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Thoughts on All Or Nothing: Requiem [SPOILERS]

Cerioth.7062Cerioth.7062 Member ✭✭✭

So I'd like to think what you all thought of the newly released short story available here https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/january-29-2019/ and how it made you feel? I think it answers a LOT of interesting questions and I absolutely loved getting this new insight on Rytlock and how his mind works. Can't wait for the others.

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Weird and dodgy Rytlock artwork aside, i enjoyed what i read so far. Much better than that god awful rubbish we got last time they did short stories on the website. This worked much better and the jumping between links whilst a tad annoying, in the main worked pretty well

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  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Randulf.7614 said:
    Weird and dodgy Rytlock artwork aside, i enjoyed what i read so far. Much better than that god awful rubbish we got last time they did short stories on the website. This worked much better and the jumping between links whilst a tad annoying, in the main worked pretty well

    agreed, the only downside is the artwork, thought as if it were for some kind of girlish diary ...

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  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2019

    we now have some background on the personality of Bangar Ruinbringer.

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    Also confirmation that Kralkatorrik is back in the Mists now instead of elsewhere on Tyria - People thought he would head to another part of Elona or to the Charr Lands where he awoke, but it seems that's not the case - And giving more grounds to the theory that he could just consume the entirety of the Mists which definitely classifies him as more than a Tyria-level threat.

    its seems to me a prepared ground for Gods come back in next episode.

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  • Arden.7480Arden.7480 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Zafirah interests me sooo much!! I hope she will give more insight to Balthazar and how he was before he went rogue, and will give him more personality, than that Balthazar just likes war, he must have had some good sides too, as everyone does.

    Thank You Tom Abernathy and the Narrative Team! Such stories are always welcome!!

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  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2019

    Well, I forgot to give my compliment to the Narrative Team. Excellent work folks!

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  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Betting Caithe's will be last and reveal a hint about the upcoming episode. Perhaps this is their way of revealing what Aurene told Caithe her purpose was and why she was so humbled. I feel like that would be kind of a giveaway to the events of the next episode though, but if they save it for last maybe it will be more used as a tie in to be less surprising or something? I don't know.

    I think Caithe's will certainly be the most interesting in relation to the current story though.

    Rhytlock's was neat I guess. It's interesting to get lore on Sohothin and now I want to meet his cubs. That's the most I took away from it. lol

    I almost would rather have Taimi than Zafirah though. I just feel like they're really trying to push #teamZafirah and I've just never cared that much about her character. Then again I guess she was just introduced last episode. And perhaps her being able to sense Balthazar in Aurene could be used as part of this narrative. Maybe even hint that she feels his presence still.

    Or just spend the entire time thinking, "These idiots killed my god, and now Tyria AND reality is doomed." Or maybe, given her distance from the blast radius she will give some insight into what it looked like when we were knocked back.

    Probably just lots of pouting about Balthazar though. Bleh.

    Kind of wish we would have gotten one of these a few episodes ago from Joko's perspective. That would have been an interesting read. lol

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 29, 2019

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Also confirmation that Kralkatorrik is back in the Mists now instead of elsewhere on Tyria - People thought he would head to another part of Elona or to the Charr Lands where he awoke, but it seems that's not the case - And giving more grounds to the theory that he could just consume the entirety of the Mists which definitely classifies him as more than a Tyria-level threat.

    its seems to me a prepared ground for Gods come back in next episode.

    i think that's just your headcanon bias talking

    i mean serious, everytime the mists get mentioned ppl go "humen gawds retern?!?" , there's more in the mists then the human gods, ya know

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  • TheOrlyFactor.8341TheOrlyFactor.8341 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 30, 2019

    So I've read the story and viewed the artwork for the first story. My friend pointed out that Rytlock looks like a Skritt in that art piece so now he shall forever be known as Skrittlock. :V

    Silliness aside, I thought it was a well-told story. It really doesn't make me more sympathetic towards Rytlock though. If anything, it's made me less so. For all this talk about warbands and families and having cubs, he didn't (and in my opinion still doesn't) act like someone who has their priorities straight. It was all about him and his life. To Hell with everyone else. He talks about how important Destiny's Edge was to him, how he was loyal to them, how they were his warband/family yet it was him who decided to dissolve them and (from my perspective) abandon them in LWS3.1. It was him who decided to peace out and form Dragon's Watch with the Commander. He flees and retreats at actual failure rather than picking himself back up and pushing on, rather than check on those who managed to survive the confrontation with Mordremoth. I don't find that respectable in fictional characters or in real life.

