telepathically, that means you could hear their voices only in your head. Glint had perfected her communication methods with humans, but Aurene is still a child and has not developed such skills yet. However, she could link with Caithe due to her sylvari nature and speak through her.

    By the way, Aurene was well designed in terms of being able to transmit emotions through her dragon-y reactions. The fact that you felt no empathy towards her is because of you, not her. ;)

    I actually got this though (telepathic communication) but wasn't 100% sure if true. Nonetheless, Aurene even didn't do that with you, and aside from being 'cute' - and I hate when done that intentional since it's done so obvious - there wasn't a lot of connection between us. There are so many games and movies which have so much deeper involvement (say Final Fantasy, Zelda, Mass Effect, Walking Dead Game etc.) which really move me. But not here. It just was too short and obvious to feel a great bond with her.

  • ScottBroChill.3254ScottBroChill.3254 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    I think theres something going on with the spirits being feasted on by kralk for energy, aurene going through the ascension process and defeating her mirrored self, Glint talking about dragon ascension, then as described on guild wars wiki ascension basically makes you immortal and have the ability to hop through the mists willy nilly. (She can already go through the mists, but I dont think that is enough without some final transformation step. Also, I think we will starve kralk by cutting off his ability to feast on spirits). Joko was immortal (as long as he had his magic), maybe ascended because he's like right next to the ascension place... So I think its safe to assume Aurene has ascended, and possesses abilities to live through physical death. Also, we are unaware that any energy was released by aurene, and she currently has a kitten-ton of power.

    Another thing I noticed is that kralks vision involved being defeated by aurene, and thats the whole reason he's going buck wild and stirring up all the other dragons. Basically hes doing an abbadon, and the other dragons by nature are trying to consume magic so kralk doesnt kill them. But, if he believes aurene is dead he might chill back a bit as his fear of defeat is no longer there.

    EDIT: hold up, snaff already wrestled with kralks mind so that may be a big part. Forgotten tried to convert kralk but weren't strong enough. Aurene can now enter minds, has brand abilities which is also kralks weakness, and yeah. Someone said something about kralk having blue branding on him when he dips out at the end. Could be something.

  • Sir Alric.5078Sir Alric.5078 Member ✭✭✭

    @Alimar.8760 said:
    Ok guys, please don't click on the spoiler unless you want major spoilers but these are my thoughts.

    1. Aurene ate Palawa Joko
    2. Palawa Joko is a lich.
    3. Joko can come back from the dead.
    4. Aurene can now come back from the dead.
    5. Please?
    6. Please tell me I'm right...
    7. cries

    Tell me you felt the same way. Also props to the new tech that introduced camera control and the custom animations for the last scene. Definitely adds a lot more to the game that I didn't know I wanted.

    I agree with you. I think that's pretty much the only solution that would make sense.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The joko angle makes no sense. In dying she would have released that magic as Joko did. Even if not, she has shown no signs of using such magic which we would have seen by now.

    The line about the lich bring dead in this suddenly appearing prophecy is merely a nod back to try and justify Jokos early death in the story given the backlash against how it was handled. And as for Aurene being sick, she did just eat centuries old rotting flesh held together by tar etc...

    Whatever the angle, Joko doesnt work as a solution.

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Kal Spiro.9745Kal Spiro.9745 Member ✭✭✭

    Out of curiosity, did no one notice that she Branded Kralk? The right side of his face was covered in her blue branding as he was pulling back.

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2019

    @Kal Spiro.9745 said:
    Out of curiosity, did no one notice that she Branded Kralk? The right side of his face was covered in her blue branding as he was pulling back.

    There's been idle speculation that it means she took over in full or partial control of him. I think it is more likely it is to show you she inflicted significant damage to him as their rival blasts hit together, esp since the landscape gets hit too

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Typh.8027Typh.8027 Member ✭✭

    It's all part of Glint's Plan, from I understand. Aurene had to sacrifice her mortal form to ascend? Making Kralkitorrik think she's dead could be an advantage too. Glint did say something about Ascension and had to tell/show Aurene something. But we have to wait and see. It'll be a devastating and long wait though.

  • ZeftheWicked.3076ZeftheWicked.3076 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm not really sure she's dead. I remember sei> @starhunter.6015 said:

    Don't think Aurene is down for the count, Glint told her something in secret, she didn't go poof like Vlast, Balthazar or spew out countless amounts of Magic upon death.
    Aurene may of ascended or in the process of doing so becoming even stronger.

