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  • Goettel.4389Goettel.4389 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019
  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    oof (body limit)

  • mortrialus.3062mortrialus.3062 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Stuff like the mount adoption licences and themed mount packs are going to inherently have diminishing returns among most players. I mean really, how many dozens of mount skins can one person need even if they want all their mounts to perfectly match their character's fashion?

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  • Abelisk.4527Abelisk.4527 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019

    HoT brought Raids, PoF didn't being any unique game mode.

    I was hoping for a 100-stage, repeatable, progress-savable, partyable Pyramid Gauntlet that offered unique rewards, enemy and boss battles, mechanics, and fun. Maybe even have optional stages or enemies that are on a timer or not on a timer, that have OP stats such as super high Armor, or Attack etc. Maybe even have RNG effects (similar to Fractal effects) that activate versus enemies.

    Gauntlets would work well because you don't need to hit stage 100 to get rewards, you can hit certain special floors that allow you to save your progress and leave. Similar to Raiding there is a weekly reward bonus that gets reset weekly.

    Lower entry level compared to Raiding (floors 1-30 are pretty easy, they get complex as you go on.) while potentially having a higher skill cap with enemies within the 90-100 floors.

  • Puma.3645Puma.3645 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019

    seems like it went down. i dont doubt it because pof was so boring and didnt really invite anyone to spend money besides silly mount skins:(

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019

    @BlueJin.4127 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Stuff like the mount adoption licences and themed mount packs are going to inherently have diminishing returns among most players. I mean really, how many dozens of mount skins can one person need even if they want all their mounts to perfectly match their character's fashion?

    For me, personally, the fact that I can't save templates of my mounts prevents me from buying multiple mount skins. I have different dyes for all my characters' mounts and I'm not going to save dozens of screenshots for my mount set ups. And since there's no way I'm going to remember my dye set ups, I'm afraid to change my mounts, hence, no reason to have more than 1 mount skin.

    I have mount skins (via Gold to Gems) that after a while I just stopped using because even on an 8-core machine with a great video card and 16 MB of RAM, it just takes longer to load than the default skins for not really any better appearance.

    @Abelisk.4527 said:
    HoT brought Raids, PoF didn't being any unique game mode.

    I was hoping for a 100-stage, repeatable, progress-savable, partyable Pyramid Gauntlet that offered unique rewards, enemy and boss battles, mechanics, and fun. Maybe even have optional stages or enemies that are on a timer or not on a timer, that have OP stats such as super high Armor, or Attack etc. Maybe even have RNG effects (similar to Fractal effects) that activate versus enemies.

    Gauntlets would work well because you don't need to hit stage 100 to get rewards, you can hit certain special floors that allow you to save your progress and leave. Similar to Raiding there is a weekly reward bonus that gets reset weekly.

    Lower entry level compared to Raiding (floors 1-30 are pretty easy, they get complex as you go on.) while potentially having a higher skill cap with enemies within the 90-100 floors.

    Fractals. You mean Fractals. That they are killing with kitten instabilities.

    They killing WvW and PvP, PvE content is getting further and further apart, and rather than re-using some maps they keep making new ones that have YET ANOTHER KITTEN CURRENCY and a stale meta.

    Having more fun with other games, or card games with Family (Sentinels of the Multiverse). Or even just Netflix alone with my coffee/beer (depending on time of day).

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], [RaW][TACO] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • Infusion.7149Infusion.7149 Member ✭✭✭

    It's a good reason to nerf Istan.

  • borgs.6103borgs.6103 Member ✭✭✭

    Maybe if they focused on the mode that no other mmorpg offered, put in the resources needed and the effort to it, monetize it in a way that's not predatory, they would have a stable, loyal and probably growing number of players that would spend on and play the game for a long time.

    Just maybe.

    Hi.

  • Tiviana.2650Tiviana.2650 Member ✭✭✭

    This game used to be a sub based game didnt it? What if is was $5$10 a month to play but you could get skins/ mounts in game from boss drops, clean up some ingame Qol issues, keep the gem store as a side, but allow more to be done ingame instead of being bought. Allow wardrobe and hair to be changed ingame with ingame currency like gold or badges of some type. The big stuff like gender/race change really fancy outfits sparkle ponies and fancy tools rare minis fancy wings can still be in the gem store. Gems are here as i understand it to support the game since it dropped the sub, and thats fine, but i think if the quality of ingame play was there you wouldnt need a gem store, and people would pay a sub. Not a ridiculous sub like some games, but a decent enough one that it could work. But you have to have the content ingame to support it.

  • Ben K.6238Ben K.6238 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Has it been a year already? Always makes me wonder how few people actually read these reports in their entirety.

    Numbers in billion ₩

    • 2014 85,634
    • 2015 100,526
    • 2016 76,636
    • 2017 82,824
    • 2018 80,163
    • 2019...