    Rytlock being bullied as a cub is no excuse or justification for his behavior either. Instead of rising above his experiences, he let them control him. In an ironic twist, he kind of became a bully himself in the process, from my perspective. Him holding onto that tough guy shtick even at the end of the story is also concerning as I certainly think that's a harmful social byproduct of him being bullied. By making it about him, by having this tough guy/gruff facade up all the time, he hurt everyone around him: Destiny's Edge, Dragon's Watch, his cubs, etc.

    Sure, he's admitting now that the whole thing with Balthazar was his fault but many of us know what they say about hindsight. The metaphorical horse is already out of the barn. Why wasn't he thinking of his cubs or Destiny's Edge - his supposed warband at the time - when he went after Sohothin, when he was stomping around the Mists trying to find that dumb sword and reignite it? (This is meant to be a rhetorical question, by the way. It's stated several times in the story why he wasn't thinking about anything or anyone else. I even mentioned why a few times in my own post.)

    If stories - good stories at that - are supposed to entice a reaction from the reader, then I give kudos to whoever wrote this because it did just that. I didn't like Rytlock before this story and I hate him even more now after reading this.

    Hopefully the next two stories will be just as good considering they're also for characters I don't care for.

    ( For those of you who are in the pro-Rytlock camp who happen to read this and want to try to change my mind, don't. I don't mind discussing things I may have missed/overlooked in this story but my negative opinion and loathing for Rytlock as a character won't be changing. Save your keystrokes and time. )

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  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sry, I can not resist to come and praise again, the format of this content is really good.

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  • ugrakarma.9416ugrakarma.9416 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 30, 2019

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    1. Flame Legion are the ones who recovered Sohothin, I find this interesting as a) how did they learn it was there, b) how did they get a squad to the Ring of Fire and back given this would likely take place ~1300 AE? Only took 7 years for them to reveal how Rytlock got Sohothin.

    Anyway this really fit very much on Flame Legion theme of going after "fire magic" and would add c) Why was Sohotin in the Ring of Fire? There is a potential interesting sub-history here: did someone reignite her on the volcano? Does the Volcano have magical properties that could be potentiated with it? Someone bring it to create some powerful fire magic stuff?

    Indirectly they answered a question I made here on another topic, if Sohotin is so powerful, why did Rytlock simply not lend her to the commander again?

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  • Tyson.5160Tyson.5160 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    1. Flame Legion are the ones who recovered Sohothin, I find this interesting as a) how did they learn it was there, b) how did they get a squad to the Ring of Fire and back given this would likely take place ~1300 AE? Only took 7 years for them to reveal how Rytlock got Sohothin.

    Anyway this really fit very much on Flame Legion theme of going after "fire magic" and would add c) Why was Sohotin in the Ring of Fire? There is a potential interesting sub-history here: did someone reignite her on the volcano? Does the Volcano have magical properties that could be potentiated with it? Someone bring it to create some powerful fire magic stuff?

    Indirectly they answered a question I made here on another topic, if Sohotin is so powerful, why did Rytlock simply not lend her to the commander again?

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  • Great story! Love reading about the lore. It got me thinking though when he mentioned Kralk going off to the mists and if we beat him all of Tyria will be gone. What happens if Kralk is beaten in the Mists? What happens then??

  • @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    1. Flame Legion are the ones who recovered Sohothin, I find this interesting as a) how did they learn it was there, b) how did they get a squad to the Ring of Fire and back given this would likely take place ~1300 AE? Only took 7 years for them to reveal how Rytlock got Sohothin.

    Anyway this really fit very much on Flame Legion theme of going after "fire magic" and would add c) Why was Sohotin in the Ring of Fire? There is a potential interesting sub-history here: did someone reignite her on the volcano? Does the Volcano have magical properties that could be potentiated with it? Someone bring it to create some powerful fire magic stuff?

    Indirectly they answered a question I made here on another topic, if Sohotin is so powerful, why did Rytlock simply not lend her to the commander again?

    Rurik had it when he died at Hell's Precipice (he had a FDS with him, and from Ghosts of Ascalon, Adelbern did not take away Sohothin when Rurik got exiled). So it makes sense it'd be at the Ring of Fire.

    Nothing suggests Sohothin lost its flame after Rurik's death.

  • Pax.3548Pax.3548 Member ✭✭✭

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    Indirectly they answered a question I made here on another topic, if Sohotin is so powerful, why did Rytlock simply not lend her to the commander again?

