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Dragon corruption

hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
edited January 16, 2019 in January 2019: LWS4 Episode 5

That map is special, we are at a limit where jormag minions, primordius and branded could "cohabit".
Indeed: Destroyers in Mount maelstrom and Icebroods in Snowen drifts. (Branded where we are, Thunderhead peaks) :)

I noticed something when travelling through maps recently: Does an elder dragon avoid to corrupt minions already corrupted by another dragon? They are 0 map since the beginning where you can meet two types of draconic minions! And if it was the case, would they fight together? I don't think so but maybe? :p

But here is where I arrive: They are 0 branded asuras or sylvaris. Why? They are located on mordremoth domain. Whereas we can find risen asuras due to the pact presence in Orr. But then, who is corrupted by primordius? We never saw fire-asuras... oh wait.. asuras turn into destroyers when corrupted? That's strange. Argh it's easier with kralkatorrik! So now, asuras and sylvaris have more chances to become branded... ;o

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  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Oh thanks for that helpful answer! Ah Primordus he is special.. maybe he is the nicer elder dragon after all.

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  • @hugo.4705 said:
    Oh thanks for that helpful answer! Ah Primordus he is special.. maybe he is the nicer elder dragon after all.

    I can assure you he has a very warm embrace.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Could dragon minions be corrupted if whichever dragon they belong to was killed? Like, could Sylvari now be corruptible since Mordremoth is gone?

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Ah thx! Got the same question in my head too! :p

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  • Some current events have caused dragon minions to collide, and they will fight each other. I think this happened in The Mordrem invasion and ley energy collecting.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Doesn't Subject Alpha show that multi corruption is possible though?

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2019

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Doesn't Subject Alpha show that multi corruption is possible though?

    Yeah and simulacrum of subject Beta too in sandswept my guess is dragons are avoiding themselves, but you can force it like anything else through experimentation.
    Impossible isn't Inquest! (Should become my new catchphrase.. xD)

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  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What about what happened at the end of the second story instance of this episode? Not to give out any spoilers.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2019

    @Andrew Gray.5816 said:
    Dragon Minions cannot be corrupted by other dragons. That's why the Sylvari are immune to Zhaitan's magic in Orr.

    But it was stated in-game that the immunity came from the Pale Tree's protection during Season 2, and this was restated in the promotions for Heart of Thorns as if to reaffirm any doubt that the prior statements were due to the unknown revelation:

    Pale Tree: There are those who reject my protection. It leaves them vulnerable in ways they cannot imagine, in ways they never were before. I shield you as best I can and will for as long as I can.
    PC:You're talking about dragon corruption. We've been immune to it.
    Pale Tree: Yes. In the past, my children have been immune. But Mordremoth's corruption is powerful, and just as Zhaitan created the undead from so many creatures, so Mordremoth's corruption can change you.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rallying_Call

    PC: Sylvari were invulnerable to corruption. But not with Mordremoth. Why?
    Ogden Stonehealer: You refer to Scarlet and Aerin. Similar symptoms. Yes.
    Ogden Stonehealer: I am no expert, but they're immature as a race. Their concept of nightmare and Dream is simplistic at best.
    Ogden Stonehealer: Too black and white, too unsophisticated to explain the changes affecting some of them.
    Ogden Stonehealer: The Pale Tree is said to protect them from the corruption of the other dragons. They both rejected her, no?
    Ogden Stonehealer: It makes sense that sylvari would be vulnerable to Mordremoth, a plant-based being like themselves.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hidden_Arcana#At_the_Durmand_Priory

    The Elder Dragon can implant thoughts in its creations—thoughts they may even believe to be their own—and only a combination of immense willpower and the protection of the Pale Tree can prevent Mordremoth from taking control.
    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/points-of-interest-episode-18-summary/

    So request for clarify: Is the PoI article being retconned under the usual "what happens in-game take canonical precedence", or is the Points of Interest article incorrect/misleading and refers to something other than the immunity to dragon corruption the phrase was used for months prior?

    And how does Subject Alpha, Kudu's Monster, and Subject Beta, all of whom show multiple dragons' corruption, fit into this?

  • @Matt H.6142 said:
    Some current events have caused dragon minions to collide, and they will fight each other. I think this happened in The Mordrem invasion and ley energy collecting.

    We actually have only seen dragon minions interact with each other in CoE, when they are apparently under Alpha's control.

    The Mordrem Invasion did have a mordrem event at a spot a destroyer event occurs, and they could occur simultaneously, but the mordrem in the invasions were set to invisible / neutral to all other NPCs, so the only way to get the destroyers and mordrem to fight - or mordrem and NC, or mordrem and centaur, or mordrem and bears - would be to get the mordrem to damage a destroyer or vice versa while they're attacking players.

