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  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @Celsith.2753 said:
    If your world is desperate for that supply drop, they probably need you in real wvw......
    I don't see why you should get rewards for playing in the map designed to give people somewhere to hang around when wvw maps are all full. Want wvw rewards, do wvw.

    well, clearly you've never experienced getting whitewashed feels like, left with only spawn spots nothing else across all maps, capping a camp only provides 100 supplies, insufficient to reclaim a keep

    and if it happens to be defended, you will need a lot more supplies to reclaim it

    You are absolutely correct.
    Even in the most imbalanced matches in the most absurdly off-kilter time zone, noone has ever managed to spawncamp all four maps. You're presenting a fictional scenario.

    [HUNT] the predatory instinct

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

    Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

    Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map.

    But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed.

    If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it.

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2019

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

    Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map.

    But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed.

    If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it.

    and the karma, or at least half of it, from what I know I think it's everything, but I might know wrong, lol. And the ranks and the shinnyes, but I agree that those things were not supposed to be there, or at least be half.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

    Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map.

    But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed.

    If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it.

    This. Exactly this. The map is still there.

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2019

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

    Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map.

    But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed.

    If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it.

    This. Exactly this. The map is still there.

    ok, let's imagine they removing all the rewards from all game mods, game would be dead in 2 months.

    Oh but if game was good ppl would still be playing it

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

    Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map.

    But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed.

    If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it.

    This. Exactly this. The map is still there.

    ok, let's imagine they removing all the rewards from all game mods, game would be dead in 2 months.

    Oh but if game was good ppl would still be playing it

    Sure, if they removed all rewards.

    But they didn’t from EOTM. Reward tracks, World XP, WvW dailies, and to my knowledge, Karma.

    No regular XP. That was removed. From both WvW and from EoTM.

    Again, if it was such a great map, people would play it. But it’s not. They played it to level. They do that differently now.

    People want to add pips to it so that instead of leveling, they will just grind the skirmish tracks for their Legendary Armor.

  • Celsith.2753Celsith.2753 Member ✭✭✭

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

    I wouldn't care if EoTM gave exp to level characters or karma. The people claiming it was a good intro to wvw... maybe if your idea of wvw is a giant keep trading karma train? Which is all EoTM was at its busiest. Or has everyone forgotten the 3way same guild tags in comms rotating round a map and avoiding each other?

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  • Celsith.2753Celsith.2753 Member ✭✭✭

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @Celsith.2753 said:
    If your world is desperate for that supply drop, they probably need you in real wvw......
    I don't see why you should get rewards for playing in the map designed to give people somewhere to hang around when wvw maps are all full. Want wvw rewards, do wvw.

    well, clearly you've never experienced getting whitewashed feels like, left with only spawn spots nothing else across all maps, capping a camp only provides 100 supplies, insufficient to reclaim a keep

    and if it happens to be defended, you will need a lot more supplies to reclaim it

    Impossible scenario, 4 maps with 3 exits each. I've never experienced feeling its hopeless and running off to EoTM instead though, you are correct on that. I've always managed somehow.

    885k+ WvW kills
    Diamond No Life
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  • CETheLucid.3964CETheLucid.3964 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2019

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @oOStaticOo.9467 said:
    Put Pips rewards in EOTM. Just make them a little bit slower or harder to get than WvW. Some people enjoy the EOTM map more than the WvW maps. Some people prefer the fighting from WvW more than EOTM. Overall I think it would balance out those that are serious about WvW and those that just want to have fun and get rewards. Heck it might even balance out the servers that want fights vs. servers that just want to karma train so you get more fight guilds vs. fight guilds.

    forget pips, give us Box of WvW Supplies as reward in EotM and you will see hordes of players back in to farm for wxp

    Which would bring back the original issue with that map where players were farming it rather than actually doing WvW.

    Once again being negative

    dont see how it would split the player base? as each mode offers different rewards.