    Because the sword was his. You see how obsessed he was with the sword, to the point of sacrificing everything that was dear to him, and now that he realized what was important, he basically says screw the high legions and their military mindset, and cast the sword aside, I wonder if this means Logan will wield it now.

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Pax.3548 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    Indirectly they answered a question I made here on another topic, if Sohotin is so powerful, why did Rytlock simply not lend her to the commander again?

    Because the sword was his. You see how obsessed he was with the sword, to the point of sacrificing everything that was dear to him, and now that he realized what was important, he basically says screw the high legions and their military mindset, and cast the sword aside, I wonder if this means Logan will wield it now.

    Honestly, if anyone wields it I would place bets on Zafirah given that it belonged to her beloved god. And who knows, maybe it will secretly be a teaser for thieves getting off-hand sword or something for their next elite spec.

    But, as I can't imagine it will help us against Kralk, and Taimi is on her deathbed, and Braham just upgraded to his mother's bow... I just don't really see anyone getting it that makes more sense than Zafirah.

    I suppose Caithe could, since the story seemingly always circles back to her for some reason.

    I guess Logan could as well, but it would mean more to Zafirah than it would Logan probably.

  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 30, 2019

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Also confirmation that Kralkatorrik is back in the Mists now instead of elsewhere on Tyria - People thought he would head to another part of Elona or to the Charr Lands where he awoke, but it seems that's not the case - And giving more grounds to the theory that he could just consume the entirety of the Mists which definitely classifies him as more than a Tyria-level threat.

    its seems to me a prepared ground for Gods come back in next episode.

    i think that's just your headcanon bias talking

    i mean serious, everytime the mists get mentioned ppl go "humen gawds retern?!?" , there's more in the mists then the human gods, ya know

    Correct but in the context of the current story they are the story elements most connected to the Mists and the most mentioned, so it stands to reason if they are used it will be connected to the Mists rather than something new coming out of left field. Something new with the power to make a difference against Kralkatorrik at that, which would be even worse from the storytelling perspective (Why have we only just learned of this power now etcetc), sure they could introduce something new and Mists based as a response to Kralkatorrik sitting and eating up the Mists incessantly, but from a narrative point of view that would be strange when there is an already previously established force that could fulfill the same narrative requirement.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Also confirmation that Kralkatorrik is back in the Mists now instead of elsewhere on Tyria - People thought he would head to another part of Elona or to the Charr Lands where he awoke, but it seems that's not the case - And giving more grounds to the theory that he could just consume the entirety of the Mists which definitely classifies him as more than a Tyria-level threat.

    its seems to me a prepared ground for Gods come back in next episode.

    i think that's just your headcanon bias talking

    i mean serious, everytime the mists get mentioned ppl go "humen gawds retern?!?" , there's more in the mists then the human gods, ya know

    Correct but in the context of the current story they are the story elements most connected to the Mists and the most mentioned, so it stands to reason if they are used it will be connected to the Mists rather than something new coming out of left field. Something new with the power to make a difference against Kralkatorrik at that, which would be even worse from the storytelling perspective (Why have we only just learned of this power now etcetc), sure they could introduce something new and Mists based as a response to Kralkatorrik sitting and eating up the Mists incessantly, but from a narrative point of view that would be strange when there is an already previously established force that could fulfill the same narrative requirement.

    Perhaps but even then it doesn't mean their return. Could be the spirits they abbandoned or their angels, or it could be the spirits of the wild.

    Honestly why would anet write the gods out of the story just to bring thzm back next season

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  • Mahou.3924Mahou.3924 Member ✭✭✭

    I quite enjoyed it. Aurene is/was our daughter! = Canon. Loved that part. Sorry just my fanboy getting the better of me.
    I'm not much into meta-anaysis or prediciting future events, but I'm also looking forward to Zafirah's story. Regardless of liking/disliking her, as the "newcomer" of the group, fleshing her out in one way or another is quite important. Or else, it'd be like in a single player RPG where you get a new party member, and you'd learn nothing new afterwards outside of the inital information. Yes, people are probably bound to still dislike her afterwards, but whatever that's perfectly legit and fine.

    Caithe's one of my favorites, so nothing much to be said.