    Possible. One thing that struck me is her "corpse". In her visions it didn't stop where it did - she was almost instantly fully crystallized into brand crystal. Clearly that's not taking place here. She is impaled but not corrupted or completely crystallized.

  • Alimar.8760Alimar.8760 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019

    @ZeftheWicked.3076 said:
    I'm not really sure she's dead. I remember sei> @starhunter.6015 said:

    Don't think Aurene is down for the count, Glint told her something in secret, she didn't go poof like Vlast, Balthazar or spew out countless amounts of Magic upon death.
    Aurene may of ascended or in the process of doing so becoming even stronger.

    Possible. One thing that struck me is her "corpse". In her visions it didn't stop where it did - she was almost instantly fully crystallized into brand crystal. Clearly that's not taking place here. She is impaled but not corrupted or completely crystallized.

    I think the point the story is also making is that every single time a dragon has had a vision. (Glint or Aurene) it has come true. But then we get story about how Kralk had a vision of him not being around. So who knows. The one thing is for certain, that visions can be perfect in their prediction, but flawed because of the perspective. Perhaps she did get impaled, but we do not know for certain if that is her actual "end." Perhaps it is, but perhaps there's something else going on. For all we know, her entire essence was absorbed by Kralk and that's just a husk while she "lives" on in Kralk. (Dunno, just putting random thoughts out there.)

  • @Alimar.8760 said:

    @ZeftheWicked.3076 said:
    I'm not really sure she's dead. I remember sei> @starhunter.6015 said:

    Don't think Aurene is down for the count, Glint told her something in secret, she didn't go poof like Vlast, Balthazar or spew out countless amounts of Magic upon death.
    Aurene may of ascended or in the process of doing so becoming even stronger.

    Possible. One thing that struck me is her "corpse". In her visions it didn't stop where it did - she was almost instantly fully crystallized into brand crystal. Clearly that's not taking place here. She is impaled but not corrupted or completely crystallized.

    I think the point the story is also making is that every single time a dragon has had a vision. (Glint or Aurene) it has come true. But then we get story about how Kralk had a vision of him not being around. So who knows. The one thing is for certain, that visions can be perfect in their prediction, but flawed because of the perspective. Perhaps she did get impaled, but we do not know for certain if that is her actual "end." Perhaps it is, but perhaps there's something else going on. For all we know, her entire essence was absorbed by Kralk and that's just a husk while she "lives" on in Kralk. (Dunno, just putting random thoughts out there.)

    Oh nice, she takes over Kralk's mind/body, like Snaff tried to do. That is a good theory !

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ascension is still at play here considering story dialogue.

  • Annette.6278Annette.6278 Member ✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019

    My thoughts about what happened.

    Glint: Scion, my beloved child, there are things about Ascension that can onnly be expressed between dragons.
    Glint: Champion, come forward and learn how this long journey began.

    Maybe Aurene's visions were controlled by Glint to make our little dragon prepared for the future. We gave her trust in us, we made a strong connection with her that she loves us too and loves so much that was able to sacrifice herself and start her "journey" to be Ascended. Is there any harder choice that anyone may accept and strongest one to show the love and true light soul? Someone can do it only if has another one to fight for and who loves us.

    Glint, once known as Glaust, was a champion and scion of the Elder Dragon Kralkatorrik. After the Forgotten had purified her from Kralkatorrik's corruption, she began empathizing with other races and turned against her master, devising a complex plan to preserve Tyria's magical balance by replacing Elder Dragons with equally powerful but less predatory entities, a plan in which her children Vlast and Aurene were intended to play a large role. (wiki)

    I really hope that everything is going as she planned and her children dead not for nothing but it's just a way for dragons to be Ascended and to replace another ones.

    The same thing that Dumbledore made with Harry Potter to kill Lord Voldemort.

  • I'm wondering if we're finally going to get a canon explanation as to how Glint survived being "killed" by the heroes if GW1 when they stole her egg. That is an actual thing that happened rather than the Easter egg that it originally seemed to be, considering that egg grew up to be Vlast and Glint herself commented on it during Edge of Destiny.

    Perhaps whatever Glint used to survive then is what she taught Aurene privately after the final trial?