    • Q4 2015 37,331 Heart of Thorns

    • Q4 2016 14,870 Nothing
    • Q4 2017 34,903 Path of Fire
    • Q4 2018 15,699 Nothing
    • Q4 2019...

    Turns out 2018 hasn't been that bad of a year, not at all considering it didn't have an expansion release. And 2019 might end up being their best year yet or at least close to 2015 if they keep up sales similar to 2018 with the addition of a new expansion. Why exactly are people panicing again?

    That's far more useful than a synopsis of the four fiscal quarters following the release of the last expansion, and after checking the exchange rate you really can't complain about a studio of their size selling the better part of $100M of product a year.

    Given how their sales are clearly expansion-driven, you'd figure they'll be working on something else if they're not planning another expansion following the S4 finale. Six and a half years post-release, they will have figured out what draws players in GW2 and what doesn't.

    @Bish.8627 said:
    And above all, 2018, the worst part? Garbage gem store. It has been better since they adopted the fortnite constant offers formula, something I posted about early 2018. Loot box mounts, MASSIVELY overpriced mount skins and packs, no skin should be beyond the first gem price. Packs the second. When you place items just beyond tier 1 of gems, sometimes tier 2, that doesn't make people think "oh I will just pay more" it makes people think "get lost I am not spending that". It is a dodgy tactic more akin to EA. And one thing I think its genuinely uninspired is outfits over armour skins, this is Fashion wars 2 after all.

    Pricy skins are controversial, but they work for some reason. I can kind of see why, too.

    Prior to PoF, I'd spent close to nothing on the gem store because there just wasn't anything I wanted that couldn't be converted from gold easily enough - that accounted for a bare handful of outfits (I play Charr exclusively, so there's hardly anything that looks good) and some infinite harvesting tools.

    After PoF, I've bought quite a number of mount skins. Some of the random-rolled ones, just as a base collection for when I don't feel like something fancy, and many of the 2000 gem ones. Why? I guess I like mounts, and I don't have any expensive hobbies so I'm happy to spend a little bit on this. Plus I like ANet's artists, and their pricing for exclusive items is actually pretty reasonable when you'd pay upwards of $100 USD for exclusive things in other MMOs and RPGs I play.

    Basically, ANet is providing players that have money to burn with something to burn it on if they like. They don't expect the majority of their players to be able (or willing) to do this.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Henry.5713 said:
    And 2019 might end up being their best year yet or at least close to 2015 if they keep up sales similar to 2018 with the addition of a new expansion.

    Considering we're going to have full season 5 right after season 4, there's practically no chance we'll get an expansion in 2019. We're in february already, there's still no episode 6,. and Season 5 will take at least 18 months (probably more), so, adding some time in between s4/s5, and s5/expac, i'd say that it may not come even in 2020. So, late (very late) 2020/early 2021 at best.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Henry.5713Henry.5713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    And 2019 might end up being their best year yet or at least close to 2015 if they keep up sales similar to 2018 with the addition of a new expansion.

    Considering we're going to have full season 5 right after season 4, there's practically no chance we'll get an expansion in 2019. We're in february already, there's still no episode 6,. and Season 5 will take at least 18 months (probably more), so, adding some time in between s4/s5, and s5/expac, i'd say that it may not come even in 2020. So, late (very late) 2020/early 2021 at best.

    You might be right there. This year seems rather unlikely if you consider the renewed focus on Living Story releases. Though, I still wouldn't complete rule out an expansion release before 2021 or even before late 2020. They have surprised us in the past.

    Progress isn't made by early risers. It's made by lazy men trying to find easier ways to do something. ~ Robert Heinlein

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019

    We are back to Q2 2016 levels. PoF took longer than HoT to drop below 20k in a quarter, means PoF is more stable. The question is what happens next.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Has it been a year already? Always makes me wonder how few people actually read these reports in their entirety.

    Numbers in billion ₩

    • 2014 85,634
    • 2015 100,526
    • 2016 76,636
    • 2017 82,824
    • 2018 80,163
    • 2019...

    • Q4 2015 37,331 Heart of Thorns

    • Q4 2016 14,870 Nothing
    • Q4 2017 34,903 Path of Fire
    • Q4 2018 15,699 Nothing
    • Q4 2019...

    Turns out 2018 hasn't been that bad of a year, not at all considering it didn't have an expansion release. And 2019 might end up being their best year yet or at least close to 2015 if they keep up sales similar to 2018 with the addition of a new expansion. Why exactly are people panicing again?

    That's the other part of the cycle: one of these reports is released and people panic that it's bad news. Doesn't matter what it actually says. Even if the profits have actually gone up it's still bad news because either it means the game is now entirely about the gem store or there's no way they'll be able to maintain it and then the next quarter will look even worse.