  • @derd.6413 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Also confirmation that Kralkatorrik is back in the Mists now instead of elsewhere on Tyria - People thought he would head to another part of Elona or to the Charr Lands where he awoke, but it seems that's not the case - And giving more grounds to the theory that he could just consume the entirety of the Mists which definitely classifies him as more than a Tyria-level threat.

    its seems to me a prepared ground for Gods come back in next episode.

    i think that's just your headcanon bias talking

    i mean serious, everytime the mists get mentioned ppl go "humen gawds retern?!?" , there's more in the mists then the human gods, ya know

    Correct but in the context of the current story they are the story elements most connected to the Mists and the most mentioned, so it stands to reason if they are used it will be connected to the Mists rather than something new coming out of left field. Something new with the power to make a difference against Kralkatorrik at that, which would be even worse from the storytelling perspective (Why have we only just learned of this power now etcetc), sure they could introduce something new and Mists based as a response to Kralkatorrik sitting and eating up the Mists incessantly, but from a narrative point of view that would be strange when there is an already previously established force that could fulfill the same narrative requirement.

    Perhaps but even then it doesn't mean their return. Could be the spirits they abbandoned or their angels, or it could be the spirits of the wild.

    Honestly why would anet write the gods out of the story just to bring thzm back next season

    The Gods have evidently not been written out of the story however. What makes you think so?

    If they had truly been written out, there wouldn't be continued references to them throughout the entire expansion even after Balthazar's death. I don't know how you define writing something out but having continual references to something that has been supposedly written out of the story definitely doesn't classify amongst most definitions.

  • @Mahou.3924 said:
    I quite enjoyed it. Aurene is/was our daughter! = Canon. Loved that part. Sorry just my fanboy getting the better of me.
    I'm not much into meta-anaysis or prediciting future events, but I'm also looking forward to Zafirah's story. Regardless of liking/disliking her, as the "newcomer" of the group, fleshing her out in one way or another is quite important. Or else, it'd be like in a single player RPG where you get a new party member, and you'd learn nothing new afterwards outside of the inital information. Yes, people are probably bound to still dislike her afterwards, but whatever that's perfectly legit and fine.

    It's also an excellent opportunity to redeem the Zaishen Order.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Also confirmation that Kralkatorrik is back in the Mists now instead of elsewhere on Tyria - People thought he would head to another part of Elona or to the Charr Lands where he awoke, but it seems that's not the case - And giving more grounds to the theory that he could just consume the entirety of the Mists which definitely classifies him as more than a Tyria-level threat.

    its seems to me a prepared ground for Gods come back in next episode.

    i think that's just your headcanon bias talking

    i mean serious, everytime the mists get mentioned ppl go "humen gawds retern?!?" , there's more in the mists then the human gods, ya know

    Correct but in the context of the current story they are the story elements most connected to the Mists and the most mentioned, so it stands to reason if they are used it will be connected to the Mists rather than something new coming out of left field. Something new with the power to make a difference against Kralkatorrik at that, which would be even worse from the storytelling perspective (Why have we only just learned of this power now etcetc), sure they could introduce something new and Mists based as a response to Kralkatorrik sitting and eating up the Mists incessantly, but from a narrative point of view that would be strange when there is an already previously established force that could fulfill the same narrative requirement.

    Perhaps but even then it doesn't mean their return. Could be the spirits they abbandoned or their angels, or it could be the spirits of the wild.

    Honestly why would anet write the gods out of the story just to bring thzm back next season

    The Gods have evidently not been written out of the story however. What makes you think so?

    If they had truly been written out, there wouldn't be continued references to them throughout the entire expansion even after Balthazar's death. I don't know how you define writing something out but having continual references to something that has been supposedly written out of the story definitely doesn't classify amongst most definitions.

    because there was more to the gods then just the gods, there's still things the gods left behind when they went away. there's still their realms and all its inhabitants, their followers, their rtifacts and who knows what else. also ppl say there's loads of god references but i haven't seen that much of it since pof.

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  • brenda.9723brenda.9723 Member ✭✭✭

    I would love to see a bromance moment between Rytlock and Logan in game :). And I am very curious who rytlocks cubs are. The idea that Rox might be a cub of rytlock is amazing. I am happy that more stories like this will follow. Looking forward to caithes story, but I dont care so much for Zafirah.
    I see that some ppl really hated the art. But I actually liked the art ; it portrays Rytlock in a more weak way, which fits wil all the guilt he expresses in the story.