    EBG and BL = Pips (Tickets and shards) and Quicker Reward Tracks
    EotM = Box of WvW Supplies (Liquid WXP, EXP Booster, free Seige schematics and food, all the stuffs to prep you for wvw battle :wink: ) and Slower Reward Track, PLUS it is supporting WvW through supply drops at home citadel; and Anet can throw in WvW duelling Arena so they can stop taking up space when there's 30+ ppl stuck in the queue trying to get in EBG and BL

    At the end of a 30 min EoTM session players at t6 participation get a Box of WvW Supplies. Maybe lower the participation gain further to balance. EoTM is easier so it should be harder to gain participation if you're going to add that.

    Main WvW offers faster participation, pips, tickets, the real WvW experience. But a Box of WvW Supplies per EoTM session would be pretty good. I like this idea.

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    lol, they still hate the map, you can see by the comments

    I hate eotm cuz it's killing wvw

    nerf eotm

    wvw even worse

    I was wrong about eotm killing wvw, now I hate eotm even more cuz I was wrong

  • Curunen.8729Curunen.8729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    They really really need to enable gliding in eotm. Would make the place a lot more fun.

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  • Hyper Cutter.9376Hyper Cutter.9376 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2019

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    Reminds me of when "real" WvW players barked and whined to Anet about people "wasting" space on the borderlands by using the crafting stations, causing Anet to remove them entirely (and with them, a supply of new blood for the game mode from people who came to use them on the advice of other players and decided to stay).

  • Before I took a hiatus I loved EoTM. Yeah, I'm probably one of the people hardcore WvW players complained about; I don't enjoy 'real' WvW, I find it intimidating, but wanted to get some of the WvW experience and rewards in a more laidback environment, and EoTM was perfect for that. Not to mention it was a much more entertaining way to level up alts. My friends and I had hours of fun there.

    Coming back after a few years to find it dead was so depressing. I'm pretty bummed about it. Now I'm stuck grinding for suitable WvW armor for suitable WvW builds so I can have no fun playing a frustrating game mode for a chance to get some of the WvW rewards. Alas.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kettering.6823 said:
    Before I took a hiatus I loved EoTM. Yeah, I'm probably one of the people hardcore WvW players complained about; I don't enjoy 'real' WvW, I find it intimidating, but wanted to get some of the WvW experience and rewards in a more laidback environment, and EoTM was perfect for that. Not to mention it was a much more entertaining way to level up alts. My friends and I had hours of fun there.

    Coming back after a few years to find it dead was so depressing. I'm pretty bummed about it. Now I'm stuck grinding for suitable WvW armor for suitable WvW builds so I can have no fun playing a frustrating game mode for a chance to get some of the WvW rewards. Alas.

    So..,, you want suitable WvW armor and builds for... what? If you played EoTM, the builds there were.... Zerk. Only.

    Again,, the rewards are better elsewhere. If WvW rewards are the reason you are ‘grinding’ maybe look to a different area?

    The only thing you can get in WvW over EoTM are pips and legendary armor.

    You can get that elsewhere.

  • @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @kettering.6823 said:
    Before I took a hiatus I loved EoTM. Yeah, I'm probably one of the people hardcore WvW players complained about; I don't enjoy 'real' WvW, I find it intimidating, but wanted to get some of the WvW experience and rewards in a more laidback environment, and EoTM was perfect for that. Not to mention it was a much more entertaining way to level up alts. My friends and I had hours of fun there.

    Coming back after a few years to find it dead was so depressing. I'm pretty bummed about it. Now I'm stuck grinding for suitable WvW armor for suitable WvW builds so I can have no fun playing a frustrating game mode for a chance to get some of the WvW rewards. Alas.

    So..,, you want suitable WvW armor and builds for... what? If you played EoTM, the builds there were.... Zerk. Only.

    Again,, the rewards are better elsewhere. If WvW rewards are the reason you are ‘grinding’ maybe look to a different area?

    The only thing you can get in WvW over EoTM are pips and legendary armor.

    You can get that elsewhere.