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khanco.1584 said:
    I'm wondering if we're finally going to get a canon explanation as to how Glint survived being "killed" by the heroes if GW1 when they stole her egg. That is an actual thing that happened rather than the Easter egg that it originally seemed to be, considering that egg grew up to be Vlast and Glint herself commented on it during Edge of Destiny.

    Perhaps whatever Glint used to survive then is what she taught Aurene privately after the final trial?

    As bizarre as it sounds... if Glint understood the trials of Ascension well enough that she could run them herself for Aurene, does it mean she knows how to create Doppelgangers? Maybe it wasn't even Glint they fought.

  • OtakuModeEngage.8679OtakuModeEngage.8679 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019

    This is my theory. Aurene's death AND RETURN was all prohphesized by Glint. It was nessisary for Aurene to die in this battle so that we could deal enough damage to Kralkatoric, weakening him enough to allow us to kill him in the next battle. Of course, if Aurene dies, and we kill Kralkatoric without her, his rampaging magical energy will destroy the world, and of course, Glint probably didnt want to send Aurene to her death anyways. Thus she PLANNED for Aurene to consume Joko's magical energy, so that when Aurene died wounding Kralk, it would not be her end, and she would be able to return for the final battle with Kralk and thereby fullful her duty and consume his magic to become the next Elder Dragon.

    Proof:
    1. Joko was an Undead Linch, who essentially, could be killed, but would come back to life shortly after and thus could never permanantly die. The only reason we were able to kill him, is because Aurene devoured his magic that made him unkillable. That magic is now inside of Aurene, and thus could potentially transform her from a dragon, into a Linch Dragon, that cannot be permanently killed unless her magic is taken.
    2. When we meet Ogden at the priory, he mentions that one of the signs prophesized by Glint indicating that Aurene would be ready to battle Kralkatoric, is "the death of a Linch", coincidence or a well placed subtle hint? In my opinion, there are no coincidences in prophesies, and thus we must ask, why does a Linch need to die? The most obvious answer, is so that Aurene could die and come back.
    3. There is an Awakened Sylvari in the "Expanded Pact"... we know Sylvari cant be effected by other elder dragons, because they are already under the control of an Elder Dragon, and yet, she was able to be effected by Joko's Linch magic. This implies, if dragon minions can be effected by Linch magic, maybe dragons can too.

    In conclusion, even if Aurene does come back to life, and im certain she will, that does not make this episode/battle irrelevent or insignificant, because it was part of the plan, and was meant ro happen. When Aruene comes back to life, it wont be ANet just pulling somw random excuse out of their kitten as to how she survived, it was actually well planed story telling. The story has been leading in this direction for months. Aurene will return, this battle/her death wasnt in vain, rejoice!

  • OtakuModeEngage.8679OtakuModeEngage.8679 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019

    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Khanco.1584 said:
    I'm wondering if we're finally going to get a canon explanation as to how Glint survived being "killed" by the heroes if GW1 when they stole her egg. That is an actual thing that happened rather than the Easter egg that it originally seemed to be, considering that egg grew up to be Vlast and Glint herself commented on it during Edge of Destiny.

    Perhaps whatever Glint used to survive then is what she taught Aurene privately after the final trial?

    As bizarre as it sounds... if Glint understood the trials of Ascension well enough that she could run them herself for Aurene, does it mean she knows how to create Doppelgangers? Maybe it wasn't even Glint they fought.

    In my opinion, the option to kill her wasnt canon. Like playing Star Wars Knights of The Old Republic, you could choose the darkside or the lightside, but only the lightside choice was considered actual canon, the other options were just a fun, "what if" senario. The sequel game and companion books asumed you took the light side path. Of course, SW KOTOR is no longer considered canon after Disney took over, but thats not the point. Essentially, the killing of Glint never actually happened.

  • Talindra.4958Talindra.4958 Member ✭✭✭✭

    the story leading up to Aurene was hatched.. and being part of the story, PART of main character.. her death is not justifiable in this episode. It is like killing Hermione in Harry Potter, Sam in LOTR. this story is getting too dark to continue, killing one of main character.

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  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @OtakuModeEngage.8679 said:

    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Khanco.1584 said:
    I'm wondering if we're finally going to get a canon explanation as to how Glint survived being "killed" by the heroes if GW1 when they stole her egg. That is an actual thing that happened rather than the Easter egg that it originally seemed to be, considering that egg grew up to be Vlast and Glint herself commented on it during Edge of Destiny.