  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 30, 2019

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Also confirmation that Kralkatorrik is back in the Mists now instead of elsewhere on Tyria - People thought he would head to another part of Elona or to the Charr Lands where he awoke, but it seems that's not the case - And giving more grounds to the theory that he could just consume the entirety of the Mists which definitely classifies him as more than a Tyria-level threat.

    its seems to me a prepared ground for Gods come back in next episode.

    i think that's just your headcanon bias talking

    i mean serious, everytime the mists get mentioned ppl go "humen gawds retern?!?" , there's more in the mists then the human gods, ya know

    Correct but in the context of the current story they are the story elements most connected to the Mists and the most mentioned, so it stands to reason if they are used it will be connected to the Mists rather than something new coming out of left field. Something new with the power to make a difference against Kralkatorrik at that, which would be even worse from the storytelling perspective (Why have we only just learned of this power now etcetc), sure they could introduce something new and Mists based as a response to Kralkatorrik sitting and eating up the Mists incessantly, but from a narrative point of view that would be strange when there is an already previously established force that could fulfill the same narrative requirement.

    Perhaps but even then it doesn't mean their return. Could be the spirits they abbandoned or their angels, or it could be the spirits of the wild.

    Honestly why would anet write the gods out of the story just to bring thzm back next season

    The Gods have evidently not been written out of the story however. What makes you think so?

    If they had truly been written out, there wouldn't be continued references to them throughout the entire expansion even after Balthazar's death. I don't know how you define writing something out but having continual references to something that has been supposedly written out of the story definitely doesn't classify amongst most definitions.

    because there was more to the gods then just the gods, there's still things the gods left behind when they went away. there's still their realms and all its inhabitants, their followers, their rtifacts and who knows what else. also ppl say there's loads of god references but i haven't seen that much of it since pof.

    I don't think you're fully grasping what "writing out" means.

    Everything you listed is still related to the Gods and for as long as they continue to be the Gods themselves are not written out of the story and so are just as liable to be relevant to the story as their artifacts and anything related to them is.

    That's how writing works, and it's not bias to want to see a narrative thread that continues to exist be tied off or revisited.

  • derd.6413derd.6413 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:

    @derd.6413 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:

    @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Also confirmation that Kralkatorrik is back in the Mists now instead of elsewhere on Tyria - People thought he would head to another part of Elona or to the Charr Lands where he awoke, but it seems that's not the case - And giving more grounds to the theory that he could just consume the entirety of the Mists which definitely classifies him as more than a Tyria-level threat.

    its seems to me a prepared ground for Gods come back in next episode.

    i think that's just your headcanon bias talking

    i mean serious, everytime the mists get mentioned ppl go "humen gawds retern?!?" , there's more in the mists then the human gods, ya know

    Correct but in the context of the current story they are the story elements most connected to the Mists and the most mentioned, so it stands to reason if they are used it will be connected to the Mists rather than something new coming out of left field. Something new with the power to make a difference against Kralkatorrik at that, which would be even worse from the storytelling perspective (Why have we only just learned of this power now etcetc), sure they could introduce something new and Mists based as a response to Kralkatorrik sitting and eating up the Mists incessantly, but from a narrative point of view that would be strange when there is an already previously established force that could fulfill the same narrative requirement.

    Perhaps but even then it doesn't mean their return. Could be the spirits they abbandoned or their angels, or it could be the spirits of the wild.

    Honestly why would anet write the gods out of the story just to bring thzm back next season

    The Gods have evidently not been written out of the story however. What makes you think so?

    If they had truly been written out, there wouldn't be continued references to them throughout the entire expansion even after Balthazar's death. I don't know how you define writing something out but having continual references to something that has been supposedly written out of the story definitely doesn't classify amongst most definitions.

    because there was more to the gods then just the gods, there's still things the gods left behind when they went away. there's still their realms and all its inhabitants, their followers, their rtifacts and who knows what else. also ppl say there's loads of god references but i haven't seen that much of it since pof.

    I don't think you're fully grasping what "writing out" means.

    Everything you listed is still related to the Gods and for as long as they continue to be the Gods themselves are not written out of the story and so are just as liable to be relevant to the story as their artifacts and anything related to them is.

    That's how writing works, and it's not bias to want to see a narrative thread that continues to exist be tied off or revisited.

    no, a connection to something doesn't make that something part of the story. or else the god statues in the orr meta-event or the balt artifact in the priory story would mean that the human gods were part of the zhaitan arc (which they weren't).

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  • Thank you for posting your thoughts; I'm going to share them with the team.