    I can't get Triumphant armor skins anywhere but WvW. I like to collect all the skins (yada yada Fashion Wars 2), so unfortunately I do need to play the game mode to get them. I need to get suitable WvW armor and builds to play there or else I'm (probably) gonna get kitten at. :^ )

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2019

    @Celsith.2753 said:

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @Celsith.2753 said:
    If your world is desperate for that supply drop, they probably need you in real wvw......
    I don't see why you should get rewards for playing in the map designed to give people somewhere to hang around when wvw maps are all full. Want wvw rewards, do wvw.

    well, clearly you've never experienced getting whitewashed feels like, left with only spawn spots nothing else across all maps, capping a camp only provides 100 supplies, insufficient to reclaim a keep

    and if it happens to be defended, you will need a lot more supplies to reclaim it

    Impossible scenario, 4 maps with 3 exits each. I've never experienced feeling its hopeless and running off to EoTM instead though, you are correct on that. I've always managed somehow.

    impossible?

    how's this? We (SoS) pretty much white washed all 4 maps on Week 49 of 2018, all SoR had was pretty much a camp or a tower at a times

    dont know how SoR felt (must have sucked)... but it was so boring for us SoS ppl.
    some people switched world with their secondary accounts to cap towers and keeps so we can get our dailies done

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @kettering.6823 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @kettering.6823 said:
    Before I took a hiatus I loved EoTM. Yeah, I'm probably one of the people hardcore WvW players complained about; I don't enjoy 'real' WvW, I find it intimidating, but wanted to get some of the WvW experience and rewards in a more laidback environment, and EoTM was perfect for that. Not to mention it was a much more entertaining way to level up alts. My friends and I had hours of fun there.

    Coming back after a few years to find it dead was so depressing. I'm pretty bummed about it. Now I'm stuck grinding for suitable WvW armor for suitable WvW builds so I can have no fun playing a frustrating game mode for a chance to get some of the WvW rewards. Alas.

    So..,, you want suitable WvW armor and builds for... what? If you played EoTM, the builds there were.... Zerk. Only.

    Again,, the rewards are better elsewhere. If WvW rewards are the reason you are ‘grinding’ maybe look to a different area?

    The only thing you can get in WvW over EoTM are pips and legendary armor.

    You can get that elsewhere.

    I can't get Triumphant armor skins anywhere but WvW. I like to collect all the skins (yada yada Fashion Wars 2), so unfortunately I do need to play the game mode to get them. I need to get suitable WvW armor and builds to play there or else I'm (probably) gonna get kitten at. :^ )

    Fair enough.

    For me, I would love the raid armor. And to me, opening EoTM to pips would be like giving me LIs for taking down bosses in T-3 fractals.

  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2019

    @Hyper Cutter.9376 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    Reminds me of when "real" WvW players barked and whined to Anet about people "wasting" space on the borderlands by using the crafting stations, causing Anet to remove them entirely (and with them, a supply of new blood for the game mode from people who came to use them on the advice of other players and decided to stay).

    Crafters wasting space?

    I mean, they usually go in, craft and leave, dont they?
    if there's a queue already, it's faster just go to capital cities

    Duellers are bigger offenders, they just trade kills to keep their participation up, since a player kill grants 10 minutes of deterioration free period.

    would not be surprised if they can even automate this process of running from spawn point back to dueling spot

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    Eotm was like getting into the map to level and finding a super fun place

    You still have to bonus karma for extra happiness

    A place where you'd hang out when doing nothing on the game

    Now ppl never get there, cuz there no reason to do so

    The old ppl that found it fun mostly quit the map (or game) cuz map was getting empty, as 80% of population were up levers.

  • LetoII.3782LetoII.3782 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2019

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    SoR had was pretty much a camp or a tower at a times

    That's not how spawncamped works
    And knowing GSCH, they likely barely noticed

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  • Etria.3642Etria.3642 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2019

    It was pretty awful. Enough that we swapped servers. We even tried to arrange a gvg so we could get in some fights(thank you) but enough pugs wanted action that we'd get swarmed.