    Perhaps whatever Glint used to survive then is what she taught Aurene privately after the final trial?

    As bizarre as it sounds... if Glint understood the trials of Ascension well enough that she could run them herself for Aurene, does it mean she knows how to create Doppelgangers? Maybe it wasn't even Glint they fought.

    In my opinion, the option to kill her wasnt canon. Like playing Star Wars Knights of The Old Republic, you could choose the darkside or the lightside, but only the lightside choice was considered actual canon, the other options were just a fun, "what if" senario. The sequel game and companion books asumed you took the light side path. Of course, SW KOTOR is no longer considered canon after Disney took over, but thats not the point. Essentially, the killing of Glint never actually happened.

    I had always thought that was the case. I mean, it really made no sense as a mission objective. "Hey, thanks for helping me, beneficient creature. Now, I'm gonna kidnap your kids and kill you. That's how heroes roll."

    On the other hand, she certainly put enough effort into killing the heroes before they reached her. Frickin' environmental effects. Payback's a kitty.

  • Harper.4173Harper.4173 Member ✭✭✭

    @ProtoGunner.4953 said:
    Her death didn't touch me. Never had a connection to her as she was sentient but not really speaking (aside from the through Caithe part). That didn't give me much empathy. I wondered why she never spoke. Glint could speak and the elder dragons too. Why not Aurene?

    Exactly - I wasn't sad she died - I was actually relieved. Now the story can go in other interesting ways and stop focusing on the same boring dragon replacement we've been growing for so long.
    I dislike the character - i hope it stays dead.

  • nanomidgy.9180nanomidgy.9180 Member ✭✭
    edited January 11, 2019

    @Kalendraf.9521 said:
    My hunch is that before they can ascend, a dragon (and perhaps any god-like being) needs to die. In other words, the final step to ascension is unlocking immortality by ultimately triumphing over their own death.

    Yes, indeed. This is exactly what I'm thinking as well. It's one of Aurene's trials for ascension to become an elder dragon. 👍
    (could be the first one since the vision showed in previous episode that she died in same position over and over)

    When I saw some ppl mentioned she consumed Joko and she might return as awakened, I also had another thought: the power she gained from Joko actually helped her even out the impact this time and she's now asleep/in a transitioning stage. Thought it might seem she's been impaled to death physically, but it's only from our perspective as mortals, as a mythic being such as a dragon, the term of 'death' might work differently and she shall return in its due time with a new status or even a new form.

    We shall see...

  • @OtakuModeEngage.8679 said:

    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Khanco.1584 said:
    I'm wondering if we're finally going to get a canon explanation as to how Glint survived being "killed" by the heroes if GW1 when they stole her egg. That is an actual thing that happened rather than the Easter egg that it originally seemed to be, considering that egg grew up to be Vlast and Glint herself commented on it during Edge of Destiny.

    Perhaps whatever Glint used to survive then is what she taught Aurene privately after the final trial?

    As bizarre as it sounds... if Glint understood the trials of Ascension well enough that she could run them herself for Aurene, does it mean she knows how to create Doppelgangers? Maybe it wasn't even Glint they fought.

    In my opinion, the option to kill her wasnt canon. Like playing Star Wars Knights of The Old Republic, you could choose the darkside or the lightside, but only the lightside choice was considered actual canon, the other options were just a fun, "what if" senario. The sequel game and companion books asumed you took the light side path. Of course, SW KOTOR is no longer considered canon after Disney took over, but thats not the point. Essentially, the killing of Glint never actually happened.

    That's what I was trying to bring up though. If the killing of Glint never happened then the egg would never have been stolen and so Vlast (originally Gleam) would never have been born. It's a weird plot inconsistency that I saw bought up a while back; in order for major plot points to happen canonically in GW2 then events that were previously considered non-canon in GW1 had to have happened. As of yet it hasn't been addressed in any form

  • @Khanco.1584 said:

    @OtakuModeEngage.8679 said:

    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Khanco.1584 said:
    I'm wondering if we're finally going to get a canon explanation as to how Glint survived being "killed" by the heroes if GW1 when they stole her egg. That is an actual thing that happened rather than the Easter egg that it originally seemed to be, considering that egg grew up to be Vlast and Glint herself commented on it during Edge of Destiny.