    Incidentally, noting that the topic was not mentioned in the widely-used GW2 Discussion subforum, I created a thread there yesterday, just to get general feedback on the story. I think having threads in two subforums is complementary in this case, and again, I'll share with the team.

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  • @Pax.3548 said:

    @ugrakarma.9416 said:
    Indirectly they answered a question I made here on another topic, if Sohotin is so powerful, why did Rytlock simply not lend her to the commander again?

    Because the sword was his. You see how obsessed he was with the sword, to the point of sacrificing everything that was dear to him, and now that he realized what was important, he basically says screw the high legions and their military mindset, and cast the sword aside, I wonder if this means Logan will wield it now.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it gets stolen and just "disappears" at the beginning of the next episode.

    @derd.6413 said:
    Perhaps but even then it doesn't mean their return. Could be the spirits they abbandoned or their angels, or it could be the spirits of the wild.

    Honestly why would anet write the gods out of the story just to bring thzm back next season

    Anet outright stated that the gods' story is not finished when asked questions about Balthazar not cursing Lyssa.

    They fully intend for the gods to return at some point, in some form, and a story focused on the Mists is the most likely time for such to occur. That's likely why people think they'll make some sort of appearance.

  • hugo.4705hugo.4705 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 30, 2019

    It's great, only issue: the whole story should be on the same page, easier to read than clicking on blue texts :D great artworks... for ratlock!

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Flame Legion are the ones who recovered Sohothin, I find this interesting as a) how did they learn it was there, b) how did they get a squad to the Ring of Fire and back given this would likely take place ~1300 AE? Only took 7 years for them to reveal how Rytlock got Sohothin.

    I would assume it ties back to their dominance in Guildwars 1
    Flame Legion had a strong grasp on the Charr race back then and they originally believed the Titans to be gods.

    I guess it makes sense that they would have known Prince Rurik left Ascalon after they took most of it.. and probably learned about his death and the location of the Sword after the Titan threat had been dealt with.
    That knowledge was likely lost and rediscovered.
    I would like to know how they got out there though.. maybe they used an old portal.. or created one.

  • Orimidu.9604Orimidu.9604 Member ✭✭✭

    I would love to see this scene in the game, there are tons of players who don't visit the website. Ambient NPC dialogue is always a welcome thing to see for hidden backstory, and seeing Rytlock pace the halls of Thunderhead Keep post-story (dialogue bubbles and audio muted for characters yet to complete the story) would add quite a bit of depth to the episode. You could in turn flesh things like this out to mini-episodes where we can go back to the Black Citadel or other areas of Ascalon to learn more about Rytlock's past.

  • Donari.5237Donari.5237 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Orimidu.9604 said:
    I would love to see this scene in the game, there are tons of players who don't visit the website. Ambient NPC dialogue is always a welcome thing to see for hidden backstory, and seeing Rytlock pace the halls of Thunderhead Keep post-story (dialogue bubbles and audio muted for characters yet to complete the story) would add quite a bit of depth to the episode. You could in turn flesh things like this out to mini-episodes where we can go back to the Black Citadel or other areas of Ascalon to learn more about Rytlock's past.

    Agreed. However, in the recent AFC the devs confirmed that they have a word budget on how much they can put in to any one episode thanks to not wanting to get murdered by the localization teams. (OK, that's my phrasing, but they did say all the work flows downstream). This story was a lot of words. Moreover, if you have it voiced in game, that's a lot of Voice Actor pay that may be beyond the resources.

    So nice as it would be, the website story consumes far fewer resources and offers far more information and flavor than can fit in the confines of the episode. If it weren't presented this way we might never get the lore at all.

  • Mahou.3924Mahou.3924 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 30, 2019

    @Orimidu.9604 said:
    I would love to see this scene in the game, there are tons of players who don't visit the website. Ambient NPC dialogue is always a welcome thing to see for hidden backstory, and seeing Rytlock pace the halls of Thunderhead Keep post-story (dialogue bubbles and audio muted for characters yet to complete the story) would add quite a bit of depth to the episode. You could in turn flesh things like this out to mini-episodes where we can go back to the Black Citadel or other areas of Ascalon to learn more about Rytlock's past.

    Seeing that Rytlock probably wouldn't tell anyone about his innermost feelings, implementing it in-game would have to be something like a auto-play mini story instance or cutsscene where the point of view switches completely to him (like in a toned down version of controlling Caithe in S2 from what I've heard?) for the duration after some sort of trigger. Theoretically this would work without any voice acting in the form of an inner monologue IMHO.