    "Hard knocks, bad luck, been knocked down,
    You got back up, rise up, shine on, keep on fighting, the war is almost done...But then I hear you're gone.
    I feel, when the lights go down, you are still here, all you hold dear remains.
    Your star never fades."

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Has it been a year already? Always makes me wonder how few people actually read these reports in their entirety.

    Numbers in billion ₩

    • 2014 85,634
    • 2015 100,526
    • 2016 76,636
    • 2017 82,824
    • 2018 80,163
    • 2019...

    • Q4 2015 37,331 Heart of Thorns

    • Q4 2016 14,870 Nothing
    • Q4 2017 34,903 Path of Fire
    • Q4 2018 15,699 Nothing
    • Q4 2019...

    Turns out 2018 hasn't been that bad of a year, not at all considering it didn't have an expansion release. And 2019 might end up being their best year yet or at least close to 2015 if they keep up sales similar to 2018 with the addition of a new expansion. Why exactly are people panicing again?

    Its worth considering since early 2017 or so they've been doubling down on the gemstore with more updates.

    The income inst indicative of a healtier and better game which shows considering the number of ppl that have shared less than possitive outlooks on it.

    2018 was one of the worst years in terms of ingame cintent updates and yet it scored close to 2017.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019

    @Danikat.8537 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    Has it been a year already? Always makes me wonder how few people actually read these reports in their entirety.

    Numbers in billion ₩

    • 2014 85,634
    • 2015 100,526
    • 2016 76,636
    • 2017 82,824
    • 2018 80,163
    • 2019...

    • Q4 2015 37,331 Heart of Thorns

    • Q4 2016 14,870 Nothing
    • Q4 2017 34,903 Path of Fire
    • Q4 2018 15,699 Nothing
    • Q4 2019...

    Turns out 2018 hasn't been that bad of a year, not at all considering it didn't have an expansion release. And 2019 might end up being their best year yet or at least close to 2015 if they keep up sales similar to 2018 with the addition of a new expansion. Why exactly are people panicing again?

    That's the other part of the cycle: one of these reports is released and people panic that it's bad news. Doesn't matter what it actually says. Even if the profits have actually gone up it's still bad news because either it means the game is now entirely about the gem store or there's no way they'll be able to maintain it and then the next quarter will look even worse.

    Was it last q report or the one before that, which was higher than expected and ppl were actually fine, no negativity about it.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    And 2019 might end up being their best year yet or at least close to 2015 if they keep up sales similar to 2018 with the addition of a new expansion.

    Considering we're going to have full season 5 right after season 4, there's practically no chance we'll get an expansion in 2019. We're in february already, there's still no episode 6,. and Season 5 will take at least 18 months (probably more), so, adding some time in between s4/s5, and s5/expac, i'd say that it may not come even in 2020. So, late (very late) 2020/early 2021 at best.

    2021 i feel like is out of the question simply because they dont take "extra time" inbetween seasons and expansions. That was basically a big selling point of se4 and pof it self, both slotted in a lw like cadence from each other and se3 iirc.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LaGranse.8652 said:

    @Tiviana.2650 said:
    This game used to be a sub based game didnt it? What if is was $5$10 a month to play but you could get skins/ mounts in game from boss drops, clean up some ingame Qol issues, keep the gem store as a side, but allow more to be done ingame instead of being bought. Allow wardrobe and hair to be changed ingame with ingame currency like gold or badges of some type. The big stuff like gender/race change really fancy outfits sparkle ponies and fancy tools rare minis fancy wings can still be in the gem store. Gems are here as i understand it to support the game since it dropped the sub, and thats fine, but i think if the quality of ingame play was there you wouldnt need a gem store, and people would pay a sub. Not a ridiculous sub like some games, but a decent enough one that it could work. But you have to have the content ingame to support it.

    If this game goes sub I stop playing cause I cannot stand the sub model. I want to buy a game and then play it when I want, not make sure I got a sub running so I can play it.

    That why optional subs are also a thing.

  • Hesacon.8735Hesacon.8735 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Henry.5713 said:
    And 2019 might end up being their best year yet or at least close to 2015 if they keep up sales similar to 2018 with the addition of a new expansion.

    Considering we're going to have full season 5 right after season 4, there's practically no chance we'll get an expansion in 2019. We're in february already, there's still no episode 6,. and Season 5 will take at least 18 months (probably more), so, adding some time in between s4/s5, and s5/expac, i'd say that it may not come even in 2020. So, late (very late) 2020/early 2021 at best.

    It depends on what LW5 looks like. LW4 looks like LW3, but nothing looks like LW1 or LW2. It's possible they change the formula.

  • Jski.6180Jski.6180 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I do not get it like every update needs to be painful and ends up making ppl quit each time. The "black magic" that anet talked about as means of adding in something a bit painful to add more content is something they do every time now.