    Perhaps whatever Glint used to survive then is what she taught Aurene privately after the final trial?

    As bizarre as it sounds... if Glint understood the trials of Ascension well enough that she could run them herself for Aurene, does it mean she knows how to create Doppelgangers? Maybe it wasn't even Glint they fought.

    In my opinion, the option to kill her wasnt canon. Like playing Star Wars Knights of The Old Republic, you could choose the darkside or the lightside, but only the lightside choice was considered actual canon, the other options were just a fun, "what if" senario. The sequel game and companion books asumed you took the light side path. Of course, SW KOTOR is no longer considered canon after Disney took over, but thats not the point. Essentially, the killing of Glint never actually happened.

    That's what I was trying to bring up though. If the killing of Glint never happened then the egg would never have been stolen and so Vlast (originally Gleam) would never have been born. It's a weird plot inconsistency that I saw bought up a while back; in order for major plot points to happen canonically in GW2 then events that were previously considered non-canon in GW1 had to have happened. As of yet it hasn't been addressed in any form

    Vlast/Gleam wasnt stolen as an egg... he was hatched in an underground forgotten/Exaulted city in the crystal destert, later on, for whatever unknown reason, he went north with the dwarves, where we then had to protect him from destroyers.

  • TwiceDead.1963TwiceDead.1963 Member ✭✭✭

    I'd rather they didn't bring her back. That entire scene was handled and directed quite brilliantly. It would really cheapen the moment if they just undid it with some "LOLJK GUYS SHE'S OK BOSH!"

    Death should be a consequence, not an inconvenience.

  • It seems that a lot of people support the theory that Aurene will come back from the dead because she ate Joko, but.... Kralkatorrik has been traveling through the Mists. From my understanding since Aurene is now dead, she is in the Mists, and since Kralkatorrik uses the Mists as a way to travel between places then it is still possible for Aurene to absorb Kralkatorrik's power by defeating him in the Mists.

  • perilisk.1874perilisk.1874 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Biohazard.2043 said:
    It seems that a lot of people support the theory that Aurene will come back from the dead because she ate Joko, but.... Kralkatorrik has been traveling through the Mists. From my understanding since Aurene is now dead, she is in the Mists, and since Kralkatorrik uses the Mists as a way to travel between places then it is still possible for Aurene to absorb Kralkatorrik's power by defeating him in the Mists.

    So, why couldn't Glint have done that?

  • @TwiceDead.1963 said:
    I'd rather they didn't bring her back. That entire scene was handled and directed quite brilliantly. It would really cheapen the moment if they just undid it with some "LOLJK GUYS SHE'S OK BOSH!"

    Death should be a consequence, not an inconvenience.

    Its no less brilliant if it was intended for her to die and come back in such a way, if the story has for the last year slowly been leading in this direction, dropping little hint and lore that suggest her return, then its by no means cheap, but rather well staged story arch and character development.

    In fact, I find her resurrection more realistic and acceptable than our own. When the commander died, they pulled a random excuse for us to come back to life, but when Aurene died, the lore is already there, the story has been leading up to it rather than randomly forcing it in.

    As for death needing to be severe/threatening, i agree completely.. which is why they should never do this again. But given the situation, I think its acceptable this time.

  • @Biohazard.2043 said:
    It seems that a lot of people support the theory that Aurene will come back from the dead because she ate Joko, but.... Kralkatorrik has been traveling through the Mists. From my understanding since Aurene is now dead, she is in the Mists, and since Kralkatorrik uses the Mists as a way to travel between places then it is still possible for Aurene to absorb Kralkatorrik's power by defeating him in the Mists.

    No... why would she be in the mist? Joke revived almost instantly after we killed him. Honestly, I think thats why they ended the instance they very moment we found her dead. To leave the suspence, any longer and we might have seen her crystal begin to crack.

  • @OtakuModeEngage.8679 said:

    Vlast/Gleam wasnt stolen as an egg... he was hatched in an underground forgotten/Exaulted city in the crystal destert, later on, for whatever unknown reason, he went north with the dwarves, where we then had to protect him from destroyers.

    Oh hey yeah... Don't know how that one slipped my mind.