    And while yes you could leave spawn from a different exit soon enough you'd be scouted and swarmed. I don't blame them, pretty sure they were just bored to tears.

    But. I wasn't into eotm when it was a thing and have zero, not even one achievement completed there. Ventured in twice but both times I was the only one of my color wandering around and there were a few of another color who ran me down. All those ap. Maybe someday.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

    Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map.

    But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed.

    If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it.

    This. Exactly this. The map is still there.

    ok, let's imagine they removing all the rewards from all game mods, game would be dead in 2 months.

    Oh but if game was good ppl would still be playing it

    Has eotm had all of its rewards removed? No. Which makes your argument invalid. It was also unfair to get more wvw rewards in eotm than in actual WvW, without doing any actual WvW. Karma, huge amounts of wxp by constant decapping /recapping, fast levelling. The map is still there, you can get WvW reward tracks and wxp and karma still. Why is it dead?

  • Celsith.2753Celsith.2753 Member ✭✭✭

    @crepuscular.9047 said

    how's this? We (SoS) pretty much white washed all 4 maps on Week 49 of 2018, all SoR had was pretty much a camp or a tower at a times
    some people switched world with their secondary accounts to cap towers and keeps so we can get our dailies done

    Thankyou for proving with these two sentences that fully spawn camping every single map is impossible. xD

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  • Celsith.2753Celsith.2753 Member ✭✭✭

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    Duellers are bigger offenders, they just trade kills to keep their participation up, since a player kill grants 10 minutes of deterioration free period.

    would not be surprised if they can even automate this process of running from spawn point back to dueling spot

    Duellers do not stomp each other. Their participation comes from idiot's that try to add in after being asked not to.

    I'd point a finger at those who, deliberately for participation or because of ignorance, spend all day repairing trebbed walls.

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  • XenesisII.1540XenesisII.1540 Member ✭✭✭✭

    People used eotm to level characters, I used it for a couple characters, they removed gaining regular exp but you get a ton of tomes of knowledge and you get birthday boosters that can boost new characters to 20 30 40 etc, so that argument is void.

    They also used it to get quicker wxp for levels, it was quicker because it was usually a ktrain constantly making the rounds around the map. People got thousands of "free" levels which is harder to come by in the actual wvw maps because more defending actually happens so ktrains don't usually last. There use to be full ktrains on fridays by all 3 sides when a match was pretty much done and waiting on reset by servers, but over time that got broken up and died off.

    People currently don't run eotm because of the pip rewards which you can only earn contribution for on the wvw maps, which just goes to show how much people followed the trail of rewards instead of actually wanting to play in eotm.

    I don't think it's too much to ask for people to play actual wvw to earn wvw only rewards, it's no different than having to run fractals, spvp, and raids for their exclusive rewards including skins and back pieces.

    Another derailing post. ^^
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  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

    Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map.

    But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed.

    If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it.

    This. Exactly this. The map is still there.

    ok, let's imagine they removing all the rewards from all game mods, game would be dead in 2 months.

    Oh but if game was good ppl would still be playing it

    Has eotm had all of its rewards removed? No. Which makes your argument invalid. It was also unfair to get more wvw rewards in eotm than in actual WvW, without doing any actual WvW. Karma, huge amounts of wxp by constant decapping /recapping, fast levelling. The map is still there, you can get WvW reward tracks and wxp and karma still. Why is it dead?

    Nobody is asking for wvw rewards as the map was populated 80% by uplevers, that honestly never used the wvw stuff because they went there I found out it was not as fun as eotm.

  • Voltekka.2375Voltekka.2375 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Voltekka.2375 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @Khalisto.5780 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    @mulzi.8273 said:
    EoTm was killed due to the 'WvW folks whining excessively to Anet that it was not fair for the EoTm folks to get the same shinies as the WvW folks. They whined and whined stating EoTM was taking away players from WvW, and EoTMers were able to get WvW rewards/ranks like 'real' WvWers. So Anet, in their infinite wisdom, listened to these whiners, and killed all XP, rewards, and fun from EOTM.