    See ELE forms and you will get my views.

  • Aza.2105Aza.2105 Member ✭✭✭

    Numbers would soar through the roof if they dropped a Cantha xpac.

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019

    @Aza.2105 said:
    Numbers would soar through the roof if they dropped a Cantha xpac.

    ' Fool Me Once, Your Loss. End Of Story '

    Too Late!, Cantha won't save the game

  • Aza.2105Aza.2105 Member ✭✭✭

    @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @Aza.2105 said:
    Numbers would soar through the roof if they dropped a Cantha xpac.

    ' Fool Me Once, Your Loss. End Of Story '

    Too Late!, Cantha won't save the game

    But the game isn't dying.

  • cptaylor.2670cptaylor.2670 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I haven’t been spending anything lately. Maybe small stuff with gold conversion. But there hasn’t really been anything extremely enticing in the gemstone and the one thing I did want was rng loot box exalted shoulders.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 12, 2019

    ~snip~

    When I think that we are still about 2 years away from 3rd expansion (if they keep pace at 1ep/3months), I'm not too optimistic for the game.

    ~snip~

    You're assuming that a LW season has to be about 6 episodes long, there is no set number of episodes per season, it could be as short as 1 episode or as long as 8 to 10 or anything in between.

    I was on furlough for 35 days(aka not getting paid to work), don't have any discretionary money to spend right now.

    Yes...no...maybe...what do you want, can't you see I'm busy saving the world...AGAIN!

  • I rarely spend money on them now. I dont really care for cosmetic items nor do i need gold that bad. The game is truly casual and what do you expect with a model like that. If things dont get better we may have another wildstar on our hands.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @LaGranse.8652 said:

    @zealex.9410 said:

    @LaGranse.8652 said:

    @Tiviana.2650 said:
    This game used to be a sub based game didnt it? What if is was $5$10 a month to play but you could get skins/ mounts in game from boss drops, clean up some ingame Qol issues, keep the gem store as a side, but allow more to be done ingame instead of being bought. Allow wardrobe and hair to be changed ingame with ingame currency like gold or badges of some type. The big stuff like gender/race change really fancy outfits sparkle ponies and fancy tools rare minis fancy wings can still be in the gem store. Gems are here as i understand it to support the game since it dropped the sub, and thats fine, but i think if the quality of ingame play was there you wouldnt need a gem store, and people would pay a sub. Not a ridiculous sub like some games, but a decent enough one that it could work. But you have to have the content ingame to support it.

    If this game goes sub I stop playing cause I cannot stand the sub model. I want to buy a game and then play it when I want, not make sure I got a sub running so I can play it.

    That why optional subs are also a thing.

    An optional sub was not in your message, although I would stop playing then too cause some things would be locked behind an optional sub.

    In the gemstore today if you buy something it is yours forever, with a sub it is gone in a month unless you pay for another month.

    No, not quote. Theres examples of games with such systems.

  • @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Stuff like the mount adoption licences and themed mount packs are going to inherently have diminishing returns among most players. I mean really, how many dozens of mount skins can one person need even if they want all their mounts to perfectly match their character's fashion?

    Three words: Random mount checkbox.

  • Burnfall.9573Burnfall.9573 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2019

    @Aza.2105 said:

    @Burnfall.9573 said:

    @Aza.2105 said:
    Numbers would soar through the roof if they dropped a Cantha xpac.

    ' Fool Me Once, Your Loss. End Of Story '

    Too Late!, Cantha won't save the game

    But the game isn't dying.

    'The Truth Is On The March And Nothing Will Stop It'

    'There is only one way to solve this crisis.....; and that is to get down right down to the root cause of the problems'

    Symtom.jpg

  • Kylden Ar.3724Kylden Ar.3724 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @MithranArkanere.8957 said:

    @mortrialus.3062 said:
    Stuff like the mount adoption licences and themed mount packs are going to inherently have diminishing returns among most players. I mean really, how many dozens of mount skins can one person need even if they want all their mounts to perfectly match their character's fashion?

    Three words: Random mount checkbox.

    Three words: Single Digit Frames.

    How many times we gotta tell you GRIND IS NOT CONTENT there ANet?

    Leader of Tyrian Adventure Corp [TACO], [RaW][TACO] Alliance, Kaineng.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2019

    Y'all are missing the real concern from that graph ... the sum of all of the PC game revenue barely adds up to the mobile game revenues. If a game dev company can make an order of magnitude more bux by switching platform ... they would be crazy to not do so. Admittedly, I don't know how many games are in that 'mobile' part of the graph, but that's the biggest concern to me.

    If you think balancing is only driven by performance and justified by comparisons to other classes then prepare to be educated:

    https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/balance-updates-the-heralds-near-future-and-pvp-league-season-13/

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