  • Alimar.8760Alimar.8760 Member ✭✭✭

    In Guild Wars 1, was it Vlast or Aurene's egg that we guarded in EOTN challenge dungeon? Or was it a different egg altogether?

  • Zeivu.3615Zeivu.3615 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2019

    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Biohazard.2043 said:
    It seems that a lot of people support the theory that Aurene will come back from the dead because she ate Joko, but.... Kralkatorrik has been traveling through the Mists. From my understanding since Aurene is now dead, she is in the Mists, and since Kralkatorrik uses the Mists as a way to travel between places then it is still possible for Aurene to absorb Kralkatorrik's power by defeating him in the Mists.

    So, why couldn't Glint have done that?

    The amount of magic Kralkatorrik has absorbed is through the roof and has a higher baseline than the first fight with Destiny's Edge. I don't think Glint could do it by herself alone, considering it wasn't enough the first time. But if Vlast and Aurene is with her, she might stand a chance.

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zeivu.3615 said:

    @perilisk.1874 said:

    @Biohazard.2043 said:
    It seems that a lot of people support the theory that Aurene will come back from the dead because she ate Joko, but.... Kralkatorrik has been traveling through the Mists. From my understanding since Aurene is now dead, she is in the Mists, and since Kralkatorrik uses the Mists as a way to travel between places then it is still possible for Aurene to absorb Kralkatorrik's power by defeating him in the Mists.

    So, why couldn't Glint have done that?

    The amount of magic Kralkatorrik has absorbed is through the roof and has a higher baseline than the first fight with Destiny's Edge. I don't think Glint could do it by herself alone, considering it wasn't enough the first time. But if Vlast and Aurene is with her, she might stand a chance.

    But if she really died how would the power she’s gained carry over with her into the mists instead of just being released back into Tyria? In which case the trials and changes this episode and all other events giving Aurene the power boost she had would have been pointless. There’s just no reason to have gone through what we went through from a story perspective if the solution all along was to get Aurene and Glint together. And if that were the case then why send Eir, Snaff and gang through the mists instead of Glint herself just entering Tyria to help Aurene.....

  • Hybarf Tics.2048Hybarf Tics.2048 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2019

    This maybe wishful thinking at this point, but from everything I've seen it leads me to think Aurene may not be dead after all. When the blast occurred your character was thrown perhaps over a hundred feet she was unconscious, when she wakes up it all seems to me like she was in a dream state. Did your character really wake up or even in a coma? In her nightmarish mind it might be her worst scenario come true. In conclusion I think it is all in her mind and Aurene isn't really dead. If it's Anet's way of playing a trick on us by giving us a sad cliffhanger cool, if not it stinks. I don't like the idea of her going through training even getting a new power to then simply die not even full grown. I hope in episode six, she really wakes up and walks back to find that all is well and Aurene is Alive. B)

  • Honestly since pof death means nothing to the story, and they kept making it meaningless. Pof you literally self resurrect. Episode 2, they show how you can cheat death by implanting your conciousness inyo a golem. Episode 3 show that being turned off does not kill you when you are in that golem. This makes episode 4s sacrifice kinda pointless because if we recover the "tracker", blish could be turned back on. Episode 3 show a character that can not die, until consume by a dragon, which can steal powers.
    Now if this is anets attempt to create an end times story, similar to warhammer fantasy battles, that would kill the franchise and my view of the company, just like gamesworkshop.

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Shadowmoon.7986 said:
    Honestly since pof death means nothing to the story, and they kept making it meaningless. Pof you literally self resurrect. Episode 2, they show how you can cheat death by implanting your conciousness inyo a golem. Episode 3 show that being turned off does not kill you when you are in that golem. This makes episode 4s sacrifice kinda pointless because if we recover the "tracker", blish could be turned back on. Episode 3 show a character that can not die, until consume by a dragon, which can steal powers.
    Now if this is anets attempt to create an end times story, similar to warhammer fantasy battles, that would kill the franchise and my view of the company, just like

    You could argue similarly about the existence of the mists and us being able to travel to them and that’s long before pof, no different than real life mythologies and underworld or afterlife travel really.