  • Hesacon.8735Hesacon.8735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If Kralk wants to hang out in the Mists, I wish he'd visit Stonemist Castle.

  • @Randulf.7614 said:
    Weird and dodgy Rytlock artwork aside...

    You didn't enjoy Skrittlock???

  • @ThatOddOne.4387 said:
    Awesome, very nice surprise.

    More from Ruinbringer, more on how Rytlock got Sohothin and why he wanted it back so badly. More Balthazar interaction and general world building. Logan being a bro.

    Also confirmation that Kralkatorrik is back in the Mists now instead of elsewhere on Tyria - People thought he would head to another part of Elona or to the Charr Lands where he awoke, but it seems that's not the case - And giving more grounds to the theory that he could just consume the entirety of the Mists which definitely classifies him as more than a Tyria-level threat.

    Definitely true.

    Tom Abernathy
    Studio Narrative Director
    ArenaNet

  • @Arden.7480 said:
    Zafirah interests me sooo much!! I hope she will give more insight to Balthazar and how he was before he went rogue, and will give him more personality, than that Balthazar just likes war, he must have had some good sides too, as everyone does.

    Thank You Tom Abernathy and the Narrative Team! Such stories are always welcome!!

    This was a collaboration between Marketing (Anatoly Ingram and Elisabeth Cardy, mainly) and Narrative (writer Alex Kain and story editor Julia Nardin, mainly). We're pleased so many players like it, and that reaction definitely helps the cause of doing more in the future. :-)

    Tom Abernathy
    Studio Narrative Director
    ArenaNet

  • @Dark Red Killian.3946 said:
    Great story! Love reading about the lore. It got me thinking though when he mentioned Kralk going off to the mists and if we beat him all of Tyria will be gone. What happens if Kralk is beaten in the Mists? What happens then??

    This is EXACTLY the salient question.

    Tom Abernathy
    Studio Narrative Director
    ArenaNet

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tom Abernathy II.5241 said:

    @Dark Red Killian.3946 said:
    Great story! Love reading about the lore. It got me thinking though when he mentioned Kralk going off to the mists and if we beat him all of Tyria will be gone. What happens if Kralk is beaten in the Mists? What happens then??

    This is EXACTLY the salient question.

    It is interesting to think about, because whether we kill him in the mists it upsets the balance of Tyria. But where does the magic go? Does it still get released into Tyria or does it linger in the mists and create crazed enemies like it does on Tyria? It feels like at some point what we know is going to be contradicted somehow.

  • MUDse.7623MUDse.7623 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @cptaylor.2670 said:

    @Tom Abernathy II.5241 said:

    @Dark Red Killian.3946 said:
    Great story! Love reading about the lore. It got me thinking though when he mentioned Kralk going off to the mists and if we beat him all of Tyria will be gone. What happens if Kralk is beaten in the Mists? What happens then??

    This is EXACTLY the salient question.


    It is interesting to think about, because whether we kill him in the mists it upsets the balance of Tyria. But where does the magic go? Does it still get released into Tyria or does it linger in the mists and create crazed enemies like it does on Tyria? It feels like at some point what we know is going to be contradicted somehow.

    isnt aurene now in the mists to absorb the magic or glint herself? if everything fails we still have kasmeer who has the 'blessings of all the gods' and kormir added to 'never forget that' might be useful for something..

    read this, become a better player now.

  • Aaron Ansari.1604Aaron Ansari.1604 Member ✭✭✭✭

    For what it's worth, I don't find it that strange that the Flame Legion reached the Ring of Fire. It's not like they've got an arrow hovering above their heads, after all. The non-shamans routinely passed themselves off as members of other legions in the vanilla story, and we see Rytlock doing the same thing here. I imagine it'd be trivial for them to lie their way to Lion's Arch, and from there it's just a matter of hiring a crew willing to make a risky voyage.

    R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2019

    @Tom Abernathy II.5241 said:

    @Dark Red Killian.3946 said:
    Great story! Love reading about the lore. It got me thinking though when he mentioned Kralk going off to the mists and if we beat him all of Tyria will be gone. What happens if Kralk is beaten in the Mists? What happens then??

    This is EXACTLY the salient question.