    Now, 2-3 years later, Wvw is still dead/dying, the whiners are still whining excessively only now they do not have EoTM to blame so they are latching on to other excuses. Majority of the players that use to play EoTM either quit the game all together or stay in PvE land. So rather than let the pve folks experience a WvW type game mode (with reduced rewards) they tried to force these folks into the wvw game mode. Well, at least now WvW folks cannot whine that a EoTMer have the same a high rank and/or gear that the WvWers have now.

    Too bad too. EoTm was great for levelling up. It was also great for introducing folks to a WvW style gameplay without scaring them away with the cheese in Wvw (forced to use specific builds, cheese 1-shot builds, populating issues, etc).

    The only thing EoTM ‘lost’ was character XP. Much like WvW lost it as well.

    So, what else did EoTM lose?

    Character XP was the most important thing, as most of eotm were up levels and infinite karma train ppl not ppl trying to get ez wvw shinnyes, they could've taken just the wvw shinnyes and ranks away. Pretty sure wvwers would still complain about eotm stealing numbers from wvw, but now we now it's not true, they could just give the pve stuff back to the map.

    But I think you answered it well. It was only the XP they removed.

    If the Map was such a good map, people would still play it.

    This. Exactly this. The map is still there.

    ok, let's imagine they removing all the rewards from all game mods, game would be dead in 2 months.

    Oh but if game was good ppl would still be playing it

    Has eotm had all of its rewards removed? No. Which makes your argument invalid. It was also unfair to get more wvw rewards in eotm than in actual WvW, without doing any actual WvW. Karma, huge amounts of wxp by constant decapping /recapping, fast levelling. The map is still there, you can get WvW reward tracks and wxp and karma still. Why is it dead?

    Nobody is asking for wvw rewards as the map was populated 80% by uplevers, that honestly never used the wvw stuff because they went there I found out it was not as fun as eotm.

    So... Turn a wvw lobby map into a pve map for... What exactly? Doesnt pve already have plenty of grind maps of its own?

  • @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    And what exactly is stopping you from playing in EOTM?

    Hes talking about having to do the reward track for Gift of Battle probably.
    I personally don't see why I'm forced to do PvE content to get legendaries :expressionless:

  • juno.1840juno.1840 Member ✭✭✭

    @Hyper Cutter.9376 said:
    Reminds me of when "real" WvW players barked and whined to Anet about people "wasting" space on the borderlands by using the crafting stations, causing Anet to remove them entirely (and with them, a supply of new blood for the game mode from people who came to use them on the advice of other players and decided to stay).

    ANet removed crafting stations because they want to sell those special access passes (example: Royal Terrace). There's no reason to buy one of those when you could just press "B" and pop into your home BL to access crafting, bank, TP, etc.

    It had nothing to do with players complaining about crafters in WvW. Seriously, I played back then and almost never saw players at the crafting stations.

  • Strider Pj.2193Strider Pj.2193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @xZombieTaco.5809 said:

    @Strider Pj.2193 said:

    And what exactly is stopping you from playing in EOTM?

    Hes talking about having to do the reward track for Gift of Battle probably.
    I personally don't see why I'm forced to do PvE content to get legendaries :expressionless:

    He might be, but he never answered.

    And if that were truly the case? He can get it through EoTM if he wanted.

  • Zephyra.4709Zephyra.4709 Member ✭✭✭

    If people really thought eotm ktrain sandpit land was that fun why don't guilds still exist like the ones that rigged most matches? reward track, wxp/karma etc is still there for any pve player that really wants it. Literally free real estate. Don't even need to worry about the big bad wolf come knocking on your door.

    If people innit for WvW shinies then join the zerg in WvW since according to forum-goers zerging in WvW is pretty much ktrain easy mode brainless anyway.

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