  • Abraxxus.8971Abraxxus.8971 Member ✭✭✭

    If they bring her back, it just cheapens all the effort they put into the end of this episode. She should remain in the mists. And while we're at it, can we de-brand Caithe? That scene, to me, was garbage, nothing more than shock value. "Speak through me". Aurene and the Commander already had a bond. Aurene could have just as easily spoke to or through the Commander by telepathy without branding a core character. Personally it would have been more impactful if we started hearing a juvenile Aurene start talking in broken words in our mind than having Caithe get branded. Imagine how much more of an impact the ending would have had if the last thing you heard in your mind was Aurene saying "I love you" right before the end.

    Bring back Ceara

  • Zoid.2568Zoid.2568 Member ✭✭✭

    The ending was perfect! I always thought it would end like a fairy tale and we would actually kill Krall. I am glad it did not happen. Arune's death was necessary. Overall I think the story in GW2 is a bit cheesy and laid back. I want more realness instead of pretentiousness. Aurene was a good character in the story and I actually felt shocked when I found out she was dead. It had impact. The way she was pierced by those crystals like she was a hero who died valiantly. The final hope to save Tyria. Now dead.

    What will happen next? Interesting!

  • Zoid.2568Zoid.2568 Member ✭✭✭

    @Abraxxus.8971 said:
    If they bring her back, it just cheapens all the effort they put into the end of this episode. She should remain in the mists. And while we're at it, can we de-brand Caithe? That scene, to me, was garbage, nothing more than shock value. "Speak through me". Aurene and the Commander already had a bond. Aurene could have just as easily spoke to or through the Commander by telepathy without branding a core character. Personally it would have been more impactful if we started hearing a juvenile Aurene start talking in broken words in our mind than having Caithe get branded. Imagine how much more of an impact the ending would have had if the last thing you heard in your mind was Aurene saying "I love you" right before the end.

    Did the branded Caithe even get more powerful or anything useful. I don't think so. Maybe they wanted to show that Aurene can turn Kralkattorik's branded into Aurene branded. That would be something useful. Let's say there is an army of krall branded and all Aurene has to do is fly over them and turn them into her servants.

  • My theory on this:

    Initially I was angry about the way they ended it, but then I sat back and replayed it over and over. My question is what did we really see? And what's being ignored or forgotten? Aurene foresaw her own death multiple times. I think no matter whatever outcome it was meant for her to 'die'. Or at least to appear dead. I think some of the NPCs were trying to intentionally evoke emotions of 'Oh no! We can't let Aurene die!' to throw players off. When Glint spoke to her about Ascension in secret this must be one of the steps. Also, Ogden either talks in first person plural often or something is up. (When Caithe and Commander talks to Ogden.)

    There's a moment where we fight Kralk and it seems like he channels Balthazar's, Modremoth's, and Zhaitan's energies to nuke us (At the same time Braham tries to shield us, lol) and Aurene shields us from the blast. Then at the end Kralk plays possum and does it again, but doesn't channel? But she doesn't shield instead she does the same thing the vision showed.

    Glint said you have to know when not to use power at all. Couldn't she have shielded us again? Or was she tired? We don't really see what happens after that. All we see is Kralk retreating and we see Aurene impaled. Shouldn't the magic she absorbed be released if she was truly dead? Was it absorbed by Kralk before he left? Who knows...

    TLDR; I think she had to die to put Kralk in a false sense of victory. He's so afraid of the prophecy coming true that he would do anything to stop it. He believed that killing Aurene stops the prophecy. But, I believe it does the exact opposite. It continues. She's either dead to be reborn or in a coma/chrysalis state.

    P.S. I love the ghostly messenger. And Kito was unusually quiet. He's always there but never says a word. Like a shadow...

  • Taygus.4571Taygus.4571 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Abraxxus.8971 said:
    If they bring her back, it just cheapens all the effort they put into the end of this episode. She should remain in the mists. And while we're at it, can we de-brand Caithe? That scene, to me, was garbage, nothing more than shock value. "Speak through me". Aurene and the Commander already had a bond. Aurene could have just as easily spoke to or through the Commander by telepathy without branding a core character. Personally it would have been more impactful if we started hearing a juvenile Aurene start talking in broken words in our mind than having Caithe get branded. Imagine how much more of an impact the ending would have had if the last thing you heard in your mind was Aurene saying "I love you" right before the end.

    I love branded Caithe tho. And really want to be able to choose a branded look for sylvari now xD.

  • Quick reminder that the Commander also died before, and that Kralkatorrik lives in the mists.

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