    I hope this isn't a hint that the solution will end up being "kill Kralkatorrik in the Mists and the world is saved". I'm not opposed to Aurene's death being permanent, but having that as the solution would pretty much make the entirety of Season 3 and Path of Fire pointless. It would make the already crudely forced antagonism with Balthazar (we were the ones who initiated hostility for no reason besides "someone is exploiting the White Mantle and offered to use them to assist us!" as if we hadn't done the exact same thing in that very season) even worse off because it would mean that Balthazar could have just taken in their magic and everything would have been dandy, that Taimi's prediction that The All needs 4+ Elder Dragons to remain stable, but because she forgot to carry the one that is "what happens if we kill Elder Dragons and reduce the quantities of magic?".

    It would make the repeated statements by Taimi and Sadizi that "the death of one more Elder Dragons will tip The All irrevocably out of balance" to be moot and pointless, and making us hate ourselves for ever not going "okay Balthazar, eat up Kralkatorrik's magic and save the world!" instead of what we did ("If you kill any Elder Dragon, the world dies!")

    I tend to love the whole "the hero makes the situation worse before fixing it", but not if our attempts to fix our making it worse make it worse because a teenager forgot to carrying the damned one and an old man who should know his stuff apparently didn't.

    /endrant

  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2019

    I'm partly on your wavelength here Konig but on the other hand it is a pretty interesting twist. Not sure about the mechanics of it, but maybe then the magic is simply removed from Tyria as you suggested and thus the overall amount of magic needed to balance on the planet itself is reduced?

    This doesn't solve the question, maybe the magic will continue to build on it's own accord or return back to Tyria much more slowly and thus threaten the balance again, but it's not a sudden happening.

    It's less a solution in this case and more a stay of execution - Gives people time to figure out another solution or return Aurene or find another replacement.

    Incidently, that's what I believe the Gods can be used for as a narrative force - As a stay of execution to give Tyria time to find a solution and/or breathing space. I'm not expecting them to have the solution and solve everything as I agree that is poor storytelling, but they can certainly give the characters time that they're continually short of to come up with that solution. That's a rather... Godly/Parental thing to do, in my mind.

  • Beautiful story. I don't think they could have done that much better. Kudos to Anet and here's to hoping the others are of this quality.

    @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Anet outright stated that the gods' story is not finished when asked questions about Balthazar not cursing Lyssa.

    They fully intend for the gods to return at some point, in some form, and a story focused on the Mists is the most likely time for such to occur. That's likely why people think they'll make some sort of appearance.

    I have a theory jumping around in my head that with the introduction of Zafirah, we may be building up to meeting the new unknown god of war that replaced Balthazar. That she ends up being what Desmina is to Grenth and repurposing the Zaishen.

    And in general the beginnings of the human gods' plan to fix and/or relocate the population of Tyria with the inclusion of all the races that are willing in a grand divine reconciliation deal that finally unites all the races.

  • ThatOddOne.4387ThatOddOne.4387 Member ✭✭✭
    edited January 31, 2019

    Starting to hope the new God of War is a resurrected Rurik, to be honest.

    Which could tie in very nicely with Sohothin and Ruinbringer being continued players in the story, and help tie into a Charr-focused expansion. Bangar hates humans and suddenly the last prince of Ascalon is now returned as a God of War, the previous one of which encouraged humanity to kick the charr out of Ascalon in the first place. Kralkatorrik will be theoretically gone so the danger of the Brand is reduced and that was one of the reasons for the High Legions seeking peace with the humans.

    Cue Bangar using this as justification for renewing the war with humanity, and of course Rytlock will lead Blood Legion loyal to him against Bangar whilst the Iron and Ash Legions elect to keep their treaty with Ebonhawke/humanity. Perfect breeding ground for a more grounded expansion story.

    Wild theory but hey, I can dream.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Tom Abernathy II.5241 said:

    @Dark Red Killian.3946 said:
    Great story! Love reading about the lore. It got me thinking though when he mentioned Kralk going off to the mists and if we beat him all of Tyria will be gone. What happens if Kralk is beaten in the Mists? What happens then??

    This is EXACTLY the salient question.

    As Konig stated, our actions in PoF addressed this. It doesnt matter where he is killed, as long the magic is kept on Tyria. Otherwise stopping Balthazar wouldnt have been a thing. It may not blow Tyria up or whatever consequence, but a lack of magic would logically cause a longer term degredation to the World

    What sleep is here? What dreams there are in the unctuous coiling of the snakes mortal shuffling. weapon in my hand. My hand the arcing deathblow at the end of all things. The horror. The horror. I embrace it. . .

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Other than once again removing my agency to decide how my character feels it's much better reading than I expected.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

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