  • Walhalla.5473Walhalla.5473 Member ✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Doesn't Subject Alpha show that multi corruption is possible though?

    Not only Subject Alpha, but Kudu's Monster from CoE Story Mode and Subject Beta also show that cross corruption is possible and if the Inquest can do this, the Elder Dragons should also be able to do multi corruptions. My guess was always that a minions doesn't switch its master when its corruted by another dragon. Basically that a Risen who got branded would still be loyal to Zhaitan instead of switching over to Kralkatorrik

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Andrew Gray.5816 said:
    Dragon Minions cannot be corrupted by other dragons. That's why the Sylvari are immune to Zhaitan's magic in Orr.

    But it was stated in-game that the immunity came from the Pale Tree's protection during Season 2, and this was restated in the promotions for Heart of Thorns as if to reaffirm any doubt that the prior statements were due to the unknown revelation:

    Pale Tree: There are those who reject my protection. It leaves them vulnerable in ways they cannot imagine, in ways they never were before. I shield you as best I can and will for as long as I can.
    PC:You're talking about dragon corruption. We've been immune to it.
    Pale Tree: Yes. In the past, my children have been immune. But Mordremoth's corruption is powerful, and just as Zhaitan created the undead from so many creatures, so Mordremoth's corruption can change you.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rallying_Call

    PC: Sylvari were invulnerable to corruption. But not with Mordremoth. Why?
    Ogden Stonehealer: You refer to Scarlet and Aerin. Similar symptoms. Yes.
    Ogden Stonehealer: I am no expert, but they're immature as a race. Their concept of nightmare and Dream is simplistic at best.
    Ogden Stonehealer: Too black and white, too unsophisticated to explain the changes affecting some of them.
    Ogden Stonehealer: The Pale Tree is said to protect them from the corruption of the other dragons. They both rejected her, no?
    Ogden Stonehealer: It makes sense that sylvari would be vulnerable to Mordremoth, a plant-based being like themselves.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hidden_Arcana#At_the_Durmand_Priory

    The Elder Dragon can implant thoughts in its creations—thoughts they may even believe to be their own—and only a combination of immense willpower and the protection of the Pale Tree can prevent Mordremoth from taking control.
    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/points-of-interest-episode-18-summary/

    So request for clarify: Is the PoI article being retconned under the usual "what happens in-game take canonical precedence", or is the Points of Interest article incorrect/misleading and refers to something other than the immunity to dragon corruption the phrase was used for months prior?

    And how does Subject Alpha, Kudu's Monster, and Subject Beta, all of whom show multiple dragons' corruption, fit into this?

    I noticed a lot of the quotes from Ogden and the Pale Tree are before Sylvari were discovered to be dragon minions. It’s possible that Ogden has incorrect information and that the Pale Tree is an unreliable narrator, trying to still guard her secret. It would simplify the story though, if it’s because Sylvari are dragon minions, that they couldn’t be corrupted.

  • @Tyson.5160 said:
    I noticed a lot of the quotes from Ogden and the Pale Tree are before Sylvari were discovered to be dragon minions. It’s possible that Ogden has incorrect information and that the Pale Tree is an unreliable narrator, trying to still guard her secret. It would simplify the story though, if it’s because Sylvari are dragon minions, that they couldn’t be corrupted.

    Hence my addition of post-reveal that restates it from an Word of God (thus not unreliable narrator) source.

    And I would disagree about it simplifying. Because it raises the questions about Subject Alpha, Kudu's Monster, and even Caithe in this new episode even being possible. And you then have to create some convoluted "well, dragon minions can't be corrupted by other dragons except in xyz situations". Whereas with the Dream being the protection, it would then be some external force preventing corruption, similar to the Forgotten's/Exalted's magic being incorruptible.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

    @Tyson.5160 said:
    I noticed a lot of the quotes from Ogden and the Pale Tree are before Sylvari were discovered to be dragon minions. It’s possible that Ogden has incorrect information and that the Pale Tree is an unreliable narrator, trying to still guard her secret. It would simplify the story though, if it’s because Sylvari are dragon minions, that they couldn’t be corrupted.

    Hence my addition of post-reveal that restates it from an Word of God (thus not unreliable narrator) source.

    Sorry, I didn’t see the reference.

    "well, dragon minions can't be corrupted by other dragons except in xyz situations". .

    I suspect this will be the result.

  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I do wonder if Subject Alpha and Kudu’s monster were exposed to several different dragon energies at the same time. One should really ask the question if a human is placed in an arena and is shot by equal amounts of dragon energy from 4 different dragon sources, whose minion does it become?

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